tv Situation Room With Wolf Blitzer CNN January 25, 2017 3:00pm-4:01pm PST
happening now, breaking news, no sanctuary. president trump signs executive action delivering campaign promises to build a wall. we get reaction from u.s. border protection chief under president obama in an exclusive interview. torture works. the president leaves the door open to bringing back the outlawed practice of waterboarding saying the u.s. must fight fire with fire in the war against terrorist. will top national security advisers shoot down the idea? in search of fraud. trump is calling for a major investigation into debunked allegations that millions of people voted illegally. the white house is defending the
president's baseless claims. and tv legend actress mary tyler moore has died. she was a pioneer for women in television all at the same time. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm wolf blitzer. you are in the situation room. >> this is cnn breaking news. >> may be ready to engage in a political fight. in a new tv interview trump says he believes outlawed methods like waterboarding absolutely work even though many dispute that. the president went on to say he will listen to what cabinet secretaries have to say. trump's first steps to overall
u.s. immigration policy. one ordering the immediate construction of trump's promise and controversial wall on the southern border. the new action does not cover the cost of the wall or repeated claim that mexico will eventually pay for it. if the president acts on campaign agenda he has created a serious new distraction and calling for a major investigation into allegations that millions of illegal votes were cast in november costing him the popular vote. this hour we may hear more from president trump on this matter as critics warn that focus on baseless claims of voter fraud are dangerous. i will talk about all of this and more. correspondents analysts suggest they are standing by.
>> the white house is pushing back on reports that there is a draft executive order floating around calling for return of harsh interrogation techniques like waterboarding that were used during george w. bush's administration. word of possible executive action outraged democrats and republicans on capitol hill. today sean spicer said the memo is not a white house document. the president was asked about waterboarding during an interview with abc news and sounded in favor of the practice which is against the law. here is what he had to say. >> i have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence and i asked them the question, does it work? does torture work? and the answer was yes, absolutely. >> you are now the president. do you want waterboarding? >> i don't want people to chop off the citizens or anybody's
heads in the middle east because they are christian or muslim or anything else. i don't want -- now they chop them off and put them on camera and send them all over the world. so we have that and we are not allowed to do anything. we are not playing on an even field. i will say this. i will rely on pompeo and my group. if they don't want to do it that's fine. if they do want to do then i will work towards that end. i want to do everything within the bounds of what you are allowed to do legally. do i feel it works? absolutely. >> arizona senator and former pow john mccain is one of several lawmakers vowing to block the president if he tries to bring back waterboarding saying potus can sign whatever executive orders he likes but the law is the law. you heard the president tell abc he would listen to his cabinet
when it came to harsh interrogation techniques. his defense secretary does not believe those methods work and mike pompeo said he would not follow orders for torture. it is a violation of international law. >> jim acosta, thanks very much. now to the president's new call for a major voter fraud investigation. unrelenting focus on baseless allegations raising many questions tonight. let's bring in pamela brown. any sense on how this major investigation will unfold? >> we are still waiting on word from the white house. president trump called for widespread voter fraud investigation. it is anyone's guess about who would be in charge. officials i have spoken to at the department of justice which typically investigates say an investigation like this would be
unprecedented. >> remember i told you it is a rigged system. it's terrible. not rigged for us. believe me. >> today president trump announcing without proof he wants a quote major investigation into voter fraud pleading focus on those registered to vote in two states, those who are illegal and those registered to vote who are dead. the call comes on the heels of his repeated and unfounded claim that 3 to 5 million people voted illegally in the election. trump lost popular vote to hillary clinton by nearly 3 million votes. today the white house said the probe will go beyond the 2016 election. >> we have to understand where the problem exists, how deep it goes and then suggest remedies to it. >> reporter: who would be in charge of the investigation remains a mystery. department of justice officials who would normally handle these allegations say there is no
predication such as specific credible allegation of voter fraud to launch an investigation. >> there is no evidence that people voted unlawfully in the november election, certainly not by the millions. >> reporter: trump's own legal team has argued that no voter fraud occurred in the general election. white house counsel wrote in a legal brief all available evidence suggests the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud in response to an effort to block recount in michigan by jill stein. the white house saying that was true only of the states where results were close. >> there is a lot of states we didn't compete in where that is not the case. california and new york i'm not sure those statements, we didn't look at those states in particular. >> reporter: republicans including donald trump point to a research study from 2012 that says one in every eight voter registrations are no longer valid. and deceased individuals are
listed as voters. the study does not say there is widespread fraud. >> people are voting on the roles of two different states, sometimes in three different states. >> reporter: two members of the president's team, treasury secretary nominee steve mnuchin and steve bannen were registered on election day. ohio secretary of state told cnn voter fraud in his state is rare. >> we do an investigation of voter fraud. we found less than 1,000 cases of voter irregularity. >> reporter: [ inaudible ] noting that president trump could appoint a special investigator or ask congress to use its powers to look into the issue. >> see what he decides to do. pamela brown reporting.
let's talk about this and more. a key republican senator is a member of the intelligence and foreign relations committees. thanks for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> do you believe, senator, that 3 to 5 million people voted -- >> over the last couple of days things have been happening in a dizzying speed in government and washington, d.c. the national media has been spinning around on both number of people at the inauguration and on this voter fraud thing. i can tell you that is not high on our list. we are meeting right now and mapping a path forward on obama care and tax reform and immigration reform. these things are not on our radar right now. it's not being discussed.
>> let me interrupt for a moment. i totally agree. there are a lot more important issues. president trump is the one who keeps bringing these issues up. how many people have showed up at the inauguration and now allegations of voter fraud, 3 to 5 million illegal votes cast and why he didn't in the popular vote against hillary clinton. do you agree with him that 3 to 5 million illegal votes were cast? >> no. i don't agree with him. i think far be it for me to give advice to the national media. national media will have to start sorting through this and determine what they want to spend time on and what they don't. we are doing that on capitol hill. we are sorting through this and governing and moving forward with governing. we have our sights set on what we think are important issues of the american people. >> the president himself keeps talking about these issues. we are reporting what -- he announced today a major
investigation into voter fraud. he just spoke at length about it in this new interview with abc news. do you want the news media to ignore that the president of the united states is alleging it? >> like i said, far be it for me to give advice to you guys. we have a different view of what is important and what isn't. and what we are facing. i sat 25 feet from barack obama saying if you like your policy you can keep it, didn't get a blip anywhere. every time this president says something everybody is all over it. look, this is a different president than ever before, probably different than we are going to see again. we've got our sights set on governing. we are going to take up important things. the media will have to sort through what they want to focus on. in the last five days there have been some dizzying actions by the president-elect on the
executive orders that he signed, the conversations he has had with other leaders. just keeping up with that from our standpoint -- >> i totally agree if the president would not have raised these marginal issues we would be talking a lot more about that dizzying speed of all of these other executive orders and actions he has signed. we are talking about those, as well. i will move on. one quick question. do you agree with president trump that the government, the federal government now needs to engage in a major investigation into voter fraud? >> you know, if the government does that it will be the second branch of government that does that. it will not be the first branch of government. i'm with my colleagues all day long in meetings in and out and it is not being discussed here. that is up to him. he is head of second branch of government. second branch of government does investigations and prosecutions. he is in charge of it. you guys can deal with it. we are going to focus on the
legislative matters. >> what is more important from your perspective, senator, and you are well plugged in, investigation into massive voter fraud or investigating russia's interference in the 2016 election? >> well, obviously, i would take the latter way before the former. certainly there is clear evidence that russia did some things that i haven't seen evidence on the other. i definitely would agree with you that the former is more important -- the latter -- investigations -- >> obviously i totally agree with you on that, as well. you heard president trump's latest comment that torture works. he said that in the abc news interview. do you agree with him that waterboarding should be brought back? >> no. wolf, we had a lengthy argument about this.
and debate about this years ago. the law has been passed. the law of the land in america is you can't torture. this is really an academic discussion at this time because he can't do it. he can't issue an order to do it. he is not going to get anybody to do it. nobody is going to go to prison over this. america has said we are not going to torture and we pass the law that says you can't. set that aside and move to other stuff. he can say what he wants but it is not going to happen. >> let's move to other stuff. sean spicer wouldn't flatly rule out the possibility of working with the syrian president bashar al assad as far as syria is concerned. congress woman who trump met with when considering people for administration spoke to jake tapper about her meeting with president assad. do you believe this is the right direction for american foreign policy? >> well, first of all, we need a
comprehensive policy there. as you know i'm number two on foreign relations committee and intelligence committee. if you said describe for me our policy in syria and iraq i couldn't do it. i can tell you there are in-depth discussions going on constructing that policy. we need to get that done before we start weighing in conversations. we need todetermine a policyas to what we are going to do and how we are going to do it and the effort we make in that part. >> thanks so much for joining us. >> glad to be here. >> we are learning more about president trump's new actions on illegal immigration. i will have an exclusive interview. very skeptical that the president's border wall will work. stay with us. [vo] quickbooks introduces jeanette.
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immigration enforcement and the start of building of a wall on the border within months president trump says one way or another mexico will pay for it. >> president trump takes the first step on one of his first campaign promises to build the wall. >> beginning today the united states of america gets back control of its borders, gets back its borders. >> now with executive action he directs the department of homeland security to start building it immediately along the 1,900 mile long border with mexico using existing federal money to get it started. >> the secretary of homeland security working with myself and my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. >> reporter: president trump tells abc news he is standing by his campaign pledge to make mexico pay for it.
>> will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it will come out of what is happening with mexico. we will be starting those negotiations relatively soon and will be in a form reimbursed by mexico. >> so they will pay us back? >> absolutely. >> when does construction begin? >> as soon as we can physically do it? >> within months? >> i would say in months. it's not clear where the existing money would come from to pay for the wall and congress would need to approve new funding to build it. trump has estimated the cost around $10 billion. today's move also means beefing up manpower on the border. 5,000 additional protection officers. and in a second executive action the president is increasing deportations of undocumented immigrants, tripling resources for enforcement and holding funding from sanctuary cities
when local municipalities refused to turn over undocumented immigrants to federal authorities. >> we are going to get the bad ones out and gangs and gang members and cartel leaders. the day is over where they can stay in our country and wreak havoc. >> reporter: it all happens on the same day a high level mexican delegation is here in washington meeting with trump's top advisers, the first official meeting with the foreign government after the white house unveiled its america first policy. and one day after the mexican foreign minister railed against a border wall and mexico's potential price tag. >> translator: rerecognize that the united states has the right to build a wall even though we don't like it. it is another thing to try to get a neighboring country to pay for the construction. we have said many times that that is unacceptable. >> reporter: when you look at the priorities for deportation under the obama administration focussed on people convicted of felonies, gang members, people
who committed a string of crimes. under the new rules you see people convicted of any crime, people just charged with a crime and in some cases people who have not been charged with any crime but suspected of being a threat. not committing crimes necessarily, suspected but still priorities for deportation. >> thanks very much. let's talk more about all of this with president trump's border wall and other issues. gill is joining us. he served as commissioner under president obama and served in republican administrations, as well. commissioner, thanks for joining us. let's talk about executive action. building this wall, is that a good idea? >> no. it's not a good idea. we have 600 miles of fencing. we have more technology and more boots on the ground and frankly immigration is so different
today it's not a border security issue it is a border management issue. people are turning themselves in to the border patrol or at our ports of entry. they are not fleeing and eluding us. >> what are you saying? it is a waste of money to build a wall along the 2,000 miles where there is no fencing? >> i think you can put additional infrastructure in place. there are probably some improvements that can be made, but when we think of unmanned aircraft, 21,000 border patrol agents, 18,000 of whom are on the southwest border, we have a lot going on and we have low crime rates along that entire southwest border. >> people say those fences are not really all that good. people can climb over them fairly quickly. >> i think even the current secretary of homeland security mentioned that in his testimony that unless you have someone watching a particular fence or a particular wall -- that is the
real expense because it costs a lot more for people than it does for construction. >> you were the u.s. commissioner for customs and border protection until the other day. did they reach out to you, the trump people to get your expertise to consult with you on this? >> i didn't have meetings with them and certainly i left office at 12:01 last friday. i'm the only person who has been confirmed as the customs and border protection commissioner in the obama administration. i spent three years, the first week i was in office in the summer of 2014 i was in texas looking at somewhere close to 68,000 unaccompanied children. >> what about the other actions he announced today in addition to building the wall, fortifying barriers, hiring more customs and border protection employees and cutting down on illegal
immigration. >> we have 60,000 either at ports of entry and also we have our liaisons in all of these countries. remember that the majority of people trying to get into the country on that southwest border are not from mexico. they are from the three central american or northern triangle countries. if we add additional personnel i'm sure some work could be done. remember, again, they are coming to us, turning themselves in, not running, not alluding. they are asking for a hearing. they are making some type of claim. >> these people are crossing the border into the united states from mexico and coming from third countries, many of them. instead of just trying to get up to oklahoma or chicago or cleveland, they are immediately going to local law enforcement and saying arrest us? >> not only do they go to the agents in the green uniform because they know that those agents are going to protect them. the places that they just came
from in those central american countries or through that trip in mexico they can be pretty dangerous. they look to them for assistants. they can make their lawful claims or some type of protection under credible fear, under some type of asylum claim. >> you would often just deport these people right away. >> we can't actually deport those people right away. you have to go through repatriotuation process. people from mexico because it is continuous, they can be going through something called expedited removal. they can be returned quickly. people coming from mexico are least number in the last fiscal year 415,000. there are only 80,000 or 85,000 from mexico. the rest were from the northern triangle. >> president trump suggested it is about as bad as ever the illegal immigration coming into the united states and crime committed by so many of these
illegal undocumented immigrants. is that true? >> i was a police chief of two of the country's largest cities for almost 14 years. i can speak a little bit about that. we didn't see the crime levels from people that were here either legally or illegally at quite the level that had happened in the past. i don't think that holds when the research and the facts come out. police chief needs everybody in the city to call them, to give them information, to act as witnesses. and a police chief in those cities is responsible for protecting everyone within his or her jurisdiction. >> thanks for joining us and thanks for your service. >> thank you. just ahead a lot more breaking news we are following. president trump claims torture works. who is telling him that and how is this national skuecurity advisers responding?
with general matt is and my secretary. i am going to go with what they say. i have spoken as recently as 24 hours ago with people at the highest level of intelligence and i asked them the question, does it work? does torture work? and the answer was yes, absolutely. >> you're now the president. do you want waterboarding? >> i don't want people to chop off the citizens' or anybody's heads in the middle east because they're christian or muslim or anything else. i don't want -- now they chop them off and put them on camera and send them all over the world. so we have that and we are not allowed to do anything. we are not playing on an even field. i will say this. i will rely on pompeo and mattis and my group. if they don't want to do that is fine. if they do want to do then i
will work towards that end. i want to do everything within the bounds of what you are allowed to do legally. do i feel it works? absolutely i feel it works. >> let's dig deeper with our correspondents, analysts and commentators. you are a cia former officer. you heard president trump say torture works. >> the president has to be careful with his words. doesn't appear to know that torture is a violation of statute. if you want to know if people talk under duress, the answer is they do. i have witnessed that information. people will give you information when they feel there is no way out. i don't think that is the right question. we are in a position today whether crow want to believe it or not it is fundamentally different than where we were in 2002. we didn't understand the adversary then and didn't know if they would attack in new york or florida or california. we didn't know if they had anthrax capability. we are in a far better place
against isis today than al qaeda. my question is why would you do it given where we are today. >> how is the national security community? you have been speaking to members throughout the day responding to the president's comments. >> the national security community operates within the bounds of the law. this is against the law. it is against u.n. convention against torture. whether torture works phil has greater experience than i do but i talk to a number of people in the military through the years going to afghanistan and iraq and elsewhere and folks with far more experience than me say they doubt the information that comes out of torture. you will hear from commanders saying i wouldn't believe a word out of the mouth of someone under torture. there is the issue of what kind of information you get. they will also talk, talking about the view of deployed forces about the damage to u.s.
standing when the u.s. is associated with torture. what does it say about u.s. standards because it is a hard power fight against terrorism and a soft power fight against terrorism. you know the idea that the u.s. would use tactics that the bad guys use you can say that would be an even playing field. there is a heck of a lot of stuff that we don't do that the bad guys do doesn't mean that it justifies it. listen to what deployed military commanders say about this. >> this became a huge discussion again after osama bin laden was killed because there was a discussion about whether, in fact, that the waterboarding contributed to the fact that he lied to them and that lie led them to the courier that led to the capture of osama bin laden. the cia at that time believed very strongly that torture did
not work in that particular case. and as you all know there have been debates on capitol hill about this since 2014 over and over again and now the fact that you cannot torture is part of the field manual. so this is something litigated, discussed for a very long time. and i think the final thought here is that this will only recruit our adversaries which is where the cia came down in the last administration. >> i think we are also learning about president trump here. we just heard from him during the transition that he met with general mattis and explained he can get a lot more information with a pack of cigarettes than torture. then donald trump said i agree. now he is president for five days and he says he met with somebody in the last 24 hours and they said torture works.
if they want to go torture we will figure out a way to do that. he doesn't seem rooted in any firm ideology on this of his own. he seems very persuaded. >> his defense secretary, the new cia director doesn't necessarily thinks it works. who is telling the president, you covered him throughout the campaign, you know that team. who is telling him it works, go ahead and support waterboarding. other forms of what is called enhanced interrogation. >> you have to remember not only is he talking to these people that he stocked the room with, he is also reading things that people print out for him on the internet. he will talk to people that we have no idea he is talking to throughout the day because he is constantly on the phone making calls. when he is wrestling over any kind of decision he will ask
people. he will ask guests and staffers to put in their opinion. he is so swayed at times by the last person he talks to. he likes to get a variety of different opinions. this makes the challenge as advisers very difficult because it means you can make a compelling case to donald trump and you can leave the room thinking he agrees with you. . >> calls for a major investigation of what he claims is wide scale voter fraud could it lead to voter suppression in it's your daily retreat. go ahead, spoil yourself. the es and es hybrid. this is the pursuit of perfection.
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what is the desert? it's absolutely what you need right now. absolutely scottsdale. . there is more breaking news out tonight. senior administration official tells jim acosta president trump could sign an executive order or presidential memorandum as early as tomorrow initiating a formal major investigation into voter fraud. the president today called for this major investigation. let's get more with our experts. no evidence of major voter fraud of 3 to 5 million people voting illegally. what is the investigation going to entail? >> it is very hard to say.
he could call for a blue ribbon panel. he could -- we just learned tonight that jason chaefetz has said he has no intention of going through this kind of investigation. so the president can sign whatever he wants. it's going to be costly and most people in his own party think it is foolish for him to do it. i think the mechanics of it at this point are uncertain. >> you know the concern among many democrats especially is that this kind of investigation could lead to voter suppression and make it more difficult for people, legitimate american citizens to vote, voter id issues. >> a lot of democrats are concerned that the very franchise of voting is at risk here and that they see this as part of the panel over seven years that they believe
republicans try to limit access to voting. i think you will see this is a real animated issue for democrats. you watch as democratic national committee goes through its race as they find their party leaders. this is going to be just like what we saw in the last with democrats this voting rights issue will be animating issue. >> we just found out from jim acosta that the president has concluded his supreme court interviews. he will announce his nominee to become the next supreme court justice next thursday. >> that is correct. we know he has been looking at these four finalists and there is a great story on cnn.com that digs deeper into the back grounds. this will be an interesting test for donald trump because a lot of what we have seen him do is executive action and authority and get through what he wants to get through. we have seen his picks for these various cabinet positions.
you have a republican majority in both houses. this is going to be a different scenario. donald trump is going to have to pick a supreme court justice that can make it through the senate, that can survive a filibuster. this i think will be telling to republicans and democrats about where his head is on social issues. >> we will put the four finalists on the screen. the supreme court nominee will require, will need 60 votes as opposed to 51 for cabinet. >> and chuck schumer, the leader of the democrats has already said that he doesn't intend to let anybody through. in other words, he will do to the republicans what the republicans republican did to barack obama. >> won't let anybody in who's mainstream. >> they will not let occur what happened last time. >> the ten democratic senators up for election in the red
states, the states donald trump won, because that is where the white house will be focusing their entire energy to get there. >> can i say something about this new executive order? >> we're showing what we believe to be the four finalists for the u.s. supreme court. >> which could come tomorrow. in terms of what we're learning about the new president, we're also learning something about him from this, which is that he doubles down. when he's backed up against the wall and everybody is saying, you know, this is a mistake, this is a mistake, guess what, he orders -- he's going to sign an executive order because he's going to say to everybody, this is what i believe. >> it may be donald trump's washington that daniel patrick moynihan was wrong, that you are entitled to your own facts, not just your opinions, because in the first five days we've seen this. there is no fact to back up this voter fraud. listen to the republicans, what jason said, the idea that the media created the feud with the intelligence community, the cia on saturday, you know, these are not factual statements or
positions but perhaps in trump's washington, these lines will still be -- >> let me let phil button this up for us. go ahead. >> let's be clear, this is why people like me who aren't political analysts can't stand republicans or democrats. the president of the united states, president obama, had an opportunity which every president has to nominate a supreme court justice and the republicans said no. now the two kids will kick sand in each other's face where is the republicans say we want to nominate somebody and the democrats will say we say no. people like me who don't do politics, get them all out. we've had it with this stuff. >> nice button-up from phil mudd. stand by. the new first family shares life behind scenes at the white house on instagram. and remembering pioneering actress mary tyler moore. rodney and his new business.
the new first family is offering a remarkably candid look at life in the white house online. cnn's sara ganim is here with details. we know president trump is an avid user of social media. so are his kids. >> you could probably call them the first family of instagram. it turns out trump's kids, like their father, enjoy being candid on social media and we're benefitting from it with a glimpse into the white house like you've never seen before. from the rooftop terrace to the basement bowling alley, since arriving in d.c., the new first family isn't just changing the rules of washington. it's pulling back the curtain on the white house. on instagram, this rarely seen view, tiffany and eric trump
standing on the white house roof. ivanka trump on inauguration day with husband and presidential adviser jared kushner and their children in a presidential limo, kids in car seats and all. experts say it's not surprising the trumps are no strangers to social media or reality tv. >> eric, am i right or wrong? >> you're right. >> see? good son. >> reporter: but their posts are providing a public backstage pass to the presidency that's rarely been seen from inaugural balls to breakfast in the state dining room. >> i am surprised how open they're being. >> reporter: kate anderson brower has written books about first families and their time in the white house. >> most of the photos we've seen from previous administrations are taken by professional white house photographers, very choreographed. they're giving you a glimpse of what life is like in the white house, in a way making it accessible to people. >> reporter: the white house has been photographed for ages from the reagans to jackie kennedy's
televised tour of the residence she helped redecorate. during the obama administration, the solarium on the white house roof was photographed for "architectural digest," but this week, america got this more candid view, eric trump's wife, lara, posting a playful look at one of the president's grandchildren exploring the new digs. that's an upside down donald j. trump iii. the caption -- when aunts and up kls attack. and in the white house bowling alley, that's video of donald jr.'s wife, vanessa, in heels. >> in a way it humanizes the family like we've never seen before, taking candid shots of their kids being kids and having breakfast in the teenage mutant ninja turtle outfit, things like that that are cute and endearing. i wonder if it's part of a strategy to make them likable. >> reporter: it's not clear if the online access the part of a larger media strategy from a president who likes to deliver
his message unvarnished on twitter or just the results of a first family living in an instagram age. either way, the trumps are providing america a new look at an old institution. you can't help but smile when you see some of these photos. maybe that's the point, to make the president and his family see more relatable, a lit bitetto less like politicians. kids in pajamas, horsing around, bowling in heels. those are the kinds of pictures everybody posts, right? they're doing it with their own cameras posting to their own accounts, no official white house photographers or accounts. it's an interesting look inside of their lives. >> great report, sara. thanks very much. finally tonight, the actress mary tyler moore has died at the age of 80. a career spanning six decades she won seven emmy award, four of them for her portrayal of one of tv's first career women, mary richards on "the mary tyler
moore show." ♪ who can turn the world on with her smile ♪ >> she also won emmys for the v "the dick van dyke show." they was amazing. we will miss her. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett out front" starts right now. up next, breaking news, president trump speaking out in his first television interview tonight calling for a major investigation into bogus claims of voter fraud. why? and the president says torture works. why is he defying many experts and international law? plus our special series live from the u.s./mexico border. tonight a look at how people are getting into the u.s. illegally and the american citizens determined to stop them. let's go "out front."