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good evening. i'm erin burnett. "out front" tonight, breaking news, president donald trump signing an executive order launching an investigation into voter fraud as early as tomorrow. this is according to a senior administration official. it comes as trump is speaking out tonight, doubling down moments ago in an interview with abc news on his false claim of massi massive voter fraud. >> it's been called false. >> look at the pew reports. >> i called the author last night and he said there was no evidence -- >> then why did he write the report? >> he said no evidence of voter fraud. >> why did he write the report? he's groveling again. i talk about the reporters that grovel when they want to write something that you want to hear but not necessarily millions of people want to hear or have to hear. >> you've launched an investigation. >> we will to find out. and i will say this, of those votes cast, none of them come to me. thun of them come to me. they would all be for the other
side. none of them come to me. but when you look at the people that are registered, dead, illegal, and two states and some cases maybe three states, we have a lot to look into. >> it's not illegal to be registered in more than one state, obviously you're not allowed to vote in more than one state, though. cnn has learned trump's pick for treasury secretary, steven ste authorized to vote in two states. there was no evidence of voter fraud even if you have deed people on the voter rolls. they're not actually voting. jim acosta, what are you learning about this executive order? he could sign it as early as the morning. >> reporter: president trump could take executive action, could be an executive order, could be a memorandum as soon as tomorrow to launch a federal investigation into these claims of voter fraud that have not been proven.
the investigation would be handled by the department of justice perhaps with the department of homeland security, but it's a sign the president is looking into baseless claims that millions voted illegally in the election. on the same day as announcing a new wall on the border, president trump took time out to call for a federal investigation into a problem election experts maintain doesn't exist. widespread voter fraud. >> when you look at the people that are registered, dead, illegal, and two states, some cases maybe three states, we have a lot to look into. >> he tweet heesd asking for a major investigation into voting irregularities he claims cost him the popular vote. a probe the white house suggests could target nation's biggest states. he insisted to abc news millions of votes could be at stake. >> you have people that are registered who are dead, who are illegals, who are in two states. you have people registered in two states. they're registered in a new york and in new jersey. they vote twice.
there are millions of votes in my opinion. >> reporter: but in fact election records indicate two members of mr. trump's own team, steve bannon and treasury secretary nominee steven mnuchin, were registered in more than one state on election day. white house press secretary sean spicer says the probe will not focus solely on the 2016 election. >> there's a lot of states that we didn't compete in where that's not necessarily the case. look at california and new york. >> back in december, the president's legal team argued that voter fraud did not affect the final results of the election and their attempts to block recount efforts by green party candidate jill stein. white house counsel don mcgahn wrote an illegal brief at the time, all available evidence suggesting the 2016 election was not tainted by fraud. >> it exists. it's rare. >> reporter: ohio's republican secretary of state says he wishes the president would take a more constructive view of the discussi discussion. >> over the coming days, bear the responsibility of sharing exactly where their concerns are, providing evidence of that. >> reporter: while top democrats express alarm. >> i frankly feel very sad about
the president making this claim. i felt sorry for him. i even prayed for him. but then i prayed for the united states of america. >> reporter: we're also learning the president is finished with interviewing candidates for the supreme court. those out there are the top contenders. no surprises according to our sources at the white house. >> thank you. "out front," alex padilla, a democrat. let me ask you, donald trump is looking at the registration rolls now, specifically in states that clinton won. the press secretary sean spicer specifically mentioned california. here's the final numbers from your state as we have them. clinton won california by 4.3 million votes. are you 100% sure nothing would change if trump investigated california? >> good evening, erin. and, no, we're pretty sure nothing's going to change. we have measures in place in california, not just to maintain the integrity of our voter rolls
but how we administer elections as well, whether it's the machines that we're using to mark ballots, cast ballots, count ballots on election day. they're not connected to the internet. no way to have them systematically rigged or hacked. but even the accuracy of the results, there's a random percentage manual tally that's required for each and every county in california to make sure that a hand count matches up with the machine count to ensure the accuracy of the election. nothing's going to change. i think the call for an investigation of some sort, we've had yet to see the details. based on allegations that are not based on evidence or proof or any fact should be cause for concern. >> now, one of the things you just heard trump say he wants to look at is people who are registered twice. as we mentioned his treasury secretary nominee steven mnuchin is registered in new york and of course in your state, california. is this a legitimate issue in your view? >> i think does it happen?
of course, we have two examples from the president's own cabinet and staff here. but it is very, very limited. should it be cleaned up? absolutely. but there's an important distipgs here. if somebody is registered in more than one state versus somebody casting ballots in more more than one state. so when the president says millions of illegal ballots cast, millions of illegal votes, that's simply not the case. my larger concern for the longer term is are they setting the stage for changes in policy or changes in law that will go backward on voting rights. we've seen it happen in a number of other states. the purging of voter rolls, elimination of early voting opportunities, voter i.d. laws that are frankly discriminatory. that's been tested in the states. i hope that's not a sipe of things to come at a federal level. >> before we go, secretary, when you look at that 4.3 million vote margin, what would be your guess if you went and recounted
the votes on how many would change due to, you know, someone intentionally doing something wrong? is it zero? it 20? is it 1,000? do you have any sense of what that would be? >> it's frankly minuscule. and it's not just a wild guess here. you know, we have had a request for recounts in recent years whether it's a very closely contested congressional race or a state legislative race or maybe local city council or mayor's race. and whenever we get to that recount and going through the very thorough protocols, a couple, a handful, single-digit difference, maybe. >> single digits. >> so it won't make a dent in that sigmar gin that president trump lost by in california. but that's secondary. >> all right. secretary padilla, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. "out front" now, the director of the voting rights and election project at the nyu school of law, an expert. dana bash and mark preston. mira, let me start with you.
he wants to investigate the voter rolls in states he lost. secretary padilla doesn't think it will change it, maybe a handful of votes. in this pew study which everybody is citing, one thing it says is 1.8 million dead people registered to vote, people registered in multiple states. how big a mess are the voter rolls? >> there's no dispute our voter rolls need to be cleaned up. this is something the brennan center has been talking about for a decade. people die every day, move every day, change their name because they got married or other reasons. i think the important thing to remember is we need to give resources to election administrators in order to be able to correct for these life changes. if we are interested in making a difference, we need reforms like universal automatic voefter registration. >> you're acknowledging the point, which is important. when there's 1.8 million dead
people on the rolls, that's a problem. anyone looking at this subjectively would say that should change. that's not the same thing as saying people are posing as dead people and coming in and voting. >> it's not new. the part i'm concerned about is this conflation of the system is being rigged to now we have all these undocumented people voting to our voter rolls are being messed up. if we're actually looking to make sure that we have the best democracy in the world, that means we need to invest in the kind of reforms that will give us the best democracy in the world. >> when trump says fraud, people voting twice in two different states, that you don't see evidence happening. those registered in new york and new jersey, they're not going to two states in one day to vote. >> extraordinarily rare. the penalties are high. it is an incredibly inefficient way to steal an election. there's no common rational actor that will feel like they will be able to accomplish something like that in a meaningful way. what i worry about is this conversation is a distraction against the kind of reforms we
actually do need. we need to make sure voters have free, fair, and accessible elections, make sure that everybody that is eligible to be registered gets on the rolls, make sure that people have access to vote on election day. >> so dana, george w. bush also investigated voter fraud. it was a five-year process at one point. "the new york times" at the end of five years said 120 people were charged with election-related crimes. hundreds of millions of votes, 120 people charged, i think 86 convicted. if this is the outcome for donald trump, does he win or lose? >> well, i think the country wins by seeing that voter fraud is not the way that donald trump says he fears it is. but certainly for donald trump personally and politically, it would certainly be a lot of egg on his face. but i think the bigger question, assuming that the president does ask for and pushes for the
justice department to investigate this is how that's even going to work because -- i was just talking to somebody reminding me that jason chey fitz in charge of the house oversight committee to make sure the executive branch is not doing anything wrong, if it were a democratic president saying i'm going to use my justice department to investigate broadly whether there was voter fraud without any evidence, to spend taxpayer money on it without any evidence that would presume that the justice department can actually prosecute, then the oversight committee would be going bananas. understandably and rightly so. but today jason said it's not my purview, it's up to the administration. it's a big question how and who is going to do this investigation that the president says he wants. >> mark, i have a tape to show you. this is billy bush and donald trump on "access hollywood." before your jaw drops, it is not
that tape. oi found another tape. this is donald trump taking billy bush to vote with him in 2004. trump goes to three polling places trying to find the right spot, finally fills out an absentee ballot. play the clip. >> where are we going? >> there's no line at all here. >> do i have to go to a different place? >> hello, gorgeous. how are you? >> hello, how are you. >> nice seeing you. >> how you doing? make sure there's no cheating here, right? >> he's not in my book either. >> hi, fellas. how are you? do you have my name here? >> his name is not on these rolls. there will be a huge combustion in here. >> i'm going to fill out the absentee ballot. and i just voted. at least you can say the trumpster doesn't give up,
right? you've got to vote. >> mark, okay, humorous, but he couldn't even vote once, let alone twice or more as he is now accusing so many people of doing. there's a bigger issue here. >> no doubt that tape from 2004 give where we are right now has to be terribly embarrassing for donald trump although i don't know that he necessarily gets embarrassed. we talk about how he's undermining our democratic process right now. you have democratic and republican secretaries of state, experts in election law all coming to the same conclusion that the bottom line is donald trump shouldn't be safing this. it doesn't send a good message across the country let alone the world. but take it to the world stage. there's a parallel problem, i think a much bigger problem. when you see donald trump out there making this case about false facts, lies about this, if you are a foreign leader and you
are negotiating a trade deal with donald trump, if you are talking about sending troops into another country, if a congressional republican or democrat trying to get legislation done and you see donald trump being stuck in on this one issue, knowing full well that this is it is not correct, you have to wonder to yourself, can i trust donald trump? i think that's something he needs to rectify. to button it up, i spoke to a republican operative in town a few hours ago. this is somebody who's brought in, known as a fixer, and i said how do you think things are going so far? he said to me, it's a roller coaster right now. donald trump can actually get a lot of things done if he gets out of his own way. >> thank you all. next, president trump saying torture works. so is the united states about to return to waterboarding? the practice considered a war crime. and the death of mary tyler moore this afternoon. a special look at the groundbreaking career of one of america's most loved stars. and our special series continues on the mexico border. tonight we're live in arizona. this is drone footage right now
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does it work? does torture work? and if answer was yes, absolutely. i want to do everything within the bound of what you're allowed to do legally, but do i feel it works? absolutely. >> elise lavin, obviously a very significant statement. president trump opening the door on an issue that frankly had been resolved which is the fact that the u.s. as of tonight no longer water boards. >> absolutely. there was legislation passed in 2015 which limits u.s. officials to the interrogation techniques that are only allowed in the army field manual, and that bans tactics such as waterboarding when a prisoner is subjected to that kind of controlled drowning. >> we lost that shot but this would be an incredible stunning change in u.s. policy. "out front," bob baer, former cia operative and jeffrey lord, former reagan white house
political director. bob, you heard elise there as she was giving the overall headline that this is now a matter of subtle law, right? this passed. trump is saying tonight he's spoken to people at the highest level of intelligence they agree with him that waterboarding and torture work. does it? >> not according to the senate intelligence committee, it doesn't work, ineffective, in fact causes people to be more radical, groups to be more radical using it. i've seen no good case that anyone's used waterboarding since 2001 and 2002 that it saved american lives, and that's according to the documents, internal cia reports from the inspector general. and it's flatout illegal, the u.n. geneva convention. as mccain said, the law is the law and we can't do it.
>> jeffrey, bob's been on the ground, there in the field. >> which decidedly i have not. i would say, though, that as a civilian listening to rob o'neill, the man who killed osama bin laden, he ip cysts it does work and that's what enabled him to get to osama bin laden. the main issue here is that the president of the united states, the commander in chief, whoever that may be, he talks with people and gets conflicting advice. one adviser says a is the best course, another will say z. it's up to the president to make that decision. and then history will hold him accountable. so this is donald trump's moment as president, all his predecessors have had moments like this with one issue or another. he'll make his decision and we'll go from there. >> president trump spoke about why, the reason, why does he think the united states needs to torture and why it's effective. here's how he answered.
>> when they're chopping off the heads of our people and other people, chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a christian in the middle east, when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval time, would i feel strongly about water boarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. >> would waterboarding in response really get them to up the ante more against u.s. troops or spies? >> water board is effective as a tool of intimidation. the chinese used it during the inquisition. they terrified people. the egyptians use worse torture today and have intimidated their entire population. at the end of the day, is it moral? i'd say no. and do we want to go down that road of intimidating large numbers of people with torture? you don't get good information
out of it. personally i'd say no. and it's flatout illegal, waterboarding or other forms of torture. according to u.s. law, i don't get the case for it. >> how do you make that case? >> one of the things i find interesting is robert o'neill also said being water boarded is part of navy s.e.a.l. training and if human rights activists saw the way they trained navy s.e.a.l.s, they would probably want to eliminate the s.e.a.l.s. you get to this difference of opinion here and that's basically what this comes down to, and the president will have to make his decision. i'd also say that the president is what we used to call in older days a hawk, and, you know, most republicans are hawks when it comes to foreign policy and defense matters. so i'm not at all surprised that he has this particular point of view. he campaigned on it, he never shied away from it. >> we shall see.
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breaking news, president trump signing an executive order to deliver on the wall. he said again today that mexico will pay for it. >> will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it will come out of mexico. we'll be starting those negotiations soon. it will be in a form reimbursed by mexico. >> they'll pay us back. >> absolutely. >> when does construction begin? >> as soon as we can. as soon as we can physically do it. >> within months? >> i would say in months, yeah.
>> sara, obviously this is something he's been saying for a while in terms of he's going to reimburse u.s. taxpayers, mexico will. how does he initially pay for it? >> there are different options but one of the things house republicans are looking at is a supplemental spending bill dedicated to the wall entirely. i think we'll get a better sent of what president trump wants to do after he has this meeting with republicans. has not necessarily been in lock stem on a number of issues. that gets you potentially through the first part. the bigger question is how can you make mexico reimburse you for it? there was one telling part of these executive orders by druch saying we'll look at the aid we're giving to mexico, maybe slashing that in a way to get mexico to reimburse the country for at least part of the wall. >> they've been trying to come
up with ideas. as you've bp reporting he also signed an executive order today about sanctuary cities. what does that mean? >> this is something he talked about over and over again on the campaign trail. essentially he wants to strip sanctuary cities of their federal funding. we are talking about major cities here. these aren't little ho hum cities only getting small chunks of change from the federal government. we're already seeing backlash. we saw the attorney general in new york saying that they would fight this and they don't believe that donald trump has the authority to make a move like this through an executive action. this could be a huge blow to the budgets of major cities. you can bet this is the kind of thing that's going to be tested in court if not by new york than by any number of other cities. >> thank you. the democratic congressman from illinois, luis gutierrez.
thanks for being with me. president trump signing this executive order. this is his top campaign promise. probably his first one. you of course promised to fight the wall. he's going to do it by executive order. what are you going to do now? >> first of all we're going to fight, we're going to organize lawyers, organize community activists so that no one is left without help. look, erin, let's be clear, we're not going to let him bully the city of chicago. what if tomorrow he says, you know what, you're working -- city of chicago is working with planned parenthood handing out contraceptives, won't give you funding as long as you continue to do that. where is it that we stop president donald trump when it comes to the city of chicago? see, he looks at them as illegals, right? he uses that term. these aliens. we look at them as people who are in our community, husbands, wives, children, our neighbors. they go to church with us.
they're an integral part of our community. so we say to donald trump, we're going to fight you. and think about the crassness of the politics of this all, right? so wrsz he going after? new york, chicago, l.a., cities in which he was crushed politically. talk about somebody who is using raw politics. i don't need them, they don't vote for me, i'm coming after them. >> one thing he's saying, he's making the case the wall will benefit both countries. let me play what he said and explain why. >> you have to understand, what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. we want to have a very stable, solid mexico. >> he says it will be good for both countries and specifically he says he's talking about this, violent drug cartels who are basically smuggling through mexico from other places in south america and then they're coming and aiming for that board we are the united states. if the wall goes up, they won't
come through mexico, mexico will be safer, so will the united states. could he be right in any way that the wall could be good for the u.s. and mexico? >> hook, the first thing we have to come back is the insatiable demand that exists in cities and suburbs all throughout america. you know and yo've reported on the epidemic that exists among american citizens and their insatiable demand for the drugs. so let's also look at supply and demand. you better than most as an economist will understand this. and think about it. this great wall that he wants -- i imagine he wants to put trump on it in gold letters, the great wall. here's how i look at it. looking at this from a global perspective, right, look, if you push mexico away and let's understand minimum of 6 million american workers count on mexico, our second largest trading partner, i mean, mexico buys more goods produced by
american workers than all of europe combined. 5 million to 6 million american workers depend on the trade between mexico. you build a wall, you w push them straight into china's hands. and instead of having two great walls, china will have two great wa walls. you know what, maybe they'll say, you know what, america, you keep hermosa, we get mexico as one of our trade ing partners i the western hemisphere. >> interesting point. take where we are, which is he is the president, he has signed an executive order, there are ways he could build this wall. he says u.s. taxpayers are initial hi paying for it and mexico will ultimately reimburse it. say the wall is built. will you fight for mexico to pay for it instead of u.s. taxpayers paying for it? would you fight with him on that part? >> let me say this, erin, remember about his secret plan to defeat isis? but he wouldn't tell us about it but he said it would be great?
we still haven't heard how he's going to do pit. then he said he would replace obamacare with something great, better. no details. now building a wall. here's what he said, it will be complicated. >> tariffs could be increased, cut aid -- there are various things they could do that would -- >> there are -- you better than most, i woke up many mornings listening to you when you worked at another station so that i could get the latest news and learn a little bit about how the economy works and how we're interrelated and interdependent. if you do this and push mexico, you will push mexico straight into the arms of china. you will move them away. this is our partner, our trading partner. i didn't vote for nafta because i thought it was a bad deal for workers but that was 24 years ago. do i think we should fix it? do i think we should amend it?
absolutely. but don't use a wall because who's going to -- here's what i'm going to say to you. i'll come back on this program. you and i both know the american people are going to pay for that wall if he builds it and not mexico. it's like so many other things that he tells us are going to be free. but they're not going to be free. and here's what i say. there a they're our trading partner, our friend, our ally. stop thues r using these politics. last, very important, l.a.x. is a border, right? so is chicago o'hare, so is kennedy. the majority of undocumented workers in this country are not mexican nationals. they come through those ports of entry legally and overstay. >> overstay their visas. >> always ask yourself why you never talk about that? do they not represent a threat? >> that's a fair point. congressman, thank you very much. we'll have you back on to talk about this as his plans tonight. next, epa employees said to
be terrified, told to put a freeze on tweets and blogs and perez releases. and trump signs an executive action to fund the border wall. we'll go thrive that border where you have american citizens standing off face-to-face with people trying to come in illegal pi. >> he's tried three times already to get across and hasn't been able to. your insurance company
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breaking news, the president of mexico supposed to come to washington to meet. but of course backlash over the wall. one former official calls the timing a slap in the face. ed lavandera is on the boarder with rare access of people trying to cross into america but also volunteers, americans in arizona trying to stop them. here's a story you'll see only "out front."
>> reporter: on the border's edge, seven dozen migrants gather for breakfast on the border initiative where jesus garcia is trying to figure out how to get into the united states over a map he recounts how far he's traveled since he left home the day before donald trump was elected president. he started here in honduras, made his way across gatd ma la, here into this little town and this is where he crossed into mexico. he says he hasn't been able to cross. he left home november 7th of last year and he's tried three times already to get across but hasn't been able to. he said it's the first time he's tried crossing the border illegally and it's harder than he imagined. he says if i made hit the far i'll keep trying.
on the ore e side a legion of border patrol agents, barricades, ground sensors are waiting, even some private citizens working on their own to stop migrants like jesus garcia from getting across. >> this is the scene in "the matrix." >> reporter: in tome foley's world, the border lands are a threatening, dangerous place. >> this is what the world really looks like. >> reporter: he leads a volunteer group called arizona border recon that patrols the border around a town in arizona on the u.s.-mexico border with less than a hundred people. >> i've been called everything in the book, a domestic extremist. >> reporter: the southern poverty law center which monitors hate group in the u.s. says foley's group is made up of, quote, native extremists. he sees the flow of drugs, undocumented migrants and the wide open spaces of the border as the country's biggest threat. along the nearly 2,000-mile u.s./southern border there is already about 700 miles of fencing and barricades already in place. here in sassbee, arizona, this
steel see-through fence stretches for several miles but as you approach the end of town, it abruptly comes to an end like these border fences often do as it stretches out into rugged, remote terrain in the arizona desert. >> cameras about five minutes from road. >> reporter: he relies on a collection of cameras he hides in the brush to capture the movements of drug smugglers. he shares that information and videos with border patrol agents. >> you need boots on the ground. that's what's keeping you out there. good thing we have this up here. >> reporter: foley voted for donald trump and wants to see all din the u.s. deport ed and additional border agents moved closer to the mexican border, but he's not convinced trump or anyone else can change the reality he sees. >> when you're reactive to a problem, you're always going to be behind the solution. >> reporter: for many like
18-year-old maria ramirez, they try to come illegally from mexico. she was caught by border patrol with a group of migrants and quickly deported. she wanted to find work in the u.s. to help support her elderly parents. she trembles as she recalls the experience of being smuggled across the border. i asked her if she was going to try to cross again. her brother is still being detained in the united states. she's waiting for him to get out and she's not really sure what they'll do next so she's waiting for him to be sent back here and they'll figure out what they're going to do next. it's the cycle that never ends on the border. >> ed, again, another stunning report, ed "out front" live along the u.s.-mexico border in arizona tonight. yet again in that piece we see a wall and then it just ends. and you showed us that the other night when you were in texas. i mean, it is pretty stunning to see. what do border patrol agents have to say?
>> reporter: we spoke with the wrun i don't know that represents the vast majority of border patrol agents working along the southern border. they are very excited about donald trump being in office. they say they've never been supported bay president in the way that donald trump has supported them and they welcome the idea of fortifying this wall extensively, closing up those barriers, even though that comes at great cost and a great deal of questions and whether or not that's even feasible. they also feel they need more agents on the ground, the national border patrol council says they're down about 1,600 agents right now. >> this is live drone footage right now. you can see that is part of the wall that currently exists. about 700 miles of wall or barricades out of the 2,000 mile
long border. you've shown us texas and arizona. that's next? >> reporter: we're going to move to california. there it's interesting problems even though there's fencing in place in california but smugglers and migrants have gotten creative. we'll explore that and get into the idea of how that affects people on both sides of the border as the u.s. cracks down. what is the ramifications of that, how does it affect people on both sides of the boarder? we'll explore that friday night. >> thank you very much, ed. stunning looking at that drone footage seeing those houses and buildings right up to the edge on both sides and right in the middle that sort of rusted looking fence which is the current wall along the u.s.-mexico border. ed will be back with the next installment of his series later this week. next, the communications freeze at the epa. no tweets or press releases. is the white house targeting an
agency because of politics or is it hysteria? and jeanne moos op the passing of mary tyler moore tile. ♪ you're going to make it after all ♪ your path to retirement may not always be clear. but at t. rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. so wherever your retirement journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. call us or your advisor t. rowe price. invest with confidence.
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>> reporter: cnn has confirmed employees at the epa and the department of interior are under a communication lockdown. an epa memo obtained by cnn says no press releases will go out to external audiences. no social media or blog posts either. digital strategists will oversee social media and employees list serves and scheduled speaking engagements will be subject to review. >> every president puts their own regulations in place and doesn't want to be doing the business of the previous president on big-ticket items. but we're seeing president trump going way beyond that with this political interference because we're talking about basic intimidation and censorship. >> reporter: this comes after the department of interior put a freeze on tweeting after the national park service retweeted messages that compared the crowd sizes at president obama's inauguration to donald trump's inauguration. on tuesday, south dakota's badlands national park official twitter account sent out a
series of tweets about climate change that could be seen as defying president trump. the tweets were later deleted and blamed on a former employee not authorized to use the account. the white house today denied ordering the communications lockdown. >> nothing has come from the white house. >> reporter: cnn spoke to several former epa officials who say a freeze in agency activities is normal during a transition, but some environmentalists are particularly concerned it appears agencies that regulate climate change and environmental policy are being targeted. cnn called multiple agencies including the pentagon, the bureau of land management, army corps of engineers. they've all said they have not been given a directive to change how they communicate with people outside the agency. myron ebell was on the trump transition team. why are only certain agencies being told that they can't speak to outside individuals? >> epa is very political.
they're involved in communicating their message trying to convince people that what they're doing at epa is the correct thing. >> reporter: so while a pause in communications may be standard operating procedure during a transition, i spoke with several past epa official who is say there are parts of trump's transition approach that do appear to be extreme, for example, telling employees they're forbidden from speaking to members of congress. a former republican new jersey governor christine todd whitman who also served as epa administrator under george w. bush, told me today, pointed out that this communications lockdown does come within a context, a context of donald trump's war on the media and the distrust of the press. i am also told by epa spokesperson that the agency is in the process of reviewing all the material, what will be allowed on the agency website,
what will not be allowed and the litmus test is what fits with the administration's views. >> thank you very much. next, jeanne moos remembering the much-loved visionary actress mary tyler moore who died this afternoon. >> only 7:45. i have time for 8:00. >> but joanne, i didn't tell anyone to get here. the best simple veggie dish ever? heart healthy california walnuts. the best simple dinner ever? heart healthy california walnuts. great tasting, heart healthy california walnuts. so simple. get the recipes at walnuts.org.
>> reporter: mary tyler moore's smile has been turned off before the age of 80. ♪ you're going to make it after all ♪ her famous hat throw immortal e immortalized in a statue. >> here it goes! >> reporter: her first acting was as an elf. pushing appliances. but her career really got hot -- >> the "the dick van dyke show" -- >> >> reporter: in 1961 with her first starring role. >> i want to show you off. how about it, laurie? will you give me that pleasure? >> no. >> reporter: in her own show she played a single tv woman in a newsroom. >> you've got spunk. >> well -- >> i hate spunk. >> reporter: the show had enough spunk to last seven seasons. ♪ mary also went after serious roles. >> do you chase these roles or -- >> yes. >> reporter: she was nominated for an academy award for
"ordinary people" in her not so ordinary life, she was married three times, went through diabetes and a benign brain tumor, lost her only son when he accidentally shot himself. she was a vegetarian and for years an alcoholic. >> i just made up my mind to stop. >> reporter: and checked into the betty ford clippic. watch her expression when larry king described her -- >> television's comedy goddess. >> reporter: she said this quote was her motto. >> what other people think of me is none of my business. >> reporter: if you think of her as sadness, recall her cracking up at the funeral of chuckles the crown. remember how that ended? >> go ahead, my dear. laugh for chuckles. >> reporter: mary tyler moore fans may need some tissues. or at least a group hug. >> i think we all need some kleenex.
>> there's some on mary's desk. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> we understand she died surrounded by those who loved her. thank you for joining us. it is time now for "ac 360." good evening. we are coming to you from studio 51 where people are arriving for a van jones town hall featuring kwhoopi goldberg getting under way at the top of the next hour. no shortage of news. been that way nearly every day since president trump took office. he's been busy signing orders and large lly making good on so of his campaign issues. some of mr. trump's supporters on this program and elsewhere have said false claims are not a story, that the american people don't care about these things. they say our focus should be on those executive actions instead. the fact is we