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sanctuary cities refusing to turn over undocumented immigrants but aren't we give us your tired your poor our yearning to live free. you want too knock over the statue of liberty? >> everyone in this room and everybody in this country is descendant of immigrant. >> except for native americans. >> and they came from somewhere else originally. did they not? that's where we start on this. his only point is when people come into this country from elsewhere, we need to know who they are. this woman that went to san bernardino on so-called k-1 fiance visa, had stuff on social media saying coming here for jihad purposes and nobody paid
attention. 14 people dead at holiday party at office. >> which is horrible and i don't think especially anyone who knows you, you don't have ill intention, up to anything negative but there are consequences to the rhetoric. george w. bush went to a mosque to calm this down. never seen trump do that. people are suffering and someone here, arish, singh, sikh, not a muslim but ejected from rally. >> i'm a sikh and don't claim to speak for others but it's part of the sikh faith to stand up against injus uft that others wereification a facing. trump's claim that thousands of new jersey muslims were cheering on the 9/11 attacks.
complete fabrication, said to millions watching on tv and live stream, do that about jersey city, new jersey, home to large arab and south asian population, muslims and hindu, sikhs. incredible to do that and that person is our president. that's injustice we have to stand up against. >> don't you think trump needs to do a lot more? he's hurt a lot of folks' feelings. bush went to the mosque. is he letting folks down? >> he's only been there six days. give him a little slack here. but he's talked already to all kinds of people. he's had al gore in to see him. >> but he tweets about everything. couldn't he tweet about it? >> what i'm saying, he's new
yorker. has lived all his life in a diverse community. he knows people all over the map. of all walks of life. construction people et cetera. >> he could just say that. that would be good. >> i think he will -- >> but do you understand? >> i do. >> if you were punjabi woman or sikh, environment would make you nervous? >> i probably would be nervous. went to women's march and people saying things i can't say on camera. had a friend with me. >> but that's terrible. that's terrible. and both sides -- that's the kind of stuff that needs to stop in america. you should be able to go to rally and be part of it. okay. we've got one more person before they yank me out of here.
i'm big environmentalist. >> no! this was not on the briefing card. >> want to hear from lisa levine. attorney in new york. >> why does donald trump refuse to accept climate change science? >> there are a lot of people who don't accept it. and bring this around to the problem we have with political correctness, climate science is a lot of things out there. there is this feeling if a certain group of people -- for instance this figure debunked in the "wall street journal" about 97% and some climateologists said this is misleading figure. inaccurate. there are climateologists out there who disagree with all this. >> it's tiny -- there are scientists that tell you smoking doesn't cause cancer. you always have a minority.
but aren't you worried -- on the orwell thing. if the government changes and science changes, isn't that disturbing? >> i believe totally that we should let science be science. speak for myself, not for donald trump. to be candid, i worry that science along with a lot of other things, law, journalism, et cetera is infected with politics and that people do things for political reasons because -- there was a woman -- >> listen i can't argue with you. might be some of that but facts are facts. amount of common in the atmosphere -- >> alternative facts. >> no such thing as alternative facts. those are called lies. i got to go. luckily get a chance to do this all the time. thank all by guests tonight. don't get a chance to do this
all the time. love it so much. thank the studio audience and people at home. keep it going in neighborhoods. "cnn tonight" with don lemon my friend, mentor and teacher starts right now. don lemon. van jones thank you very much. begin with breaking news, source telling cnn that the president could open investigation into his erroneous claims of voter fraud as early as tomorrow, claims that may be based on urban legend by pro golfer. top republican sees no fraud. i'm don lemon. president trup making good on key campaign promise signing executive order. >> the secretary of homeland
security working with myself and my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. >> and this just in, moments ago responding to that, we have breaking news, mexico's president, also an inside look to how the president is comparing the white house to trump tower after first few days in office and the white house. begin with keir citizen powers, jim acosta, david swerdlick, maggie hal birman. president trump signed executive order to begin moving towards building a wall on the u.s./mexican border. talked about it this evening. >> will american taxpayers pay
for the wall? >> ultimately come out of what is happening with mexico. starting negotiations relatively soon and be in a form reimbursed by mexico. >> they'll pay us back. >> absolutely 100%. >> so american taxpayer pay at first. >> be reimbursed from mexico. >> mexico aetsz president said will not pay goes against our dignity as country and as mexicans. says simply not paying. >> he has to say that. but i'm telling you, there will be a payment, it will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. you have to understand what i'm doing is good for the united states. it's also going to be good for mexico. we want a stable solid mexico. >> when does construction begin? >> as soon as we can physically do it. >> months? >> planning is starting
immediately. >> today's executive order, what does it accomplish? is the wall happening? >> president trump says it is happening. tap into funds into existence in the department of homeland security to get construction started but don the president can't through executive order authorize the billions of dollars it will take to pay for the wall until it's completely built across entire border. need congress's help for that. take expenditures from capitol hill and in the long run there is simply no plan at this point to get mexico to pay for this wall. he's saying might come in complicated form at some point but don't have anything worked out with mexican president who just posted on twitter in just the last few minutes don, reiterating that mexico will not pay for the wall. >> yeah. jim stand by.
glad you mentioned that. go to layla santiago in mexico city where the president has just responded to president trump's actions. layla talk to us about what he said. jim acosta reported that posted this video message. what is he saying? >> big take-away is that he never said he has any plans to cancel the meeting with trump next week. reason that's so important is lot of mexican senators today came out and put that out as call wanting president to say i won't be meeting with trump even though at this very moment the foreign and economic minister from mexico are in d.c. with a series of meetings they'll be having. today as well as tomorrow with the trump administration.
president said he demands respect. doesn't believe in walls, will not pay for the wall. again never mentioned any change of plans in his meeting with president donald trump next week. >> all right. thank you, appreciate that. back to the folks hoor. kirsten talk about this. this is a quote from the president. mexico does not believe in walls, i've said time and again will not pay. former president on with anderson cooper, saying won't pay. won't put in his terms, used expletive, a you know what wall. president trump says going to pay for it. fwog to be complicated. >> why should they pay for a wall? not something they want or need. it's expensive. billions of dollars, it's
ridiculous on the face of it. if donald trump wants us to believe it's going to happen, he needs to be more specific how he's going to get the money from them. >> it's not something that most americans want even. cbs news poll this month, asked americans if they favor or oppose building a wall. 59% oppose. 37% support it. when cbs asked who they think will pay for the wall, 79% think we will pay for it ourselves. only 14% think mexico will. he's taking early action but the question is can he deliver on this massive promise that most americans don't want. >> reason most americans don't want it, we don't have a problem with people coming into the country. problem he's trying to solve doesn't exist. they aren't flooding in the way he seems to think that they are.
and president obama actually did a lot to deport people as well. idea that immigration is out of control, most people recognize it's not true. second of all, most people don't want to have a country that builds a wall to keep people out. >> most people coming into the airports overstaying visa. that's the biggest problem with immigration, not coming across the wall. #alternativefacts. cost estimates range from $10 billion up to $25 billion, is congress prepared dom up with that money? >> i think congress will scrutinize it. its not clear to me that the republican majority is going to stand up to president trump on this seen if they think it's going to hurt budget situation to allocate this much money. presumably not going to build
it, pay for it ourselves and send an invoice. what is this complicated form that trump is going to use to make mexico pay for the wall. if it's tariffs or trade penalties then we run the risk of essentially making them pay for it and repaying for it ourselves if the tariffs and higher prices on goods across the border means americans pay a higher price for goods from mexico. if you like avocado on blt, wait until mexico slaps a retariff on something coming. >> and keep in mind there's a wall already there, in some cases absent but it's tough to build all the way across the southern border. maggie, your piece today, said it's not trump tower but white house has beautiful phones. then you describe his life there
this way. his mornings he said are spent as they were in trump tower. he rises before 6:00 a.m., watches television tuned to a cable channel first in the residence and then west wing. looks through morning newspapers but meetings begin at 9:00 a.m., earlier than used to, significantly curtails his television time but doesn't read so able to end his evenings with plenty of television. we know that. subjects we talk about he tweets about later. how is he settling in? >> he was in a good mood. talked to him last night. tried me early and call was not wonderful. but he sounds like he's still in awe of the building. still a man in transition. it's day five. all very new. you have this sort of stress
period over the weekend where he was investing a lot of anxiety and sense of change and fatigue frankly in obsessing about the coverage and crowd size issue. but he sounded very good. he sounded excited to be there. it's interesting, for somebody who so much of his life is so public and accessible and available, he doesn't really like talking about his family. when you prod him on emotional inner space, asked how handling having wife and son barron not in the house with him, which is unusual, he would fly home even late almost every night of the campaign to sleep in his own bed and quickly said melania trump and their son will be coming down this weekend and thinking of first trip to mar-a-lago february third maybe.
he was awed by the history. still talks in trumpese though. asked what office he's in, he says mostly oval office but there's quote, a lot of boardrooms there. i think the various rooms off the oval office. he's having a lot of fun. he's more situated than any recent president for this kind of isolated setup. lived and worked in same place the last 40 years. >> who wouldn't be of awe of living in the white house. right? he has every right to be. it's majestic. here's tweeted today. wanted to ask about. sources telling you some of the drama was due to how president trump functions when tired or overstressed. most self-destructive when the stakes are high. forgive me for saying that's unsettling thing to say about
president. >> by stakes are high, when he's facing a new large challenge of magnitude tends to infuse it with more drama than is perhaps necessary. if you look at campaign, as soon as he secures something, he finds a way to harm himself afterwards. defacto nominee in may and shortly afterward talking about the indiana-born judge in the trump university case who he noted was of mexican descent and drew a conclusion this must be because of building a wall which paul ryan called textbook definition of racism. and after official nominee at convention immediately harmed himself tacking the wife of khizr khan, gold star mother and
said she didn't speak because she's a muslim. and had this cycle play itself out over and over again. doesn't mean he doesn't settle into it. people have various ways of dealing with stress. bill clinton did, obama was least visible on this frankly. but people have various ways of dealing with this. trump has never been elected official before. first elected office is the presidency. that's a big deal. i think a lot of things at play on saturday. problem is not that he's having this kind of episode but i think the problem is that there was nobody around him in the white house who was able to just put a stop to this statement that sean spicer gave that while sean spicer might have dutyfully said i'm interested in doing this, by all accounts he was not eager to
deliver it. >> maggie, thank you. everyone stick around. up next is president trump's claim of voter fraud based on urban legend by a pro golfer? so we have extra sets of eyes on our wells every day. because safety is never being satisfied. and always working to be better. because safety is never being satisfied. why are you checking your credit score? you don't want to ride the 13l forever, do you?
sounds like a subject change or shift into what he actually said that millions of people voted illegally. is he change up here? are they switching -- what is happening? >> did talk to senior administration official earlier who said that president trump could sign executive action as soon as tomorrow to launch federal investigation into something most election experts agree is not a problem. widespread voter fraud just doesn't exist in the u.s. when we heard president trump talking about david muir at abc, breaking it down to people who live in two different states and registered in them, dead and on the voter rolls. not the same as what he said shortly after the election and what he said at congressional reception the other tonight that he believes millions of people in the u.s. are voting illegally. it's a shift rhetorically in
terms of what he's saying about this but sounds like trying to launch an investigation to see if he can prove this claim, unsubstantiated and unfounded, never proven true that widespread voter fraud exists in this country but could happen as soon as tomorrow. >> people move, you're registered to vote in georgia and understand you've moved to new york -- >> not breaking any laws. >> just what happens. maggie -- >> i got to run inside. >> what president trump said, 3 million to 5 million illegal votes. friend pro golfer prevented from voting. >> it is remarkable anecdote but consistent with what we saw the
president do as candidate. began talking about he believes it's widespread fraud, let me tell you this story. he's expert storyteller. told the story of professional golfer, german citizen. and he said that he had been in line to vote in florida and found himself surrounded in front and behind him in line by people who didn't look, quote/unquote, like they ought to be able to vote and ticked off list of latin american countries they could have been from. claimed that golfer denied the ability to vote. glen my colleague reached daughter of the golfer. claimed had this conversation over thank at mar-a-lago, daughter said they're not friends despite how trump
described them and this never happened because the golfer is not a u.s. citizen and wouldn't have been trying to vote and seemed emphatic about having it be known her father is not friends with trump. white house official told glen this is a story that trump had heard that -- the golfer was describing a friend of his this happened to but left impression on trump. it's telling anecdote on several levels. it's alarming because not based in any facts and president is using this as example of anecdotal evidence by which he's going on basis to project out multimillions of votes that happens to be the margin he lost by in the popular vote. the degree to which trump is willing to pass on information that is not entirely accurate or verified or proven, and then pass it along incorrectly.
it was quite something. >> yeah. here's dish talking about bernha bernhard langer right? and "new york times" writes this. ahead of and behind mr. langer, the golfer, were voters who did not look as if they should be allowed to vote but nonetheless permitted to cast ballots. threw out names of latin american countries the voters might have come from. >> alarming statement, considering we have american citizens from countries all over the world. how can look at somebody and know they shouldn't be allowed to vote. >> can't be just based on this anecdote. >> thing people need to remember is this is something the right-wing media focuses on a
lot. donald trump didn't come up with this story of voter fraud, he's picking it up from right-wing outlets. reason that conservatives focus on this is they use it as justification to clamp on down voter i.d. laws that are voter suppression efforts. you have to have the fraud to have the suppression. that's what this is really about. >> and david, again, we know this is -- as kirstin said it's about voter suppression if there is any strategy to that. even the person who would be in charge of major investigation of voter fraud would be jason chaipis of the house and not interested in doing investigation. >> couple of different reasons why the president put this story out but one is just that, keep alive this idea there's widespread voter fraud as pretext perhaps to enact more
voter suppression laws going forward toward the 2018 and 2020 elections. back to the bernhard langer story, the "new york times" story casts doubt on that story or the details as relaid by the president. but say that the president basically had the story right, it's still one instance of potential and strange voter fraud and as kirsten said, how can someone tell looking at someone if they're citizen of the united states. talking about one instance and if you listen to the way president trump spoke on the campaign trail and now, many times speaking publicly and offering evidence of particular assertion, starts out i heard or many people are saying or i'm hearing something rather than data and specific facts that can
be verified by independent source. >> mostly about voter suppression, not necessarily voter fraud which is there is little evidence. anomalies in the voting system but widespread voter fraud, no evidence of that. up next more president trump possibly announcing investigation into claims of voter fraud as early as tomorrow. multiple symptoms. ♪ ♪ trintellix (vortioxetine) is a prescription medicine for depression. trintellix may start to untangle or help improve the multiple symptoms of depression. for me, trintellix made a difference. tell your healthcare professional right away if your depression worsens, or you have unusual changes in mood, behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. trintellix has not been studied in children. do not take with maois.
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>> i called the author and told me found no evidence of voter fraud. >> why did he write the report. then he's groveling again. i talk about the reporters that grovel when they want to write something you want to hear but not necessarily millions of people want to hear or have to hear. >> so you've launched investigation? >> we're going to launch an investigation to find out and next time -- i will say that, of those votes cast, none of them come to me. none of them come to me. all would be for the other side. none come to me. when you look at people, registered, dead, illegal, two states or maybe three. we have a lot to look into. >> this is very important discussion. and i want to be honest about this, i think people are relying on us. obviously, for the truth. members of his own party shut this down, his own attorney said there's no fraud or mistake in
2016, why does he insist that the author of the study is in on this, he came in, spoke with david muir. there's no evidence of it. >> there's more than this study. heritage foundation, sampling, 742 criminal convictions, 462 cases and all across the country and they have the names of the individuals, what they were convicted for, when they were convicted et cetera. my point is let's find out. answer is we don't know how many. >> people want to know that. even with what you're saying, doesn't say thousands- >> 3 million to 5 million. >> the key word was sampling. this was just a -- >> wouldn't it say millions. >> we have no idea. that's the point. should have said we have no idea
how much there is. let's find it out. >> i want to hear from the biggest expert on this whole thing on this -- talking about voter suppression and fraud is dr. william barber. >> you dealt with it not only in this election cycle but for many years. >> been fighting ever since. jeffrey, call yourself lord but come on brother. listen. we know the guy you're talking about, he's been proven for fraudulent. brought him to north carolina and claims were the same ones that republicans used in north carolina to justify the worst voter suppression law and courts ruled against them, said engaged in surgical voter suppression. that's the issue. 22 states since two years after obama won passed voter suppression. 15 states since 2013. we're talking about states where you had some of the highest turnout of african-americans and
latinos where republican-led legislatures did voter suppression. that's the issue. voter fraud is a lie. voter suppression is alive and well. you scratch a lie, you find the thief. >> jeffrey just said something i hear a lot of republicans say. when you say voter suppression they say just asking for voter i.d. was it only about that? >> no it wasn't. about 40 changes. rolled back same day registration, early voting. passed worst form of photo i.d. and court said it was unconstitutional. i heard jeffrey say last night you can buy medicine, you need i.d. first of all not a civil right or constitutional light. people give the last four digits of social security and license
when they do voter registration have to sign name. felony if you lie and been no cases of this. this is the same lie that tom tiller as speaker of the house used to justify voter suppression, same fraudulent research, courts ruled against him and even temple taggart mcdowell -- tom tiller said we wnt -- trying to suppress the african-american vote. had less in the community than in 2012. >> i have to get to break but would you like to respond? >> voter suppression would mean that people who are noncitizens are voting and suppressing citizens. >> that's not true. voter suppression is when the courts say you surgically and
intentionally suppress african-americans and latinos. not my opinion, court prf proven truth. not the lies of donald trump or republican party. but courts ruled. two white judges and one african-american that the state engaged in racialized voter suppression both in the voting and in gerrymandering, called it apartheid districting. that's what we need to deal with and fix. that's why we took them to court. >> stand by. we'll be right back. if you're gonna make an entrance... [car driving upon the water] ♪
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professor. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> van the president said all the vote go to the other side. cnn is reporting that steve bannon and steve mnuchin are both registered in two states. did they commit voter fraud? >> no. some good can come out of this i hope. if you want to have an honest conversation about voting in america and look at it seriously, what you find will be shocking. we don't have a great voting system and the poorer you are, more rural, tougher your neighborhood is from urban point of view, less you're able to exercise your vote. it's going to turn out when you look into this, low income people and people of color. they're the ones having a hard time voting. unfortunately starting off in
ridiculous place. >> framed -- >> framed in way i think is unfortunate. used to be president saying going to go into states where people are stopped from voting now saying phantoms need to be stopped from voting. we can rescue it but still bad. >> you heard refer to the pew report in the interview with david muir. one of the authors of that study has been talking to cnn all day. listen to his response. >> this is not something that hasn't been looked at. bush administration doj looked at this. federal elections commission, secretaries of state, republicans and democrats look at this regularly throughout the election cycle. secretary of state of ohio, republican secretary of state of louisiana does a great job as well. all come to the same conclusion,
administrative inefficiencies that might exist on the voter rolls do not result in fraudulent ballots being cast and in the fif years since, gotten better due to election officials using data and technology to keep up with people's mobility. >> and dr. dyson, cnn confirmed statements there is no voter fraud from secretaries of state from several states. what is going on here? what is your reaction? >> well, i think it's symptomatic of this president's inability to square reality with fantasy. the word empirical means that which can be falseified or verified through the census. if you have a claim, produce the proof to substantiate it. he has none, projected out of fantasy what he wants to be the case and asserts it and willy
nilly expects everybody to fall in line. reality is putin was a problem with hacking but we need to confront this. real problem with voting in this election happens to be with people of color, elderly people in certain regions of the country denied access to polls and because of voter i.d. laws and energy and efforts directed to poor people and people of color. in reality this reinforces damage done to these communities. i hope some spotlight will be put on them. what i fear in all the mazma and madness, what we end up seeing is donald trump is living in fantasy world, president of the united states of america exercising power as most powerful man in the world is going by delusion as opposed to fact and undermining and circumventing flourishing of the
democrat he leads, important issue. >> focus on area of agreement. 97-year-old mom voting her life. when pennsylvania passed i.d. law she no longer drives had to take her to motor vehicle's department to get i.d. supplied by the commonwealth of pennsylvania. i don't see any reason why state governments don't send someone to your house. if you can't do it, if there's some economic reason or age related reason. >> mobility. >> right. go to your house and take the picture. how hard is that? i do think we have to take care of this. >> dr. barber? >> the problem is we've had elections all the way through 2008. started with obama was elected and african-americans and latinos voted him in, all of sudden there's problem with fraud. it's not about photo i.d.
norl north carolina rolled back same day registration and early voting and lied about fraud to pass strict voter i.d. and lied about not having i.d. when registered to vote. long discussion but ought to be talking about restoring the voting rights act and dealing with voter suppression proven in the courts and opening up access to the democracy. >> and as outgoing president said, we should be getting as many people, make it easier for people to vote as possible to get into the voting process. our conversation continues on the other side of this break. starting at $35 a month. no extra monthly fees.
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>> one hopes so. it's interesting conversation in conservatives that usually leave to states' rights. and federal law, interesting conversations but states and cities around the country have to recognize that presidency echoed surprisingly narrow definitions of what it means to be american and exploded conception of diversity that wants to build bridges and not walls, brave politicians have to stand up to president trump and remind him this is a citizenry predicated on democracy and opening border to receive all who come in could strengthen it, since coerced immigration make up the bulk of the nation and its great zblns sayiness. >> saying i will send in the
feds and talks about the number of shooting. any credit at all for that? >> look, i give him credit for wanting to do something about it. but the problem is presence of the feds, what happens? criminalized entire population of people so they become casualties of the war and don't make distinctions between those likely to commit a crime and those who haven't, exacerbates the problem. and after the troops leave what has it done to address the underlying problems that i talk about in my book. access to capital, war zones. ghettos, what about the closing of schools and denying of opportunity educationally? job creation. if donald trump were a smart president what he would say is bring entrepreneurial might to bear on the problems to remove the blight as opposed to
federal -- >> van jones? >> there is an opportunity here. democrats have done a miserable job dealing with poverty in urban areas and republicans miserable job with rural poverty. both sides let down the poor. sending in feds is worst place to start the conversation but it's now been started. can open doors to people with solutions. would love to see jack kemp kind of approach in urban america. don't want to see militarization, but fact that president is talking about this could be a good thing. >> exactly. somebody who worked for jack kemp, he made a point of having those of us who worked for him go into the cities and talk to people and have better understanding of the problem. first thing to do is stop the carnage and as dr. dyson is saying, other things can be
done. >> last word dr. barber. >> we need a moral revolution of values, have to deal with the divestment in these communities. had clergy who offered to meet with donald trump about these issues. got the letter but never responded. moral issues with voting, immigration, poverty. not any one party but dealing with these issues, serious audit of the country and fixing the problem, we need to do that. but can't have somebody deluded and dealing more in lies than the truth. >> thank you dr. barber, jeffrey lord, van jones and michael eric dyson "tears we cannot stop ". we'll be right back.
breaking news, president donald trump sitting down for first television interview since becoming commander in chief less than a week ago. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon, touching on a wide range of topics, including his claim of voter fraud, executive order to build a wall on the border and claim that waterboarding techniques produce results. turn to