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jeffrey lord with me. president donald trump signed two executive actions today. one about building a wall on the u.s./mexican border and other is taking funding away from sanctuary cities refusing to turn over undocumented immigrants but aren't we give us -- supposed to be the country of immigrants? give us your tired, your poor, your yearning to live free. you want too knock over the statue of liberty? >> everyone in this room and everybody in this country is descendant of immigrant. >> except for native americans. >> and they came from somewhere else originally. did they not? that's where we start on this. his only point is when people come into this country from elsewhere, we need to know who they are. this woman that went to
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san bernardino on so-called k-1 fiance visa, had stuff on social media saying coming here for jihad purposes and nobody paid attention. 14 people dead at holiday party at a christmas party at the office. >> which is horrible and i don't think especially anyone who knows you, you don't have ill intention, up to anything negative but there are consequences to the rhetoric. george w. bush went to a mosque to calm this down. i've never seen trump do that. people are suffering and someone here, arish, singh, whoe is a sikh, not a muslim but ejected from rally. >> i'm a sikh and don't claim to
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speak for others but it's part of the sikh faith to stand up against injus uft that others were facing. trump's claim that thousands of new jersey muslims were cheering on the 9/11 attacks. complete fabrication. he broadcast to thousands, to millions who were watching on tv. on live stream. to do that about jersey city, new jersey, a community that is home to a large arab population and south asian population, muslims but also hindus. it's incredible that someone could do that. and that person is now our president, that we have. >> don't you think trump needs to do a lot more? he's hurt a lot of folks' feelings. bush went to the mosque. is he letting folks down? >> he's only been there six days. give him a little slack here. but he's talked already to all
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kinds of people. he's had al gore in to see him. >> but he tweets about everything. couldn't he tweet about it? >> what i'm saying, he's new yorker. has lived all his life in a diverse community. he knows people all over the map. of all walks of life. construction people et cetera. >> he could just say that. that would be good. >> i think he will -- >> but do you understand? >> i do. >> if you were punjabi woman or sikh, the environment would make you nervous? >> i probably would be nervous. went to women's march and people saying things i can't say on camera. i had a friend with me. >> did that really happen?
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>> that really happened. >> that's terrible. that's terrible. and both sides -- that's the kind of stuff that needs to stop in america. you should be able to go to rally and be part of it. okay. we've got one more person before they yank me out of here. i'm a big environmentalist. >> no! this was not on the briefing card. >> i want to hear from lisa levine. attorney in new york. >> why does donald trump refuse to accept climate change science? >> there are a lot of people who don't accept it. and let me bring this around to the problem we have with political correctness, climate science is a lot of things out there. there is this feeling if a certain group of people -- for instance this figure debunked in the "wall street journal" about 97% and some climateologists said this is misleading figure.
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inaccurate. there are climateologists out there who disagree with all this. >> it's tiny -- there are scientists that tell you smoking doesn't cause cancer. you always have a minority. but aren't you worried -- on the orwell thing. aren't you worried if the government changes and the science changes? isn't that disturbing? >> i believe totally that we should let science be science. speak for myself, not for donald trump. to be candid, i worry that science along with a lot of other things, law, journalism, et cetera is infected with politics and that people do things for political reasons because -- there was a woman -- >> listen i can't argue with you. might be some of that but facts are facts. with the amount of carbon in the atmosphere.
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>> alternative facts. >> no such thing as alternative facts. those are called lies. i got to go. luckily we get a chance to do this all the time. thank all by guests tonight. don't get a chance to do this all the time. love it so much. thanks to the studio audience and people at home. keep it going in neighborhoods. "cnn tonight" with don lemon my friend, mentor and teacher starts right now. don lemon. van jones thank you very much. begin with breaking news, source telling cnn that the president could open investigation into his erroneous claims of voter fraud as early as tomorrow, claims that may be based on urban legend by a pro golfer.
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top republican sees no fraud. i'm don lemon. president trump making good on key campaign promise signing an executive order. >> the secretary of homeland security working with myself and my staff will begin immediate construction of a border wall. >> and this just in, moments ago responding to that, we have breaking news, mexico's president, also an inside look to how the president is comparing the white house to trump tower after his first few days in office and the white house. begin with kirsten powers, jim acosta, david swerdlick, maggie haberman. good evening to all of you.
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thank you so much. gym -- jim, you're at the white house. president trump signed executive order to begin moving towards building a wall on the u.s./mexican border. he talked about it this evening. >> will american taxpayers pay for the wall? >> ultimately it will come out of what is happening with mexico. starting negotiations relatively soon and be in a form reimbursed by mexico. >> they'll pay us back. >> absolutely 100%. >> so american taxpayer pay at first. >> be reimbursed from mexico. >> mexico's president said will pay adding it goes against our dignity as a country and our dignity as mexicans. he says simply they're not paying. >> he has to say that. but i'm telling you, there will be a payment, it will be in a form, perhaps a complicated form. you have to understand what i'm doing is good for the united states.
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it's also going to be good for mexico. we want a stable solid mexico. >> when does construction begin? >> as soon as we can physically do it. >> within months? >> i would say in months. certainly planning is starting immediately. >> today's executive order, what does it accomplish? is the wall happening? >> president trump says it is happening. they'll initially tap into funds already in existence in the department of homeland security to get the construction started. but don, the president cannot through executive order authorize the billions of dollars it will take to pay for the wall. until it's completely built across the entire u.s. mexico border. he's going to need congress's help. it's going to take some expenditures from capitol hill, and then in the long run as you noticed in the interview with david muir, there is no plan at this point, no plan to get mexico to pay for this wall. he's saying it might come in a
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complicated form at some point, but at this point they don't have anything worked out with the mexican president who just posted a video message on twitter in the just the last few minutes, don, reiterating that mexico will not pay for the wall. >> yeah. jim, stand by. i'm glad you mentioned that. i want to go to lela, our cnn correspondent in mexico city. where the president of mexico has just responded to president trump's actions. lela, talk to us about what he said. jim acosta reported the president posted this video, i think it was on twitter, a video message. what is he saying, lela? >> well, the big take away is that he never said he has any plans to cancel the meeting with trump next week. and the reason that that is so important is a lot of mexican senators today actually came out and put that out there as a call. wanting the president to say i will not be meeting with trump,
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even though at this very moment the foreign minister and the economic minister both from mexico are in d.c. with a series of meetings they'll be having, that they had today as well as tomorrow with the trump administration. but the mexican president said he demands respect. he does not believe in walls. he will not pay for the wall. but, again, never mentioned any change of plans in his meeting with president trump next week. >> all right. thank you very much, lela. i appreciate that. let's get back to our folks here in the u.s. kiersten, let's talk about this. again, and this is a quote from the president. he said mexico does not believe in walls. i said time and again mexico will not pay for any wall. the former president was on with anderson cooper earlier saying i'm not going to say, and i won't put it in his terms. he used an expletive, any you
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know what wall. donald trump says the president says you're going to pay for it. it may be complicated. you know. >> here's the question. why should they pay for the wall? let's start this. this isn't something they want. it's not something they need. they -- this is expensive. we're talking billions of dollars. it's ridiculous on the face of it. so if donald trump wants us to believe this is going to happen, he needs to be a little more specific about how he's going to get the money from them. >> this is a cbs news poll this month. 59%% almost 60% of americans oppose the wall. 37% support it. when cbs asks who they think will pay for the wall, nearly 80% think we'll pay for it ourselves. only 14 % think mexico will pay for this wall. he's taking early action, but can he deliver on the massive
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promise that most americans don't want? >> the reason -- >> we've already gone through. >> the reason most americans don't want it is because he don't have a problem with people coming into the country, the problem he's trying to solve doesn't exist. they aren't flooding into the country the way he seems to think they are. and president obama actually did a lot to deport people as well. so the idea that immigration is completely out of control, i think most people recognize is not true. second will have oall, i think most people don't want a country that builds a wall and keeps coming out. >> most people are overstaying their visa, that's the biggest problem. it's a fact, hash tag, alternate fact. david, the cost estimates range from $10 million billion, to 20 or $25 billion. what's the progress here? >> i think congress is going to
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really scrutinize it. right now it's not clear to me that republican majority is going to stand up to president trump on this. even if they think that in the end it's going to hurt our budget situation to allocate this much money. presumably we're not going to build the wall, pay for it ourselves and send mexico an invoice, right? the question is, then, what is this complicated form as kiersten said that trump is going to use to make mexico pay for the wall. if it's something like tariffs or a trade penalty, then we run the risk of essentially making them pay for it and then repaying for it ourselves if those tariffs and higher prices on goods going back and forth across the border means that americans pay a higher price for goods that we get from mexico. you know, if you like that avenue caw doe on your blt, wait until mexico slaps a retariff on something. >> there's a wall already there in some places it is absent.
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it's tough to build a wall all the way across the southern border here. maggie, interesting. i couldn't wait to talk to you about your piece today. donald trump's move from trump tower to the white house. here's what you said it's called. it's not trump tower but white house has beautiful phones. and then you describe his life there this way. his mornings are sent as they were in trump tower. he rises before 6:00 a.m. watches television tuned to a cable channel first in the residents and later in the west wing. and looks through the morning newspapers yrgs, "the new york times," "the washington post." his meetings are at 9:00 a.m. with significantly curtailed to telephone time. still he's able to end his evenings with plenty of television and we know that because often subjects that we put on this show he often ends up tweeting about them minutes later. how is he settling in so far? >> he was in a very good mood when i spoke to him last night. he had actually tried me earlier
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in the day and i missed the call. which was not wonderful. but he sounds like he's still in awe of the building. he's still a man in transition. remember, it's day five. this is all very new. i think that you had this sort of stress period over the weekend where he was investing a lot of his anxiety and sense to change and fatigue, frankly. and obsessing about the coverage and about the crowd size issue. but he sounded very good. he sounded excited to be there. it's interesting. for somebody who so much of his life is so public and accessible and available, he doesn't really like talking about his family when you prod him on sort of emotional interspace. i asked him how he was handling having his wife and his son, baron not in the house with him which is unusual. he would fly home, even late
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almost every night of the campaign to sleep in his bed, and he quickly said the first lady and their son will be coming down this weekend and staying. he's thinking of his first trip to mar-a-lago possibly the weekend of february 3rd. but he was very, very odd by the history. he still talks in trump-e ze e. i asked him what office he's working in. he said mostly the oval office, but he said, quote, there's a lot of boardrooms. he's having a lot of fun, and he's more situated than any recent president for this kind of isolated setup. he lived and worked in the same place for 40 years. >> who wouldn't be in awe of living in the white house? >> that's right. >> he has every right to be. it's majestic. here's what you tweeted today. you said your sources have also been telling you that some of the drama this past weekend was
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due to how president trump functions when he's tired or overstressed and he's most self-destructive when the stakes are high. forgive me for saying this, it's an unsettling thing to hear about someone in that position as president. can you elaborate? >> i think by stakes are high, when he is facing some new large challenge of magnitude, he tends to infuse it with more drama than is perhaps necessary. if you look back at the campaign, as soon as he secures something, he finds a way to harm himself right after. he became the de facto nominee in may and quickly after started talking about a judge, the judge in the indiana foreign judge in the trump university case who he noted was quote, unquote, of mexican dissent. he immediately drew a conclusion about building a wall which paul ryan called the textbook definition of racism.
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you then had right after he became officially the nominee at the convention, immediately harmed himself by attacking the wife of a gold star mother, suggesting she might not have spoken because she was a muslim woman as opposed to a grieving mother which is why she didn't speak. you've had a serious. the cycle played out over and over again with trump. it doesn't mean he doesn't settle in. people have various ways of dealing with anxiety and stress. clinton did, obama was the least visible on this, frankly. but people have various ways of dealing with this. trump has never been an elected official before. his first elected office is the presidency. that's a big deal. i think there were a lot of things at play on saturday. i think the problem is not that he's having this kind of sort of episode, but i think the problem
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is that there was nobody around him in the white house who was able to just put a stop to this statement that sean spicer gave that while sean spicer might have dutifully said i'm interested in doing this by all accounts, sean spicer was not eager to go deliver it. >> all right. maggie thank you. everyone stick around. up next as president's claim of voter fraud, is it based on an urban legend by a pro golfer? s make earning bonus cash back so complicated? they limit where you can earn bonus cash back to a few places... ...and those places keep changing every few months. the quicksilver card from capital one doesn't do any of that. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. leave complicated behind. what's in your wallet?
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>> well, don, we talked to a senior administration official earlier this evening who said president trump could sign an executive action as soon as tomorrow to launch this federal investigation into something that most election experts agree is not a problem. which is the issue of widespread voter fraud. it doesn't exist in the u.s. and when we heard president trump talking with david muir with abc earlier this evening he sort of was breaking it down into there are people who live in two different states and registered to vote in two different states. there are people dead on the voting rolls. that's not the same thing he was saying shortly after the election and lawmakers at the reception the other night which is he believes millions of people in the u.s. are voting illegally. and so it's a shift rhetorically in terms of what he's saying about this. what it sounds like he's trying to do is launch an investigation to see if he can prove this claim which is unfounded and has
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never been proven true, that widespread voter fraud exists in the country. apparently the executive action could come as early as tomorrow. >> i've gotten things and you're registered to vote in let's say, georgia, but we understand you moved to new york. >> you're not breaking any law. >> right. that's just what happens. >> right. >> all right. jim. maggie, your paper has a piece out today on what president trump said to congressional leaders when he alleged there were 3 to 5 million illegal votes. he told them a story about a pro golfer barred from voting. can you tell us that story? >> i can. it was broken by my colleague, glenn. it's pretty remarkable, but pretty consistent with what we have seen the president do when he was a candidate. it was a closed door meeting. he began with talking about how he believes there's widespread fraud. it was a let me tell you the story thing. trump is an expert story teller.
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and he told the story of this processional golfer whose name i am going to mangle. he's a german citizen, and he said he had been in line to vote in florida and found himself surrounded in front and behind him in line by people who didn't look, quote, unquote, like they ought to be able to vote, and he then ticked off a list of latin american countries they could have been from. he claimed the golfer had been denied the ability to vote. glenn, my colleague reached the daughter of the golfer and this was apparently he claimed he had this conversation at mar-a-lago over thanksgiving. the daughter gold glenn they're not friends, despite how trump described them. that and this never happened because the golfer is not a u.s. citizen and would not have been trying to vote and seemed
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emphatic about having it be known her father was not friends with trump. the white house said this is a story trump heard. the golfer was describing a friend of his own this happened to, but the story left an impression on trump. it's a telling anecdote on several levels. it's very alarming because it's not based in any fact, and the president is using this as an example of the anecdotal evidence by which he is going on a basis for projecting out multimillions of votes that happen to be the same margin he lost by in the popular vote, but it is the degree to which trump is willing to pass on information that is not entirely either accurate or verified, or proven, and then pass it along incorrectly. it was quite something. >> yeah. kiersten, she's talking about bernhard langer, and "the new york times" writes this.
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ahead of and behind bernhard langer were voters who did not long as if they should be allowed to vote, mr. trump said, according to the staff members, but they were allowed to cast ballots. the president sent out names of latin american countries the voters might have come from. >> some alarming statements considering we have american citizens from countries all over the world. how can you look at somebody and know they shouldn't be allowed to vote? that's very alarming. >> it can't be just based on this anecdote? >> the thing people need to remember is that this is sort of the thing the right wing media focuses on a lot. donald trump did not come up with this story about people voting those voter fraud stories. this is something he's picking up, getting it from right wing outlets. the reason conservatives focus on this is because they use it
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as a justification to clamp down on with voter i.d. laws and things that are voter suppression efforts. you have to have the voter fraud to have the voter suppression. and that's what this is really about. >> and this is, i mean, david, again, we know that this is as kiersten said, this is about much more about voter suppression if there is any sort of strategy to that. even the person in charge would be in charge of a major investigation into voter fraud would be at the house, and they're saying they're not interested in an investigation on this. >> yeah. there's a couple of different explanations for why this story -- why the president put this story out. one of them is just that. to keep alive this idea that there's widespread voter fraud, as a pretext, perhaps, to enact more voter suppression laws going forward toward the 2018 and 2020 elections. if i can go back to the bernhard langer story, though, "the new york times" story casts doubt on
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that story, but -- or on all the details in the story as apparently relayed by the president, but let's say for a moment the president basically had the story right. it's still one instance of potential and strange voter fraud. and as kiersten said, how can someone tell by looking at someone whether or not they're a citizen of the united states. you're talking about one instance of potential voter fraud, and if you listen to the way president trump spoke on the campaign trail and the way he speaks now, many times when he's speaking publicly and is offering evidence of a particular assertion, he starts off by saying i heard or many people are saying or i'm hearing something rather than showing data or specific sets of facts that can be verified by an independent source. >> yeah. this is mostly about voter suppression. not necessarily about voter fraud which there is very little
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tonight the trump administration official telling cnn the president could open an investigation into his claims of voter fraud as early as tomorrow. let's discuss. van jones, a former obama administration official joins us. jeffrey lord, political director in the reagan white house. you did okay jeffrey. and william barber. president of the naacp, always does a great job. president is calling for major investigation into voter fraud. tonight he spoke with abc news with david muir. listen to this. >> what you presented so far has been debunctiked. it's been called false. i called the pew report. >> why did he write the report. he said no evidence of voter
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fraud. >> then he's groveling again. i talk about the reporters that grovel when they want to write something you want to hear but not necessarily millions of people want to hear or have to hear. >> so you'd launch an investigation? >> we're going to launch an investigation to find out, and then the next time -- and i will say this. of those votes cast, none of them come to me. none of them come to me. they would all be for the other side. none of them come can to me, but when you look at the people registered, dead, illegal, and two states and some cases maybe three states? we have a lot to look into. >> okay. this is a very, very important discussion. i want us to be honest about this. i think people are relying on us, obviously. they are for the truth. members of his own party shut this down. his own attorney said there's no fraud or mistake in 2016. why does he insist, the author of the study -- he spoke with
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david muir. there's no evidence of this. >> there's more than this study. i'm looking at a heritage election study. 742 -- have a sampling. 742 criminal convictions. 462 cases. this is all across the country, and they have the names of the individuals, what they were convicted for, when they were convicted. et cetera. >> let's just say -- >> my point is let's find out. the answer is we don't know how many. >> i think people want to know that. even with what you're saying, it does not say thousands, millions of illegals. >> the keyword here was sampling. this was just a sampling. >> wouldn't a sampling say instead of a hundred or 700, millions? >> we have no idea. that's the point. the people said we have no idea how much of this there is. i said find it out. >> i want to hear from the biggest expert on this whole
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thing. you talk about voter suppression, voter fraud, dr. william basher. >> you've dealt with it not only during this election cycle but many years. go on. >> we've been fighting ever since -- jeffrey, you know, call yourself lord, the last time, but come on, brother. listen. we know the guy you're vaukital about has been proven ton fraudulent. they brought him to north carolina. his claims were the same republicans made to justify the worst voter suppression law and the courts ruled against him. said they engaged in surgical voter suppression. that's the issue. 22 states since 2010 have passed voter suppression. voter suppression. 15 states since 2013. we're talking about states where you had some highest turnout of african americans and latinos. where republican led legislators went in and did voter suppression. >> voter i.d., actually. >> voter fraud is a lie.
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voter suppression is alive and well. and the truth is you scratch a lie, you find a thief. the thieves that have stolen elections don't want to deal with this. >> jeffrey just said something i hear a lot of republicans say. when you say voter suppression, they say all they're asking for is a voter i.d. in north carolina was it only about voter i.d.? >> no. it wasn't. it was about 40 changes. they rolled back same day registration and early voting. they passed the worst form of photo i.d., and the court said it was unconstitutional. i heard jeffrey say last night, you buy medicine for an i.d. medicine is not a constitutional right. secondly, people give the last four digits of their social security, the last four digits of their license when they do their voter registration. they have to sign their name. you get a felony if you lie, and there has been no cases of this. no cases.
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this is the same lie that tom tillerson when he was speaker of the house used to justify the worst voter suppression. he used the same voter research who was proven fraudulent. the courts ruled against him. they said there really was no voter fraud. we just want to protect the vote. no, this is about voter suppression. this is about trying to suppress the african american -- we had 868 less voting sites in the black community in 2016 than in 2012. that's what's really going on here. >> you want to respond? i have to get to the break, but do you want to respond? >> i would say voter suppression would mean along other things people who are noncitizens are voting and suppressing the voters of citizens. >> that's not true. voter suppression is when the courts say when you surgically and intentionally suppress african americans and latinos. i'm not talking act my opinion. i'm talking about court proven
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truth. not the lies of donald trump or the lies of the republican party but the courts have ruled unanimously. in our case, two white judges and one african american that the state engaged in racialized voter suppression. they even called apartheid districting. >> fixing. >> well, we took them to court. >> stand by. more on the other side of this break. we'll be right brak. back. play something besides video games. every day is a gift. especially for people with heart failure. but today there's entresto... a breakthrough medicine that can help make more tomorrows possible. tomorrow, i want to see teddy bait his first hook. in the largest heart failure study ever, entresto was proven to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading heart failure medicine. women who are pregnant must not take entresto. it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby.
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back now. a source within the trump administration telling cnn the president could launch an investigation into his claims of voter fraud as early as tomorrow. van jones and jeffrey lord and reverend barber are with me. we also have an author michael erik. professor, thank you so much. van, the president also said that all the votes go to the
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other side. the cnn is reporting that steve bannon and steve mnuchin are both registered in two states. it doesn't mean they voted in both states. >> no. some good can come out of this, i hope. if you want to have an honest conversation about voting in america and you look at it seriously, what you will find will be shocking. we don't have a great voting system, and the poorer you are, the more rural you are, the tougher your neighborhood is from the urban point of view, the less able you are to exercise your vote. so it's going to turn out that when you look into this, the people that will benefit will be low income people and people of color. that's who is having a hard time voting. unfortunately, the conversation is starting off in a ridiculous place. >> it's being framed in a manner -- >> it's unfortunate. it used to be that presidents said i'm going to go into states
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where human beings are being stopped from voting. now we have a president who says i'm going to go into states where phantoms are voting when they shouldn't be. we can rescue it, but it's bad. >> listen, you heard the president refer to this report, jeffrey and dr. barber and michael, you heard that in the interview with david muir. one of the authors of that study has been talking to cnn all day. listen to his response. >> this is not something that hasn't been looked at. the bush administration doj looked at this. the federal election commission looked at this. secretaries of states look at this regularly throughout the election cycle. john houston does it every two years. the republican secretary of state of louisiana does it adds well. they've all come to the same conclusion. it does not result in fraudulent
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ballots being cost. and in the five years since the report the voter lists have gotten much better thanks to is fine work of election officials across the country to use data and technology to make sure they keep up with people's mobility. >> and dr., cnn confirmed statements that there's no voter fraud from the secretary of state from massachusetts, colorado, arizona, vermont, louisiana, ohio and california. what's going on here? what's your reaction? >> well, i think it's symptomic of this president's inability to square reality with fantasy. the word empirical means that which can be falsified through the census. if you have a claim about a particular truth, then proof the proof. he has none. he projects out of fantasy what he wants to be the case and asserts it and expects everybody to fall in line. the reality is as much as putin was a problem in terms of hacking, here's something that
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we need to confront. that the real hacking problem, the real problem with voting in this last election happens to be as van said earlier, with people of color, elderly people in certain regions of this country who were denied access to voting polls because of voter i.d. laws, and a whole host of energy and efforts that were directed toward poor people and people of color. the reality is this reinforces the damage that is done to those communities. i hope like van that some spotlight will be put on them, but i fear that in all of this madness, that what we end up seeing is that donald trump is living in a fantasy world. the president of the united states of america exercising power as the most powerful man in the world is going by delusion as opposed to fact, and that is undermining and circumventing the flourishing of the democracy he leads. >> let me focus on an area of
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agreement. i have a 97-year-old mom voting all her life. when pennsylvania passed the i.d. law. she no longer drives. i had to take her to get it looks like a license but she can't drive, so it's an i.d. supplied by the commonwealth of pennsylvania. i don't see any reasons why state governments don't send someone to your house. if you can't do it, if there's some economic reason or age related reason, go to your house and take the picture. how hard is that? i mean, i do think we have to take care of this. >> dr. barber. >> the problem is we've had elections all the way since 2008. this happens after obama was elected. all of a sudden there's a problem with fraud. when the states like north carolina, it's not about photo i.d. in north carolina they rolled back same day registration and early voting and lied about
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fraud to pass a photo i.d., a strict form of photo i.d. they lied people didn't have some form of i.d. when they first registered to vote. it's a long discussion, but we ought to be talking about restoring the voting rights act, dealing with voter suppression that has been proven in the courts. that's what we should be dealing with. and opening up access to the democracy. >> and as the outgoing president, president obama said we should be trying to get as many people make it easier for people to vote as possible to get people into the voting process. our conversation continues on the other side of this break. 1930's cop,
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contradiction in conservatives who usually exceed to the legitimacy of states rights. and at the same time the imposition of federal rule and law at the behest of the presidency suggests interesting contradictions. i think cities around this country have to recognize that with a presidency that's echoed surprisingly narrow definitions of what it means to be an american and exploded a conception of diversity that wants to build bridges and not walls, i think that politicians have to stand up to president trump and remind him that this is a citizenry predicate on the democracy and to opening the borders to receive all those who would come into this country to strengthen it since coerced immigration make up the bulk of this country and its greatness. >> he's saying he's going to send in the feds. do you give him credit about wanting to do something about it? he says i'll send in the feds.
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do you give him any credit? >> i give him credit for wanting to do something about it. but when the presence of the feds comes, it criminalizes an entire population of people so they become casualties of that war. number two, if they don't make distinctions between people who are likely to commit a particular crime and those who hasn't, it exacerbates the problem. and after the troops leave, what has it done to address the underlying problems, some of the things i talk about in my book. the lack of access to capital, the war zones of these enclaves of ghettos and slums. what about the closing of schools? what about the denial of opportunity educationally? what about job creation? those are some of the things that donald trump if he were a smart president, he would say he would bring his entrepreneurial might to remove the blight as opposed to imposing federals. >> van jones? ? there is an opportunity here.
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i think the democrats have done a miserable job of dealing with poverty for their constituents in urban areas. republicans have done a miserable job of dealing with rural poverty. both parties have let down the poor. even if a conversation starts in a bad place, and i think talking about sending in the feds is the worst place. the conversation has been started. i think it can open doors for people with solutions. i would love to see a jack kemp kind of approach. i don't want to see a military approach. the fact the president is talking about this could be a good thing. >> a good thing. exactly. as somebody who worked for jack kemp, when i worked for him, he had a point of making those of us who worked for him go into the cities and talk to people and have a better understanding of the problem. the first thing to do is stop the carnage, and then as dr. dyson is saying, there are other things that can be done. >> and i'll give you the last word, dr. barber. >> we need a real revolution of
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values. we have to deal with the dwesment in the communities. we had 10,000 clergy that offered to meet with president trump. he got the letter. they never responded. these are serious issues. voting, poverty, and it's not any one party dealing with the issues and fixing the problem. and we need to do that, but we can't have somebody dealing more in lies than the truth. >> thank you to you all. we'll have you back more to talk about the book dr. dyson. we'll be right back.
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