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this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news, president trump sitting down for his first television interview since becoming commander in chief less than a week ago. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. the president touching on topics including his claim of voter fraud in election. his executive order to begin building a wall on the border with mexico and his claim that techniques such as waterboarding produce results. we'll talk about all of that.
i want to go to jim acosta, dana bash and gloria borger. dana, let's listen to what he said about the cia. >> you took some heat after your visit to the cia. in front of the hallowed wall 117 stars of those lost at the cia. you talked about other things, but you also talked about crowd size at the inauguration, about the size of your rallies, about covers on time magazine. and i just want to ask you when does all of that matter just a little less? when you do you let it roll off your back? >> i'm glad you asked. i went to the cia. i have great respect for the people of cia and intelligence. i don't have respect for one of leaders, but that's okay, but i have a lot of respect for the people in the cia. that speech was a home run. that speech, if you look at fox, okay? i'll mention. see what fox said. they said it was one of the
great speeches. they showed the people applauding and screaming. they were all cia. somebody was asking sean were they trump people? they were cia people. that location was given to me. mike pence went up before me, i then went up and paid homage to the wall. i then spoke to the crowd. i got a standing owe vags. >> you would give the same speech if you went back? >> absolutely. people loved it. they gave me a standing occasion for a long period of time. there was love in the room. you and other networks covered it inaccurately. i hate to say this to you, and you probably won't turn it on, but turn on fox and see how people responded to the speech. that speech was a good speech, and you and a couple of other networks tried to down play that speech. >> dana, it seems like he's asking us not to believe what we saw and heard because we aired
it live, and he's also asking us to pander to a certain narrative which journalists don't do. we put out what he said. we played it live, and the reaction is what it is. >> right. he's talking about the reaction in the room, and, look, he might be right about that. this was a saturday where it was not a workday. it was a lottery based audience, people who worked for the cia who wanted to go got their names into a lottery. by definition it was a self-selecting crowd. regardless of that, even if they were on their feet cheering and whistling, it doesn't answer the question about knowing the place and knowing the moment and playing to the moment. despite the fact that he clearly had a lot of supporters in the room. and the question about whether or not that was not just presidential but also respectful to the 117 people who lost their
lives whose stars represented their lives and the lives they lost in duty for the cia. that is the complaint that many people in the intelligence community had. period. >> and gloria, and jim, that's his beat to report on intelligence. he's been reporting there are plenty of people not in that room who did not have a favorable reaction. >> yeah. as it was going on and i was getting e-mails myself from people who have served in the intelligence community who were completely offended by the fact that the president was giving what amounted to a political speech or a campaign speech in front of that hallowed wall. they felt it was completely inappropriate, and that he should have known better. and that it's one of those moments when you have to decide whether you're still a candidate or you're actually president of the united states. and so for them, it was quite
disappointing. i agree with dana, there were people in the room applauding, and that's fine. and they were also, by the way, the people i heard from were taken aback by that, because they didn't feel that the applause was appropriate either since it wasn't a campaign rally. >> right. >> all right. jim, it got a lot of attention when he was at the cia on saturday, and he talked about maybe having another chance to take iraq's oil. let's listen to what he said about that tonight. >> well, we should have kept the oil when we got out. it's interesting. had we taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis. they fuel themselves with the oil. >> you believe we can go in and take the oil? >> we should have taken the oil. you wouldn't have isis. >> you've heard the critics that say that breaks international law. >> can you believe that? who are the critics that say that? fools. i call them fools. we should have kept -- excuse me. we should have taken the oil and if we took the oil, you wouldn't
have isis. and we would have had wealth. we have spent right now $6 trillion in the middle east, and our country is falling apart. >> what got my attention, mr. president is when you said maybe we'll have chance. >> well, don't let it get your attention too much. we'll see what happens. i mean, we're going to see what happens. >> so, jim, international law, he down played that and said we would have no isis and maybe another chance. everything that comes out of the president's mouth is -- it should be heavily weighed and thought about and not only the american people but people around the world are looking to him to figure out what happens next with the country that leads the world. >> that's right, jodon. donald trump talked about the idea of taking the oil during the iraq war during the campaign. let's back up and paint the picture of what that might have been like. so the united states goes into iraq in 2003 based on the
premise of weapons of mass destruction. the united states doesn't find them. and what the president of the united states right now is saying is during that military operation the u.s. should have seized iraqi's oil, and basically made it part of the u.s. treasury. that is the kind of conversation that i can tell you right now a lot of republicans on capitol hill, they do not want to hear the president talking like this. especially after he spent the last few days involved in these very damaging distractions whether it's about the inauguration crowd size or it's about these baseless allegations of voter fraud that occurred in the 2016 election. i mean, don, the idea of taking the oil during the iraq war sounds like something the british empire would have done. why the president feels he has to relitigate these arguments, nobody is having them but them.
he says his critics are fools. he's saying a lot of republicans on capitol hill are fools for believing that's not a good idea. >> i think you're right, and what david muir said is right about international law. but this isn't just about law. this is about what is morally right and who americans are, and what they stand for. and the leader of the american people right now, the president of the united states, saying that, you know, he said to the victor goes the spoils, and that's not morally the way the united states has acted both domestically and internationally, more importantimportan importantly in modern times. it happened when the pilgrims and others came to this country and we know what happened with native americans, and we've been apologized for the last several hundred years for that rightly
so. why would we act like that in modern times in a place like iraq. >> gloria, i want to talk about refuge refugees. >> i wanted to follow up on dana a little bit. it's the same kind of thinking when you talk about torture. because this is not something this country does. it's something that has been debated vociferously since 9/11, and laws have been passed about it. and we now know it is against our laws to torture. and, yet, donald trump raises it again and says i'm going to pay attention to general mattis and i'm going to pay attention to mike pompeo, my new cia director, but i actually believe we should do it. when, in fact, as president of the united states he needs to acknowledge that this country has had a long debate about it, and it is not what we do.
>> yeah. let's talk about refugees or listen to what he said. this is a contentious issue. gloria, you'll be first. listen. >> you're about to sign a sweeping executive action to suspend immigration. >> right. it's not the muslim ban. it's countries that have terror terror and countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in who in many cases or some cases are looking to do tremendous destruction. i have a list. you'll be very thrilled. you're looking at people that come in in many cases -- in some cases with evil intentions. i don't want that. they're isis. they're coming you should false pretense. i don't want that. i'm going to be the president of a safe country. we have enough problems. now, i'll absolutely do safe zones in syria for the people.
i think that europe has made a tremendous mistake by allowing these millions of people to go into germany and various other countries and all you have to do is take a look. it's a disaster what's happening over there. i don't want that to happen here. now, with that being said, president obama and hillary clinton and kerry have allowed tens of thousands of people into our country. the fbi is now investigating more people than ever before having to do with terror. and it's from the group of people that came in. look, look, our country has a lot of problems. believe me. i know what the problems are. even better than you do. they're deep and serious problems. we don't need more. >> yeah. he should know better than a news anchor. he's a leader of the free world now, but is he accurate in his assessment there? >> well, look, this is something we heard from him throughout the
campaign. and he's talked about extreme v vetting, and he says the fbi is doing more investigations. that's because intelligence and the systems are better and because the vetting is getting better. as we all know, it is not perfect. the one thing we did not hear him say and we're waiting to see what this executive order looks like. we did not hear him talk about a religious ban. which he talked about in the campaign, and then recanted on it. he is talking about not letting in refugees from countries that want to do damage to us or something to that effect. so we're going to have to wait and see what that is and who is on that list because as we all know, not everyone from every country wants to do damage to us. and so we have to kind a take a look at the specifics but none of this actually surprises me.
>> jim yar, you're at the white house. what are they saying? >> this is a debatable point. if donald trump wants to get away from talking about taking the oil in iraq and talk about what to do about syria, i think that is a conversation that a lot of people want to have up on capitol hill. and i think he's going to have a lot of willing participants in that conversation. this whole issue of creating safe zones in syria, he is quite right. that is a potential solution here that a lot of people are recommending on both sides of the aisle. whether or not that would have prevented humanitarian catastrophes that we're seeing unfold in syria is another question, but i think what you're going to hear from the president in the coming days, we were expecting this new executive order to come down tomorrow. it may be coming on friday according to white house press secretary, but it is going to deal with this idea of suspending the refugee program, really stopping that syrian refugee program and putting new
restrictions on visas for people coming from parts of the world that are predominantly muslim, and whether or not that is muslim ban registry light, that is going to be a conversation, a discussion that people are going to be having in this town, but at the same time it is something that this president is very serious about. these are the things that were talked about during the campaign, don. elections have consequences. what we've seen this week from tpp to building a wall on the mexican border to suspended the refugee program which is something we expect. these are things donald trump said he would do, and he's giving on the promises. >> he is. >> i was going to say this is completely litigated during the general election. whether people voted on that or not, it's up to each vote tore decide, but now president trump was extremely clear about his views on the refugee crisis and then during the general election campaign he changed it from an
overall muslim ban to specific countries and specific regions. and as he said in this interview tonight, that's what he plans on doing. >> yeah. he's doing exactly what he said. thank you, everyone. i appreciate that. we'll be right back. audi pilotless vehicles have conquered highways, mountains, and racetracks. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4. with one notable difference... ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with available traffic jam assist. ♪
(other languages spoken) look abbot, i got it. it's a miracle. ♪ the president giving his first net work interview since becoming the commander in chief. i want to bring in kayleigh mcenany, kevin madden, and bakari sellers in a moment. welcome to the new folks to the panel, gloria was here earlier. an dana. >> i want to ask about undocumented immigrants who are here in this country. right now they're protected as so-called dreamers.
the children brought here by their parents. should they be worried that they could be deported, and is there anything you can say to assure them right now that they'll be allowed to stay? >> they shouldn't be very worried. they are here illegally. identify big heart. we're going to take care of everybody. we're going to have a strong and solid border where you have great people that are here that have done a good job. they should be far less worried. we'll be coming out with policy over the next period of four weeks. >> hillary, how do you think dreamers are feeling hearing of that. >> they shouldn't be very worried, just a little worried. what does that mean? let's be clear. there are 75,000 young people in this country who fall into this category of dreamers. people who have been allowed to stay, to have an education, most of them are in universities and colleges around the country. many are graduating now looking forward to jobs, and they are in
limbo. this program needs to be renewed on an ongoing basis. the first round of these so-called dreamers are up now for renewal of their visas and if they don't get them, they're not going to be able to find jobs. so this notion that they shouldn't be worried because people aren't going to come after them doesn't help them. they have to get their permits renewed, and families deserve to have this kind of certainty. and i think the president in that interview was trying to have it both ways instead of being concrete about what he's going to do. >> kayleigh, is this a broken promise to trump supporters? >> i don't think so. donald trump said it was never his intent to harm anyone. i think that's right. barack obama didn't get all of his agenda. you have to set priorities. president trump has priorities. the number one priority is getting criminal illegal aliens out of our country who have
taken the lives of many american citizens. he set priorities. i think people confuse the fact that because republicans support the rule of law we're intent on harming children. that was never the intent, and donald trump is right to make that his last priority. >> kevin, the president was asked about his replacement for obama care. let's take a look at that. >> what my plan is is that i want to take care of everybody. i'm not going to leave the lower 20% that can't afford insurance. just so you understand, people talk about obama care. and i told the republicans this. the best thing we can do is nothing for two years, let it explode and then we'll do a new plan and the democrats will vote for it. this year you'll have 150% increases. last year in arizona, 116% increase. minnesota 60% increase. i told them, exempt for one problem, i want to get it fixed. the best thing i could do as the leader of this country, but as
wanting to get something approved with support of the democrats, if i didn't do anything for two years, they'd be begging me to do something. i don't want to do that. just so you understand, obama care is a disaster. it's too expensive. it's horrible health care. it doesn't cover what you have to cover. it's a disaster. >> but, yet, kevin, since obama care has been enacted republicans have been saying they want to repeal it. there's nothing to replace it with. >> right. this is one of the challenges the president is probably going to realize now in his first few days in office. the rhetoric of a campaign is always much more easier -- much easier than the reality of governing. he's right in the sense and he ran on it and won because of a promise to repeal obama care. it had a negative impact on a lot of health care populations around the country. costs and premiums were spiking
right toward the election. it had a critical impact on how people voted. and as a result we have a republican congress that's now ready and poised to repeal obama care. i think the challenge now is where the president says he wants to cover everybody. well, the details on how you do that are quite difficult. trying to achieve universal coverage is very different from trying to get people universal access to coverage. and that is going to be a continuing challenge for them in the first 200 days as they work toward the repeal and then the replacement. >> dana, isn't that originally what democrats wanted for obama care, everyone to be covered? >> sure. and donald trump as a businessman wrote a book when he was thinking about running for president the first time as an independent that he was for the single payer. that's something that even some democrats think is too far to
the left. sure. absolutely. and i think like kevin said, i interviewed then candidate trump toward the beginning of his campaign about a month in and he was very, very clear. i want to make sure that people are covered as much as possible. and i think he's fundamentally believing that. and fundamentally believes obama care is broken. figuring out how to do the former and do the latter is about the hardest thing you could possibly do at this point. >> and don, it's just worth pointing out that his new secretary of house human services, congressman price over the last couple of days of testimony on capitol hill refused to make the same promise that president trump made tonight again about covering people and not letting people be thrown off the roles. that's because congressman price knows more about the policies and how hard it is to keep that
promise than president trump knows, and so there will be an ongoing conflict here. they're not going to be to help -- >> i have to get to the break. i'm going to talk to you guys about how he's comparing a major american city to afghanistan. we'll be right back. oh, look! we've got fees ew, really? oh, it's our verizon bill look at them. line access fee, administrative fees, there are even taxes on top of them. decent people shouldn't have to live like this
new president covering a lot of ground in his first network interview as commander in chief. back with me now, our panel. bakari, let's ask you about this. you're first. the president weighed in tonight on the violence in chicago. listen. >> in my speech, i got tremendous from certain people, the word carnage. it is carnage. it's horrible carnage. this is afghanistan is not like what's happening in chicago. people are being shot left and right. thousands of people over a period -- over a short period of time. this year which is has just started is worse than last year which was a catastrophe. they're not doing the job.
now, if they want help, i would love to help them. i will send in what we have to send in. maybe they're not going to have to be so politically correct. maybe they're being overly politically correct. maybe there's something going on. but you can't have the killings going on in chicago. chicago is like a war zone. chicago is worse than some of the people that you report and some of the places that you report about every night. in the middle east. >> bakari? >> well, i think first and foremost, i think that donald trump actually got something right, but not on the micro level in dealing with chicago, but we do have a gun violence problem in this country. the fact is that chicago has the most homicides. they have one-third the rate per capita of a city like new orleans ranked above it is place like milwaukee, buffalo, atlanta, miami and the such. we have a problem with gun violen violence, but didn't hear a solution. send the feds in. i don't know what that means. is he going to send in a militia
or impose a marshal law? what needs to happen is that we need to treat this gun violence, especially in places like chicago as a public health crisis. we need studies to see the root cause and rebuild communities. and while we rebuild communities across the world, we need to rebuild the communities and give these many times young african american males outlets other than gangs and violence. i'm no fan of emanuel. i asked him to resign about a year ago. i'm not beholding to any democrat or anybody else in the country. but what i am saying is that if we're going to do this and tackle this, we need real solutions. i'm sick and tired of the red meat rhetoric used to rile up a base. >> you have to stop. isn't it most important to stop the killing and the violence and then work on the other parts? no? >> with all due respect, that's
inverse of the way it can be done. you can't say we're going to put a stop to the violence without addressing the school to prison pipe lean and the drugs in the community or addressing the fact there are no extracurricular activities for these kids to do in the summer when you're out of school, there's nothing stood. there are no jobs or opportunities. you can't just stop the violence without addressing the underlying problem. gun violence in this country is a public health crisis. >> rahm e emanuel has plenty of problems in the city of chicago. now he has more. he has the president of the united states saying i'm going to send in the feds, i think he would think that's the last thing he needs in the world right now to help him solve his crime problem. and the city of chicago like many major cities feel under assault on immigration and on the question of sanctuary cities and what happens to their immigrant population and what happens to their federal funding
with the sanctuary cities. it's not just chicago. although the president and rahm emanuel seem to have something going on back and forth. a lot of cities feel this way, particularly with immigration. this is something the new president is going to have to deal with with big city mayors. >> yeah. i think i'm encouraged to hear president trump pointing out this huge problem. we've had 25 days in january and more killings in chicago than days in the new year. it's horrendous. i agree with bakari. you have to address the underlying problem. that's why i was encouraged to have a republican nominee, the first two my recollection who presented a plan for urban renewal and a plan to go into inner cities and wants to address this. i hope he take this is seriously and makes it one of the top points of his agenda to give
incentives for businesses to move there. i agree. when you address the underlying problem, that's how you solve a lot of the violence. >> kevin, go ahead. >> i think this answer to this question was essentially like a case study and why donald trump actually is probably winning the public policy debate on this. when he used the term political correctness, he's trying to set up a world view that he had that i think he thinks a lot of the country has about some of the problems in inner cities. when you hear people say we have a public health care crisis, i think what most americans will say is no, we have a law and order crisis. that's where i'm coming in with a degree of clarity and a sense of better solutions to solve the problems. i think there's an underlying and much more technical and complex underlying public policy debate. i think that's why he breaks through and wins the day in some
of these arguments? >> he might. can i raise a quick point. there is a law and order crisis, but there is also a community crisis here as bakari said. donald trump has to look at this both ways. he can't just take on the mayor and the community. he also has to do with law and order in chicago wants. the police union wants to take on the nra to really focus on -- >> i'm out of time. bakari, one quick point. >> i need to say this. chicago and the young people in chicago feel as if they have no place to go, it's not afghanistan. and to castigate young people, many people of color as afghanistan as terrorism, it's just not right, and that type of language, to kevin's point may rile up the base, but it alienates people who want to fix the problem. >> remember the chicago mayor was at trump tower during the
transition. they had a conversation about a whole lot of things, but obviously it's hard to imagine the violence in chicago not being one of them. it wouldn't be surprising if it's counterintuitive if the mayor of chicago wouldn't mind donald trump getting involved. it takes the heat off of him the mayor and puts the focus on the president. >> if you read between the lines with his statement, it sounds like what you said, dana. it sounds like he doesn't mind if the feds come in. >> not so sure about that. coming up, can president trump keep up his me versus the media strategy for four years?
20 page transcript. at least a dozen clear falsehoods, things that aren't debatable. he's saying the crowd size was the largest ever. he's continuing to say voter fraud is a rampant problem with millions of illegal votes. this is shocking material. and david muir pushed back at some points. he's in an impossible position checking it in realtime. >> he's doing a lot of executive orders in his first week, and it's not for the self-inflected wounds, that's what we would be discussing. >> it's a big if, these self-inflicted wounds. i think there's a sub text that is unlike anything that i have seen in 50 years of being a reporter. and that is that i am hearing from republicans and other reporters are as well, that there is open discussion by members of the president of the united states' own party about his emotional maturity, spaeb
stability. people are saying his psyche is driving the news cycle. we are in unchartered territory. it's a really fruitful area. i've never heard talking about a president the way this sub text is now talking. >> after six days. >> after six days. >> it's a hard thing to talk about. it's a hard thing to discuss. you don't want to go there in your mind. >> it's not the whole story. kellyanne conway talked about alternative facts. what we're seeing is an alternative universe here that we've never been in this territory where trump's statements are so out of sync with real existing facts? >> but what he has said, and he mentioned it in the interview -- and what kellyanne conway has said and what sean spicer both side -- that they don't get deference. that's their words.
the media tends to look at them a critical eye from a negative point of view. he mentioned as much about the cia speech at head quarters. listen to this. >> i'm glad you asked. i went to the cia. my first stop. i have great respect for the people in intelligence and cia. i don't have a lot of respect for in particular one of the leaders, but that's okay. but i have a lot of respect for the people in the cia. that speech was a home run. that speech if you look at fox, okay? i'll mention -- we see what fox said. they say it was one of the great speeches. they show the people aflaweding and screening, and they were all cia. somebody was asking sean, were they trump people? we don't have trump people. they were cia people. that location was given to me. mike pence went up before me, paid homage to the wall. i then did it. i then spoke to the crowd. i got a standing ovation. >> you would give the same speech if you went back?
>> absolutely. >> what is he saying there? is he asking us to pander? >> no. he's giving us an alternative universe that is totally at odds with the facts. >> and fox news. >> let me talk about fox for a minute. fox has a special responsibility in this environment. look, they can have a philosophical agreement with the right wing, but there are good reporters at fox, and they have to call out lies by the president of the united states and by his spokes people. and when fox starts to do that with regularity, it will help restore restore all of the press to the credibility it deserves. >> fox reported today there is no evidence of voter fraud to the degree that -- and that he's the one person there. >> i think fox has a special responsibility. as does cnn to some degree knowing the president is watching all the at the same time. cnn, fox, "the new york times,"
the new york post, these are the outlets trump is consuming. there's a special responsibility to get it right and make sure he has the facts. why is he focussed on chicago? bill o'reilly was talking about chicago. he said your network covered it inaccurately. he said i hate to say it to you but turn on fox. he's preferring the narrative at fox sugar coating things. he also said about the cia speech, i got to find it. they said it was the biggest standing ovation since peyton manning won the super bowl. they said it was equal. it happen for the a long period of time. >> this is why republicans in going to philadelphia today are talking to each other about his emotional maturity, stability. look, we have a situation here. where today the president of the united states told david muir, our country is falling apart. this is extraordinary. this is a broad brush, a tar
brush the likes of which i've never heard of. >> the last president left the country in pretty good standing. >> it's easy to get in as a refugee. it's not. >> our country is falling apart. one of the things i think people like about donald trump and one of the reasons he was elected in this remarkable victory we all have to acknowledge he pulled off is that he spoke a different language that connected with people without a lot of politics on top. and it's very appealing. but when you go to these places, when you start talking about the country as falling apart without any leavening of the real existing situation of america, the great strength we have, where our economy actually is with its weaknesses, where our people are, this is not what the president of the united states ought to be saying in terms of the people of the country, foreign leaders, the way we are pictured. it's wrong, and it, too, is a
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here's what he said. >> i said it, and i said it strongly. because what's going on with voter fraud is horrible. that's number one. number two, i would have won the popular vote if i was campaigning for the popular vote. i would have gone to california where i didn't go at all. i would have gone to new york where i didn't campaign at all. i would have gone to a couple of places that i didn't go to, and i would have won that much easier than winning the electoral college. but the electoral college is all that matters. >> what's your reaction? >> i'm not going to say my reaction. i'm going to quote a senior republican. it was delusional. that was his word. that is what the conversation is about among supporters of this president. he is saying things that they regard as delusional, lies, and they're perplexed and they're bothered. look, mike pence, a republican, right-wing, flame-thrower, is
now regarded by the republican party as the way to moderate this president. that's also being discussed in philadelphia tonight. there's something going on here. it's about the personality and ways of donald trump. maybe we'll get used to them. maybe we won't. but right now, there are a lot of people who are disjointed by what he's doing, and they tend to be in his own party. >> i got a question for you, but go ahead. >> i do appreciate that trump confirmed on the record his bleefedz about this. this was originally anonymously sourced. then from sean spicer, and now from the president in his own words, talking about this conspiracy theory. david muir, do you think your words matter more now? donald trump, very much, yes, yes. he's right about that, his words do matter more now, but the rest of the interview didn't reflect that. >> i can hear the chorus of people, the people at home don't
care about this. >> the people, many of them care, we have a divided country, but he may be pushing away people who he thinks support him if he keeps lying and going to delusional ideas. >> and we should not be concerned about what people think -- >> oh, you mean as reporters? >> look, we need to do our job, and we need more investigative reporting on his conflicts of interest, his business holdings, his trips, where he's been, in the russian-speaking world. we got a lot of work to do, as well as we need to fairly cover his programs, his speeches, his accomplishments. we have to give him the benefit of the doubt in some cases where he thinks he's being effective. let's go see if he is. we need to cover him like reporters. >> seltzer and bernstein. it has a ring to it. thanks so much for watching. i'll see you right back here tomorrow. multiple symptoms. ♪
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good evening. hope you had a great day. thanks for joining us. there's no shortage of news tonight. it's been that way every day since trump took office. he's been signing orders and also dealing with controversy after making two false claims since taking office. now some of president trump's supporters on this program and elsewhere, have said those false claims aren't really a story. they say our focus should be just on those executives actions. well, we think the fact is, we can do both and we will do both, as we've been doing since president trump took office. it's a big deal when the president of the united states says things that aren't true. we believe words and facts matter. it's also a big deal when a new president s