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welcome to "new day." it's thursday, january 26. 8:00 in the east. up first, president trump's plan to build a wall is rattling relations between both countries and with congress who is going to have to find billions to build it. in his first major interview as president, mr. trump says he will begin construction on the wall in months and insists without any details that mexico is going to pay for it. >> mexico's president slamming mr. trump's plan saying they will not pay pour the wall. the two have a planned meeting next week at the white house. president trump also vowing to investigate what he calls voter fraud and says waterboarding absolutely works, end quote. so much to discuss on day seven. let's begin with sara murray live at the white house. >> reporter: good morning, alisyn. tensions are already beginning to rise between the u.s. and mexico has donald trump moves forward with his border wall. that's not the only place he's breeding tension.
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we're seeing cries of alarm from democrats and republicans on capitol hill as donald trump touts the values of torture. >> we'll be reimburse bid mexico. >> so they'll pay us back? >> 100%. >> reporter: reiterating his promise that merks co-will pay for the border wall, but offering few details. hours after signing an executive order directing fed rald funds to build the wall. >> we'll be reimbursed at a later day. that wall will cost us nothing. >> reporter: his rhetoric is ramping up pressure on the mexican president, facing calls at home to cancel next tuesday's meeting with trump. pena nieto defiantly responding to the u.s. president in a video address to the nation, saying mexico does not believe in walls and it won't pay for one. president trump continuing to pedal the false claim that voter fraud caught him the popular
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vote. >> people registered who are dead, illegals, in two states. there are millions of votes in my opinion. >> reporter: rowing to launch a major investigation he erroneously citing a pew report. >> i talk about the reporters that gravel when they want to write something that you want to hear but not necessarily millions of people want to hear or have to hear. >> reporter: voting officials in both parties across the country say there's no truth to trump's claims of widespread fraud, but there is evidence of outdated voter rolls, ttreasury secretar mnuchin and president chief strategist steve bannon were each registered to vote in two states on election day. "the washington post" reports that the president's daughter tiffany was also registered in two states. president trump digging in on
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another controversial campaign promise, his pledge to bring back waterboarding. >> i want to do everything within the wounbunds of what yo allowed to do legally. when they're chopping off the heads of people because they happen to be a christian in the middle east, when isis is doing things that nobody has ever heard of since medieval times, would i feel strongly about waterboarding as far as i'm concerned? we have to fight fire with fire. >> reporter: trump's tough talk extending to chicago as well, where he says he'll send the feds to combat violence. >> it is carnage. it's horrible core naj. this is -- afghanistan is not like what's happening in chicago. people are being shot left and right. thousands of people over a short period of time. i don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially i'm the president.
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so all i'm saying is to the mayor who came up to my office recently, i say you have to smarten up and you have to toughen up because you can't let that happen. that's a war zone. >> reporter: now, donald trump has a very busy day ahead of him. he will be headed to philadelphia to meet with republicans who are going to be on a retreat there. that's an opportunity for his gop allies to ask him about these voter fraud allegations. that's something where you can see executive action from the president today as he moves forward with that investigation. we're also expecting to see executive actions on trade. back to you, chris. >> interesting question, sara. will the members of his party take the president on on some of these wild claims. joining us congressman bob goodlatte of virginia, chairman of the house judiciary committee. good to see you. >> good morning. >> congressman, how do you think that the president will get you and your companions in congress to put billions of dollars
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towards building a wall that is factually not the heart of the problem with immigration? >> well, it is certainly one part of the problem, and it's not just immigration. it's also all kinds of other problems with drug smuggling and other things coming across that border. the congress voted a decade ago, the secure fence act, to build the wall. the question of exactly how you build it, whether you put a wall across the entire border, whether you have roads and use other technology to enforce parts of it, where it has been built, it has helped the situation. so building more wall is something that i think you're going to find very strong support for in the congress. >> even though you now have negative flow into this country, you have more people leaving. even though the process became -- >> wait a minute. you have negative flow from mexico. you have negative flow from a country whose economy has grown
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significantly in part because american jobs have been transferred to mexico. but that has been replaced by huge numbers of people coming from central america, and now all over the world, coming to mexico and then migrating into the united states across that border. >> how do the overwhelming majority of undocumented people who wind up being in the u.s. illegally get to the united states? >> well, more than half of them got here by coming across that border. a substantial border came legally and simply overstayed their visas. >> more than half come by plane, more than half overstay visas. those are the facts. you have negative flow over the border, huge lawsuit and litigation that will create billions of dollars in expense between construction, litigation and maintenance. is that a good sell to the american people for a priority of their tax dollars? >> well, i think you have to address this both from -- the
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president issued two executive orders this week, right? one of them does crack down on that interior enforcement problem that you just cited, and the other addresses the border, not from the standpoint of building the wall. it addresses it from the catch and release problem. i've been down to the border and stood there with border patrol officers who are excited about now having the opportunity to actually enforce the law. they didn't try to evade them, they came right up to them and turned themselves in, knowing they were going to be released by the last administration into the interior of the country, told to return for a hearing some day. many of them never return. this is not just about a wall, but a wall is a component of solving this problem. >> in the bush administration about half the people who got taken out of the country got taken out because they committed crimes here. now it's over 90%. what does that tell you about whether or not things have gotten better or worse in terms of dealing with the real threat
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which are people who are here, undocumented, who then commit crimes. you deal with them more now than ever. >> i don't agree with that. >> that's the numbers, 50% from 2009, 90-plus percent in this dhs report from last year. >> i'll have to see those numbers. >> happy to send them to you. >> the number i'm aware of, there are more than 300,000 criminal aliens that are on the streets in the united states because the obama administration has not made it a priority to remove them and send them out of the country as they should. >> but you do know -- how do you square that with the fact that the numbers of people who have been taken out for criminal activity have gone up, not down? >> well, you can send me that information, and i'll be happy to take a look at it. i am glad we have a president who is committed to making sure that criminal aliens and people who violate the law are sent out
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of the country and sent out as expeditiously as possible. i don't believe it has been a priority of the obama administration, and i think the facts will back me up. >> it will be interesting to see what is done and how it makes it better. obviously the goal is something we share, we want as few criminals in our midsts as possible. >> absolutely. >> were you aware that your state has rampant voter fraud that helped cost the president the popular vote in the last election? >> first of all, we have a long history of doing things with regards to votes. first of all, making sure law abiding citizens have access to registration and voting, but also making sure that their vote counts properly. we have a long history of voter fraud in this country. there's a congressional district in the state of virginia where the joke was for many years that people want to be buried there so they can remain active in politics. just this election cycle, in my congressional district, an organization affiliated with the
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democratic party was registering dead people to vote. so this is something that does need to be examined. i'm glad the president wants to do that. i'm also glad with regard to this election, the popular vote in individual states was properly counted. we saw recounts requested by democrats that confirmed that the vote was properly counted and that he won the election in the electoral college. >> right. but his suggestion, the president, is that your state contributed to some three to 5 million illegals, as he calls them, voting against him costing him the popular vote. do you agree with the president? >> i don't know the facts. i think we should make sure the kind of investigation he's talking about, to review whether or not our voting practices are making sure the people are not lawfully entitled to vote are not voting and dead people are not being registered and having other people show up and casting a coat on their behalf, those are things worth looking at. but it does not affect the
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outcome of this election because the popular vote is not the final determinative of who is elected president of the united states. >> understood. congressman, good luck in philadelphia. please come back and talk to us after you get down there and let us know what you had as a meeting of the minds, what the consensus is for the party going forward? >> thank you. we'll hear from the president, the vice president and, for the first time, a foreign prime minister, the prime minister of the united kingdom this afternoon. it's going to be an interesting day. >> please, let us know. be well. >> thank you. >> i can build on that interesting day. british prime minister theresa may will become the first world leader to meet with president trump in washington tomorrow. the prime minister will first meet with republican lawmakers at this retreat in philadelphia. nic robertson is live in washington with more. what do we expect? >> reporter: we can expect her to talk about the special relationship, how she wants to
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build on the fact that united states and britain didn't just win wars together, but helped build the world together. this is going to be at the core of her meeting when she talks with the republican retreat and the core of what she'll also speak with president trump about. at stake here for her, hugely important. she's very pleased to be the first foreign leader coming. she has got on her agenda, she wants support from president trump to back europe. they don't see eye to eye on everything. this is what the prime minister said. >> i'm pleased to meet president trump so early in the administration. that's a sign of the strength of the relationship between the united kingdom and the united states of america. i am not afraid to speak frankly to a president of the united states. i am able to do that because we
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have that special relationship. >> reporter: what might she speak frankly about? she's expected to talk about nato, about the european union and also we can expect her to talk about russia as well. britain, she thinks perhaps president trump should slow down on his warming relations with russia, not that it started. but she wants to put in a cautionary word? >> very interesting to see what the tone and the message is after the meeting between the uk and u.s. leaders. thank you very much, nic. president trump compares chicago to a war zone saying what's happening there is worse than afghanistan and threatens to send in feds over the city's epidemic of homicides. what does a congressman representing part of that city think of that idea next.
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president trump compares chicago's murder epidemic to a war zone. listen. >> it is carnage. it's horrible carnage. this is -- afghanistan is not like what's happening in chicago. people are being short left and right. thousands of people over a period -- over a short period of time. this year, has just started is worst than last year which with is a catastrophe. they're not doing the job. >> what does the president suggest to do? let's discuss it with democratic
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congressman louie gutierrez from the congressional hispanic caucus. good morning. thank you for being here. >> good morning, alisyn. good to be with you this morning. >> you, too. president trump says he wants to help chicago. would you and mayor rahm emanuel accept the president's help? >> first of all, let's state the fact, chicago has a problem with its -- with violence, with gun violence. more murders in the city of chicago than l.a. and new york combined. that's a real problem. but simply talking about it is not a solution. and i think that what president trump has done is simply say look at the carnage, without offering a solution. >> i think he's saying he would send in the feds. if you asked for it, he would send in the feds. >> very good, very good. >> would that help? >> send in the feds. here is what we need? we need a president that doesn't tweet but says here are the
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funds to hire additional police officers so we can combat crime on the street. here are the funds so we can use more training of our police officers in the city of chicago. but wait a minute, here is the atf agents -- he wants to put more people on the border, more border patrol agents. where are the atf, fbi agents? where are the federal resources? here is the hypocrisy of it is. the fact is donald trump loves the nra and during his campaign they embraced him and he embraced them. the city of chicago had some of the most stringent gun control walls? how are they've vis rated, alisyn? because the nra funded lawsuits against our gun control measures and then they say there's carnage in the city of chicago. what i say is we want to control our own destiny. we need to control the gun violence on our street. it's a real epidemic, alisyn. it's real. what we need is a president that
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doesn't tweet but offers real solutions. because then what you're doing is you're simply using the death and the murders of children and young people and chicago anns for your own political gain. >> let me put up some of the numbers, the latest numbers available from the chicago police and "the chicago tribune" which compiled these. homicides are up 57% in 2016 over 2015, 754. shooting victims are up 46%, 4,338 people shot in 2016. congressman, do i understand you correctly, in terms of what you think is at the root of that, you think it's that the nra, because of their lawsuits, they were able to dismantle some of the gun laws and that's what's at the root of this problem? >> in part, yes. because what it does, alisyn, it proliferates guns on our
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streets. now every dispute, every problem is resolved at the end of a gun barrel. so the guns are not manufactured in the city of chicago. they come from other states. so as you weaken the gun laws you make it less effective for the chicago police. there is that. do we need more police officers? absolutely. i was there in 1993. i was elected to the congress of the united states with bill clinton. what did we do? we put hundreds of thousands of police officers on the streets. we changed laws in order to be more effective in fighting crime and crime did go down, allison. there were more murders in the years before 1993 in chicago, more murders in the years prior to 1993 than last year or this year. the fact is that they've risen again. is it completely the problem? i don't think so. i think we live a tale of two
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cities many times near the city of chicago. i, for example, alisyn, don't fear my grandson going to play at the playground. i don't. i know in my neighborhood there isn't that kind of proliferation of gun violence in my neighborhood. it's really about neighborhoods. i wish we could come to the city of chicago and see the devastation. we need jobs, we need economic opportunity, but we also need to look at what is it and examine really why does a 16-year-old shoot another 16-year-old over a pair of gym shoes with a gun? i think that's not a problem you tweet about. it's a fundamental problem of how our society is changing and how violence is much more acceptable. it's one that we really need to challenge. >> congressman, i also want to ask you about mr. trump's plans for the border wall. let me play for you how he says that mexico will end up
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indirectly paying for it. >> we will be, in a rm to, reimbursed by mexico. >> so they'll pay us back? >> absolutely, 100%. >> the american taxpayer will pay for the wall at first? >> all it is, we'll be reimbursed at later date. i campaigned on the wall and it's very important. the bottom wall costs us nothing. >> it sounds as if it will be done through remittances, the money mexicans are making near the u.s. that they send home to relatives, that those will somehow be used. what do you think of that plan? >> again, american citizens who send money back to their loved ones. >> no, no. he's not saying american citizens. i think he's saying foreign workers, the mexicans who come here and live here, that money they send back home. >> you know, alisyn, this is much like -- i know more about
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isis than the generals and i'm going to defeat isis. i have a secret plan, but i can't tell you what it is. then he said he had something better than obamacare. it's going to be better, 100% better. he doesn't really have a plan. now he tells us don't worry about the wall, we're going to pay for it. alisyn, you know what i worry about, also? i didn't like nafta, i voted against nafta. i think we should review and revisit nafta so it really serves workers, workers in america, workers in mexico and workers first. having said that, let's realize, alisyn, that we could have such a crisis between mexico and the united states. five to six million american workers wake up every day and go to jobs because of trade with mexico. mexico purchases more goods produced in the united states that all of europe combined, our second largest trading partner. i worry about those jobs and the
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effect. this great wall could be the second great wall of china. they have one in china, and if you build this wall, you will take mexico and turn it towards china. china is already in asia, china is already in africa and now they will have a foothold in america. be careful. lastly, why is it that we only talk about a wall with mexico when we know that today, today, as we speak today, more people will enter illegally -- will come legally to the united states and stay here and become undocumented in this country than cross that wall, but there is silence about those who come in europe and those who come from other parts of the world. why this intensity about mexico? because not even a mexican judge -- it wasn't a mexican judge. it was a federal judge born in america of mexican ancestry
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which he said couldn't hear his case, a case which in the end he paid tens of millions of dollars to settle. >> congressman gutierrez, we hear your passion on these subjects. thank you very much for joining us on "new day." >> thank you, alisyn. >> chris. >> take the oil from iraq. that's what president trump says. he says in the old days the winner gets the spoils. is the president suggesting to break international law like the geneva convention? we get "the bottom line" from cnn international correspondent christiane amanpour. your insurance company
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president donald trump bringing back a familiar message from his campaign, talking about what he would have done in iraq. listen. >> you brought up iraq, and something you said that could affect american troops in recent days, you said we should have kept the oil, but, okay, maybe we'll have another chance. what do you mean by that? >> we should have kept the oil when we got out. had we taken the oil, you wouldn't have isis because they fueled themselves with the oil. that's where they got the money. >> you believe we can go in and take the oil? >> we should have taken the oil.
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you wouldn't have isis if we took the oil. >> the question is why does he think he should break international law. that's what taking the oil would amount to. here to give us "the bottom line" is cnn chief international correspondent christiane amanpour. you're hear for the big event, the uk prime minister here today addressing the gop in philadelphia. tomorrow she meets with the president. what will be on the table? >> she was going to come to try to, a, bolster the special relationship, have the feather in her cap to be the first foreign leader to meet with the president and try to bolster her hand in brexit negotiations with the promise from the president to give a speedy and great new fair trade deal with the uk, but she's also going to have to deal with the fallout from the comments that president trump made, particularly the torture. the brits have said over and over again we do not approve, we do not commit those kinds of inhumane actions.
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besides, it doesn't work. black sites, that's causing a huge amount of upheaval around the rest of the world as well, people don't like it. remember, cast your mind back to the early 2000s where this was routine under the bush administration and what it did for america's relations through the rest of the world, put them right down into the gutter. it took a long time to bring those relations back up. those are, sort of we've been there before but dow want to go there again. >> what has the fallout been from president trump's words that, yes, he thinks waterboarding is effective and he might want to bring it back? >> i think you discussed that earlier. it depends who he's talking to when. i don't know what goes into his thinking. general jim mattis is a very upstanding experienced marine commandant and now the defense secretary. explained in chapter and verse that actually, when you want important information, it is better to try to be the guy's
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best friend. you have to do it, as he said, with cigarettes and beer. but i also talked to general petraeus who has had more enemy combatants under his capture in iraq and afghanistan than any commander in american history and said this torture, a, is immoral, and b, it doesn't work. even if it works in a teeny, weenie little way, it's not enough to get the kind of value you need and isn't enough to justify the damage it does, to the kind of blowback it could have to american troops and other american sints around the world. it is just not worth the actual pain of committing that kind of illegal action. but he did say, and this is important, that one day politicians will have to revisit the idea of an hour, there's a ticking time bomb, something is going to happen, you've got the guy. that's a different political conversation. it's not a about the capturing
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detainees, putting them in guantanamo and trying to get what you can out of them. >> the role of nato, john mccain, the senator from arizona, provided context for this coming meeting that we have to remember that nato's article triggering community action has only been used since 9/11 to help the united states, these people went and sacrificed their blood and treasure for us. nato matters. >> exactly right. i think the people of the united states need to understand that nato is not some american-led sugar daddy. america performs a lot of the heavy lifting, and it is absolutely true that the other companies must step up and pay their required contribution to nato, absolutely true. actually other countries are beginning to realize they've got to do that. that's the good thing. that's the good threat they need to know. nato is not just a transactional mercantile alliance.
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it's about decades of building the kind of diplomacy, shared values, shared diplomatic desires and war and peace in the rest of the world with their alliance. it's incredibly difficult to get that kind of fantastic alliance, and it's incredibly important to try to keep it. the president used the word obsolete. i think he meant because he felt it didn't fight terrorism. as you've just pointed out, of course it does, having invoked its only -- only invoked article 5 after 9/11, for the united states, not for one of the european countries, it was for the united states. nato soldiers bled for, died for the united states. they have been fighting terroris al qaeda, isis, all the others in places like afghanistan, iraq and where the countries are deployed. that's an important fact. >> christiane, thanks for being here. it will be interesting to see what happens when theresa may and the president meet.
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countries that have tremendous terror, and it's countries that people are going to come in and cause us tremendous problems. our country has enough problems without allowing people to come in who in many cases or in some cases are looking the do tremendous destruction. you look at what's happened -- i have a whole list. you'll be very thrilled. >> that's president trump explaining his executive order to temporarily ban refugees, the one he wants to sign, the draft of it has been obtained by cnn. it shows that president trump is considering a ban on refugees trying to enter the u.s. for up to four months. there will also be a 30-day ban on individuals traveling from these, quote, terror prone countries. let's discuss this with ka sear kahn, the gold star fallen of u.s. army captain khan.
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what did you think when you heard of mr. trump's new plan to ban people coming in from his so-called terror-prone countries. >> alisyn, i am saddened to hear of this. we were hoping this scexenophob rhetoric will end. it has continued because this administration has surrounded itself with the people that are utterly racist and xenophobic. let me explain briefly to you that the vetting process that is in place from refugees from war-torn syria. you ask any intelligence policy leader, they will tell you it has worked very well in favor of the united stats and for its safety and security. so to tell us that this vetting process needs to be changed now is misleading.
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banning muslims from certain countries is a pretext to muslim ban which is against the immigration policy of this country which says that no person will be banned entering this country because of their religious faith. in addition to that, millions of muslims that live in this country are so disheartened and feel alienated. we are the first defense. two previous administrations, president bush, president obama and their administrations have worked with muslims in the united states to deter, to prevent terrorism, home grown terrorism. how trump going to deal with that with this alienation that his statements that this one-week-old government by anecdotes, by wrong anecdotes, anecdotes that work against the safety and security of the
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united states. i am concerned, i am concerned on behalf of america, on behalf of my country, on behalf of my constitution, and the values of this constitution. every step that trump has taken thus far is at best anecdotal, at best doesn't work the way he had propagated, the way he campaigned. >> i hear you, mr. khan, and i do want to talk to you about the morale of muslims here in this country and beyond and what it does to have your president talk about these things. he was asked about what effect he thought this would have on muslims around the world. let me play for you what he told abc. >> are you at all concerned it's going to cause more anger among muslims around the world? >> there's plenty of anger right now. how can you have more. >> you don't think it would
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exacerbate the problem? >> david, david, i know you're a sophisticated guy. the world is a mess. the world is as angry as it gets. you think this is going to cause a little more anger? the world is an angry place. >> mr. khan, what do you say to his reasoning there? >> listen to the rhetoric, listen to what it will do. instead of reducing that anger, instead of thoughtfully, in stet of pat atticly in favor of america, reducing that anger within the united states and outside the united states, this executive order, these executive orders and this rhetoric further endangers my country, endangers the safety of my country. i do not know how to reach trump, how to convince him that he needs to be thoughtfully
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thinking, resolving. the election is over, the xenophobic rhetoric should be put behind, we should thoughtfully be dealing with the security issue, the safety issue of my country. muslims are at the front line, patriotic muslims within the united states feel alienated, and if they're alienated they will not be as supportive of his policies, as supportive of the security and the threats that -- that loom within our country. he should be reaching out to muslims. he should be reaching out joining hands to deal with the safety of the united states. >> mr. khizr khan, we appreciate your words and your family's sacrifice. thank you for being here on "new day." >> we've lost another legend,
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♪ you're going to make it after all ♪ >> everyone remembers that iconic throw of the hat. the world remembering america's sweetheart, mary tyler moore. she was a pioneer and blazed a trail for so many women along the way and introduced our culture to ideas we were not comfortable with at that time. let's discuss her life and legacy with former talk show host dick cabot. in truth, dick, we're not comfortable with some of those ideas today, let alone back during the show. >> that's how startling they were then. were you to agree, both of you, if you had to put your finger on one thing mary did, and it was remarkable for the time, it told women it's not okay not to be married, you can have a life. they wanted a husband which, as they say any woman does, which is also ridiculous. and there were hints that she
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was sexually active as a person in the show, but she got on, you can get on. i'm sure we're both attractive and less attractive. my god, mary is getting through, why can't i? >> and she got gratification from her job. she liked her career. she had an exciting life, she had girlfriends. this was the modern woman at that time. and all of us little girls did watch this with great interest. >> i'm glad to hear that confirmed. surely, one of the greatest six words from two people ever in the history of the media is when ed asner said, you've got spunk, and mary beamed and he said, i hate spunk. i don't know if my friend david lloyd wrote that line or not, but he did write the great chuckles the clown episode. >> we have a clip of that.
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let's listen. >> a lesson in comedy. >> you feel like laughing, don't you? don't try to hold it back. go ahead, laugh out loud. don't you see, nothing would have made chuckles happier. he lived to make people laugh. tears were offensive to him, deeply offensive. he hated to see people cry. so go ahead, my dear, laugh for chuckles. [ sobbing ]. >> in comedy school they should teach that to students, say aim for this. i think i may have given mary one of the biggest laughs of her life, egomaniacal to sachlt we would go western riding in the hills of mon tuck. i failed to synch my saddle
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properly and it let go as we were cantering. i turned all the way and was hanging underneath the horse. keaton chap lynn would have envied it. mary laughed so hard she had to get off the horse and lie down. she said, dick, thank you, i now know you can die laughing. >> that's fantastic. not my favorite moment of my own past, but terrific. >> so was she as likable -- the characteristic everybody says is on screen she was such a likable character, and in real life, was she that person? >> absolutely. she had a man's gutsy laugh that she had to inhibit in public because it was so funny. once she said -- when she starred in robert redford's movie, she said, i've got to do this. i'm so damn sick of being perky. >> you do get stuck in a successful character very often. do you think that she was aware
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of her own significance? >> you never know. you meet great icons of comedy and acting and you find they're trembling and insecure and say was i already? i think mary knew dam well. she knew she was successful and that she was rich and funny and that she survived many things in her own life that would kill an ordinary man or woman, and i think so. she said i've got to keep the actor in me alive. that's what she meant by, i want to do something unperky. >> "ordinary people." >> yes. thank you for being my memory. it was a darker character, a darker plot line. >> she played a murderess in a movie, "like mother like son."
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mom was the killer and we saw there was much, much more to mary -- i never saw "the mary tyler moore" show when it first came. i thought it was more for girls. that's how advanced i was. i have a closet full now on vhs. mary was fun to be around, a great laugh. she hated her smile. she said this acre of teeth that i show. >> luckily we were the ones who got to judge how she looked, not her. what do you want people to remember her about her as we clo close? >> she took a picture once and she said, dick, please tell me not to smile. >> what should people remember about her? >> her fabulous talent, the fact that she was a brave woman who got through a lot and she helped women say, i can get through, too. this is believable.
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what what. >> dick cavett, thanks for sharing your thoughts. >> i want to stay another hour. >> please do. the "newsroom" with carol costello be agains after this very quick break. thanks for loading, sweetie.
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