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hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. >> i'm johner about p berman. we have breaking news all over the place. president trump is scheduled to leave for philadelphia to speak at the retreat for congressional republicans. the president is set to speak to republican lawmakers who are keenly interested in everything he is doing and saying right now. and he has been saying an awful lot. we'll bring you that speech
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live. >> when it does begin. but first, he's got to get there. before heading out, president trump threw down the gauntlet to the president of the mexico, sending out this statement, in part. if mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. this comes after reports the president of mexico was considering cancelling his scheduled trip to washington next week as he is vowing his nation will not pay for that wall. as john said, a whole lot of moving parts this morning. let's first get to cnn congressional reporter manu raju along with maria santana, covering the annual retreat right now. manu, first to you. republicans are meeting to talk about their agenda, they're meeting to talk about the future for them. they're also having to talk about and answer a lot of questions about the statements that the president is putting out. >> reporter: yes, that's absolutely right, kate. remember, right after the
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election, republicans laid out a pretty detailed, meticulous agenda, knowing there's going to be a lot that want to get done, whether it's repealing and replacing obamacare, reforming the tax code, getting rid of an a number of regulations, confirming donald trump's cabinet, and confirming the supreme court nominee that donald trump is going to nominate next week. one of the things they didn't really talk about or plan for, is essentially how to deal with this issue that donald trump campaigned on, building a wall on the border with mexico. now we have learned that donald trump plans to send a package, a funding package for congress to approve to spend money to build that wall and trump says he's going to later get mexico to reimburse it. the republicans are trying to figure out how to deal with that. trump's tweets racheting up the tension between mexico and the united states over paying for that wall. i had a chance to ask the republican leadership moments ago whether the president of the united states should tone it
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down with mexico. take a listen. >> i don't have any advice to give to the president about that issue. we are moving ahead. as the speaker pointed out to our group yesterday, with roughly -- >> 12 to 15. >> -- 12 to $15 billion. we intend to address the wall issue ourselves. and the president can deal with his relations with other countries on that issue and other issues. >> reporter: now, that price tag is significant. the first time we've heard congressional leaders say how much it will cost taxpayers to pay for that wall up front. if mexico doesn't pay it back, that's the bill that the united states could be left with, 12 to $15 billion. and one thing that they did not say is whether or not that funding would be offset by spending cuts. remember, republicans have campaigned for years to control deficit spending, saying that new spending needs to be cut in other areas of the budget.
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they did not say whether this new 12 to $15 billion would be offset by corresponding cuts in the budget. so this fight over how to actually pay for this wall with mexico only just beginning. and republicans trying to figure out how to deal with it. expect some resistance from democrats, particularly in the senate, guys. >> very interesting. >> that's a big deal, if they're not saying how it's going to be offset, manu. >> reporter: yes, absolutely. i mean, this is one of the things that they had campaigned on. they've governed with this philosophy, what they call pay as you go. that is something that they didn't really have an answer for. speaker ryan was asked multiple times in the press conference, and didn't address it head-on, and finally said, well, we're going to wait to see what the administration eventually proposes, i don't want to get ahead of the administration. so they haven't quite figured out paexactly how to deal with , as these other major agenda
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items are coming forward. their plans on obamacare, they haven't thought about how to get this border wall through. as you know, this is donald trump's central campaign promise and something he will be pushing aggressively. >> it does pose a bit of a conundrum -- manu, thank you so much -- donald trump's point is it's going to be paid for by mexico. so if mexico is going to foot the bill eventually, that's a conun du conundrum. >> $18 billion will be hard to come up with. president pena nieto is facing pressure to cancel his upcoming trip to washington because purchaser continues to say mexico will pay for the wall. what will the mexican leader do? cnn's maria santana joins us live from philadelphia. we're waiting to see if the mexican leader will cancel this trip. >> reporter: definitely we need
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to monitor the mexican president's twitter account, which is unprecedented, that foreign leaders are responding to each other via social media. he put out a statement last night, and as we have seen, donald trump many times reacts to news reports. and there were reports last night that pena nieto was mulling over cancelling this trip to the united states but would wait until a mexican delegation that is here meeting with senior administration at the white house, he's going to wait for their report before deciding what to do. but he has been under pressure to cancel this meeting. and, you know, he has said time and time again that mexico will not pay, indirectly or directly, for this wall. this is what he said last night in a message to mexican citizens via his twitter account. let's listen. >> translator: the decision by the united states to extend the wall which for years has divided us instead of uniting us.
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mexico does not believe in walls. i've said time and again, mexico will not pay for any wall. >> reporter: and as we have said, he has been under intense pressure from his own citizens, from other lawmakers in mexico, to cancel this trip. we have heard even the ex-president of mexico vicente fox basically using expletives on live tv and twitter to express to donald trump that mexico will absolutely not pay for this wall. and pena nieto has even ordered consulates in the united states to help immigrants and mexican citizens living here in the united states with all these executive orders that donald trump has signed. and here in philadelphia, protesters are gathering, despite the steady rain, to protest some of these measures, kate and i don't knoo john. >> maria, great to see you. thank you so much. we'll keep an eye on what's going on in philadelphia. we're waiting for the president
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to take off for philadelphia. as manu and maria were talking about, let's focus on the twitter feeds. we've got pena nieto saying what he said to his citizens. donald trump said this morning, if you're not going to pay for the wall, you might as well cancel this meeting. you're reaction. >> let's step back and think about the monumental absurdity of the conversation we're having, that affects our relationship with arguably our most important economic and political neighbor. a wall is a monumentally stupid idea. don't take it from this democrat, republican congressman will hurt said this is a fever dream of a president who when he said it, knew nothing about border security. we're talking about offsets. that's one layer of absurdity. second, guys i don't agree with
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but who i respect as states men, paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, standing up there, and by the way, paul ryan voted against $9 billion of sandy aid which really made a difference to people in new york and the northeast, and now he's saying we're going to find $14 billion to build a wall which won't work. what are we talking about? our relationship with mexico is important. pena nieto is unpopular in his own country. trump has said don't come here if you're not going to pay for the wall. what sort of political position does that put the president of mexico in? what does it say that the first thing our president did in dealing with an important neighbor is sticking his finger in his eye? >> you tell us. what does it say to you? you called it monumentally stupid that we're even having this discussion. what does it say to you, that he's doing it on twitter? >> nobody is disputing that we shouldn't work harder on border safety. i sit on the intelligence committee. i understand how important it is that we keep out people who shouldn't be here. but nobody says the wall isn't a good idea. now we're taking this very bad
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idea and creating a huge political problem for a neighbor, you know, and mexico has its challenges. mexico has immense violence. we do work with them on things like drug interdiction, on going after the immense amount of cocaine that is produced and shipped from there. it is a trumpian fever dream, a crazy idea that is going to drive u.s./mexico relations. >> he signed the executive order. do you think the wall is going to be built? >> so what really happens here? how paul ryan and mitch mcconnell are going to look back on their behavior now, where they didn't have the courage to stand up and say, hey, guys, this is a bad idea, can we move on to jobs for the american people. >> do you think more wall is going to be erected on the u.s./mexico border? >> i've criticized donald trump for a lot of ways, but marketing is something he's got down. in the end, there will be ten miles of wall built, that's going to be the wall, it will be beautiful, not that mexico will ever pay for it, that will allow
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donald trump to say there's the wall and move on to the next thing, whatever it might be. >> this week has been filled with executive actions, donald trump signing things, a lot of it with him fulfilling campaign promises. do you think there will be real effects to what he is signing this week or do you think there's more smoke than fire here? >> there will be effects. and it's good news/bad news. the bad news is of course that when there's a draft circulating saying, hey, we're going to start thinking about torture again, black sites, this has a profound effect on our relationships with europe, for example. you know, the number of european countries that are wrapped up in the whole black site thing, it was a huge political issue for them. just the mere contemplation out of the oval office about waterboarding and black sites is going to, today, damage the willingness of our european allies to share intelligence with us. >> even if it never happens. >> even if it never happens. that is such a charged issue. it's a violation of u.s. law and international law. today, intelligence agencies around europe are saying, boy, can we continue to work with the americans if this is the
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direction they're going. >> that's in a draft memo. but also, on television last night, donald trump was asked about waterboarding. he was asked about his position on torture. when you hear donald trump say that he's going to listen to his cabinet but he absolutely thinks that waterboarding and torture works, what's your reaction to that? you sit on the intel committee. >> it's another fantasy. this won't be true six months from now, but i've spent a lot more time with our intelligence community chiefs than donald trump has, and not one of them has said nor will say that torture works. a lot of them with stars on their shoulders are saying, if we start saying it's okay to waterboard terrorists, then when our troops get captured, they're going to be waterboarded. he also said there was 3 to 5 million fraudulent votes cast. he says whatever he needs to say to justify his own position. but rarely are those statements
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rooted in reality. >> you seem alarmed as you're sitting with us here today about a lot of different things that the president is doing. what are you going to do about it? >> well, you know, the american people saw fit to put the democrats pretty deep in the minority in the house where we don't have a lot of tools in the minority. but we are going to keep sounding the alarm around the effects, and i described some of them with respect to our ability to work with our allies on counterterrorism issues. those are less strong efforts, because of what the president has said, than they were yesterday. we're going to talk about what it means for 30 million americans to be thrown off their health insurance if they in fact repeal the affordable care act. we're going to talk to people, not just our constituents, but people in texas about what it means if planned parenthood clinics around the country go away. we'll see the same energy we saw at that demonstration in washington on the saturday after the inauguration just grow in intensity and strength. >> congressman jim hines, thank you for being with us. coming up, president trump continues to insist that
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you're looking live at a picture of joint base andrews where president trump is landing for the first time on marine one. he'll be departing marine one and boarding air force one for the first time, going to philadelph philadelphia, to speak to house republicans, senate republicans, gathering together for their annual retreat there. >> of course as we said, he'll get on air force one and fly to that. let's keep this picture up, because this is history, this is the president's first time aboard marine one, the presidential helicopter, his first time flying officially on air force one, the presidential plane. we'll keep this picture up. we'll bring in the mayor of los angeles, eric garcetti right now. there's a lot to discuss with some of the actions that the
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president has been taking. mr. mayor, thanks so much for being with us, i appreciate your time, sir. >> good morning, john and kate, how are you. >> before leaving on marine one, president trump has been, it seems, baiting the mexican leader enrique pena nieto about this issue of the border wall and who will pay for it. the president wrote, if mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. you're reaction to that? >> mexico is our most important trading partner. here in los angeles we have a shared history. international relations are going to be a critical part of our economic expansion and jobs creation in this country. so i think it's very important to stay engaged. and here in los angeles, we're looking at what we can do to continue to protect our economy, make our streets safe, and to make sure that our families are united. and i think that is very important, given the context of the executive orders yesterday. >> and mayor, do you think the statement that john just read right there, do you see this as
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an effective way to negotiate, to work with mexico? do you see kind of a power play here? >> i'll going to second-guess the president's strategies. i'll just say we engage a lot with mexico. we get a lot of investment with mexico. our companies in los angeles sell a lot of things to mexico. everybody knows panda express, i went down and helped them open 150 new stores in mexico. that food is manufactured here by american workers in los angeles. that creates jobs, when you engage. i never second-guess people's strategic approaches, but staying engaged is critically important to our safety, whether it's border security or jobs in america. >> again, we're watching the president about to get out of the presidential helicopter, marine one, and walk over to air force one for his first official flight aboard that plane. president trump threatened to pull funding from cities like yours that serve as so-called
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sausa sanctuary cities. he's threatened to pull dhs funding on that. is this something that you intend to fight him on? >> well, i don't think that, you know, taking away city funding, our tax dollars, that we should be able to determine how we spend locally, is the right approach, any more than i think as a father that separating families is the right approach. we need to make sure we fix a broken immigration system. in the obama administration and in the trump administration, cities have banded together to stand up for our local economies, for safety on our streets. and police chief after police chief here in los angeles and throughout the country who i think know policing best say that the trust of the people they police is most important. we want federal law enforcement officials to do their job with federal laws. but we don't enforce tax laws, we don't enforce mail fraud, and i don't want to take my cops off of that important work because of an ideological wish of anybody in the white house.
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>> let's pause for one second, this is a big moment, president trump boards air force one for the very first time to take a trip on air force one. >> he didn't stop and wave. a lot of presidents will turn around and wave, perhaps we'll see that in future trips. >> we shall see, you never can predict, as you say, mr. mayor. continuing the conversation, you were talking about sanctuary cities like l.a., how do you intend to fight back, though? if this moves forward, what does l.a. do about it? >> we have something called the united states constitution, which says very clearly, also to the obama administration, in a court decision last year, that the federal government can't put a financial gun to the head of local governments. that's what this country was founded on, local sovereignty, the idea that we can make decisions about what's best for our economies, best for our streets, you know, and so-called sanctuary counties, the crime
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rate is lower, we have higher economic preosperity, less unemployment. we know after four decades of police chiefs telling us what works best, we need to protect that approach to policing. we're prepared to do that in court. we're hoping we can come together with this administration and fix a broken system that doesn't work for anybody. i don't want to see families split up. i don't want to see our economy weakened. i don't want to see my streets less safe. >> and you say you're willing to help provide lawyers for people to avoid deportation if the federal government tries to remove them? >> absolutely. these dreamers, for instance, i'm the grandson of one of them, my grandfather came over the border from mexico, volunteered for world war ii, got citizenship. we want to make sure there's due process for folks. military families, 50,000 families whose children serve their country wearing a uniform, as i did. anyone who served in our military knows how many immigrants are in our military. we think it's important to protect that due process and
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since medieval times, would i feel strongly about waterboarding? as far as i'm concerned, we have to fight fire with fire. now, with that being said, i'm going with general mattis, i'm going with my secretary, because i think pompeo is going to be phenomenal. i'm going to go with what they say. but i have spoken, as recently as 24 hours ago, with people at the highest level of intelligence, and i asked them the question, does it work, does torture work, and the answer was yes, absolutely. >> that is president donald trump saying he will defer to his national security team on the very important issue of torture. but as you heard right there, he absolutely believes it works. this on top of a report that the administration is considering reopening cia black sites. other reports also say the defense secretary james mattis and cia director mike pompeo, that they were blindsided by this memo. >> let's bring in rick santorum,
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a former pennsylvania senator and republican presidential candidate. also with us, bob baer, former cia operative. bob, first to you, you heard the president there speaking about torture. you also hear about this memo circulating where the president may be directing agencies to look into reopening black sites, look into the possibility of reinstituting enhanced interrogation techniques. your reaction, bob. >> john, it's not going to go over well at the cia, for one, nor at the military. the cia, the general consensus was, if you look at the inspector general's report, the senate report, is that torture is not effective in getting information. the president didn't say what it was useful for. it's useful for intimidation. but i don't think that's what he meant. the black sites have caused the cia enormous amount of trouble all around the world. and it's unlikely a lot of these counies, now that it's all been exposed, will let us reopen
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these. this is a tall order, to go back into the torture business. >> that is a key question, bob. senator, just a little while ago, at the republican retreat, senator mcconnell, paul ryan, were asked about this. essentially mcconnell and paul ryan saying, we agree enhanced interrogation is not legal. where are you on this? >> i think what the president is doing is pretty rational, let's take another look at this, let's do an examination of whether these -- what other methods if any other methods are necessary. i don't think that's a bad thing. i think the fact that he said he was going to defer to his -- to the people in charge of these operations at cia and defense is another reasonable proposal. you can argue whether we should continue to do this. there certainly is a lot of evidence that waterboarding did
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work in the case of a couple of people from whom we needed key information. whether we should continue it or not, we should defer to experts as to whether it will enhance our national security or not. >> bob, what do you say to that, you head mr. santorum saying it did work in a couple of cases. president trump said it flat out does work. you've been out there to the front lines. is it true? >> i do come with a bias, john, for instance jordan, which is very good at getting information out of arrestees and terrorists, they never use torture. they reindoctrinate these people. they've got a special facility for it if the bottom of a basement in gid headquarters in iman. it works very well. you take those who do use torture, waterboarding, unspeakable things, egypt uses
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it to intimidate their population. if the idea is to intimidate people, torture does that, but i don't think that's what the president has in mind. frankly i would go with general mattis. he's against torture. he watched it being used by our military and the cia in iraq. the man knows what he's talking about. he's come out very strongly against torture. and i'm going to go with his judgment. >> to that point, senator, and you brought this up, when it comes to -- donald trump said two very different things, right? he said, i'm going to defer to my top guys like mattis, but i also think absolutely it works. shouldn't the president be the decider on this? isn't the president the decider on this? you ran for president. if you were sitting there behind that desk, doesn't it matter what your opinion is? >> sure it does. but i think he was very clear that he's going to defer to the experts. that doesn't mean that he doesn't -- he has to give up his opinion. i think he certainly is a lot of
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very different opinions than others in his cabinet. but i think in most cases, he's said already very early in his administration that he'll defer to them. i mean, we have to contrast this whole discussion with the way the obama administration dealt with folks that were potential valuable targets for us to capture and interrogate. they decided to kill them, to use drones. i'm not saying that's a bad thing or a good thing. i'm just saying, if you're talking about what is more inhumane, you had a policy of the prior administration which is to drone attack them, these suspected people and their families, as opposed to try to conduct operations to capture them and gather intelligence from them and then question whether we should be torturing them or not. >> senator? >> we have to sort of put it in context of what the trump administration is talking about. >> senator, by the way, we just saw some videotape of president trump getting on marine one for the first time, watching the
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president leave for the first time. senator, on the flip side of what kate was asking about, the secretary of defense, james mattis, there are reports this morning that the secretary of defense was blindsided, so was the cia director, reports say he had no idea this memo was circulating or that the president was asking these questions about the possibility of reinstituting enhanced interrogation techniques or reopening black sites. what does it say about this administration that the people who may have to be implementing this don't know what the president's thinking about it? >> well, two things. number one, he was asked in an interview. donald trump is famous for coming up with things that are unexpected in interviews. so i don't think that should shock anybody. as far as this memo, my understanding is this was a memo that was circulated, it wasn't something that is going to signed or implemented, but it's something that's been put up. as you know, particularly early in an administration, there are lots of ideas out there floating around and suggestions as to what our policy positions should be, that probably have not been
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properly vetted but are sort of bubbling up from these teams that were put together in the transition. i wouldn't take that as necessarily the way things are going to happen once we have cabinet secretaries and we have people properly vetting these things in the process. >> when the president says he thinks we should fight fire with fire, stand by to find out exactly what he means and what that means in terms of putting in place policy. bob baer, senator, great to see you, thank you. coming up, tomorrow british prime minister theresa may is meeting with president trump at the white house. what does the future hold for this special relationship? plus new details on president trump's baseless claims of wide scale voter fraud, 3 to 5 million people voting illegally, where did he get that idea? maybe it came from this guy, a golfing buddy, that's coming up.
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i won this 55 inch tv for less than $30 on visit for great deals. and start bidding today! some people say john and i have a very special relationship. but that's not the special relationship we're talking about today. don't give me the eyebrow raise. the new british prime minister is set to address republicans at their annual retre treatreat in philadelphia. theresa may will address the group following president trump's address to them. >> they'll try to strengthen their special relationship, just as we have. but she will speak frankly to the president on issues like torture and climb change. cnn's nic robertson joins us. what will she look for on this
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trip? >> reporter: she'll be making reference to, you know, real history here. she'll say, look, britain and the united states have won wars together, have essentially helped build the world together. she wants to get support from president trump for better trade with britain as it pulls out of the european union. she's under pressure back home, though, to hold president trump's feet to the fire on issues such as torture and nato and the european union. there's a host of things, she's got to be a nimble diplomatic dance here, if you will. she wants things but she can't sort of tar britain's image at the same time. >> it will be interesting to see how she reacts. we just learned they will hold a joint press conference tomorrow, the president and prime
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minister. they'll both face questions and they both have to play to their constituencies. >> that will be on full display when they hold their press conference tomorrow. great to see you, nic, thank you. those millions of illegal votes. donald trump says it happened but has offered zero evidence for it. i think we've repeated that enough at this point. where did he get this notion? >> could it have come from one of the world's top golfers? that's an obvious question, isn't it? >> i mean, duh. >> congressional sources were at a meeting on monday at the white house and say the president got the idea from german professional golfer bernard longer. that's what "the new york times" is discussing. "times" reporter alex burns joins us. bernard longer is a two-time champion. >> which applies to this. >> does that make him an expert on voter fraud? to recap the story, donald trump
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told congressional leaders that bernard longer went to vote in florida and was surrounded by people that he felt were not eligible to vote for some reason, and then told the story to the president. it turns out the story the president told wasn't exactly accurate because bernard longer's daughter says he's a german citizen and can't vote. >> his daughter also told my colleague who wrote this amazing story that her father is actually not friends with donald trump so there is no reason why he would be talking about this issue with the new american president. >> there is noer about ladd erb it turns out. >> he doesn't exist. three different people confirmed this story to glenn that were in the room. there weren't a lot of people in that room, too. >> no, there weren't. look, there is a narrow thing here that makes people in washington nervous which is that donald trump is talking about this sort of conspiracy theory that's completely baseless and keeps bringing it up and seems now to be taking federal action
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based on it. they don't particularly care for the narrow specifics of this situation. the broader issue that it raises is, you know, the new president of the united states is processing and internalizing and acting on information that he's getting from really sketchy sources, right, whether it was longer himself or longer's friend who was in line, this is not typically the way information filters up to the most powerful person in the country and the way policy is made. >> and the fact that as the report plays out, he would tell this story as proof of what -- you know, of these illegal votes, to congressional leaders, in a meeting with congressional leaders, and according to the report, the story was met by silence. what does that tell you? >> it tells you that the donald trump we saw during the campaign and frankly, the donald trump we saw prior to the campaign, is the same guy who is now in the white house. this illusion he was going to become a much more sober and disciplined and conventional
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figure -- >> should he have been surprised at all that it was met by silence by leaders in congress? >> i don't think it's any surprise. ryan puerto ri reince priebus and trying to enough president trump past this subject. but when trump laches ontches o something, it's hard for his advisors to get him to let it go. >> we're talking about the republican leadership here. now they're dealing with a lot as they meet in philadelphia. they're waiting for the president to arrive and speak to him. they've been asking questions today about what the president has said on various issues, including baiting the president of mexico, including reinstituting enhanced interrogation techniques. what's going on behind closed doors among republicans? >> i've spoken to a couple of since the weekend, who say look,
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at least for the time being they are going to simply have to kind of roll with this, right, and not necessarily rebuke or affirm everything the president says, but to try to kind of talk past it. i don't know, and they don't know, how long that's sustainable. when it comes to an issue like voter fraud where the president, it's not really clear he's going to be taking intensive policy actions based on his conspiracy theories, it's one thing for congressional leaders to look the other way. when they're in the middle of a budget negotiation or a negotiation over reforming health care, and the president is out there making these shocking pronouncements based on sketchy information, that's much more difficult. >> that's why a lot of republicans say, wait to see the policy moves. >> alex, thanks so much. >> alex does not golf, we asked him. president trump has narrowed down his choices to the supreme court to four potential nominees. we do not know if they golf.
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all right. just revealed. president trump's final four contenders to fill the supreme court. he will announce his nominee just one week from today kicking off what is certain to be a fierce battle on capitol hill. >> joan is a cnn legal analyst and supreme court biographer. joan, a lot of folks look at this list and say we've never heard of them. if you're amongst legal circles, you definitely have. you got this final list. we just had them on the screen. of this list, who is most likely? >> i think those first two that you have up there, neil gorsuch and tom hardiman think they'd be the most attractive candidates for president trump. they are almost opposites in some ways. neil gorsuch is a four-generation coloradan but a beltway insider down in his
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core. his mother was the epa administrator under ronald reagan, anne gorsuch. he grew up in washington, was a senate page. went to harvard law school and was a marshall scholar at oxford. he sits right now on a federal appeals court in colorado. he writes a lot like scalia. he's got a very polished presence that i think would serve him well before the senate judiciary committee. so i think he could be a leading candidate for the president. and then sort of an opposite individual right now in this last four group would be thomas hardiman. he's based on a federal appeals court in philadelphia. but he came up kind of scrapped his way up. the first person in his family to go to college. he comes from a family that ran a taxicab business, and he earned money on the side when he was at georgetown law school
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driving a taxi. he speaks spanish. he's done a lot of work with the big sisters, big brothers group. he's helped immigrants and people seeking political asylum with pro bono cases. going to what donald trump wants. he's a conservative and he has vouched for, i believe, by home state -- former home state senator rick santorum. so he's -- they all have conservative credentials. it's just a matter of how they might be pitched to the american public which is so much a part of how the president rolls out a nominee. the other two on that list -- >> go ahead. sorry. >> that's okay. the other two on that list are two individuals who president trump had mentioned during the campaign. >> right. >> william pryor and diane sykes. william pryor has a law degree from tulane. an attorney general from alabama and took a lot of controversial positions that i'm sure will be
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difficult to defend in a senate judiciary committee hearing and then diane sykes, who has a law degree from marquette in wisconsin, she'd been a state court judge. she's also someone who has been around for a long time who the conservatives with the federalist society are boosting. but one thing i want to add real quickly is they run the gamut in terms of age, too. diane sykes is 59. a little older than what republicans like and neil gorsuch is only 49. >> and that is -- age is an important thing when you're talking about a lifetime term. joan, thank you for laying it out for us. we are getting some breaking news involving the standoff between mexico, the mexican president and the u.s. president donald trump. the mexican leader was supposed to meet here in the united states with president trump next week at the white house, but now, let's go live to leyla santiago in mexico city. what are you learning? >> well, just five minutes ago, the president of mexico enrique
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pena nieto has tweeted essentially saying that he is not going to be meet with president donald trump on the 31st as scheduled. and i want to sort of read to you exactly what he says. i'm translating as i read here. he said this morning we informed the white house that i will not be attending the reunion, the work for next tuesday to meet with potus, the president of the united states. he then tweeted wop minute later, mexico reiterates it does want to work with the united states to come to an agreement that can be mutually beneficial. all of this happening in just the last six minutes. but let's go beyond the six minutes on what actually led up to this. you see yesterday there was a group of mexican senators who called for president pena nieto to cancel this meeting after president trump signed the executive orders to move forward with building the wall, even though mexico says they will not
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pay for it. donald trump says they will in some form reimburse. and so he now, president pena nieto, has his delegation of the foreign minister as well as the economic minister right now in d.c. they were scheduled to have some meetings. i understand there were some meetings but we're not sure exactly where they stand on it. they'll be leaving early or not. but the big takeaway, the big news right now in mexico city is that the mexican president has said he will not be meeting with donald trump next week. >> that is some very big news. and also amazing. this is all playing out on social media. pena nieto announcing, first to know on his twitter feed. leyla, thank you. we're going to get over to philadelphia where jim acosta is right now. this is big news and all comes on the heels of donald trump essentially baiting the profit mexico with his tweet this morning saying if mexico is
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unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting. >> we're getting an early preview of trump diplomacy and twitter diplomacy. trump did tweet earlier if mexico is not going to pay for this wall, there's no sense in having this meeting. enrique pena nieto tweeted they informed the white house that he is not going to be attending that visit with president trump at the white house. and so already within 24 hours, after the president announced his plans to build that wall on the mexican border, this is now off. and so we now have basically the first diplomatic rift between the united states and mexico that i can recall in some time. it's unclear as to where this heads from here. i've pinged white house officials to duet theget their . >> looks like they're landing right now.
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we're seeing live pictures right next to you. >> air force one landing right now in philadelphia where the president will be speaking to republican members of congress in a few minutes. i imagine will face some questions about this. now facing the real possibility that our relationship with a key ally and our neighbor to the south, mexico, has been damaged. the u.s. president meets very early on with the mexican leader. and now about 30 seconds left, he may meet with vladimir putin before he meets with mexico. >> well, he's going to meet with the british prime minister theresa may tomorrow at the white house. and we are getting word there is going to be a news conference. so he'll certainly get asked about that tomorrow. but i would imagine the gop members will be asking about this today. and as paul ryan, the speaker of the house said earlier this morning, this is an unconventional presidency. we were on prepared for that.
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and they'll be deal with that. but mitch mcconnell said they are going to be looking at ways to pay pfor this wall and president trump will have to deal with the diplomatic fallout. >> and fallout, just beginning. it's not even begun to see what the fallout is from this. jim acosta, thanks. our special coverage will continue in just a moment with john king. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. breaking news this hour. that's philadelphia on the screen. air force one has just landed. president trump's first ride on air force one. a short trip from washington up to philadelphia where just moments from now he'll address a very important meeting. republican leadership gathered at a strategy retreat in philadelphia. a lot to work out there. also some breaking news on that flight. the white house press secretary sean spicer saying this afternoon when he's back in washington, the president of the united states will sign an executive order going forward with what he has promised to have an investigation into voter fraud. voter fraud that just about


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