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topping this hour "360," the wall and massive voter fraud. a summit meeting called off executive action to investigate the voter debunked claims we're told until tomorrow or saturday. we have two reports in two capitals, washington and mexico city. we begin with washington, jeff zeleny. do we know exactly what happened with the voter fraud executive action that was supposed to be signed today? was it a matter of donald trump running late? >> donald trump was scheduled to sign the action on voter fraud. he's been talking about it for several days here. white house press secretary sean
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spicer said he would sign at k 4:30 and traveled to meet with republican members of the house and senate and came back here. i was on that trip with him. he came back and didn't sign it. they said simply he was running late and will do it tomorrow or saturday. i don't think it's anything more than that. he of course is still committed to this. he talks about it a lot. a lot of republicans frankly hope he stops talking about this and starts to focus on other things, but i do expect tomorrow or saturday if not by then, then we will wonder what happened with this. as of now it seemed like a scheduling issue. quite frankly the executive actions and orders are backing up here. he has several he's talked about but not yet actually signed. >> the meeting that president trump and president of mexico were supposed to have, that's no longer on the books. seems like the mexico president declined it and donald trump said well, we have both decided it wasn't going to happen. >> it wasn't quite like that. the mexican president definite he declined it first on social
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media in the way donald trump perhaps might understand and president trump was flying to a philadelphia, aboard air force one and first flight on air force 1, in fact, when this news came over that this meeting next week was suddenly not going to be scheduled. so donald trump in philadelphia when he was meeting with republicans said look, we both agree to cancel this. it would be a fruitless meeting. we have a difference of opinion. you can remember very well, everyone can through the campaign, this is an anthem that mexico will pay for the wall. that is not the situation. so the reality here now is republicans in the house and senate and the majority of government here have to decide how to pay for this campaign pledge. it's going to be incredibly extensive. it's going to be complicated as donald trump said but there will not be a meeting next week. you have to wonder this is certainly the first stand off
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diplomatically and most members of congress and others are worried about this becoming a trade war or something else and escalated quickly today. >> thanks. the view from mexico. cnn's layla santiago in mexico city. any word if mexico's president would be open to sit down with president trump in the future? >> reporter: well, you know, that was actually the tweet he sent out immediately after he said i will not be attending that meeting. he said i extend my friendship and i am open and resonated with the people of mexico. i had a chance to talk to people on the streets. i spoke to one family not aware that the mexican president had cancelled that meeting and when they leearned, when i explained that, you could see their faces
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light up. like dignity had been restored. you can see they were pleased, that they thought of this as a victory and that comes after several senators, a former president, right, vicente fox spoke out and asked the president to stand his ground and really defend mexico's interest. so tonight, we are clearly seeing where president enrique p stands. >> he was concerned a trade war would hurt mexico and the united states. sean spicer today floated the idea of a 20% tax on imports from mexico. they seem to walk that back later on. how concerned are mexican officials about that possibility? >> reporter: it's typically the first thing that comes up when i talk to them. i've been here for two weeks talking to mexicans and mexican government officials and this is something that could reek havoc on both sides because the economic minister has already
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said, if the u.s. makes such a move, they will respond immediately and given the trade between the two, we're talking about $1.5 billion daily, that's something that could certainly have an impact. let's take cars for example. a 20% tax could make it more expensive to produce and also export, as well. who will pay for that? it could be the american consumer and i talked to one mexican senator that took it one step further talking about that connection between the two countries. he pointed out the millions of u.s. jobs that depend on mexican trade and to be exact, i'll quote the u.s. chamber of commerce, 6 billion u.s. jobs with mexico. if we see that slow down because of a 20% tax, his point was it could be not only american consumers paying for it but also possibly some u.s. jobs, anderson. >> layla santiago, thank you.
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let's dig to what a 20% tariff would mean.eyla santiago, thank. let's dig to what a 20% tariff would mean. drives up the price of corona, tequila, margaritas is mucho sad. tom foreman joins us with the multi billion-dollar bottom line. tom? >> reporter: every minute, that is how much business is being chance act chance acted between the u.s. and mexico according to the think tank here in washington d.c. in 2015 mexico sent $295 billion worth of vehicles, machinery to the united states, the same year the united states sent 236 billion worth of machinery, vehicles, plastics and so on into mexico. a lot of stuff that involves a lot of people. we heard that number a moment ago from the u.s. chamber of commerce. 6 million jobs in the u.s.
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relying on trade with mexico. so if you in fact had a 20% tariff or tax on everything coming from mexico over there, what is the impact over here? what the white house hopes is that would put pressure on the businesses that moved down there for cheaper labor and make them say it's no longer cheaper that would bring the industry home and boost employment here and expand business and expand production and put the u.s. more in charge of its own future. those are the potential positives, but what about the to herbal the negatives in all of this? you could see consumer prices being pushed up on both sides of the border. remember, you're getting things cheaply right now because of the way business is done now. that would change. it could also drive up production costs for u.s. companies because now they have to get supplies and things from mexico that will cost them more, that may make them cut back some jobs that are one back and in a worst-case scenario, mexico has
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its own sanctions in place and maybe other countries get involved and an all out trade war and a lot of people could suffer. >> a lot of focus on the wall, as well. how complicated of a project is that potentially? >> not getting easier, i'll tell you that. let's look at the basic facts here. the wall could have to cover somehow 2,000 miles of border here. up here you see what we've highlighted? those are areas largely to the west where there are already some kind of fences or walls in place. a lot of it is like this, these vehicle fences. they are real lilatively simple inexpensivement other areas have pedestrian fences that look like this. they are more complicated and expensive. what does donald trump want to have? he's talking about is a 40-foot version of a wall. we don't know what it would look like but in relationship to me it would be roughly this big and cover about 1,000 miles of the border with it.
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that is a tall order because remember, it has to go through river bottoms and sand and rock and uphill and downhill on private land, on public land through environmentally sensitive lands, it's going to have to go into a lot of places that's technologically a challenge and economic challenge, too, which is the price tag. he says mexico will pay for it and some in congress think this project could cost up to $15 billion or roughly ten times as much as we spent on 10 shuttle launches. anderson? >> thanks for that. democratic strategist jonathan and we haven't heard from you tonight, jonathan. what do you make of this? this is stuff donald trump campaigned on and campaigned successfully on. people knew he wanted to build a wall and people were behind that and renegotiating nafta, as well. >> let me talk about the wall and nafta. the first thing is the wall is
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actually trying to deal with the problem that does not exist. this is data from the pew center. mexican immigration is actually declining significantly. it was 5.8 million unauthorized immigrants in the country compared to 6.4 million in 2009 and so this idea of building a wall is really about the politics of division and about, as you point out, a campaign promise donald trump made to actually appeal to people who are afraid and fearful of their jobs and what he did was successfully in someway politically in the midwest, he targeted mexicans as the enemy and that was all about politics. as a practical matter, it doesn't actually address a real problem. on nafta and one of the things tom didn't mention in the analysis was if all these jobs are going to come back to the u.s., and that's a big question. one of the things not talking about will those be unionized jobs and highway jobs because
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what all trade agreements have done is put workers in competition around wages and driven down wages in this country and in mexico. all this debate about nafta and rene renegeuation of nafta, we don't talk about what it will mean for workers. >> i think donald trump could be the new champion of labor unions, and union workers. we saw it with the keystone pipeline, which they like and he just signed that executive order with tpp, they don't like tpp, neither does bernie sanders, neither does donald trump. so i think there could be a realignment and a shift where donald trump wins over the working class white voters but i say this, the one thing about the wall, i don't love the symbolic notion of building a wall. i hope if we actually secure the border which is something we should be able to do as a solve earn nation, if we could secure the border, then i would hope we would have compassion towards dreamers, and toward coming up with a way to compassionately
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deal with people here. i don't think that will be the poll l political will on the right. >> two-thirds of the people -- the undocumented people have lived here a decade. that is part of our society. the wall will keep people out and deport people is unamerican. on the nafta point i want to say the notion that donald trump, that the man who defrauded several thousand people, ripped off people, didn't pay regular people will be the khan ychampi the little person is bs. >> he won a lot of votes. >> we don't need to relate gait. if the economy and mexico gets worse, if people lose their jobs, the comments of vicente fox, there is better paying jobs in mexico which is drawing people to go back to mexico and keep people there. more people will try to cross the border. >> exactly. that is is something that the an obsession of donald trump,
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having fewer undocumented immigrants in the country. the thing that's concerning to me is he's picked this fight with a country that is friend, that is a neighbor, that's an ally in every possible way that we're intertwined with economically, is threatening to basically start a trade war with them which would be detrimental to their economy and our economy and standing up to mexico and mexico has never done anything to us. >> they don't send the best and brightest -- >> they detain more people than we detain. he's doing that and comparing -- talking about lifting sanctions on russia and as nice to putin who is a war criminal, something is wrong here. >> no, no, no. look, look, what we have is a situation where mexico is not a good neighbor. >> how? >> how? >> by having poor people that want jobs? >> because allegedly murderers and rapists --
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>> ask the parents of jamil shaw, the african american 17-year-old kid murdered by an illegal alien. >> that's saying someone was murdered to an irish immigrant and we should export all irish immigrants. >> these are their children. they are not statistics. these are human beings -- >> it's nonexistent. >> it is not -- >> jeffrey, you cannot make policy -- look, based on the tragedy -- >> on an in this cani -- >> you can't make policy broad brush policies based on an in this case dotes,. >> real people are saying yes, it will happen.
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>> you can rile up people and get them upset based on things that are not representative of what is happening. >> look, there are drug cartels operating on the mexican border. some crossed over with gangs into texas and some places -- >> mexican -- >> murdering your own people. >> this kind of stuff has to stop -- >> the mexican government wants that to stop, too. when you say the mexican -- >> they should have control. >> they are trying to control the border but the mexican government has not done anything to the united states. they are our friend. you're suggesting they are intentionally trying -- that's ridiculous. >> no, i'm not saying that. their policies have allowed that and that they are not doing anything to help. >> all right. we got to end it there. we have more breaking news ahead tonight including fallout from the trump administration saying there is a long-serving state department official to leave their jobs. questions who will implement the policies and the first 100 days of the kennedy administration and the words of some of the
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top career state department officials has washington buzzing. any implication these four people quit is wrong another senior official says this is the white house cleaning house. house-cleaning or not, the departure leaves a foggy bottom as the sebcretary of state prepares to take office and how
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the white house intends to run things is christopher hill, assistant secretary of state for asia special affairs and david garrigan. is this out of the normal shift of administrations? >> what is not out of the ordinary is an incoming administration would like to have new people. it's quite customary for people to leave as the new administration comes in. what is a little unusual about this is the abruptness of it and lack of civility to it. pat kennedy served in the state department, served with distincti distinction, served in places like iraq and served for some 45 years and deserved maybe more than 24 hours to clean out his office. i think it's the tone and frankly, if people worry about civility in washington and the need to change that, i think we're kind of going in the wrong
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direction. >> david? do you think. a lot of people may say look, what is wrong with the president wanting his own people in his departments and doing it quickly? >> well, i agree with christopher hill as usual on what he said. but let me go a little beyond that. he has a couple problems. he doesn't have a subcabinet and deputy secretary and assistant secretary. the political appointees that run so deep in the administration are simply lacking. he's sort of home alone and home alone with a foreign service and to fire four critical players in a foreign service and such an abrupt and poli i'm politl impoy sends a terrible message with internal issues at the very moment with the white house acting in such away and bullying mexico for example and very moment that a lot of countries are looking for what are you guys up to?
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he has a hard time on the outside working with other countries trying to assure them the united states is on the right course. if you look at the totality, this weakens 'tiller son at the moment we need a strong secretary of state. >> how long does it take to fill in the subpositions? >> well, you know, all assistant secretaries and under secretaries need congressional hearings and i'm sure that's going to be backed up and right now, there is literally no one there. i do believe, though, that the foreign service wants to be successful with rex 'tiller son and they want them to make him successful so frankly, i think the real relationship that rex 'till tell eer son needs to be mindfu of is make sure he has the trust of the president because otherwise, things could go very badly. >> ambassador, you were ambassador to iraq -- >> one of the questions --
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>> go ahead, david. >> i'm really curious about whether rex tillerson knew this would happen or was blind sided. that makes a big difference. we had the secretary of defense blind sided in a torture statement and the appointment done by the white house without his knowing, without -- he just started to learn after the fact. that is a very dangerous way to play a game. you really do need the secretary of state tightly tied up with the white house as well as working with the well foreign service. >> ambassador hill, you knew iraq well and served as ambassador there. when you hear donald trump talk about taking and continuing to take iraq's oil and perhaps doing that in the future, i just -- i never heard of the united states talking about stealing the oil of a solve e sn
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nation. does it maybe any sentrategical in any way? >> the only things we've ased for countries to bury dead. i think this is quite unusual. putting aside the general point that's never been heard of before, as a practical matter, i'm not sure how that would work. i think, again, it's very important for the former chairman of exxonmobil to have the relationship with the president and perhaps to help the president understand how that can work. >> david garrigan, we're allied with and fighting on -- alongside of to defeat isis, they would not particularly like their oil being taken. >> i have to believe, anderson,
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that he misspoke and talking about taking oil away from isis -- >> no, no, no -- >> that's what he said. i know that's what he said. i just have to believe -- iraq mixed-up with isis in iraq. you know, taking iraq's oil is preposterous on its face and with a sovern nation. there is so much going on and so many stories we're sketcratchin our head on, this got lost in the shuffle. just aaheheahead, america us the auto makers, just ahead.
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since the election, as much as possible we've been getting reporters in the field to talk to people about administration and how policies might affect them. president trump met with the leadership of the top car companies and the meeting went well. it's part of mr. trump's effort to bring back manufacturing jobs, something he's been vocal about. in tonight's america uncovered,
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michigan to see what they are hearing and seeing from this president. >> reporter: willie, dave and rob work at the same ford plant in flat rock, michigan producing an american icon. so flatrock, tell me some of the vehicles i would see or know you-all helped to make or be part of. >> mustang. >> reporter: they share the same pride but not the same politics. how did you vote? >> i voted for donald j. trump. >> i voted for donald trump. >> i voted for donald trump. >> i voted for hillary clinton. >> reporter: you might expect trump's pledge to bring jobs back is the main reason these blue collar men voted for him. jobs made the list but not number one. >> first of all, immigration. i believe people should come but legally. >> gun control. >> i like that he's pro-life and the second one was the job thing he said we'll bring jobs back to america. >> naomi likes the idea of good
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paying jobs but worries about the lack of environmental concern but says she's done okay by the auto industry so far. >> i'm encouraged about our future, but i'm still going to hold that skepticism. i'll let you know in 100 days, how is that? >> reporter: if there is one issue near but not dear, it's the north american free trade agreement, nafta. do you think he should get rid of nafta? >> what do they call it? free trade. it should be fair trade. >> our country seems to be let's buy from everybody else and we're losing jobs daily. >> it is an unfair playing field out there as far as, you know, the taxes and everything against automotive made in the u.s. >> reporter: just prior to trump taking office, ford did a surprising 180 cancelling plans to move some car production to mexico. this after trump heavily
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criticized the company during the campaign. do you think that weighed into ford's decision? >> absolutely. >> ford said no. >> absolutely. >> no. >> out of arrogance, of course, they will. >> you do? >> i'm proud to work for ford motor company, the name brand known around the world but still, they are not going to go yes, we were bullied by donald trump. >> naomi disagrees believing ford changed the name on business not bullying. >> i think they are giving him too much credit. >> willie, dave and rob don't fool themselves that trump is a union guy. they don't think he is. more than anything, they wanted change. >> what if he doesn't deliver? >> it will feel like a punch in the gut. it will be devastating. >> i hope he delivers because, i mean, he's up to everything and we have two supporting him. >> i'm not as confident as my union brother here, but i am
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encouraged. >> reporter: working as they do, these auto workers know something to be true. by themselves, none of them make a car. >> at the end of the day, we all work together. >> yeah. >> and we're all -- >> reporter: on the line as a nation. >> at the end of the day, we're all together. >> both. >> and martin joins us now. there is there anything that concerns them so far about president trump? >> reporter: yeah, a number of things but primary foreign affairs. they do believe donald trump certainly is bonefia fide when comes to being a businessman and how that translates into their job but international affairs, that's where they are concerned not just because of course, problems you can run into, conflicts you can run into but trade conflicts you can run into. we've talked about that already today. not just with, say, mexico but what about someone like china? both auto makers, ford and gm
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are heavily invested and betting on trade with china. if they were to go wrong, red percussions domestically in this country would be huge and even the auto worker in detroit on the line understands that connection very well. anderson? >> thanks very much. coming up, president's first 100 days. the challenges they bring and history they produce. it's worth to look back. the intensity of the first 100 days in jfk's america.
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we're in day seven of the trump white house, the first 100 days of any presidency is benchmark for success and set the tone for an entire administration. some of the most popular presidents face intense challenges in their first 100 days but battle through them. tonight we begin a series called the first 100 days. it featured the first-hand accounts of those that experienced the first 100 days in the white house and those who studied them from the out side. we start with the presidency of john f. kennedy. ♪ ♪
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[ applause ] >> do solemnly swear. >> yo i will faithfully executer office of president of the united states. >> and will to the best of your ability. >> and will to the best of my ability. >> the theme, of course, of kennedy, we'll get the country moving again, it was a spark and there was that sense of youth, that feeling of okay, we're moving to something younger and hopefully better. >> the inauguration was bit early cold, and kennedy did not wear an over coat, so we had to go without our over coats, too, so i was freezing most of the day. he seemed to be had inner warmth coming from the fact that he was about to become president of the
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united states. >> there was a symbolism involved in jfk's refusal to wear a coat and hat. >> john f kennedy was very sick. kennedy hid a lot of illnesses. he had addisons disease. any time you see john f kennedy as president, there is a great chance of that very moment he's suffering. >> in order to dispel that sense that maybe he wasn't as healthy as he appeared on the surface, i think the lack of a coat and the lack of a hat suggested that i'm vigorous and strong, here i am. >> to serve, protect and defend the contusion of the united states. >> so help you got. >> so help me god. [ applause ] >> i was a senior in high school when kennedy was inaugurated, and i remember listening to that and the line resonates, let the
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world go forth. >> that the torch has been passed to a new generation of americans born in this century, by war, by a hard and bitter piece. >> and that was a real kind of jolt. >> the whole country had a sense of possibility. kennedy part of his attitude, his youth, his programs, all of it together made people think they were better and they thought they were. and that was his greatest achievement. >> my fellow americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. >> and the election represented an inspiration and vitality of a
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new generation coming into power. it was not simply the soaring rhetoric of the inauguration that promised a lot of action and motion and directions but the idea that the youngest president ever elected was coming into office right after the oldest president, eisenhower at 70 was leaving office. there was a sense of activism, a sense of citizen involvement and a sense to be a change from the silent generation of the '50s. >> good evening my fellow citizen citizens. >> first great success in space when the russians pushed a man across the threshold. he was the astronaut the russians said was the first to orbit the earth. >> kennedy campaigned against the missile gap, that we were behind the soviet and in a very dangerous situation. >> low and behold his president
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in the soviet union puts him into space and we look like we are way behind on the space race, and kennedy is there holding the bag. >> i do not regard the first man in space as a sign of the weakening of the, of the free worl world. >> the space challenge, which had begun with sputnik in the 1950s was a proxy for the cold war. it meant russia seemed to be ahead of us, so another blow for the kennedys during that first 100 days was that a russian goes up into space. >> i know he was convinced that the battle of the cold war was also a battle for prestitigpres >> it also reminded us that the soviet built up the military and a threat to the united states
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with the helweapons. >> within just ten-day or so period, kennedy had two black eyes. he had the soviet union putting somebody in space and the baya pig fiasco. >>ist it's a tale for failure. also, how kennedy used lessons from that failure to avoid world war iii, we'll be right back. only at&t offers you all your live channels and dvr on your devices, data-free.
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we're continuing our first 100 days series with a look at john f. kennedy. before the break suffered a failure with the soviet union beati beating u.s. in the space race. not the worst defeat of the first 100 days. >> coming in, youngest president ever won presidency. and coming in seemingly inexperienced, particularly in foreign affairs. so kennedy thought gosh i don't
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want to just get rid of all of the old guard, particularly people at defense and cia that had been up to snuff on the most modern in recent intelligence information. hence john f. kennedy inherited the bay of pigs invasion plan from the eisenhower administration. >> they had already begun a plan to send a group of cia sponsored cubans into cuba with the thought if they landed on cuban soil, the cuban people would rise up against fidel castro. and jfk somehow early on decided he was going to continue that plan. >> when we landed i was in the last boat to arrive there. second battalion was already fighting. we had airborne troops dropped
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in different areas. we had very heavy fighting. tanks, a few tanks, and they had tanks. >> all we had was radio reports. all garbled and confused because our guys were getting whipped. gradually became clearer we had taken a body blow. >> think what the hawks were imagining was once kennedy made the decision to send in the cia-sponsored force, if a problem arose he would have air cover and even send in actual invasion force. he decided not to do the air strikes so whole plan became the most bungled humiliating plan you could possibly imagine. >> how many landed? approximately 1400. about 120, 126 were killed. and 1350 were captured or
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surrendered. we kind of let the cuban exile invasion group dangle on their own and face capture and for fidel castro, huge victim oi over the kennedy administration right off the bat. >> most of us blamed whatever weakness john f. kennedy showed in stopping the air assault that stopped us accomplish our objective. he betrayed us. >> it was disaster for him, humiliation for the united states. and he realized i was a damn fool in that situation. never should have allowed cia and other people to bully me into doing this. i'm going to take control of my
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own presidency. it was at that point that kennedy began to change as president. to his enormous credit, he took the blame for it. >> saying that victory has a hundred fathers and defeat is an orphan. the statements, detailed discussions are not to conceal responsibility because i'm the responsible officer of the government but merely because -- and that is quite obvious but merely because i don't believe such a discussion would benefit us during the present difficult situation. >> he never tried to disavow that responsibility of having screwed it up. which he did. but he changed a lot of things after that in the white house to make command, control of the military, much stronger.
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>> it was a pretty rocky 100 days. yet he had come through it i think with a certain kind of maturity. he had come through some difficult times, having learned from his mistakes. >> remarkable achievement i think when we reflect back on kennedy's 100 days, that's the period i think america started taking space exploration seriously and seeing the cold war benefits of trying to beat the soviets at their own game of space technology. that spurs kennedy on into going to congress early in '61, in the spring and say look, we're going to put a man on the moon by the end of this decade. >> it's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> and of course that's what we remember after the fact, the success of the man on the moon
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and forget the failure of not the first person to do sputnik or first country to do cosmonaut. kennedy didn't get to see it. >> from the bay of bigs to the cuban missile crisis and become a better president. magnificent in that crisis. >> it shall be the policy of this nation to regard any missile launched by cuba against anybody in this hemisphere as attack from the soviet union requiring retaliatory response upon the soviet union. >> the lesson from the bay of pigs was translated to the cuban missile crisis. big question is should we bomb? and kennedy according to mcnamara said i want to hear
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everyone's recommendation on this around the room. they went around the room and according to mcnamara at the end kennedy said okay, it is 9-7 in favor of bombing. the 7s have it. in other words no. i'm not going to do what the officials say. i'm not going to escalate this situation. i think that's probably one of the most important moments for kennedy and for the presidency. >> we'll be right back. ...doesn. ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with class-leading horsepower.
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and that does it for us. thanks for watching. have a great evening. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts right now. the white house has a blunt message for the press. shut up! this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. chief strategist telling "new york times" the press should quote keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while. meanwhile looking like one step forward, two steps back. mexico's president canceling visit. trump later s