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topping this hour "360," the wall and massive voter fraud. a summit meeting between president trump and mexico's president called off. an executive action to investigate voter fraud debunked clai claims on hold. do we know what happened with the voter fraud executive action that was supposed to be signed today? was it a matter of president trump running date? >> it's a mystery. president trump was scheduled to sign the action on voter fraud. he's been talking about it for several days here.
the white house press secretary said he would sign it at 4:30. he traveled to philadelphia today to meet with republican members of the house and senate, and leadership. they said he would sign it when he came back. i was on the trip with him. he came back and didn't sign it. they said he was running late and will do it tomorrow or saturday. he is still committed to this. he talks about it a lot. a lot of republicans, frankly, hope he stops talking about this and starts focusing on other things. i do expect it tomorrow or saturday if not by then, then we will wonder what happened with this. as of now, today it seemed like it was a scheduling issue. these executive actions and orders are backing up here. he has several he's talked about but has not signed. >> the meeting president trump and the president of mexico were supposed to have next week is no longer on the books. it seemed like the mexico president declined it and president trump said we both decided it wasn't going to happen. >> it wasn't quite like that. the mexican president definitely
declined it first. and he did it on social media. in a way that donald trump perhaps might understand, and president trump was flying to philadelphia. he was aboard air force one. his first flight on air force one when the news came over that this meeting next week was suddenly not going to be scheduled. so donald trump in philadelphia when he was meeting with republicans, he said look, we both agreed to cancel this. it would be a fleet frooutless meeting. we have a difference of opinion. anderson, you can remember well through the campaign. this is an anthem of his campaign that mexico will pay for the wall. that is not the situation now. the reality here now is republicans in the house and senate in the majority of government here have to decide how to pay for this campaign pledge. it's going to be incredibly expensive and complicated as president trump has said. there will not be a meeting next week. this is the first stand off
diplomatically, and most members of congress and others are worried about this becoming a trade war or something else here. it escalated very quickly. >> jeff, thank you. from mexico, cnnlela in mexico city. she joins us. any word with mexico's president would be open to sit down with president trump in the future? >> reporter: you know, that was actually the tweet he sent out immediately after he said i will not be attending that meeting. he said i extend my friendship, and i am open to relations that could be neutrally beneficial, but the mexican president sort of standing his ground. certainly resonated with the people of mexico. i had a chance to talk to some people on the streets. i spoke to one family who was not aware that the mexican president cancelled the meeting. when i explained it, you could see their faces light up.
it was almost as if dignity had been restored. you could see their pleased and they thought of it as a victory, and that comes after several senators, former presidents sort of spoke out and asked the president to stand his ground. and really distefend mexico's interest. we are clearly seeing where mexico's president stands. >> i spoke last night in a broadcast. he was concerned basically trade wars can hurt mexico and the united states. sean spicer today floated the idea of a 20% tax on imports from mexico. how concerned are mexican officials about that possibility? >> reporter: it's typically the first thing that comes up when i talk to them. i've been here for two weeks talking to mexicans and also mexican government officials. this is something that could wreak havoc on both sides.
the economic minister has already said if the u.s. makes such a move, they will respond immediately. and given the trade between the two, we're talking about $1.5 billion daily, that's something that could certainly have an impact. let's take cars for example. a 20% tax could make it more expense i to not only produce but also to export as well. and who is going to pay for that? it could be the american consumer. and i just talked to one mexican senator who took it one step further talking about the depenn trade. and to be exact, and i'll quote the u.s. chamber of commerce, 6 million u.s. jobs depend on trade with mexico. if it slows down because of a 20% tax, his point was it's not only american consumers paying for it but also possibly u.s.
jobs. >> thank you. let's dig deeper into with a 20% tariff would mean. lindsey graham said any penalty that drives up booze is a bad idea. tom foreman joins us with the multibillion dollar bottom line. >> $1 million every minute. that is how much business is being transacted between the united states and mexico according to the wilson center, a respected think tank in washington d.c. what form does that take? in 2015 mexico sent $295 billion worth of vehicles, machinery and fuel to the united states. the same year the united states sent $236 billion worth of machinery, vehicles, plastics and so on into mexico. a lot of stuff that involves a lot of people. we heard that number a moment ago from the u.s. chamber of
commerce. 6 million jobs in the u.s. relying on mexico. if you had a 20% tariff or tax on everything coming from mexico over there, what is the impact over here? the white house hopes that would put pressure on all those businesses that have moved down there for cheaper labor and make them say it's no longer cheaper. that would bring the industry home. that would boost employment here. it would expand business and expand production and put the u.s. more in charge of its own future. those are the potential positives. but what about the potential negatives in all of this? you could see consumer prices being pushed up on both sides of the border. remember, you're getting things cheaply right now because of the way business is done now. that would change. it could also drive up production costs for u.s. companies, because now they have to get supplies and things from mexico that are going to cost them more. that may make them cut back some
of the jobs that are one back. and mexico has its own sanctions in place in worse case scenario. maybe other countries get involved, and then there's a trade war. >> a lot of focus on the wall. how complicated of a project is that potentially? >> it's not getting easier. let's look at the basic facts. the wall would have to cover 2,000 miles of border. the highlights are areas to the west where there's already some kind of fence or wall in place. a lot of it is like this. it's vehicle fences. they're relatively simple, relatively inexpensive. they keep people from driving in. other areas have pedestrian fences like this. they're more complicated and more expensive. what does donald trump want to have? what he's talking about would be a 40 foot version of a wall. in relation to me it would be roughly this big and he wants to cover about 1,000 miles of the
border with it. that is a tall order. it's going to have to go through river bottoms and be on sand and rock and go uphill and downhill on private land and public land, through environmentally sensitive land. it's going to have to go in a lot of places that are te challenged. and the price tag. some in congress now in his party are saying this project could cost up to $15 billion or roughly ten times as much as we spent on ten shuttle launches. >> all right. thank you for that. the panel joining us is jonathan taseni. we haven't heard from you tonight. what do you make of this? this is stuff donald trump campaigned successfully on. people knew he wanted to build a wall. they were behind it. people voted for him, and renegotiating nafta as well. >> let me talk about the wall
and nafta. they're separate but connected. the first thing is the wall is trying to do with a wall that does not exist. this is data from the pew center. mexican immigration has been declining significantly. it was 5.8 million unauthorized immigrants in the country compared to 6 .4 million in 2009 n. so this idea of building a wall is really about the politics that the vision and about as you point out a campaign promise that donald trump made in order to actually appeal to people who are afraid and fearful of their jobs and what he did was successfully in some way, politically at least in the midwest was he targeted mexicans as the enemy. that was all about politics. as a practical matter, it doesn't address a real problem. on nafta, and one of the things that tom didn't mention in his analysis was if all these jobs are going to come back to the u.s., and that's a big question. one of the things they're not talking about is are they union
jobs or high wage jobs in what all trade agreements have done is put workers in competition and driven down wages in this country and mexico. all the negotiation about nafta, we're not talking about what it's going to mean for wages. >> look, i think that donald trump could be the new champion of labor unions. and union workers. we saw it with the keystone pipeline which they like and he signed that executive order. with tpp. they don't like tpp. neither was bernie sanders. neither was donald trump. i think there could be a realignment and a shift where donald trump wins over this working class white voters. but i would say this. in t one thing about the wall. i don't love the symbolic notion of building a wall, but i hope if we actually secure the border which is something that we should be able to do as a sovereign nation. if we could secure the border, then i would hope that we would have some compassion toward dreamers, and toward coming up
with a way to compassionately deal with people who are here. i don't think there will be the political will or the ability to do that on the right until we secure the border. >> two-thirds of the people who live in this country have lived here for -- undocuments, lived here for a decade. they are part of our society. and the notion that the wall is going to keep people out or deport people is kind of un-american. but on the nafta point, i want to say the notion that donald trump, that the man who defrauded several thousand people, didn't pay regular people, is going to be the champion of the little person is bs. >> he won a lot of their votes. >> we don't need to relitigate why he won the votes. kiersten, it's interesting. if the economy in mexico gets worse, people lose their jobs, there's better paying jobs in mexico which is drawing people to go back to mexico and keeping people there. more people would try to cross the border. >> right. and this is something that is an
obsession of donald trump's. having fewer undocumented immigrants in our country. the thing that is concerning to me is he has picked this fight with a country that is a friend, that is a neighbor, that's an ally in every way that we are intertwined with economically. is threatening to basically start a trade war. that's detrimental to both economies. mexico has never done anything to us. >> to his point, they don't send their best and brighter. >> that's not true. they detain more people than we detain as they're getting to the border. he's doing that and then talking act lifting sanctions on russia and is nice to putin who is a totalitarian war criminal. something is wrong here. >> no. no. look. what we have here is a situation where mexico has not been a good neighbor. they have not been a good neighbor. >> how? >> how? well, ask. >> like what?
>> because allegedly all the murders are coming in. >> ask the family of a 17-year-old kid murdered by an illegal alien. >> that's like saying someone was murdered by an irish immigrant so we need to deport them. speak to the statistics. they are law-abiding people. >> they are human beings. not statistics. >> it's a nonexistent issue. >> it is not. >> you cannot make policy based on the tragedy of the very real obvious horrific tragedy of individuals. you can't make broad brushed policies based on anecdotes? >> they're not just anecdotes. >> i know. but statistically -- >> anderson, this is the problem that we had in the election. everybody was saying statistically this wasn't going to happen. and real people out there are saying yes, it is going to happen.
>> you can rile up people and get them upset based on things which are not representative of what's happening nationwide. >> there are drug cartels in the mexican borders. some of them have crossed over into texas. this kind of stuff has to stop. >> but the mexican government wants that to stop too. that's the point. >> the mexican government wants it to stop. >> they should have had control of their borders. >> they're trying -- >> but they're not. >> the mexican government has not done anything to the united states. they're our friend. you're suggesting they're intentionally trying to send somebody to shoot someone. that's ridiculous. >> i'm not saying that. i'm saying their policies have allowed that and they're not doing anything to help. >> we have to end it there. breaking news ahead tonight including fallout from the trump administration telling state department officials to leave their jobs. questions about who will be left in implement policies.
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the forced departure of four top career state department officials has washington buzzing. any implication these four people quit is wrong another senior official says this is the people are not quitting and running away in discuss. this is the white house cleaning house. house-cleaning or not, the departure leaves a foggy bottom as the secretary of state prepares to take office and how the white house intends to run things is christopher hill, assistant secretary of state for asia special affairs and david garrigan. ambassador, you're a career d diplomat. is this out of the ordinary? >> well, first of all, what is not out of the ordinary is an incoming administration would like to have some new people, and so it is quite customary
to -- for people to leave as the new administration comes in. what's a little unusual about this is the abruptness of it, and the rather lack of civility to it. i mean, pat kennedy has served in the state department, served with distinction, served in places like iraq. he's served for some 45 years and deserved more than 24 hours to clean out his office. i think it's the tone, and frankly, if people worry about civility in washington and the need to change it, i think we're kind of going in the wrong direction. >> david, what do you think? some people might say what's wrong with the president wanting his own people and doing it quickly? >> well, i agree with christopher as usual. let me go beyond that. he has a couple of problems. one is he doesn't have a sub cabinet. he doesn't have a deputy secretary or undersecretary or assistant secretaries.
all the political apoen tees are lacking. he's sort of home alone, and he's home alone with the foreign service, and to fire four critical players in a foreign service in such an abrupt, impolite way sends a terrible message to the foreign service. i think rex tillerson comes in with internal issues at the very moment when the white house is acting in such a way and bullying mexico in the very moment a lot of countries are looking for what you're up to, and he has a hard time on the outside working with other countries trying to ensure them the united states is on the right course. if you look at the totality. it weakens rex tillerson at the moment we need a secretary of state. >> ambassador, how long does it take to fill in those sub positions? >> all the assistant secretaries and undersecretaries will need confirmation hearings. i'm sure that will be backed up.
right now there's literally no one there. i believe the foreign service wants to be successful with rex tillerson. they want to make him successful. so frankly, i think the real relationship that rex tillerson needs to be mindful of and needs to cement is to make sure he has the complete trust of this new president, because otherwise things could go very badly. >> ambassador, you were ambassador to iraq -- >> i was just going to ask, and chris may review on this. i'm curious about whether rex tillerson knew in advance this was going to happen or if he was blind sided by the white house. that makes a big difference. we just had the secretary of defense was blind sided on a couple of issues including the torture statements this week and earlier about the appointment of an army secretary without his knowing and learned after the fact. that is a very dangerous way to
play a game. you really do need the secretary of state tightly tied up with the white house as well as working well with the foreign service. >> ambassador hill, you know iraq well. you served as ambassador there. when you hear trump to talk about taking iraq's oil and about perhaps doing that in the future, i just -- i've never heard of the united states talking about stealing the oil of a sovereign nation that we are allied with and fighting on behalf of. does it make any sense from you strategically, militarically,im? >> we've only asked countries to bury our dead on their land. i think this is quite unusual. but putting aside the sort of general point that it frankly has never been heard of before, i just as a practical matter, i'm not sure how that would
work. so i think, again, it's very important for the former chairman of exxon mobil to have the relationship with the president and perhaps to help the president understand how that can work. >> because, david gergen, the iraqis who we are fighting alongside of to defeat isis, they would not particularly like their oil being taken. >> i have to believe, anderson, that he misspoke. and he was talking act about taking oil from isis as in the past. >> but he's talk -- >> i know. that's what he said. i know that's what he said, but i have to believe -- iraq mixed up with isis and iraq. taking iraq's oil is propostrouse on its face with a sovereign nation. i don't think we're going to go down that path. the truth is there's so much going on now.
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since the election as much as possible we've been getting our reporters out to talk to people about the administration. president trump met with the leadership of america's top car companies and by all accounts the meeting went well. it's part of his efforts to bring back manufacturing jobs. in tonight's america uncovered, martin savidge talks to auto workers about what they're hearing and seeing from this president. >> reporter: these men all work at the same ford plant in michigan producing an american icon. flat rock, tell me some of the vehicles i would see or know you all helped to make or be a part of. >> the mustang. >> reporter: they all share the same pride, but not the same politics. how did you vote? >> i voted for donald trump.
>> i voted for donald trump. >> i voted for donald trump. >> i voted for hillary clinton. >> reporter: you might expect trump's pledge to bring jobs back was the main reason they voted for him. jobs made the list. but they weren't number one. >> first of all, immigration. i believe people should come into this country, but legally. >> gun control and stuff like that. >> i liked his stance that he's pro life. and the second one was the jobs thing that he said we're going to bring jobs back to america. >> reporter: naomi likes the idea of good paying jobs but worries about the lack of environmental concerns. she admits he's done okay by the auto industry so far. >> i'm encouraged about our future, but i'll let you know in 100 days. >> reporter: if there is one issue near but not dear to many auto workers, it's nafta. do you think he should get rid
of nafta? >> what do they call it? free trade? that seems like the wrong terminology. it should be fair trade. >> our country seems to be let's buy from everybody else, and we're losing jobs daily. >> it is an unfair playing field out there as far as the taxes and everything against automotives that are made in the u.s. >> reporter: prior to trump taking office ford did a surprising 180 cancelling plans to move some car production to mexico. this after trump heavily criticized the company during the campaign. do you think that weighed into ford's decision? >> absolutely. >> ford says no. >> out of arrogance, of course they will. >> but you think so? >> i do, and i'm proud to work for ford motor company. the name brand known around the world, but still, they're not going to go out and say yes, we were bullied by donald trump. >> reporter: naomi believes they
changed their mind based on business. >> i don't think he had any influence on that. i think they're giving him so much credit. >> reporter: the men don't fool themselves that trump is a union guy. they don't think he is, but more than anything, they wanted change. what if he doesn't deliver? >> it will feel like a punch in the gut. it will be devastating. >> i hope he delivers. because he's put up everything. we have too on supporting him. >> i'm not as confident as my union brother here, but i am encouraged. >> reporter: working as they do, these auto workers know something to be true. by themselves, none of them make a car. >> at the end of the day, we all work together. >> yeah. >> and we're all -- >> reporter: on the line or as a nation? >> absolutely. at the end of the day, we're all together. >> both. >> reporter: and martin join us. >> is there anything that concerns them so far about
president trump? >> reporter: yeah, there are a number of things but primarily it's foreign affairs. they believe donald trump certainly is bone if ied when it comes to understanding how business operates and how it translates into their jobs but international affairs is where they're concerned. not just because of problems you could run into, conflicts you could run into but trade conflicts you could run into. we've talked about that already today. not just with, say, mexico but what about someone like china? both ford and gm are heavily invested and betting on trade with china. if that goes wrong the problems domestically in this country would be huge, and even the auto worker in detroit on the line understands that connection very well. >> thank you very much. coming up, the president's first 100 days. the challenges they bring and the history they produce. we'll look back in history. coming up next the first 100
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we're in day seven of the trump white house. the first 100 days of any president sees it as a benchmark for success. some of our country's most popular presidents faced intense challenges but battle through them and were better for us. tonight a series called the first 100 days. it's the firsthand accounts of people who experienced the first 100 days in the white house. we start with john f kennedy's
presidency. >> i solemnly swear. >> that you will faithfully execute the office of president of the united states. >> and will to the best of your ability. >> and will to the best of my ability. >> the theme of kennedy, we're going to get the country moving again. it was a spark. and there was that sense of youth, that feeling of okay, we're moving to something younger and hopefully better. >> the day of inauguration was bitterly cold. and kenley did not wear an overcoat, so we had to go with our overcoats too. i was freezing most of the day. he seemed to be an inner warmth
coming from the back. he loved to become president of the united states. >> there was a symbolism involved in his refusal to wear a coat and hat. >> john f. kennedy was sick. he hid a lot of his illnesses. we now know he had addison's disease. any time you see john f. kennedy as president, there's a great chance he's suffering. >> and in order to dispel that sense that maybe he wasn't as healthy as he appeared on the surface, i think the lack of a coat and hat suggested that i'm vigorous. i'm strong. here i am. >> preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states. >> so help you god. >> so help me god. >> i was a senior in high school when kennedy was inaugurated, and i remember listening to that
and the line resonates, let the world go forth -- >> that the torch has been passed to a new generation of americans born in this century, tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace. >> and that was a real kind of jolt. >> the whole country had a sense of possibility. kennedy part of his attitude, youth, program, all of it together made people think they were better than they thought they were. that was his greatest achievement. >> my fellow americans, ask not what your country can do for you. ask what you can do for your country.
>> his election represented a vitality of a new generation coming into power. it was not the soaring rhetoric of inauguration that promised new direction. it was the idea that the yu youngest president was coming into president after the oldest president was leaving office. so there was a sense of activism, a sense of citizen involvement, and a sense that there would be a change from the silence generation of the 50s. >> good evening, my fellow citizens. >> and at his first success in space where the russians pushed a man across the threshold. >> kennedy had campaigned and n 1960 against what he called the missile gap. that we were behind the soviets. and that we were in a dangerous
situation. >> low and behold, he's president and the soviet union puts a man into space, and we look like we are way behind on the space race, and kennedy's there holding the bag. >> i do not regard the first man in space as a sign of the weakening of the free world. >> the space challenge which had begun in the 50s really was a proxy for the cold war. it meant russian seemed to be ahead of us. so another blow for the kennedys during that first 100 days was when a russian went into space. >> i know he was convinced that the battle of the cold war was also a battle for prestige. >> it also reminded us that the soviets built up their military,
and they were a threat to the united states with the weapons. they put a man in space, and that suggested they were on our tail. >> within just ten days or so period, kennedy had two black eyes. he had the soviet union putting someone in space, and he had the bay of pigs fiasco. >> the bay of pigs fiasco has become a cautionary tale for any president for failure. a little known story of how that mission unfolded told by insiders and fighters on the ground and how kennedy used the lessons from that war to avoid world war iii. we'll be right back.
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wouldn't it be great if you had investments that worked as hard as you do? yeah. introducing essential portfolios. the automated investing solution that lets you focus on your life. we're continuing our first 100 day series with a look at john f. kennedy. before the break he suffered a cold war beating the u.s. in a key accomplishment in the space race. it's not the biggest defeat in the first 100 days. that comes one week later. take a look. >> kennedy was coming in this youngest president ever who won in a presidency. and he was coming in as
seemingly inexperienced, particularly in foreign affairs, and so kennedy thought, gosh, i don't want to just get rid of all the people at defense and cia that had been up to snuff on the most modern and recent intelligence information. hence john f. kennedy inherited the bay of pigs invasion plan from the eisenhower administration. >> they had already begun a plan to send a group of cia sponsored cubans into cuba with the thought if they landed on cuban soil, the cuban people would rise up against fidel castro. and jfk somehow early on decided he was going to continue that plan. >> when we landed i was in the last boat to arrive there.
2nd battalion was already fighting. we had airborne troops dropped in different areas. we had very heavy fighting. tanks. we had a few tanks. and they had tanks. >> all we had was radio reports. all became rather garbled and confused because our guys is getting whipped. it gradually became clearer that we had taken a body blow. >> i think what the hawks were imagining was that once kennedy made the decision to send in the cia-sponsored force that if a problem arose he would have air cover and then he would even send in an actual invasion force. he decided not to do the air strikes. and so the whole plan became the most bungled, humiliating plan you could possibly imagine. >> how many men landed? approximately 1,400.
about 120, 126 were killed. and 1,350 were captured or surrendered. >> we kind of let the cuban exile invasion group dangle on their own and face a disaster. and for fidel castro this was a huge victory over the kennedy administration right off the bat. >> but most of us blamed whatever weakness john f. kennedy showed in stopping the air assault that prevented us from accomplish our objective. he betrayed us. >> it was a disaster for him. it was a humiliation for the united states. and he realized i was a damn fool in that situation. i never should have allowed the cia and these other people to
bully me into doing this. and i'm going to take control of my own presidency. and it was at that point that kennedy really began to change as president. kennedy to his enormous credit took the blame for it. >> there's an old saying that victory has 100 fathers and defeat is an orphan. through the statements, detailed discussions are not to conceal responsibility because i'm the responsible officer of the government but merely because -- and that is quite obvious. but merely because i do not believe such a discussion would benefit us during the present difficult situation. >> he never tried to disavow that responsibility for having screwed it up. which he did. but he changed a lot of things after that in the white house to make command, control of the
military much stronger. >> it was a pretty rocky 100 days. yet he had come through it i think with a certain kind of maturity. he had come through some difficult times, having learned from his mistakes. >> remarkable achievement i think when we reflect back on kennedy's 100 days is that that's the period i think america started taking space exploration seriously and seeing the cold war benefits of trying to beat the soviets at their own game of space technology. that spurs kennedy on into going to congress early in '61, in the spring and say look, we're going to put a man on the moon by the end of this decade. >> it's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> and of course that's what we remember after the fact, the
success of the man on the moon and forget the failure of not having been the first person to do sputnik or the first country to do the cosmonaut. even though jfk didn't get to see it. >> kennedy went from the bay of pigs in his first 100 days to the cuban missile crisis are 14 months later. and by that time he was a much better president. and he was magnificent in his leadership in the cuban missile crisis. >> it shall be the policy of this nation to regard any missile launched by cuba against any nation in this hemisphere as an attack from the soviet union on the united states, requiring a full retaliatory response on the soviet union. >> the very important lesson of the bay of pigs got translated to the cuban missile crisis. the big question was should we bomb? and kennedy according to
mcnamara said okay, i want to go around the room and hear everyone's recommendation on this. and so they went around the room, and according to mcnamara at the end kennedy said okay, it is 9-7 in favor of bombing. the 7s have it. in other words, no. i'm not going to do what the officials say. i'm not going to escalate this situation. i think that's probably one of the most important moments for kennedy and for the presidency. >> we'll be right back. ♪
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and that does it for us. thanks for watching. have a great evening. "cnn tonight with don lemon" starts now. the white house has a blunt message for the press. shut up! this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. chief strategist steve bannon telling "new york times" the press should quote keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while. meanwhile looking like one step o' forward, two steps back for the trump white house. mexico's president canceling his visit in the wake of president trump's order to begin building a border wall. visit. trump later saying the decision to scrap the meeting was mutual. press secretary secretary sean spicer telling reporters trump wants to hit mexico with a 20% tax on imports, only to walk that back hours later saying the president is still weighing his options.