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this. everybody in this room not to mention everybody in this country, is a dezendent scent o immigrant. >> except for native americans. >> they came from somewhere else, too. so that's where we start on this. his only point here is that when people come into this country from elsewhere, we need to know who they are. i mean, this woman that came in, that went to san bernardino on this so-called k1 fiance visa, she apparently had all sorts of stuff on her social media that basically said she was coming here for jihad purposes. nobody paid attention. and 14 people dead at a holiday, a christmas party just at the office. that's nuts. >> which is horrible. i don't think especially anybody that knows you, you don't have any ill intention. you're not up to anything negative at all. and yet, there are consequences to the rhetoric. george w. bush went to a mosque
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to try to calm this thing down. i've never seen trump do that. we've got somebody here i want to bring to the attention of our audience. aresh singh who is a sikh american. he was ejected from a trump rally and people were saying anti-muslim things. i want to hear from you. >> i'm a sikh and i don't claim to smeek for others but i interpret the sikh faith to stand up against injustice that others are facing and that injustice was seen very much so in this election. trump's claim that thousands and thousands muslims new jersey city, new jersey muslims were cheering on the 9/11 attacks a complete fabrication. he said that to large audience, he broadcast that to thousands to millions who are watching on tv. on live stream. to do that about jersey city, new jersey, a community that is home to a large arab population, large south asian population, muslims but also hindus, sikhs,
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it's incredible that someone could do that and that person is now our president that we have this kind of situation. that's injustice you have to stand up against. >> what do you think about that? don't you think trump needs to do a lot more? he's hurt a lot of folks' feelings. george w. bush went to that mosque. is he letting folks down? what should he be doing? >> i think, i mean, he's only been there six days. let's give him a little slack here. but you know, he has talked already to all kinds of people. good lord, he's had al gore in to see him. >> he tweets about everything. can't he tweet something positive. >> what i'm saying is, he's a new yorker. he has lived all his life in a diversity community. he knows people all over the map of all -- in all walks of life, construction people, et cetera. >> okay. he could just say that. that would be good. >> and i mean, i think he will. >> but do you understand that if
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you. >> i do. >> a you were a sikh, the environment right now would make you nervous. would you be nervous if you had to wear that turban? >> sure, probably i would. i was nervous when i went to the women's march and people were saying things to me i can't say on camera. i got nervous. i had a friend with me. it really happened. >> but that's terrible. that's terrible. and you know, both sides, that's the kind of stuff that needs to stop in america. you should be able to go to a rally and be a part of anything here. that's wrong. i'm sorry. >> exactly. okay. we've got one more person before they yank me out of here. i'm a big environmentalist. >> no. >> you're shocked to hear this. >> this was not on the briefing card. >> exactly. i want to hear from a fellow environmentalist, lisa levine, an attorney here in new york. >> thank you. why does donald trump refuse to accept climate change science? >> because there are a lot of people out there that don't
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accept it. you know, let me sort of bring this around to the problem we have with political correctness. climate science there's a lot of things out there. there is this feeling if a certain group of people, for instance, this figure that was debunked in the "wall street journal" quite awhile ago about what 97% of -- and some climatologists said look, this is a terribly misleading figure, isn't accurate. there are climatologists out there who disagree with all of this. >> but jeffrey, it's such a tiny -- there are people out there who also scientists who will tell you smoking doesn't cause cancer. you always have that minority. >> right. >> but aren't you worried about, remember my or well thing. aren't you worried if the government changes and the science changes, is isn't that disturbing. >> i believe totally we should let science be science. and i'll speak for myself here, not for donald trump.
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to be perfectly candid, i worry that science along with a lot of other things, the law, journalism, et cetera, is infected with politics. and that people do things for political reasons because there was a woman that. >> listen, i can't argue with you that there might be some of that. facts are facts. the amount of carbon in the atmosphere. >> or alternative fantastics. >> those not alternative facts. those are called lies. >>. [ applause ] >> i got to go. they're pulling me. luckily we get a chance to do this all the time. i want to thank all my guests. i love it so much. i want to thank the studio audience, everybody at home. we had a great conversation. keep it going at dinner tables. "cnn tonight" with the wonderful amazing don lemon, my teacher. it starts right now. don lemon.
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give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to be free. that is the statue of liberty, of course. and unless you're from syria, iran, iraq, sudan, libya, yemen, or somalia. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. president donald trump sign agorder for extreme vetting of immigrants and saying persecuted christian refugees will be given priority. plus for the second time in a week, the streets of washington flooded with demonstrate percent. this time they're anti-abortion activists. will they be happy with him president trump's pick for the supreme court? with the eyes of the world watching, did president trump pass the test in his first face to face with a world leader. i want to get to senior white house correspondent jim acosta. i see you right in front of the white house. the president went to the pentagon late this afternoon where he took action to limit
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the flow of refugees coming into the country. here's the president. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. we want to ensure that we are not admitting into our country the very threats our soldiers are fighting overseas. we only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love, deeply, our people. >> jim what, more do we know about the president's actions today? >> niece are very sweeping actions in this executive order. just going through them, it's pretty striking. 90 days that we're seeing a suspension of visas being issued for people coming from the seven countries you mentioned at the top of the show. seven krupps that have had ties to terrorism countries like iran, iraq, syria, somalia,
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yemen, the sudan and so on. and then what is something that i think a lot of people are just getting their minds around at this point and that is the suspension of the u.s. refugee program, the entire u.s. refugee program for 120 days and as a part of that suspension, the trump administration is now ending the flow of syrian refugees into the united states. that program is over. and also part of this the trump administration is implementing what they're calling extreme vetting measures. they want to have basically uniform vetting measures for people coming in from basically all over the world. so they want to make sure that folks coming in are subjected to biometric screening especially coming from that part of the world that they're concerned about. don, you know, one thing we want to point out to viewers is that at this point, all of the countries that are affected by this 90-day suspension of visas, those seven countries are all
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muslim majority countries. and when it cops to the refugee program, they're saying going forward that when they look at admitting refugees into the country in the future after this 120 day refugee suspension is lifted, that there will be a prioritization given to people who are religious minorities in some of these countries. so that basically means christian refugees who are coming into this country are going to be giving priority status over muslim refugees or people of other religious backgrounds because presumably in most of these countries if you're a minority person from a religious background, you're going to tend to be a christian. so these are very sweeping changes. we haven't gotten a whole lot of guidance from the white house how this is going to be implemented. and what the next steps are. we expect that to come in the coming days. >> i wonder what the reaction is. this is a religious test. is that how people are viewing it? >> that is how people are viewing it. if you look at chuck schumer, he
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put out a statement saying there are tears flowing down the cheeks of the statue of liberty. cam ma la harris put out a strong statement. she's a candidate for 2020 saying make no mistake, this is a muslim ban. so you know this executive order, don, was signed in the afternoon over at the pentagon. but we did not get our hands on the actual physical document. i have it right here, until after the evening newscasts were over, well into the evening. there was no background conference call given to reporters. there were no officials explaining this is what this means. we were just given this executive order. a lot of this is subject to interpretation at this point. and i think it's going to be hotly detaineed on the subbed talk shows well into next week into jim, the president had his first face-to-face meeting with anesthesia may today. what came out of that meeting? >> i think what came out of the meeting was you know, let's just make sure we get the stuff out of the way that i think is important. and that is that the u.s. and the united kingdom are slowing
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once again they have the special relationship. president trump went out of his way to greet prime minister may at the west wing portie codoor. that is something rarely done at the white house and he chose her for his first joint news conference saying a lot about the u.s./british relationship. having said all of that, there were differences on display. thaes may made it very clear she wants to continue the sanctions on russia and its invasion of crimea. that is something that president trump is open to lifting and we may hear about that more in the coming days. he has a phone call tomorrow with russian president vladimir putin. may also made a point of saying president trump, you told me that you were 100% behind the nato alliance. that was an interesting corner that she tried to put him in diplomatically i thought during this news conference because as you know, donald trump has said throughout the campaign and even into the transition that he thought that the nato alliance was obsolete. so it was some interesting diplomatic ju-jitsu on display
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being dem upon straighted by the british prime minister. but i think more than anything, lots of similarities, lots of ingredient on many, many issues but those are some big differences we saw on display there. >> jim, thank you very much. i want to bring in michael smerconish, michael reagan, author of "lessons my father taught me, the strength integrity and faith of ronald reagan." he's a news max contributor and the son of the former president. thank you for joining us this evening. mr. smerconish, what do you think about the president announcing this new extreme vetting measures limiting the philosophy refugees into this country? is this a religious test? >> yes, it is. i'm surprised that there weren't a pugh more nations that were put on that list so as to give cover to what i think is an inevitable legal challenge that will come on that basis and say this is a pre-prohibition based strictly on religion and not necessarily on geography. that was my first thought. my second was for better or
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worse because that's a divide in the country, he's doing that which he said he was going to do. you know this was part of the campaign. it was a very controversial part of the campaign. it seemed, don, like he backed off his muslim ban pledge. but in fact, here it is one week into this new presidency. there have been any number of things that have transpired so many of us, i'll take the heat for us, waited the pivot that never came. he was consistent from the moment that he descended that escalator at trump tower till this moment in time in terms of saying and doing what he planned. >> michael, a muslim ban without saying muslim ban but i want to read part of the statement from your father and his u.s. immigration refugee policy from 1981. he said he starts off by saying our nation is a nation of immigrants. immigrants, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and so on. we recognize that immigration and refugee problems require international solutions. we'll seek greater international
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cooperation in the resettlement of refugees in the caribbean basis accelerated economic development. immigration and refugee policy is an important part of our past and fundamental to our national interests with the help of congress and the american people, we will work trds a new and realistic immigration policy, a policy that will be fair to our own citizens while it opens a door of opportunity for those who seek a new life in america. so that sounds a lot different than the policy we heard coming out today. >> boy, absolutely agree with that statement my father made. but then we had 9/11. then we had paris, france, then we had san bernardino. and all the other problems that is we have had with the extremists radical extremists blowing up buildings and killing people and i would make -- i would believe that my father would make a completely different statement based on that scenario than the scenario he was making the statement on
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back in 1981. >> uh-huh. >> it is a different, it is a different time. he's absolutely right. the question is, is, this isn't a permanent thing. this is a hold for now so that we can see if people can be vetted better to come into this country. >> i don't know. i find interesting what michael said about his father for whom i have the utmost respect would have gone along with this. i guess i shouldn't debate michael reagan on what his dad would have done. >> but you're going to. >> i don't want to concede that ground. i can't imagine the gipper would have taken this position, michael. >> we're in a different time. a different place. the world is under attack gi radical extremists jihadists. we weren't under attack by jihadists back if the day. let's look at the day. do you think my father would open the doors to the soviet union to people there wanting to come to the united states of america unvetted? no. he wouldn't have done that.
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and i think you have to look at in the time frame that we in fact are in today. i think the present as you said. >> you're not saying people are coming here unvetted are you -- michael? >> no, but even the fbi said they have no way to vet the people coming in the way they need to be vetted who are coming to the united states of america. look what's going on in germany and france with the refugees going into those countries. they're having problems. we ethos problems and what the president is trying to do is make sure we don't have any more problems than we've already had. >> i'll ask you what i asked michael sker con nish. do you think this is a religious test? and that goes against our constitution. >> well, but remember, in the document, he doesn't say religious test. we can call it a religious test all we want. but the fact of the matter, where in fact are the terrorists coming from. and you're right, michael. coare put more countries on there. and maybe should have put more countries on there, but the reality is, these are where the
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radical jihadists are in fact coming from. this is where they're living and this is where they're planning to kill innocent people. >> i've been sitting here with my wheels spinning because i know if what i'm about to say leaves my lips there's going to be a hue and cry. to hell with it. first of all, i'm one who fully embraces the lingo of radical islamic terror. this is not coming from the left. we were total victims on september 11 undeniable. but thereafter, we invaded the wrong country and we walked into and lit a hornet's nest on fire and part of me is sitting here saying, we bear some responsibility for the dominos that fell thereafter. and some of the folks who are now going to be precluded from coming into the united states frankly causally could look at the united states and our wrong headed invasion of iraq and that was the beginning point. so i feel like we put them in a
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lurch with nowhere to go into michael, many of us on the right and left argued that point about originally going into iraq. was that the right choice, was it the wrong choice. we've argued that. that's been on the docket for what, 20 years now it seems we've been arguing that point. look at the last eight years when red lines are drawn and we in fact, allowed the russians to cross that red line and nothing happens to them at all. look at the things that barack obama put in place, look at the fact when he brought our people out of the middle east and allowed isis and the rest of them to flourish in that area of the world. >> i got to say this. as a father of three teenage sons i'm thrilled he got us out of there. otherwise they would be there today fighting somebody else's war. >> president george w. bush he's the one that negotiated that we had to get out of the part of the world. >> peter bergen, our colleague, peter has written a tremendous book and has documented how this
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is a serious issue but that the threat that we most face today are individuals who are here many of them americans who have become radicalize pds. they're the ones i'm most worried about. >> that was going to be my question to him. a lot of it is homegrown terrorism. most of it is not people coming in from other countries. >> social media. we have to go after people overstaying their visas and figure out how to get them out of the united states. there's a lot of work to be done. what would we be saying if hillary clinton would have won? would we be happy if we said open borders, live here and be happy the rest of your lives. no, i wouldn't have been. maybe you would have been. >> we wouldn't be sitting here on television debating it. >> you have a president trying to protect america. now, you know i didn't support him for a very, very long time. but we elected him. and he is doing exactly what he said he would do. so give him time to see how it works out. if america's safer, then we're
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going to applaud hip. >> we would be debating if there were an open door policy, whether or not that was right for the country. >> we don't have an open door policy. >> if that were the case. listen, the producer telling me i have to go. i was struck by the trump supporters you had on this evening and the disconnect from both sides. i think you're right on if you listen to democrats, you know, most of them have sort of, what is it called trump dementia. i forget what it's called. on the opposite side, as well. >> i don't get the people who are so hostile toward me saying why would you have given them that platform. we had an election in this country and 46% represented by the guest iz had tonight they won the election. i want to hear what they have to say and this issue of silos and bubbles is a two-way street. >> even beyond the silos and bubbles, what bothers me the most, it doesn't matter if someone is conservative or liberal or who you support. what matters is if you are
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informed. and you know, i won't say that those folks weren't but there are a lot of people who are just not informed and they're basing their judgment on things that are not true. >> but don. >> and on misinformation. i'll let michael smerconish. >> don, let me tell you right now. >> michael smerconish, then you. >> the facts have never been fungible in the past the way they are today. i share your sense of frustration. >> go ahead, michael reagan. >> there are people watching the show right now saying the same thing about the left as you just said about the right. we have got to find a way. >> i didn't say it about the right. i didn't just say it about the right. >> that's how it's being interpreted. >> but that's wrong. that's wrongs just like if there are alternative facts. that's wrong, as well. >> tip o'neill and ronald reagan get together and get things done. i'd love to see president trump and the leader of the senate get together and get things accomplished for the betterment of all of us. >> i'm already in trouble.
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i'm over. we've got to go. fascinating conversation. i enjoyed it. have a great weekend. make sure cnn's smerconish 9:00 a.m. eastern and again at 6:00 p.m. you better go to sleep so you can be fresh tomorrow. when we come back, restricting refugees, is it the really the way to keep us safe here in america and will the world see us differently if america rolls up the welcome mat? if you're searching other travel sites to find a better price... ...stop clicking around... the lowest prices on our hotels are always at so pay less and get more only at
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and says it will be down half from the current level of 110,000 by the end of the fiscal year. what do you make of this? >> it's a very, very sad day because america is no safer than it was 24 hours ago. but 60,000 people who have been through the vetting process around the world victims of terror around the world aren't going to be able to come here. what's more, america's reputation as a humanitarian leader has been lost. and a propaganda gift for those extremist who's want to say america doesn't want muslims to come here. this is a dangerous day really. a hasty and harmful set of decisions because remember, it's harder to get to america as a refugee than through any other route at the moment. these are victims of terror who are seeking haven. >> you said it don't make us safer. explain because there are many people watching saying the people who can possibly harm our country are looking to shah had iia law and for terror and to bom bomb us and hurt us. they won't be getting in.
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>> the one good thing is i can get on a program and explain what the current system is. it takes up to 36 months for a refugee to be vetted outside this country by american authorities. 12 to 15 government departments of the u.s. including the cia vet individual cases, biometric testing referred to in your previous segment means there's america chooses the lefgs who are going to come here and become productive residents and patriotic citizens. record of this country is of successful refugee resettlementment. my organization, would in war zones around the world delivering humanitarian aid and we resettle refugees here. i met refugees today from iran, from syria, they've arrived in the last couple weeks. they're here and grateful for the chance to make a new start for themselves. >> i'm sure you've heard what they had to say. care is the council on islamic relations. it's going to mount a federal challenge to the executive order. do you think they're have success or is this symbolic.
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>> i'm not here to give you legal advice. obviously, this is a nation of laws not just a nation of people. the constitution has to be upheld. the point i want to make is that we've got a situation where around the world, there's a global refugee crisis. there are tens of thousands of people literally who have been given the docket they can come here and being left in limbo by this. america's allies in the gulf and elsewhere are left having to explain to their own population how to explain that america shut the door on refugees. that is a very sad state of affairs. >> you nomah nomah lala yousef. >> she was shot by the taliban. >> she's also a nobel peace prize winner. i'm heart broken today that president trump is shutting the door on mothers and children and that america is turning its back on a proud history of welcoming regulars and immigrants ready to work hard in exchange for a fair chance at a new life.
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i won't read the entire thing. this is what chuck schumer said. tears are running down the cheeks of the statue of liberty. he goes on to say this is one of the most backward and nasty executive orders that the president has issued. what do you make of that? put up the cover of the new york daily news, as well. >> i now live and work in the u.s. i'm from the uk. one of the great things about america is that it says that it wants people from around the world to come here and make something of their lives. and when you hear friends of america like malala yousafazi who has always looked to america as a source of freedom saying this is a backward step, it's a chance for the administration to show it can listen. there was an item today saying that former vice president cheney has said anything like a muslim ban would be against the traditions of america right over to schumer on democratic side. there is a real issue now around the world about how to take on islamic extremism. it seems to me very, very important that we are as strategic in the way we form our
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policy as they are in the terror they try to spread and defeat of those forces depends on our alliance of countries like this with muslim majority nations and people around the world. >> just to be clear, i'll ask you the same question i asked my last two guests. is this a religious test? >> there's no question that the executive order says in terms that religion will be privileged above other reasons. ironically if you're a political dissident in cuba or russia and china, you don't get the same sort of treatment under this executive order as if you are claiming religious discrimination. >> do you think there's a myopic element to this some in america may be separating this but globally how does this play? does this change america's role and position on global stage? >> it undoubtedly changes america's reputation around the world. and i think it makes america's role around the world more difficult. precisely because of the alliances that you need with countries that are hosting millions of refugees. there are america's allies countries like jordan have a
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million refugees and see america quibbling about whether or not it can take 50,000 and they wonder what kind of alliance they've got. >> this is holocaust remembrance day, a day we remember the people who suffered religious persecution. what do you think of the american president? >> this is where the professional and the personal come together. my family are a family of refugees. my dad was a refugee to the united kingdom in 1940 when the germans invaded belgium. my mom survived the war in poland and came to britain in 1946. many of the members of my family didn't make it through that war. it wasn't just anyone. it was jews who were slaughtered across europe. and it's striking to me we at the international rescue committee today, yes there's a backlash and people are saying we're afraid. other people are saying we want to stand up because the people today who are fleeing terror in syria and elsewhere are actually we can see ourselves from 70 years ago. that's an important message into
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what do you think when people say we're living in different times now. people are actively trying to kill us. >> it's a different time but tragically in 1941, 1942, 1943, jews weren't allowed to come to america. only in 1944 they were welcomed into america or any kind of significant numbers. we should learn the lessons of history. of course, we should move forward but let's learn the lessons. >> really appreciate it. up next, president trump's revealing new interview. he hints about his supreme court nominee and talks about giving priority to christian refugees and has surprising things to say about faith. z282sz zwtz
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the president sitting down with the christian broadcasting network today for a wide ranging interview on everything from his refugee policy to the supreme court to his faith. i want to bring in david brody, chief political correspondent for the christian broadcasting threat work. he did the interview. thank you so much for joining us. you spoke with the president today. the end of his first week as a leader of the free world. lou did he seem to be settling in on his new job? >> he looked pretty comfortable
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to me. i've interviewed him ten times. the first time as a sitting president but nine other times during the campaign came into the blue room where we were interviewing and really seemed very at easy and comfortable. it's interesting. one of the things with donald trump all along or now president trump has been that he seems to be comfortable in his own skin. and that doesn't seem at all to have changed as president. >> uh-huh. so he signed executive actions today, david, to limit the flow of refugees in this country. it's getting a lot of play. in your interview with the president, he tells you christian refugees will be a priority. i want to play that ge and then we'll talk about it. >> persecuted christians overseas, the refugee program that or the refugee changes you're looking to make as it relateses to persecuted christians do you see them as a priority here. >> yes, they've been horribly treated. do you know if you were a christian in syria, it was impossible, very, very at least very, very tough to get into the
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united states. if you were a muslim, could you come in. but if you were a christian, it was almost impossible. and the reason that was so unfair is that the everybody was persecuted in all fairness but they were chopping off the heads of everybody. but more so the christians. and i thought it was very, very unfair. so we are going to help them. >> what did you make of his answer? >> well, what i was struck by, don, is that he interrupted right as i was asking the question and he interrupted with yes as in they will be a priority. he was very forceful on that. we talked about this before him and i, in previous interviews but as president, obviously, words definitely matter. and the fact that he is going to prioritize persecuted christians i thought was a pretty strong language especially the fact that he interrupted that question and said yes, he got right to -- i don't know if he would hem and haw on the priority because you open up some potential criticism out
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there. he's been pretty consistent on this all along. >> did he seem to understand because many people might see this as a religious test of sorts. about people who can be admitted to the country. i'm wondering how viewers will feel about that. did he also understand when you look at the number of refugees according to pew that enterthe country, it wasn't that far off. 38,000 versus 37,000 christian to muslim. did he -- the number's up right there. did he understand that? and how do you think your viewers are going to react to that in. >> well, i think what he said in that interview today is going to be very sim pat cowith how our viewers feel. look, the reality is donald trump kind of looks at things more in the broad picture or the broader scope. for example, radical islamic terrorism. so he believes and very correctly, that there are islamic groups killing folks in the middle east. this just in, don. we know this. but donald trump sees that as a
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generality of what's going on and therefore, christians are indeed persecuted overseas. so therefore he's lumping those two together and saying look, something needs to be done. reality is that christians overseas are the last time i checked not going around and chopping the heads off of radical muslim terrorists. and so he's kind of looking at it from that perspective. >> especially if you look at the population and what the -- it's less than 5% christian from syria and most, 90 some%, i think it's 93% muslim, 5% christian of the religious composition there. and that's an estimate up from 2010. david, the president, he's planning to announce his pick for supreme court next week. you asked him about that. let's play it. >> well, i think also it's who's going to get approved. we have to go through a process after i pick the person that i'm going to be picking who i think i know but i'm not 100%. i can't guarantee it. i put out 20 before the
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election, i said these are the people i'll pick. and i think that the person that i pick will be a big, big i think people are going to love it. i think evangelicals, christians will love my pick. and will be represented very, very fairly. >> so when he says that evangelicals will love his pick, i'm sure he's aware whoever he chooses has to get the approval of congress first. right? so what does that tell you? >> a couple things. evangelicals as you know voted for donald trump number one reason was because of that supreme court pick. no question about it. so i don't -- i think it's pretty much a no-brainer this better be a pretty good pick that evangelicals gather around. wa award heard gorsuch and hardiman and bill pryor one of those three most likely. bill pry yoer having potential issues among evangelicals as it
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relates to transgender rights. maybe bill pryor isn't necessarily going to get the nod because there has been squabble in evangel circles about bill pryor. >> you asked the president about his spiritual journey, about god. >> i would say that the office is so powerful that you need god even more because your decisions are no longer gee, i'm going to build a building in new york or i'm going to do this. these are questions of massive life and death. even with regard to health care. you know, we're working very hard on health care. but they're you're talking about life and death and you're talking about better lives. people living better because they have better health karat a lower price which we're working very hard on. so yeah, you realize these decisions are also important. >> what do you make of his
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answer? >> well you know, donald trump and i go back about seven or eight years or so. he's a very private man when it comes to his faith. doesn't wear it op his sleeve. that's not shocking. i think some of those some of what he said today is pretty revealing in the sense that he's on a journey. i don't think there's any question about that. if you dig deeper and if the christian broadcasting network were digging deeper and we know that he has been how do we say the gospel has been presented to him on numerous occasions really kind of talking about the love of jesus and all of that. >> were you surprised though to hear him put it in the context of health care when you talked about life and death issues and about the rates he has to consider? >> not at all because there is a compassionate streak to donald trump. he doesn't typically wear that on his sleeve either. but if you remember one you have those debates don, he talked about how he doesn't want to see anybody go hopeless in the united states. there is that compassion streak which gets him into trouble
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sometimes with conservatives because then he wants to spend more than conservatives wants to spend. the point is that there is a pattern of compassion in the personal donald trump, the inside donald trump. the one that many people, remember ben carson said there are two donald trumps. i think that's parts of his fabric. >> yeah, and i've interviewed him a number of times. you have, as well. the person that you meet in person is not necessarily the person you see up on the podium or behind the microphones when you see him on television. they're often, you know, they're often contradictory. david, your entire interview airs this weekend. anything else from the interview you'd like to share now? >> well, there are quite a few things that are still out there. you'll find them sunday night 11:00 on another cable channel. but i will say this. >> christian broadcasting network. >> it's actually on free-form at the former abc family channel. one of the things did he talk about is tax reform. and i will tell you now that i
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asked him within those first 100 days, do you expect to have some sort of tax reform bill on your desk. he said not necessarily to sign but he wants a structure in place in that first 100 days. we talked a little bit about that. there were a few other things, as well. >> david brody, always appreciate it. thank you, sir. >> thanks don. >> come up, less than a week after the women's march around the country, thousands of anti-abortion activists descend on d.c. for the march for life. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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thousands of antiabortion activists descend on d.c. for the march for life. let's discuss. kayleigh mcenany, hilary rosen, thanks for all of you coming on. less than a week after the massive demonstrations. i will start with you. today we saw a large crowd of demonstrators in washington standing up for what they believe in, don't believe in abortion. can you fairly compare the marchs? >> i don't know what the numbers
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were for the turnout, differing years, one year 650,000, i don't know this year, but i think they're not necessarily opposites right? because the women's march was about a lot of issues. if you look at issues they laid out, about disability rights, gay rights, civil rights, women's rights, lot of different issues. this is much more narrow. this was narrow and focussed on the pro-life cause, specifically abortion. and maybe say other pro life issues issues like assisted suicide but mostly about abortion. >> this was specifically antiabortion. last week was lgbt and women's rights and health care and on and on. would you say last week's march mostly in opposition to president trump?
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>> i think it's fair to say last week's march inspired by the election of donald trump. i mean, they had been planning it for a while. something the left is very good at, seen organized protests, well funded. but we need to be cautious about dismiss the women's marches last weekend. a friend of mine wrote a piece in the "new york times" talking about it's reminiscent of the tea party movement and may learn those lessons. >> van jones says that as well. >> comparison is relevant. we don't want to sit and gloat in glory. i'm conservative and we're in control and those are crazies marching. there's element of that but also legitimate concerns that women across the country have about a donald trump presidency given his behavior and past statements. we have to pay attention.
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midterm elections are around the corner. and that could come back to bite republicans. >> and many said that about tea party. look at who is in control of the house and senate, lot of it sparked by tea party. republicans in control in large part because of it. people dismissed them, said some people said they were racist or violent, trying to cast them as that, or nut jobs. >> some element of that but not overall. >> what do you think? >> i do think we are learning on our side from some of the intensity and resistance of the tea party. big difference is tea party protested within their own party as much as they did in the opposition. but there's no question that last week's march was a mobilization of the resistance against donald trump. i mean against the perception and fear of what he will do. and what we already have now
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started to see him do when it comes to family planning globally, immigration, and think our challenge is going to be on the left, our challenge is going to be to make this resistance mean something on ongoing basis. to make folks feel nervous about it. like frankly we saw the house republicans worry a little bit this week in their retreat about planned parenthood strategy. >> if i were in the administration -- i'm not political person or savevy politically but would be concern and they have to mobilize. i want to ask you about these numbers right, because as we know the majority of all women vote ed for hillary clinton but majority of white women voted for donald trump. recent poll all women 33% favorable, 57% unfavorable and among white women, 41% and 48% with white women. and will he be a uniter or divider?
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34%, 60% divide, 42% and 51% divider for white women. >> i think if he does what skt ivanka trump has urged him to do, paid leave. that would be a really great step and surprise a lot of women and say this is someone who cares about right to be a working woman. i think the march on behalf of all women so they claimed, really on behalf of liberal women. characterized by misplaced anger. madonna wanted to blow up white house and ashley judd compared him to hitler and watched this march and women saying i wouldn't have been here now if my mom had selected abortion. standing up for babies with down
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blue apron. back now with my panel of all men talking about the women's march. >> we're from jersey, sometimes
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got to sit like men. jersey girls right here. >> they said it, i didn't. >> you wanted to respond to what kayleigh was saying. she was talking about some of the women you think hinged. >> you had madonna wanting to blow up the white house versus mike pence wanting to create a culture of life. tones couldn't be more different. >> it's most positive day, you're taking two lines. >> ashley judd, michael moore. >> entire day filled with love, no violence, not a single arrest, huge amount of good energy. won't have the characterization. >> even van jones said disappointed. >> i can't accept the characterization of close to a million women coming to washington being in communities around the country and you characterizing it as negative. it was not negative. was it tough on people who have been against them, was it tough
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on a president who has threatened their livelihoods? absolutely. but it was not about random violence, it was about taking care of themselves. >> lot of negativity and conservative women not welcome . i walked through it. i was derided. and pro-life groups not allowed to participate its can -- >> they were invited to participate number one. >> renounced. >> here's the thing, people are afraid of being deported. people are afraid of having health care taken away, people are afraid of their rights being stripped by courts. don't act like that should be sunshine to donald trump and people against it. >> listen to president's words. if they listen to liberal commentators, they think their rights are being taken away. >> president next week is going to appoint a supreme court justice if they get a majority votes will do all those things. >> that is the problem. >> i thought you wanted to say something.


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