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on a president who has threatened their livelihoods? absolutely. but it was not about random violence, it was about taking care of themselves. >> lot of negativity and conservative women not welcome . i walked through it. i was derided. and pro-life groups not allowed to participate its can -- >> they were invited to participate number one. >> renounced. >> here's the thing, people are afraid of being deported. people are afraid of having health care taken away, people are afraid of their rights being stripped by courts. don't act like that should be sunshine to donald trump and people against it. >> listen to president's words. if they listen to liberal commentators, they think their rights are being taken away. >> president next week is going to appoint a supreme court justice if they get a majority votes will do all those things. >> that is the problem. >> i thought you wanted to say something. >> problem right here.
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problem is you have trump supporters say just listen to the president's words, what he said. women did listen to what donald trump said, he bragged about grabbing women by the genitals, called fat women pigs, breast feeding is disgusting. all these things but just entertainment, and now apparently found jesus and doesn't say this anymore but can only go off what you said and i understand. donald trump has said so many things he's not taking -- >> i'm willing to forget that stuff. it's policy that matters more. >> there was a major demonstration today.
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a lot of those women actually aren't conservative. i have friends that are pro life. "usa today" had women that were both at this march and the women's march but did not feel they were that welcome because the marchers did disinvite a pro-life group. if you look at what the democratic party needs to do, i think it would be better if they would be more open to welcoming in women to the women's march who agree with them on everything else, except disagree on abortion. and that shouldn't be the issue that separates women. >> is that issue just so core to women? this is devils advocate. i don't know. i'm not a woman. why can't believe stand up with what they believe on and say you are the polar opposite of my morals and values?
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on this particular issue. >> not necessarily. because there is a lot of different kinds of pro-life people. for example, you could be a pro-life person who doesn't want to overturn roe v. wade. you could just want to change the conversation. >> even the way we characterize it. >> i don't think anybody is pro -- >> people don't want their health care taken away in a planned health care clinic just because other monies go to provide abortion. >> i've got to go. but you could also not feel abortion is right for yourself but not want to make that decision for other women. >> that's right. >> do you agree with that? said by the guy. i just want to make sure you agr agree. top of the hour, new show. bounty is more absorbent, so the roll can last 50% longer than the leading ordinary brand. so you get more "life" per roll. bounty, the quicker picker upper
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president donald trump wraps up a tumultuous first week in office. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. welcome to viewers in the united states and around the world. president signing executive actions at fast and furious rate including one tonight limiting flow of refugees and instituting what the president calls extreme vetting. also first face-to-face meeting with world leader today, british prime minister theresa may. then the phone calls with mexican president after meeting
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scrapped over the border wall. and another call with vladimir putin, the russian president and president's false claims of voter fraud and calling the media the opposition party. buckle in. it's going to be a very bumpy four years. let's get right to it. senior correspondent for aj +, former chief political adviser for reagan, senior correspondent and national reporter. good to have you all on. tonight president trump signed is executive order to ban refugees from certain countries. here's how he described it. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here.
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>> bans people from seven terror-prone countries from entering the united states for 90 days. major change. what are you hearing about this tonight? >> those countries are established that people are not allowed to travel from the united states from. some exceptions but stands and there are other points to this order, too. including the indefinite suspension of all syrian refugees coming into the united states until it's overhauled. it's kind of interesting to think back to when president obama's administration was criticized from the left for not taking in enough syrian refugees in their opinion. well, now that's going to be indefinitely suspended. but the refugee program in general is also suspended. no more refugees coming in starting now for 120 days. and this is temporary because the administration wants to look more closely at system, the
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vetting going on, information coming from certain countries and assess whether it's adequate. and caps total number of refugees coming from for fiscal year 2017 to 50,000, obama administration raised to 110,000. trump administration is cutting in half. what's also interesting is what was not in the order, draft order circling around, ordering the secretary of state and department of defense to consider setting up safe zones in syria that the obama minutes considered to be costly and risky, not in the final order. >> this order appears to be directed at muslims. muslim countries on the list. he spoke with the christian broadcasting network and says he wants to help christian refugees. listen to this, and we'll talk. >> as it relates to persecuted
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christians do you see them as a priority here? >> yes. >> you do? >> been horribly treated. if you were a christian in syria it was impossible, at least very tough to get into the united states. if you were muslim, you could come in. if you were a christian it was almost impossible. and i thought it was very, very unfair so we're going to help them. >> religious test. true muslim ban here do you think? >> i don't think, you said it appears to target muslims, it explicitly does. what is concerning about hearing him there and earlier this week where he said refugees are detrimental to america, what about a muslim-syrian refugee like steve jobs' father? was he detrimental? he's pitting religions against
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each other, christianity versus islam, us versus them. this is extension of everything he stood for, like this executive order and others in the last few days, like president trump, it's divisive, exploiting ignorance and fear and not only undermines what america stands for but tonight there are people sleeping -- thousands of people legally in this country on visas who don't know if wife or partner or family member or children back home in iran visiting families will be allowed back into america. >> what do you think? religious test? >> i hope not. it's important not to. critical thing is safe guard the borders and take time to figure out a system of how to bring people in with proper surveillance in the sense of who and what they are. obviously terrorism is alive and well and people frightened of that in the course of the campaign. i hope we examine how we do this and who these people are and making sure the people coming
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here are getting the sanctuary they need. and also they secure our borders. >> i want to chime in. it is important to recognize that this disproportionately affects iranians because more of them have visas. who are these people? iranian actress nominated for oscar says this is racist, using that term to be exclusionary towards muslims. we have, you know, the director of the film "the salesman" has won an oscar and academy award and now not allowed into america. and, don, it's just also -- and one last thing. a leaked version said for 30 days this would be implemented. now it's 90 days. not for syrian refugees, he's equated them with radical extremists and other people but that 90 days is important because it stipulates that governments after that 90 days
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will have to pass information to the u.s. government before the ban is lifted on individuals. for iran there are no diplomatic ties so it's indefinite ban on iranians. >> i want to get my other panelists here. >> the "new york daily news" says closing the golden door and that's interesting. and you know the afghan girl shot by the taliban said she's heartbroken that president trump is closing the door on children, mothers and fathers fleeing violence and war. and then she says that people that helped build our country, ready to work hard in exchange for a fair chance at life, this is going the other way. what do you make of that? >> this is such a reflection of so many things donald trump talked about in the campaign. obviously, this began as something he was talking about as muslim ban. then it became about certain
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countries. didn't get any information from the white house tonight about exactly why these seven countries were chosen as opposed to others. there's a lot of questions that are still completely unanswered. i think this will cause a lot of grieving around the country among people who don't think this is what america stands for. at the same time, a lot of the people who supported donald trump really wanted to see a turn inward like this and feel as though they are under threat all the time and that no one knows how to protect them or keep them safe. i just think at this point there are so many different aspects of this executive order that we still don't fully understand yet. it's going to take days for legal scholars to go through this and talk about whether it really is religious test, how it could be challenged this court.
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all right. finishing up a full week of first week in office, our new president. back with the panel. how did the president do meeting first world leader face-to-face?
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>> britain been a great ally and oftentimes first we meet with. the guy has only in a week, looked good. communication seemed good, they both touched on nice issues that seemed important and comfortable relationship that's important long-term. >> michelle kosinski is the -- diplomatic correspondent here. look how playing overseas. donald trump and theresa may are the happy couple. two peas in a pod, not in a bad way. >> theresa may clearly wanted to play that up to the clearest extent. talking about how they're aligned ideologically over the last few days and being a cheerleader going forward with the relationship but as almost an aside talking about nato, said he was 100% behind nato, right president trump?
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that was kind ofd -- of her attitude, reinforcing that to get agreement from donald trump but there was a lot of positivity here, theresa may is under pressure at home to not sugar coat the big differences there on russia sanctions and torture, wanted to be strong on her believes in which she differs from president trump but think it came off as they wanted it to be, very positive. >> i thought it was interesting watching its press conference and british press, reporter stood up, said how -- why should she trust you? you both have high strung or volatile personalities. paraphrasing. i was thinking to myself, if he thought the american press was tough, dealing with the british press is no vacation or holiday. >> no.
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certainly entertaining moment for donald trump who just this week has affirmed what his top adviser steve bannon said that the opposition party is the media and so -- but in this moment handling that with laughter. it's obviously a much more serious issue here at home as donald trump has been putting out a series of pronouncements that aren't true, then being challenged by the media and isn't taking well to that. it was a rocky first week from that perspective but a lighter moment there. >> british humor or severity aside in terms of the questioning from the journalist, another bbc reporter asked trump what his relationship was with putin and relationship, i thought it was noteworthy that he responded saying he doesn't know the gentleman.
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seems like another example of these alternative facts that he is relying on. i bring this up in 2013 in interview he said not only does he have a good relationship with him but voluntarily suggested that putin was listening to his every word or probably very interested to hear what he was saying right then. bring that up because it only goes to show this is what is so concerning about the executive orders. he is not reliable, inconsistent with the facts. when he comes out with pronouncements, only reason it's a ban, as vague as it is and not a muslim registry is because weeks ago president obama dismantled the muslim registry which also originated with these 14 countries and saw 14,000 people with visas in the country, register, go through deportation hearings, more register.
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this is a president, we need to focus on, has no problem knowingly lying to the american people so long as it serves his interest. he said that islamic radical extremists as recently as this week -- >> i got to get somebody else in. >> said radical extremists coming in by the thousands under the obama administration. said that at rally in ohio and now he's president he ees continuing with the lies. when he tells supporters likes like that. equating extremists with refugees and illegals creates a perception in their minds that all things that have to do with islam are to be feared and justifies the policies. >> i don't agree. i think at the end of the day, i have been around politics, every administration, democrat or republican sees the media as the enemy, it's battle for the national agenda but bottom line is president is taking period of time to look at things carefully and executive order is quick way
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for him to do it without going to congress. without a permanent ban. we need to study immigration, we need to, basically, review how to bring good people into the country, measured by people who want to live the american dream -- >> he wants to measure by religion -- >> i want to continue the discussion about russia. we've discussed that. i want to talk about russia. cnn is learning that he's going to have phone call with putin and administration officials telling cnn that white house has asked for information about syria, eastern europe and sanctions in advance of the call. does that say anything to you? >> those are topics very important. syrian issue is critical and russia played most important role there of anybody. to have an honest discussion you need the facts with mr. trump it's learning curve. been there a week. foreign policy team in place and will learn more and more. >> michelle -- >> not only that. >> go on.
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>> it was a departure from the aftermath of the campaign taking calls from foreign leaders without having any normal briefings and following diplomatic protocol and was worrisome to a lot of people. it will be reassuring that he is getting that information now from his staff to the extent that he has a staff in place and still many open posts. >> michelle, ed talked about that. i wonder if signaling there's going to be a difference. there's growing speculation might ease or lift the sanctions on russia imposed by obama administration for interfering with the election. >> it clearly looks like it's heading in that direction based on a number of things president trump has said. today he did tempered it as we said in the
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press conference with the british prime minister. maybe i won't get along with vladimir putin, i hope it's fantastic relationship but we'll have to see. on sanctions, there's rumblings out there, but again, we'll have to see. >> lot of republicans in congress not in favor at this time. >> i just want to make sure that it's important as journalists and in general we not normalize and fear we're doing that a little bit. suggesting that all presidents have clashes with the media, this is unprecedented moment in american history and important to view it as such. never been the type of protests we saw on inauguration day. >> i hear that. despite that. whether you think it's normal, he's the president of the united states. and realization is he's done exactly what he said he would do. people who oppose him, you can
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continue. but at some point -- >> i'm not saying i'm opposing him. i hear what you're saying -- >> i hear normalizing but he's president. >> but at protests, i was out for both days, protests at inauguration and celebration and women's march. one thing that was palpable, not just repudiation of donald trump, president trump or his policies but recognition by the american people who have been disillusioned by both parties. as you know and we discussed on this network. >> not happy with democrats either. >> and they now realize that media and democrats and our institutions are not enough to protect us, protect our constitution. remember that the constitution refers to we the people. it does refer. >> it's important to separate the women's march, peaceful march, versus the terrorism of the inauguration. where people were setting cars on fire, threatening people,
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attacking cops. that was not protest. >> of course but the point is, few days later when this executive order was made, council of american islamic relations made a call for thousands of new yorkers to show up and protest. reason they did is this is a sustained movement he's planted seed of a modern civil rights movement. >> we're polarized society and expect the debate to go on. >> that's what we need to see after the women's march and reaction this week to his immigration executive order is whether or not that resistance that has so much energy this week, whether that actually can come together and influence trump in terms of policy and so far we don't know. >> this is only been seven days. >> long seven days. seven years. >> i looked at cia speech, just this week? it felt like a month ago. all right. thank you, everyone. we'll be right back.
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bring you joe madison, host on xf radio and radio host john fredericks. seven days. joe how are you feeling? >> feels like first 100 days. what can i say? can tell you this, it certainly makes i think our job easy because prepping just means wake up and see what the heck has been done or said. >> how do you think the first week went joe? >> i think it's mixed week. if you're a donald trump voter, he followed through with executive orders, with pretty much everything he said and if you were my audience, pretty much you're very upset because they still don't trust him. you know for example, what i've been hearing on my show is that they cannot understand how this
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man is so obsessed with the size of his crowd at inauguration when you've got all these major issues you just discussed in the last segment. he's now talking about or was talking about voter fraud only to find out that he had people on his own family and administration -- >> lot of people are registered in more than one state because they move. doesn't mean they vote in more than one. that's not voter fraud. >> but that's what people are saying. suppress the ego for a moment. >> john, i'm sure you disagree with the first week. >> look this was a whirlwind first week going to go down in history as transformational political revolution of proportions you've never seen. this president trump is the disrupter of the status quo. and what he is doing is exactly
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what he said he was going to do. had hundred rallies, thousand interviews, campaigned for 18 months, laid out specific and doubled down in the inauguration speech and doing exactly what he said he would. for the political establishment and status quo and donor base and elites and those in washington and wall street that make their money by funding campaigns and getting influence, they have no idea what to do. they actually have somebody who campaigned on a set of issues, comes in, he's not in, not playing golf, messing around and taking days off and doing exactly what he was elected to do. >> playing golf? only been in office a week. not supposed to take off the first week of week. >> may feel like a longer time for us covering this. but only a week. >> but john is absolutely right. we agree on that.
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it's just that you know -- but then he backs up. oh, i'm going to have a -- we're going to look into this voter fraud, then no evidence to back it up. this man reminds me -- barnum and bailey has closed its tent, but this man is still the ring master and it's circus over here, circus over there, this is what it's been. it's been a circus. and by the way, i find it very interesting that wall street and billionaires don't know what he's going to do, that's who is in his administration, billionaire club. >> let joe respond -- john i'm sorry. >> i appreciate what you're saying and get where you're coming from. i know it's difficult right now for lot of liberals and left who can't figure this out. so many things going on. can't go to normal play book of
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republicans come out with something and find interest groups and divide people and go on tv and do e-mails, can't do that. it's over. this is a new world order that trump has put in place because he's advocate. >> it's not just liberals who do that. >> it's just begun, not over. are you kidding me? did you see all the women and their families, talking about it's over, hell man, it just got started. it is not over. i can tell you this, i'll tell you when it's over for me, i'm going to say this again. i'm getting ready to do my taxes. donald trump ought to show his taxes. that's the battle cry on my show. >> for heaven's sake joe. get over it. >> 75% of americans -- >> that's first petition on the white house website. >> this is so -- >> you can't talk that one out. >> so ridiculous. >> show his taxes. >> you think working people. >> show your freaking taxes.
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>> working people that voted for donald trump in the blue states care about. >> polls show they do. >> don. they don't care. >> 74% of the people do. >> alternative facts. >> not what the polls show. alternative facts. >> he won. the great equalizer, the great leveler in politics is economic prosperity. the great unifier is jobs. let me tell you something. >> and people want to know how did you make your money? how do you make prosperity. and honest ways of doing it and crooked ways. who is financing this man, where does he get his money, is he in hock with russia, i want to know all of this. so do the american people. >> don, you can't let this go on. >> you're radio guy, you should
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be able to go up against another radio guy. come on. you guys go at it. >> you can't fill buster the conversation. donald trump is beholden to nobody, self-financed campaign. he's not beholden to the do nors, wall street or anybody else. >> so what is he hiding? >> he's not blue, not red. of no relevance. people don't care. voted for him because going to bring jobs back. if you're putting food on the table it's not republican or democrat or red or blue, a paycheck is green. >> all right john. >> this is what you fail -- >> i have to say because deal in facts. 74% of people do care about his taxes. we'll be right back.
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all right. so president trump, no secret he's no fan of the media and this past week not any better. let's get back. joe been hearing this from a lot of liberals, you have to stop normalizing him. he hates us, doesn't think we're normalizing him at all.
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we're critical of everything he does, not in negative way but look at it. i don't think that's a winning talking point for liberals. i understand it, this is not normal, people are not used to this. this is a new revolution when it comes to american politics but i don't think it's winning talking point. i think that if you're going to oppose him do it but saying stop normalizing this doesn't do anything. >> i understand what you're saying, i don't know if i agree. here's what bothers people at least on my show, when you exchange words for line, fancy word, alternative facts. when, you know, what people want is for the media to call a spade a spade. it's a lie. when you get people for example -- and you know you get folks like -- southern poverty law center sent ow a flier with david duke saying we won.
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and no one tweets on the administration side that says wait a minute david, you didn't win a thing, i hate you, i don't like that. >> they have disavowed david duke. >> they have but once again, david duke hasn't disavowed trump. that upsets people. and then finally what person from any administration goes to "new york times" and tells the media to shut its mouth. there's a reason for the fourth estate, and it is the only institution or business written into the constitution. it is what we need to keep an eye on any administration. >> checks and balances in the government and people in power. and freedom of speech is not the second or third but first amendment. >> first amendment john. >> first thing the founders did was educate the people and keep
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politicians honest. >> so john, speaking of that, i think it was a strategy, think saying hey talk about this stuff, whatever, chaos and in the meantime sliding other stuff in and media is not talking about it. i think it's a strategy. >> well, look, you can have your opinion on what the strategy is anden in there's reality, here it is. donald trump is 70 years old. ran for president because he really believes in the things he talks about. he's been saying the same thing, i know him, saying the same thing to me for 30 years, nothing has changed. rallies didn't change, campaign didn't change, debates didn't change. website didn't change. nothing has changed with this man. he believes in what he's saying. now, here's what's happening with what many in the media can't grasp and understand, he's 70 years old. he has no fear. doesn't care what the "new york times" says.
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doesn't care what "the washington post" says. frankly not what cnn or fox -- hang on. >> let me finish. >> every time we say something, media says something, he says we're biased and we're against him and we're the opposition party. he must care at core level what the media says. didn't you hear how much cable news he watches every single day? i think he really cares about the "new york times" and "washington post" and cnn. >> hey don. i know you're watching. >> you're right but there's a solid line trump has been caring and fearing. he has no fear. other presidents and politicians in the past are afraid of these media outlets. he has no fear of them. you know why? he's the head of a movement. that's why the people that fear
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him more than the media are the republicans in his own party. 50% of them have no idea why he won, 70% can't figure out what happened on november -- there's this movement they can't figure out. >> john, i can speak for myself and people who work for this organization, the media doesn't fear donald trump, we're just go doing continue to do our jobs. we have to report on him. >> and i'm saying hi to donald trump, not don lemon. >> don't fear him by any means. go on. >> it's beautiful thing that media doesn't fear him and he doesn't fear the media, finally we can get honesty in government. >> i agree with you. at least we know how he feels about you. exactly. >> donald trump works for us. john donald trump works for us. i do not work for donald trump and i don't fear people that work for me. i do not work for the trump organization.
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he now works for the united states people and this is not about fear, this is about doing what is right for the entire nation, not how he feels. >> that's your mike drop. >> 70 year old man ought to get he's doing exactly what he said he was going to do. he's an advocate for the american worker. i don't know where you're coming from. he's doing what he said he's going to do. >> it's not from a position of fear. show your taxes, don. >> don't miss a town hall event. a cnn town hall event, nancy pelosi joins our host jake tapper and a studio audience. that's our town hall live tuesday night 9:00. they're still talking i'm sure to each other. we'll be right back. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. give it. sure! it's free for everyone.
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president trump speaking out about gun violence in chicago. let discuss now, michael eric dyson the author of tears we cannot stop a sermon to white america, congratulations, michael.
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>> thank you, don. i appreciate it, my man. >> the president weighed in on the violence in chicago saying he may send in the feds. he was asked about it in an interview with fox news and abc. >> people are being shot left and right. thousands of people over a short period of time. they're going to have to get tougher and stronger and smarter but they got to fix the problem. i don't want to have thousands of people shot in a city where essentially i'm the president. chicago is worse than some of the countries you read about in the middle east where there's wars going on. >> it's a war zone. >> there's no reason for it. >> what do you think of his framing? does he deserve credit or is it completely wrong? the framing of the story? >> there is a parallel between shiraq and what donald trump is saying here in terms of a war
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zone. even people who want to see something done have to acknowledge that donald trump is on to something here when he talks about he doesn't want american citizens perishing and diagnose. and let's be honest if donald trump's pr machine was working overtime it could say we are more concerned about this than the previous president and i'm making it a target of opportunity and speaking about it in a serious fashion. he can make hay of it. the question is, don, sending in the feds only exacerbates the problem. on the other hand if he tried to address the school closures there, the economic inequality, the lack of jobs the unemployment situation is dire. the expulsion of young black and brown kids from school. if he were to address those situations or use his bully pulpit to amplify and echo the voices of those concerned about that i would give him much credit. >> the issue for many people is that he gets his facts wrong
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sometimes. like he said two people were shot and killed during president obama's farewell speech in the city. according to the city police department no shootings then. he has to be more precise in his language and facts. >> precise in the facts and if we're dealing with alternative facts or post truth and post facts none of it makes a difference. it's a stream of conscienceness. if he can link it to something he can prove we can turn around those who are skeptical. >> those who are skeptical might even agree, when you saw those millions of men and women and children the day after the inauguration, can -- can he, or what should he do if he wants to reach out to that groups or that a lost group for him? because they're not happy with
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democrats as well. >> they're critical of both sides. i was out there with 750,000 people in los angeles. i thought it was an important social protest. the problem is that donald trump makes these opened soic interventions but he undercuts himself by refusing to listen to the other side or engaging people in a fashion that shows respect for their humanity. here is a sitting president who has so many groups and constituencies against him whether from women, african-american and latin american people. wane the signing of an executive order today trying to prevent and block the inflow of muslim brothers and sisters. he seems to talk a good game of trying to be sensitive and open but he is killing himself and diminishing whatever moral authority he might possess with
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the audiences because he refuses to see the humanity beneath the politics and people are rightfully afraid of him. >> let's talk about your book. it's about racial tension in this country. we must face up to what we have made of the black people who have been the lynch pin of democracy who saved america from itself who redeemed it while denying that liberty and justice should be to us. if we don't act now and address race immediately there very well may be no future. those are powerful words. why do you feel the situation is so dire? >> i think the evidence around us suggests it. we have unarmed black and brown people subjected to police brutality and killed by police. the police are the only interaction that people of color have with the state and police people have the badge and the
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gun and the authority of the state and as a result of that they should be especially careful how they treat these citizens. then we look at the school system where the young black and brown kids are being expelled. what's the big deal in they get expelled from school and stay out for several days and off the rhythm of learning and it's a feeder into detention and that is a warehouse for jail and that's a feeder system into prison. when we look at the plight and predicament of black women who are the first to be evicted, across the board the issue of race is central to american society. unless we address the way in which black and brown people are disproportionately targeted for prison industrial complex and for a lack of motivation to get them jobs. america is in a tough position right now and black and brown people are suffering a great deal. >> i wonder what you think a trump pre


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