tv CNN Newsroom With Fredricka Whitfield CNN January 29, 2017 1:00pm-2:01pm PST
thank you for being with me. we begin with breaking news on the growing opposition to donald trump's immigration ban. we're monitoring protests and marches in major cities this hour across the country. live pictures from boston. demonstrators calling the order unconstitutional. demanding the president release the people who are still detained at airports nationwide. >> this is evil.
un-american. this is against our core, most sacred -- values. >> they're being detained, but u inside, we came with proper representation and were not allowed to see them. >> to come out in mass, to like show the sea of bodies. how the public feels about some of the poll iciepolicies. >> the president's own party saying this has gone too far. john mccain and lindsey gram releasing this statement saying quote, it is clear from the confusion at our airports that president trump's executive order was not properly vetted. we are particularly concerned by reports that this order went into effect with little to no consultation with the departments of state, defense, justice and homeland security. ultimately, we fear this order will become a self-inflicted wound in the fight against terrorism, end quote. demonstrators are gathering at atlanta's hartsfield jacques airport, where 11 travelers were
detained today. what are you seeing? if you can hear me, tell us what you're seeing. >> hey, fred, i got you now. good afternoon. clearly, the crowds have come here to the doorstep. one of the busiest in the world and this is what greets the passengers as they arrive here. you can see a large crowd that has gathered here. these are people that have been here for about an hour or so now, with signs in hand, the chants we've heard are similar to what we've heard around the country, that is they consider this latest executive action by president trump not just constitutional, but also un-american, so they are calling for the xhanlder in chief to reconsider. this is about 11 individuals
were temporarily detained yesterday. that even prompted a visit if representative john lewis, a known critic, outspoken critic of trump to come here and wait until they were released, so there is a lot of questions now fred from some of these refugee organizations in atlanta that are tasked with welcoming some of these refugees into the country. one group that i spoke to yesterday was expecting about six of them to arrive tomorrow. some from somalia, which is one of those countries that's identified, so right now, they are simply hoping for the best as they continue in route, continue in transit. eventually expected to land in the u.s. tomorrow. >> and then what do you know about the 11, some 11 pass swrers that were detained there in atlanta? >> we do understand that all of them were eventually released, but it made for some tense moments for them as many were coming from some of countries and expected to be allowed into the country, since some hold green cards. that was the big question from
some of the guidance released by the white house, was whether or not some would be allowed in. as a result, they were detained temporarily. at last check, we understand they have been released, but that has not calmed the concerns though as you can see behind me. >> right. very vocal crowd there gathering in atlanta. airport. appreciate that. so, for the second day in a row, people are gathering outside of the los angeles international airport to protest the travel ban. dan simon is there with demonstrators. what's the message there? >> well, hi, fred. this is yet another xak principle that we are living in turbulent times. the crowd here outside of lax is cheering overwhelming. we're talk iing about thousandsf people. it has exceeded all expectations. los angeles has a very large iranian, american community, so it's not surprise that you can
see a lot of these protesters at lax. we're also seeing people of all different ethnicities, people who come from all different walks of life. you can see them holding signs and chanting. also expect to make an appearance here and voice his opposition to the executive order. in turn, the member of lax, they have -- at one point, we were told attorneys were in the system -- in the thousands, but not been able to confirm that, so there is a confusion, one gentleman a short time ago, he has been detained, said he was in -- last night. he said that she told him she was crying and complaining that the police were going through her cell phone. her personal luggage. this woman says is is actually a christian. left iran for religious
persecution reasons and she's lifing in los angeles for the past year. these are some of the personal stories we're hearing from lax. i would imagine that as the hours and days unfold, we're hear a lot more of similar kinds of stories. >> dan simon, there at lax. thank you so much. we'll check back with you. meantime, go to lower manhattan, battery park there in new york, where travel ban protest is also going on there. a moving one. jessica schneider is in the midst of f it all. jessica. >> the hundreds, if not thousands of people mobilizing here on the streets of manhat n manhattan. for the past ten minutes, we've been standing here as these people move through the streets. they started off in battery park. battery park, of course on the banks of new york harbor. overlooking the statue of liberty in ellis island. the place where 13 million immigrants came through entering this country. seeing new york city for the first time. of course, that largely
symbolic. well, now, these people are making their march from battery park up to 26 federal plaza. about a mile north of here. that is where the offices of department of homeland security as well as immigration and kus t custom s enforcement is. so they are making their message, taking it out on the streets. of course, yesterday, we saw this at jfk airport. now, they are bringing their message direct to the heart of manhatt manhattan, to new york city. i've talked to a lot of p the people. the enormity of this is sobering, but the stories also quite sobering. i spoke with two men from iran. both green card holders. one says he's been here in the united states in new york city working as an artist for the past seven years. he had a reunion planned with his family this coming summer. he said just yesterday, he had to cancel those plans because despite the fact he's a green card holder, he doesn't know what the future holds for him. he's worried if he wor to leave his country and meet his family in europe, he might be stopped
and not let back in the country. one of the speakers at the rally back there, she smoke about the spoke about the fact her parents were from south sudan. she was born at a refugee camp. she is a refugee living in new york city. very grateful. for everything she's got p from this country. the messages out here today from protesters, also, politicians as well. we heard from the new york city mayor, bill deblasio, he called this a horrible message, this executive order. we heard from chuck schumer, who got very emotional about this issue, saying this is bad for humanity, so everyone's speaking out. we've seen these rallies in success throughout the one week donald trump had been president. now, we're seeing it here in new york city. day two. who knows it will continue, but their message is strong, now marching to get their message from battery park out to the federal offices at 26 federal plaza. >> all right, jessica in lower manhatt manhattan. thank you so much.
so, this morning, chuck schumer gave a very emotional reto the president's travel plan. more on what she was talking about right here. >> we're here today to deliver a vociferous no to the president and the misguided executive orders that are shocking to a majority of americans and are inflicting wounds on this country. this executive order -- was mean spirited and un-american. it was implemented in a way that created chaos and confusion across the country. and it will only serve to em bolden and aspire those around the globe who will do us harm. it must be reversed immediately, senate democrats are going to
introduce legislation to overturn this. and move it as quickly as we can and i as your senator from new york, will claw, scratch and fight with every fiber of my being until these orders are overturned. >> at the same time, during that press conference, we heard emotional pleas from immigrants, now living in the u.s. >> i am a gocitizen. i have my own business. my own house, but i don't have my children with me. it's very hard to see people being killed right and left and i can't save my own children. so and i have another daughter in lebanon stuck there with four children. she cannot get here. and i appreciate senator schumer
for his efforts and he's going to fight this nonsense because america's built on refugees and people like us building america. and we're going to build it better than what mr. trump wanted it. but i promise you that. and this future of america, i've been bringing my kids here to be good citizen. i'm teaching, educators, she teach them, we all teach them to be good and do good for america, for everybody. >> we also heard very stern message coming from new york governor andrew ko e moe. >> as new yorkers, we are especially aware of issues of diversity. we're aware of issues of intolerance because we are 18 million people from countries all across the globe. we are probably the most diverse
state on the globe. and it is the essence of who we are and we have no tolerance for any tolerance. period. and that's what we're going to stand up and say. >> all right, now to the nation's capitol, where massive protests took place outside of the white house. athena jones joining us live, so, you mentioned it can be heard if not seen a little bit from the lawn of the white house. the protest taking place in lafayette park, but has there been a draekt response coming from the white house? >> hi, fred, no direct response from the white house. as i mentioned, it appears to be disapating somewhat. some of the protesters had move ed around the corner to the trump hotel, just down the street from the white house, but it was a pretty large gathering out here for a couple of hours earlier. one of the biggest protests i've
seen taking place outside the white house, not quite as big as last week's woman's march, but still, several hundred, certainly a couple of thousand people i've been told. carrying signs that said things like make america kind again. signs quoting emma lazarus, the poem on the statue of liberty, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses. a lot of emotional reaction, not just from people directly affected by this new policy, but by people like these protesters, who are concerned that the policy is unconstitutional and un-american. the white house though standing its ground saying that this is necessary to protect the national security of the u.s. saying that the vetting procedure for immigrants from these countries and for refugees is woefully inadequate. tweeting about this this morning saying our country needs strong
borders and extreme vetting. look what is happening all over europe and indeed, the world. a horrible mess mess. also tweeting christians in the middle east have been execute d in large numbers. the white house feels they were elected -- this is the kind of move the president is doing and so as far as they're concerned, this is a promise kept and when it comes to the chaos and confusion in airports around the world and here in america, they say look, there's no kchaos, ths is working as we expected it to and so, they're pleased. >> all right, thank you so much. appreciate that. next, another big change in the white house. this new presidency, why steve bannon will now -- national secret meetings, next. [vo] quickbooks introduces rodney.
namely at airports at dallas, ft. worth airport. people turning out there to show their disappointment and their disdain for this new president trump executive order banning nationals from seven countries from entering the u.s. more on the protests sweeping the nation. meantime, another unprecedented decision by president trump. he has signed a memo adding his top adviser steve bannon to the national security council while removing the director of national intelligence and staff from their regular duties. susan rice shocked at trump's zig, tweeting this. quote, this is stone cold crazy. after a week of crazy. who needs mill ta advice or intel to make policy on isil, syria, afghanistan or dprk, korea, let's go to ryan noble,
cnn washington correspondent. >> yeah, that's right. essentially what we're talking about is the principles committee, a permanent group of members of this national security council that brief the president on important matters related to national security and intelligence. it's this group that usually only meets when the president is present, but according to this new memo, the make up of the group is going to change a little. of that group, but they will be be -- from time to time and -- the addition of steve bannon, who is the president's chief strategist and senior counselor, he is not a military expert, all though he did serve in the navy more of a political strategist and that has some here in washington very concerned. the it's not just democrats.
it's republicans as well. listen to what john mccain had to say about move this morning on cbs. >> i think the national security team around president trump is very impressive and i couldn't think you couldn't ask for a better one. general mattis. and the ones they're putting on board on their team. i am worried about the national security counsel, who are are the members of it and who are the permanent members. they appoint mr. bannon as something which is a radical departure from any national security counsel. when he sat in on one and axelrod, look, that is and the roll of the champl, the giant chiefs of staff has been diminished with this reorganization. one person was indisensable would be the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs in my
view, so it's of concern, this quote, reorganization. >> now, in addition to steve bannon sitting on this committee as a permanent member, this memo sates that the president himself could actually not be in these meetings and from time to time, vice president mike pence could serve in his place. and that was another thing that president obama's former national security adviser, susan rice, criticized. she said in that series of tweets you showed earlier, that president obama never was not in these meetings. >> all right, ryan, thank you u so much. raymond tanter, a former member of the national security counsel staff in the reagan administration, so, raymond, what are you thoughts on these changes? >> well, your set up piece reminds me of an analogy, remember president truman said that the, when he was asking an economist, will unemployment go up, down, he said look, it could go up or it could go down.
and he said, please send me a one handed economist. well, likewise. with respect to the issue of having steve bannon in, this is the joint chairman of the chairman of the joint chiefs of f staff in. what you have is a situation where on one hand, president trump feels more comfort bable with steve bannon. no matter whether he has the necessary qualifications as ryan sort of alluded to or not. and he may not feel comfortable with the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff or the director of national intelligence and nor woul general flynn feel comfort bable and flynn had problems with each in the past. >> so, what's left of the discretion of the president, but how different would these changes be? we did hear that the chief of staff said earlier today on
"meet the press," that these people, the chairman of the joint chiefs and director of national intelligence, would quote, be invited as attendees to the national counsel at any time even if this change means they wouldn't necessarily permanently be p president. >> i served on the reagan national security counsel staff. the decisions weren't made by the counsel. there was a meet after the counsel would meet and president reagan would meet with vice president bush. and a couple of other people at least sometimes who was a political counselor at the time and with james baker later. so, each president has a right to set up his or her own national security counsel the way that person wants it to run. >> and does it matter to you or
how do you digest that occasionally, president trump would not be there, but instead in his place, the vice president? >> i think that president trump has a right to decide whom he wants to be in the meeting, also with respect to himself. president obama always attended as ryan mention ed, pu presiden obama need not have attended. national contribute counsels are a function of what the president wants, not what the pundits would like to see. >> but you are in agreement that that kind of meeting discussion certainly assists a president to either justify a decision made or perhaps persuades them otherwise about deferring certain decisions. >> i think my personal view is that the president ought to be there. but my view was also that vice
president, not vice president, president-elect trump should have attended all of the theet et metings to hear the national intelligence that he was getting, but i'm not president. he is. >> and each president does what is comfortable to them. got it. all right. raymond, thanks for your time. appreciate it. more on the protests sweeping the nation after this. "how to win at business." step one: point decisively with the arm of your glasses. abracadabra. the stage is yours. step two: choose la quinta. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business.
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a u.s. service member has died from wounds suffer in a raid in yemen. three others were wounded. president trump authorized this operation and leased a statement say in part quote, americans are saddened this morning with news that a life of a heroic service member has been taken in the fight dwens the evil of radical islamic terrorism. my deepest thoughts and prayers are with the family. i also pray for a quick and complete recovery for the brave service members who sustained injuries. >> i want to bring in ryan brown. so, ryan, what more do we know about this service member? >> this service member was fatally wounded during a gun bautista l that follow ed a rai.
a special operations raid. about 14 were killed in it and it was part of a mission what's called attempting to gather intelligence that will that would allow raids in 2 the future. this involved the crash an aircraft that was forced to conduct what's called a hard landing and the u.s. military had the to destroy it to prevent that technology from falling into enemy hands. we're seeing a lot of ramped up activity. this is what's considered al-qaeda's most capable affiliate, but we're seeing a group under the trump presidency. >> thank you so much. trump's immigration ban is not only generating strong reactions in the u.s. people around the world are responding. what they're saying next.
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this just in. adding to at least two republican congressional leaders. now, republican congressman of texas, will herd, just released a statement in response to president trump's travel ban saying it pos a danger to americans. herd saying this, quote, a one size fits all solution is not the way to solve one of the most complex national security challenges we face. islamic terrorism. herd goes on to say quote, we cannot fight the scourge of islamic extremism alone. this visa ban is the ultimate display of mistrust and will erode our ally's willingness to fight with us. the ban also provides terrorists are another tool to gain sympathy and recruit new fighters end quote. >> we're hearing new details of
president trump's phone call that took place today with the king of saudi arabia athena jones has more. >> we have a readout from the call with king solomon. the king of saudi arabia a. it's a pretty full readout. the first of the three world leaders the president was expected to talk to today. it says that the two leaders reaffirmed the long standing friendship and strategic partnership. they talked about strengthening joint efforts to fight terrorism and working jointly to address the challenges to regional peace and security including in syria and yemen. but here's one of the most sbreing things about this statement. it says that the president requested and the king agreed to support safe zones in syria and yemen as well as supporting other ideas to help the many refugees who are displaced by the ongoing conflicts.
now, remember, this idea of safe zones is something that candidate trump ran on in order to help deal with the refugee crisis. but this idea of safe zones is something that obama administration would not work. another interesting part of this statement is that the two leaders agreed on the importance of rigorously enforcing the joint comprehensive plan of action with iran. that is the iran nuclear deal. the very same deal that president trump said he did not like. said he would consider pulling out of. so, the interesting to hear a reaftr reaffirmation. one more thing, it says the two leaders agreed to additional steps to strengthen bilateral, economic and energy cooperation. so, pretty substantive statement from what sounds like a substantive phone call with the saudi king. >> thank you so much.
at the white house. appreciate it. as we continue to monitor protests and marches across the u.s., a lot of confusion and anxiety inside american airports. at least 109 people were detained at u.s. customs after trump signed this executive order. but after federal judges in several cities granted an emergency stay for citizens subject to the ban, some were released, many still await their fate. let's talk more about this with cnn global affairs analyst, david rode and cnn international editor, nic robertson. so, david, senators john mccain and lindsey graham say this is a self-inflicted wound. in the fight against terror. do you agree? >> yes. in the long-term, i think it is. this is a sofrt f struggle for the future of islam between the sofrt radical vision of isis and the vast majority of muslims who are moderate.
we need allies on the ground, muslims who will fight alongside u.s. troops, who really lead the fight. that's what's happening in iraq. it's iraqis that are retaking mosul. there's a small number of of americans there, so this will alienate muslims. i know the administration says this is not a ban on muslim, but it's being interpreted that way. reuters with where i work, we hear nothing but confusion from around the globe from foreign officials and particularly from the middle east. what this means and just in your last report, this mention of safe areas again in syria, more confusion. does that mean american troops are going to go into syria and create these safe havens? it's very confusing to people in the region. zpl okay, then just bear with me because we just received a new statement coming from the office of the press secretary at the white house, this on the issue of vetting. we know there have been a lot of observations made. people who were stopped have their green cards or perhaps they were refugees and they already endured two years of a
rigorous vetting process so this statement now. i'm going to read the whole thing for you. so bear with me. it says america is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. america has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. we will keep it free and keep it as tmedia knows, but refuses to say. my policy is similar to what president obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from iraq for six months. the seven countries named in the executive order are the same countries previously identified by the obama administration as sources of terror. to be clear, this is not a muslim ban. as the media is falsely reporting. this is not about religion. this is about terror and keeping our country safe. there are over 40 different countries worldwide that are
majority muslim and they are not affected by this order. we will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days. i have tremendous feelings for the people involved in the horrific humanitarian crisis in syria. my first priority will be to protect and serve our country. but as president, i will find ways to help all those who are suffering. this a reflection of the sentiment of the president of the united states, is coming from the office of the press secretary at the white house, so, nic, will any of that statement appease some of the anxiety that is being expressed, whether it be by protests we're seeing in the airports or perhaps by allies across the world is this is. >> you know, let's talk about allies, the most recent and strongest.
theresa may finds herself now in avariance with him, has to distance herself from that policy, that's cost her back home. the leader of the opposition party tweeted that president trump shouldn't be allowed to come to britain. asked people to sign a protest. supposed to be coming on a state visit this year. asked people to sign a protest against that. in his tweet, he described the ban as a muslim ban, so when you have, leading politicses from countries in europe seeing it that way articulating it that way, we have a joint statement from the french and dutch foreign ministers this evening, both countries that are concerned about trump type politics because that's fuelling significant opposition parties nationalist pop list parties in their countries issued a statement they think is confusing. they say it's counterproductive to tackle terrorism. these are countries very much on the front line of trying to deal with a very significant and major terrorist threat.
it's own border, the message at the moment is being perceived as a muslim ban and if you look in iraq, some of the forces working alongside to fight isis and mosul in the north of the country, some are shia militias. some are calling for u.s. forces to be remove frd the country. so, you know, that's not something this iraqi government supports, but you get this sort of feedback from the rest of the world that does interpret it as a muslim ban. that's their own interpretation. >> i want to bring in athena jones at the white house. she's with us now as this statement was just released. you know, the headline here on the statement says you know, this is a statement on the extreme vetting, but it sounds reich it's more of a justification of for my actions
that this white house feels is fit to best secure this nation. is it being, is it going to be conceived that way? >> we'll see. i do think this is what's clear about this statement is that we know that president trump is a huge consumer of the news media, cable new, network news, newspapers and we know he has been watching a lot of his statements and actions over the last several days have certainly appeared to be direct responses to things he's seen on tv, so that's why you have in a statement, which is pretty unusual in terms of the last eight years to see a statement that direct references the media a couple of times. he talks about how america has been the land of the free and home of the brave, we'll keep it free, keep it safe. as the media knows, but refuses to say. he goes on to talk about how president obama did something similar suspending, banning visas for refugees from iraq for six months in 2011. he says the seven countries
naped in the order are the same countries previously identified by the obama administration as sources of terror. now, if you talk to folks in the obama administration, they'd say, saying that a country might need extra scrutiny is not the same thing as imposing a travel ban. you've heard from a lot of officials saying that when it comes to refugees, for instance, those are the folks that get some of the highest skutny, the most extreme already taking a couple of years in order to jump through all the hurdles to be allowed in the country. so i read this as a statement to justify act. and to defend his actions. very clear as i said, that he is responding directly. >> this is a justification, but does not respond to the criticism that has been hurled since friday and even including three republicans on capitol hill. who say that it is going to
potentially provoke a bigger problem. >> well, i mean, when he called for muslims entering the united states, he's walked back from the position, he complained muslims weren't reporting terror threats enough. again, colleagues looked at this, law enforcement officials told us muslims were reporting terror plots. they're a key ally inside the united states and around the world. the problem of the justification of the seven country, none of the attacks that have f occurred inside of the united states since 9/11 came from refugees or immigrants from these seven countries. most of the attacks were carried out by people from saudi arabia, they were attacks from people who had maybe family links or immigrants from pakistan afghanistan and those countries were exempt and so, it's this past rhetoric that's coming back now to leave these anchors to be seen as targeting muslims.
>> so, in this statement, the president is saying these seven countries were selected because it's an extension of policy and a list starting to be piled by the obama administration. we heard trump on the trail touting there would be be a great separation between the administration by donald trump and that of the obama administration, which you haven't really criticized, so, that being said, the seven countries were cited fwi obama administration has places where there were terrorists at camps. will that allay the concerns of allies who have expressed they tony like the way in which this has been rolled out? >> they're going to understand, there are some of these country rs a threat to them in the united states. and taking them for example, u.s. special forces went in overnight toward an al-qaeda compound there. costing one service member his life. we know that perhaps, al-qaeda's
most sophisticated bombmaker lives in yemen and builds his bombs in yemen and he made the underpants bomb that was worn by the nigerian attacker who flew into the airport in detroit in december 2009 at christmas, tried to detonate his pelosi. it didn't work, but the bomb came from yemen. but you know, international diplomacy runs on a different track. it runs on working together. counterterrorism officials in one county and intelligence officials working in one country with another. it works on a commonality, joined up, doesn't always work, but that's the strongest it can be. united states allies, they recognize that maybe these countries are the sources of ibs we've had terror cells in syria that have been directing attacks in europe, in france and belgium, there's a belief that
potentially terror cells in libya have been doing the same thing, planning attacks in europe, that you know, there's that recognition, but it's the methodology. out of the the bounds of normality and when you push the muslim community that the united states is against them, then you push them away as allies in all sorts of shapes and form, whether it's the moderate giving a more, if you will, message about the united states. to the man on the street who may turn to a police officer in new york and say look, i'm worried about this guy in my community. you know, so many levels, this is disrupting the order and that's why it's so worrying, because no one's convinced this current route is going to work. >> one more time, my producer there.
i have a a new tweet from donald trump. in direct response to there was a statement coming from lindsey graham and john mccain. who both were very critical of this and that tweet coming from donald trump saying the joint statement of former candidates john mccain and lindsey graham is wrong. they are sadly weak on immigration. there you go. there is that and clearly, a continuation coming. we'll have to wait for the part two of this statement come ong matter matters, so now, we are not only seeing a new statement coming from the president, but now u, a very public spat unfolding between the executive branch and the legislative branch of government here. you still with me? >> just more proof that the
president is watching and eager to defend his point of view. i've been stressing this over and over again the last several hour that is the white house feels they are on firm ground. they have argued that it is, that the current vetting process is woefully inadequate, that these steps are necessary. i was looking down earlier to find my notes from yesterday. a briefing with senior administration officials. interesting because yesterday, when they brought up these seven countries, just now in the release, they talk about the seven countries as being identified as sources of terror. yesterday, they weren't citing the obama administration, they said those seven countries were identified by congress as being particularly high risk. this was based on congressional stat thut that those seven countries were identified so, the justification kind of background they're offering is shifting a bit, which i think is another sign they're trying to show or to prove that this is a
just move. in the face of all of this scrutiny and criticism by people who said it is not only un-american, but also, illegal and unconstitutional. they're pushing back. >> okay. i believe now we have that part. part two now of president trump's tweet. again, let me preface it with the joint statement of former candidates john mccain and lind say graham is wrong. they are sadly weak on immigration. the two is that rights should focus their energies on isis, ill leet immigration and border security instead of always looking to start world war iii. so, david, now this public spat. you've got the president, who is now justifying the actions of the executive order and now, also, hurling you know, a response of republicans who have been critical within the last 48 hours. so, what would be the, the
sentiment or rebuke coming from other world leerds now seeing this unfold? >> well, i think there are these narrative that donald trump has created. he won the presidency, but that tweet sort of reflects, he mentioned isis and he's painting this picture of this world that's out of control. the total nump americans who have died in terrorist attacks in the united states since the large tacks in 2001 is roughly 125. that's 125 people over 15 years. there was an increase in attacks. the terrible in san bernardino and orlando, but they have dropped. 125 people over 15 years. he's painted this portrait of thing bradley central being out of control. but it's not at that high a revel. we have to be serious and deal with it, but that's the argument this is taking a sledgehammer that you know, is alienating people to a problem inside and
outside of the of a problem that's not as bad as he portrays it. if you look over the last several decades, illegal immigration coming from mexico is flat in terms of people crossing the border, so it's the same pattern of a narrative he has created of a crisis that many facts just don't support. >> all right, thank you so much. and nic, appreciate it. i want to get your sentiment. we'll take a short break. pick up right after this. we our noses are similarings that we have in common. and our cheeks. people say we sit the same way. (laughter) i decided to go on ancestry to get my dna tested so i could find out more about my heritage. and i also found that i had a sister that i didn't know about because i'm adopted. that was me. it was really exciting to find myself in someone else. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com
president trump releasing a statement defending his executive order. with us now is maria, also with us, jeffrey lord, a cnn political commentatocommentator. good to see you. okay, so, you first. two statements coming from the new president of the united states. you've got a formal white house stam, then this sticks and stones version in a tweet. i mean, what are we witnessing here? >> the method of communication of the president trump white house. i think no matter the subject, he'll be tweeting. so, i think that's what you're witnessing here. but look, i'm sure he's going to defend what he did. know one seemed to complain when president obama put a ban on iraqi refugees coming in for six months. >> right now, you're looking at a wave of protests.
you're hearing from republicans who are saying this is a problem. it may undermine efforts in the war on terrorism. so, you know, no now let's keep it in step with that. >> that's the point. the point is they're doing this because it's donald trump. that's why. this is a 90-day ban. relax. this is a country 100% build with immigrants. but we cannot have people coming into this country and committing mass murder. this has happened. in america, france, it has happened in other countries. it's not going to happen here again. if we didn't do something about it and it did happen -- >> jeffrey, so, then -- you know i love you to death, how many people from these seven countries have committed mass murder here in the united states? zero. absolutely zero. >> talk to us about the -- >> how many non -- >> this order is completely misguided. based on untruths. and it is, i will give him this.
this order is narrowly politically expedient because what we have seen, his supporters like jeffrey lord and will others absolutely love what he's doing because they see that he is keeping one of his campaign promises, which is to implement this horrendous un-american muslim ban. but in reality, what is being done is it's doing harm to other ability to actually fight terrorism abroad. it is alienating oe ining allie is president trump playing right into the hand of isis. you have isis folks, isis leadership, tweeting gleefully about news. >> real quick, jeffrey, in less than 20 seconds, how will measurements of benefits be
taken here? >> by not finding out that we've awakened one day and found another murder in the united states. mass murder committed by islamic radicals. every single country involved, harbors islamic radicals. murders in this country, whether it was 9/11 or san bernardino, et cetera, islamic radicals. >> we're up against the next hour. jeffrey lord and maria, we're not done with the topic, but at least for this hour, we are. thanks so much for spending your sunday with us. much more news room straight ahead. we are going to begin now with breaking news. on the dproeing opposition to president trump's immigration ban. we are monitoring protests and marches in major cities this hour. some demonstrators filling the baggage claims of international airports, others marching in their state capitals.