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fighting for. >> thank you so much. a reminder 9:00 a debate moderated by jake tapper and dana dash, please join us tonight. top of the hour, you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. moments ago the white house commented on this high stakes battle about to happen as a federal appeal court gets ready to hold a hearing on president trump's travel ban. three judges will be hearing these arguments, interestingly this is all happening over the phone on whether a ruling that halted the ban should actually stay in affect. this is the story that targets refugees and immigrants from these seven majority muslim nations.
moments ago we heard from the spokesperson sean spicer saying the president is confident the ban will be upheld. >> there's no question the president respects the judicial branch, but i just read off the u.s. code on that. i don't think there's any other way you can interpret that that the president has the discretion to do what's in es to kenecessa the country safe. i think he feels confident just like in the ruling in boston that we're going to prevail on this on the merits of the case. >> before sean spicer's response there president trump said he hoped this case would not ultimately need to go to the u.s. supreme court. >> if you remember, isis said we are going to infiltrate the united states and other countries through the migration. and then we're not allowed to be tough on the people coming in?
explain that one. we have a big court case, we're well represented and we'll see what happens. >> could it go to the supreme court? >> we'll see, hopefully it done have to. it's common sense, some things are law, and some things are common sense, this is common sense. >> let's start on this ban and whether or not it could go to the supreme court. i have david challenian and eri miller. and we heard the question to sean spicer could this go to scotus and he really didn't say one thing or the other, do you think tonight we'll know whether or not this ban will be upheld? >> i don't know if the ban will ultimately be upheld the executive order. i think what we could learn tonight or hours after this hearing once a ruling gets issued is whether or not this stay, the halting of the ban
remains in place as this goes through the judicial process, that is what you heard sean spicer do to not get too far ahead where the judicial process is. >> this culture of fear, david where he's talking about the earth is a dangerous place, this was shawn earlier, the president is around to keep the country safe although erroneously stating that the murder rate is on the rise. wrong. what are they trying to achieve here? >> also saying that these terror attacks that we apparently haven't covered according to the administration, haven't covered adequately haven't gotten quote the spectacular attention they deserve, i don't know many that talk about spectacular
attention, but clearly sean spicer is trying to move the language that president trump when at macdill air force base saying we ignore terrorist attacks to saying that we don't get adequate coverage, he's trying to temper trump's remarks but having terror in the conversation as this travel ban is being jaadjudicated on the courts is no accident. >> it reminds me a little bit of candidate trump and spokesperson as president trump. erin miller also, how surrogate presidents play cleanup but you have news that the pentagon is blaming the russians for the escalating violence in yukraine but the president has been down
playing it and defending vladimir putin. >> that's been one throughout the administration as trump elect and the candidate. in a far far galaxy, they don't have the the fingerprints to wreak havoc in the eastern part of ukraine but back here on earth the reality is that the russians are involved up to their eye balls in ukraine. both in terms of who is being sent in, those who are supported with military equipment and intelligence as well. and that applies to other matters as well including the notion that somehow the media isn't covering terror attacks under reporting or not reporting them. brooke, the issue comes down to trying to find the right balance between hyping the threat that we face from the jihadi terror
and trivializing it and i think the administration ran on the notion that they wanted to keep america safe and create jobs and i think they are vested in a narrative which tends to hype, and i would argue exaggerate the threat. and this executive order and frankly the key point the administration is it arguing in essence that it's a threat to national security and that the courts need to give the president discretion as to what is a national security, meanwhile back on plant earth the data simply does not support the notion that these generalized exclusions is not the threat we face. >> we don't live in the galaxy far far away and the pentagon i think recognizes that as well. david chalian, it's like head spinning all these bit of news that the correspondence needed to ask of sean spicer but did
you find him a bit more subdued in the wake of the melissa mccarthy snl skit or no? >> i'm not too surprised they decided not to stick to it but we know that image making matters a lot to sean spicer's boss, so i certainly think there was a more subdued toned down sh sean spicer at the podium, whether or not he did that conscio consciously, i don't know, but after it coming after melissa mccarthy, we don't know. >> there are still all kind of questions at the ecenter of the legal battle being waged in
court. is it constitutional did that judge in washington state over reach when he halted the ban? tonight's oral arguments are whether the suspension should remain. i have a constitutional lawyer who served under president reagan and george h. bush and karen tomlin, she litigates federal anti-immigration policies. let's get straight to it. david, beginning with you, just even on how this is happening this evening, so how i understand each side presents its case with these three judges and do we know how these three judges even were selected for this? >> well, it's random selection that's how it's supposed to work. >> and why is it all over the
phone? >> well, because the justice department has asked for expedition given the urgency of restoring the entry suspension and i guess they could -- the ninth circuit is a circuit covering many states and could not get all three of them in the same location. it's not unusual. >> is it's a live stream so we'll all be able to listen in. karen you take issue with this ban because you say there's no question this executive order singles out muslims, the administration over and over again says this is not a muslim ban, what is the burden in court to prove that it is? >> my organization, the national immigration law center and i personally take issue with this order, we think it violates the law in several ways in terms of
how it infringss on our bedrock principals that the government cannot discriminate religious groups or favor religious groups first of all what we have is the president has by executive fiat decided to override duly considered laws by congress that allow for folks that have visas to come here, doing so has targeted seven nations even though the word muslim is not used in the executive order given everything on the campaign trail we know the underlying purpose and motivation was to effectuate a ban on muslims into this country. >> and they say this is the president, he over sees immigration policy. >> he oversees immigration policy, that's right, but must abide set by congress, but must
not run afoul. it is that the government should not favor or discriminate against certain religious groups and when you you run into it you have to step aside. >> david? >> first of all it doesn't mention anything about a muslim ban, it is a ban on entry, refugees and visitors from seven countries where a total of majority of muslim is over 50, number two, immigration nationalization gives the president broad discrimination authority to ban entry of aliens when post conditions find that to be of national interest, in addition to his own formidable constitutional authority is acting in full accordance with the delegation of congress. so both branches have spoken
under the supreme court case law, including the famous case, points out that the president is at the apex of constitutional authority, and to me, not only this case has no merit but fundamentally the parties who brought it the two states have absolutely no standing under the jurisprudence therefore the most like likely result is that this case will be dismissed for back of jurisdiction. the judiciary is not supposed to adjudicate cases -- i think this can be resolved after to the hearing which not only the tro would be thrown out because the standing requirement is no different at this stage than the consideration of the merits would be reached. >> i'm hearing stark differences
in both your responses. i was reading one piece of this and karen, legal experts are agreeing that statements rhetoric made, not just by president trump and candidate trump and his surrogates can be brought into these proceedings in part to show intent. >> no, it cannot. >> that's what lawyers, i've read have said, why do you say no. >> the article free, the courts owe political deference, there's some instances in a domestics sphere where you have an order that is facially neutral on its face, but that has manifested for some other means the courts can scrutinize it in a different way. there's not a single case in foreign affairs where that has ever happened. for the court to say that because of some statement by the president we're going to abandon deference would get them
involved into analyzing the foreign policy decisionmaking which is not in an area suitable for judicial discernment that applies in many of those cases. >> i will take your word for it, this is something i read on a cnn wire, according to a law professor but this is your lane and i respect you for that. >> karen, quickly looking head at 6:00 tonight? >> look at the big picture since the executive order has been signed. we've seen lawyers like me have taken to the courts and across the country there have been serious questions raised about the constitutionality and legality of this order and have seen people take to their feet and standing up and saying this executive order doesn't represent me or the values that i think our country holds and
last we have seen the really grave human impact of this muslim ban affecting families separating families and the 24 hours the tremendous diversity of stakeholders, tech holders with huge names now 16 attorney generals plus three other states saying no we have questions about this executive hoard it's not who we are as a country and i think that's what we will be hearing tonight. >> karen and david thank you so much this could end up with the high highest court in the land with the supreme court. we'll be taking the hearing live at 6:00 tonight. president trump offers to quote destroy the career of a state senator. why would he say that and who is this state senator? we'll have that for you.
welcome back, you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin, the president caught up on a war on facts claiming inaccurately claiming that the murder rate is the highest its been in 47 years. >> and yet the murder rate is the highest it's been in 47 years. i say that in a speech and everybody was surprised because the press doesn't tell it like it is.
it wasn't to their advantage to say that but the murder rate is the highest from 45 to 47 years. >> let's begin with brian stelter. brian, i remember him saying this on a trail as candidate trump. it's wrong. where is he getting these numbers? >> that's right it was fact checked and debunked and now saying to the officials invited to the white house today, saying that the media isn't telling it like it is, when in fact he is not telling it like it is. trump would be right to say that there's been a record year over year increase in the murder rate however the main point here, i think the more important point is that the murder rate remains
much lower much lower than the 70s and 80s and 90s, we in america have been blessed with a relatively low murder rate so trump is wrong when he says it is a high. >> thank you very much. we also heard sean spicer in the white house briefing getting grilled on the claim that the media is not reporting some terror attacks, a reminder, this is what president trump initially said. >> what happened in pairs and nice, all over europe it's happening, it's gotten to a point where it's not even reported and in many cases the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it. they have their reasons and you understand that. >> so after that, the white house then released this long list of you know 78 or so attacks it claims were quote
under reportreported the truth nrk nn was there. inside the press briefing room again today he brought this up, here is sean spicers response today. >> we want to be very clear there are a lot of examples between 2014 and 2016, is too often that these attacks are not getting the spectacular attention they deserve and urn mines the threat that we face in this country. >> i have matt lewis with us, and senior columnist at the daily beast. listening to sean's explanation, what did you think of that? >> are it doesn't make sense to
me. clearly whether he ever there's a terror attack the media is all over it. i think you could even argue that the media overcovers these things and could stoke fear, i think it should be the media covers terror attacks when they happen and a week or two later sort of recedes from covering the war on terror and radical islam. but to say that the media doesn't cover these attacks is false. >> yes, so that's your point. dean, you wrote about this in the "daily beast." you called out the president's criticism but say it's inaccurate, you talk about the attack on christians that don't
receive adequate -- they create an even more toxic anti-muslim climate by making my fellow americans believe there are more terrorist attacks by muslims. >> i don't call them radical christians, they're not. but at the end of the day donald trump is talking about this issue, a man named robert dada is on trial for attempting attacking people with
machetes -- it was muslims being killed. we have six muslims killed by a man who hated immigrants, walked into a mosque open fired killed six muslims, if it were christians, you would have donald trump talking about it. i really wish the media would cover it because our lives matter and it's important for us as well we're in a dark time right now. >> stelter were you nodding? >> there was some coverage, but i think you're on to something saying if the roles had been reversed if some tragic way it would get more attention. quebec was not on the president's list, there were some miss spellispellinmissspel
are extremists from very different directions from white extremists and muslim extremists, but the numbers are very small killed by terrorists of any kind but there is a greater threat from muslim extremists than christian extremists so i do take quibble with that part. >> is i wonder why the white house is putting out this list. what are they trying to do, trying to put something out there so we really talk about it and put it into the bloodstream as we are now, matt? what do you think? >> yeah, the topic right now is this so-called muslim ban so this is the administration trying to buttress the case, trying to talk about the threats that radical islamism does pose america and i think on one hand
statistically speaking you're probably more likely to die because of a swimming pool at your house than because of terrorism whether that's coming from christians or muslims. on the other hand, i would say that part of the job of being a president, being the commander in chief is to anticipate future attacks. and i think that the real danger isn't the lone wolf guy with a machete as horrible and horrific that is it's the threat of a 9/11 attack happening, some sort of dirty bomb, that's the serious threat and i think we may look back, donald trump says you could look back a couple years from now and say why didn't we listen to donald trump when he wanted to do that? >> dean, go ahead and jump in. >> well, i agree, the concern is a bomb, senstenced 30 years to
life, a white supremacist, i'm afraid we're going to have an attack that somebody comes and kills people in my community. and i plead with the same zeal and gusto, there's a threat of isis, white supremacists are out there plotting to kill me and my family. >> you make a value point and i hope are 100% wrong. >> thank you. >> he's pretty sure president obama likes him. what's behind that comment coming up.
president trump has crit cr administration, but in the preinterview for the super bowl has said they like each other. >> you guys seem to get a along, would that be accurate? >> it's a very strange phenomena, we get along, i don't know if he'll admit this, but he likes this. >> how do you know he likes you? >> because that's what i do in life, like i understand. >> brianna keilar is with me, a senior white house correspondent, such a rich sound bite. president obama would not like a single thing that president trump has done these last two
weeks but there's something to be said about these two having a friendship. >> i will tell you you do have this other side of him that is very charming and engaging and we heard about the first meeting that president obama and president elect trump had in the oval office, this was quite the extraordinary step brooke as you noted on your program, we weighed in on the travel ban and basically did this because it met that litmus test that he felt it violated american values, he was pretty civil in his criticism but weighed in none thele less.
>> can we say on tv that president obama is jacked? >> well, you just said it. he seems to have had some time to perhaps spend some time in the gym. he did make a habit of that as president, he has been relaxing but come on if you were on richard branson's private island and spending days kite boarding how excited and relaxed are you going to look? >> i just wonder where is michelle? thank you so much. we are hours away from legal arguments over president trump's travel ban, we will speak to a conservative republican who has welcomed muslims in his home. he and his daughter share their eye-opening experience with us.
welcome back, you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin a couple of hours now a federal appeals court will hear arguments on whether or not it will lift president trump's travel ban and families are finally reunited with their loved ones, here is a look. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i was so worried about my family. i cannot send them back to yemen, it's a war zone. my family is here. nobody above the law, even the president. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we're not here to harm you,
i'm immigrant, i'm muslim, you're muslim, but i think there are bad people, good people in every religion. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> i'm very tired from the trip, but when i see the people, i'm very, very happy and i feel i'm home really. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> we don't know what happened. we played by the rules, we don't do anything wrong. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> please allow me to thank all the people of america that supported me, especially my
fellow -- >> that is a look at some of those reunions and now refugees have been receiving help for years, one man has been taking in families in for decades long before any talk of a travel ban. he is a life long republican with strong christian values and sharing the stories of these refugees. >> one thing we learned that i didn't expect was how difficult the decision to leave was for many of these families. raheem and rahana have six and seven respective siblings that they said goodbye to this year maybe forever. they are paying a price most of us couldn't imagine in choosing a new home. >> i have rich including his
daughter, she recently wrote about her dad's generosity, so it is wonderful to have you on. nice to meet both of you. >> nice to meet you brooke. >> hi, dad. >> rich, to you first, why did you do this for years and years? >> well, we're blessed to have four children, so once they started leaving the home, we had lots of space to take in anyone who night need space and more recently because my wife kathy works for the catholic church we learned to volunteer for host families trying to resettle here in the washington area and seemed like a natural help. >> let me read a little bit, my parents are no bleeding heart liberals, they are not protesters, did not vote for
hillary clinton or obama obama, or bill clinton, but they are christians and they love the items and for them that has always machine welcoming the lonely the haemless the foreigner, what did you learn? i learned welcoming the stranger is not a burden, it's really a joy, an opportunity to learn about people who are different from you and to create life long friendships with those people. raheem and rahana who lived with us recently, we became friends and came to my sister's wedding and we decorated christmas cookies and i really feel
enriched by this cheerexperienc >> rich, after taking these families in year after year, did you ever get any funny looks of people wondering why you were doing this? >> actually never, it was a village experience, in the case of raheem and rahana after the short stay with us to when they were ready to move to their apartment, neighbors donated furniture, we collected video tapes to help their youngsters to learn english, so everybody jumped in and welcome new americans. >> and you have been doing this for years and is in the bloodstream and now about the president's travel ban, it's nearly 47% support this travel ban, a lot of them are your fellow republicans who think this ban is in deed necessary to
keep people out of this country who maybe want to do bad things to americans, ashley what would you say to them? >> i would say there has been a lot of fear driving the conversation around migrants and refugees over the past year or two. and i think this election showed us that you don't address people's fears by calling them irrational or even thoughirowin facts even if the facts are true, i thought the best way was to show faces and tell stories which demonstrate common humanity, it not only challenges others republicans or others who do not want to welcome them but also on the other side that
might characterize republicans as xenophobic. >> thank you. >> here is a quote, i will destroy his career. a warning from the very top to an unnamed texas state senator. i told him that the cartel would build a monument to him in mexico -- >> whether or not is the state senator? do you want to give his name? >> we'll destroy his career. [ laughter ]
we have to down to three or four state senators. there are two, one republican and one democrat who have supported legislation of the sort that the sheriff was complaining about. one of them is a woman which narrows it down because the sheriff who is very clear i spoke with the sheriff a few hours ago. it is definitely a man.
there are two other male republican senators, all of these folks -- and we're pretty sure it's one of those two. all of these republicans are civil libertarians who say it's terrible the government can come in and take your assets before you've even been convicted and the sheriff feels like, you know, we're usually pretty sure the dog is alert on this money, it's been around drugs. you saw his exchange with the president. the president kind of called out the senator whoever he is. >> and whoever this mystery state senator is, we'll have to wait and see how or, you know, if he responds to what the president said around that round table. what did you make of that conversation today at the white house with those sheriffs, todd? >> i thought it was a very interesting joke. it's very hard to imagine president obama or president bush or the previous president saying i will destroy someone's career even as a joke. on the other hand, does anyone really think that president trump is keeping kind of
nixonian list as this brief encounter with the national leadership of sheriffs association? i don't think so. it does help project this tough guy persona that president trump likes to project. is he going to follow through on these sorts of threats? probably not to this level. >> while i have you, just quickly, ahead tonight we have this face-off between senator sanders and senator cruz. you know, you being with the dallas morning news, i just wanted to ask you, there is this great clip of our manu raju walking with senator cruz before the elevator shot e. was saying, listen, on obamacare president trump made a promise to the republicans repeal and replace this year whereas president trump the last couple of days has said, maybe 2018. what do you think senator cruz says tonight? >> i think senator cruz is going to back up president trump because what we've seen since they made up a few months ago, and cruz jumped back on board the trump bandwagon is that cruz
has really been a wing man for president trump. we saw very early in the primaries that they were closely allied. there is virtually no up side for cruz to be sniping at trump. they are aligned politically. i think he is looking forward to this debate tonight going back to his college debate days. he doesn't really speak for the white house, but my suspicion is that he will speak in favor of the white house. >> we'll see tonight here on cnn. todd, thank you. todd gilman at the white house with dallas morning news. still ahead hire on cnn, president trump senior advisor kellyanne conway joins cnn for a live interview. stay right here. want to hear. ells you what yu but kind is honest. this bar is made with cranberries and almonds. so, guess what? we call it cranberry almond. give kind a try.
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house speaker paul ryan insisting today he intends to pass legislation this year to repeal obamacare and replace it with something else. the speaker's announcement though contradicts suggestions by president trump that such a move may have to wait until next year. >> so, we do have plans. our committees are busy underway doing this, and yes, we're going to have a great conversation with our fellow citizens about how it is our mission to rescue the health care system from its imminent collapse, and to give people something better. and we hope to get this done as fast as possible because families are counting on us. >> speaker ryan maintains again congressman price confirmed the next secretary of health and
human services will help the process and called on the senate to vote on his nomination. quick reminder again tonight here on cnn, senators bernie sanders and santa cruz will be debatesing the future of obamacare. i'm brooke baldwin. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. >> thanks, brooke. president trump says the media doesn't report terrorist attacks? wait, i thought watched a lot of cable news. "the lead" starts right now. after president trump falsely claims the media does not report on terror attacks in europe the white house then releases a list of attacks it claims were under reported, such as paris and orlando, and san bernardino. we'll ask one of the president's closest advisors, kellyanne conway what on earth he's talking about. ukraine erupting, russian-backed rebels launched the most v