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how do you see it? >> it's an unusual collision of politics and politicians and brands for sure that we haven't seen in the past. i mean, there have been many people in the white house, and many first ladies, in fact, who have -- and family members who have gone on to have profitable ventures from various items. but most of the time, i think it's fair to say that nonprofit and charity has been involved with those efforts as well. this is unusual for sure. what's interesting is that in spite of the agitation from trump's side towards nordstrom's, for example, nordstrom really isn't seeing a decline in their business or in their standing in the marketplace. i'm not sure in the future what these kinds of attacks on brands will mean for brands. but so far, we're not seeing that it's a particularly distressing outcome for brands.
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what is interesting, i think, is that the world is kind of being turned on its head. i mean, the reason nordstrom's is pulling ivanka's brand is purportedly because sales have declined. so you have to kind of question what the status is of the trump brand in general. is it on the decline? is the impact of this actually, you know, having the reverse effect on the trump brand and creating some decline? >> martha, chris, thank you so much. we'll learn a lot because there will be a lot more examples of this going forward. the next hour of "newsroom" begins right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. good morning, everybody, i'm john berman. >> i'm poppy harlow. so glad you're with us. we begin with breaking news. president trump on the attack this morning over the raid in yemen that left one navy s.e.a.l. dead. the white house calls it a success. john mccain not seeing it that way. >> donald trump wrote this morning, "senator mccain should not be talking about the success or failure of a mission to the
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media, only emboldens the enemy. look at the mess our country is in, bogged down all over the place. our hero ryan died on a mission, not on a failure. time for the u.s. to get smart and start winning again." we just got a statement moments ago from senator mccain. that is our breaking news. let's get right to manu raju on capitol hill. man n manu, what are you learning? >> reporter: john mccain said last week that you cannot call the raid in yemen a success, it resulted in loss of life, that started the chain of events that you guys just cited. i talked to him earlier today, he said he'll refer to his statement from his press secretary, his press secretary putting out a cautious statement, not trying to escalate this fight with the president the united states, saying that senator mccain will continue to execute his oversight duties as chairman of the senate armed services committee and support the brave
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men and women serving our nation in uniform. so a cautious response. i tried to talk to senator mccain about this as well just moments ago. he did not answer directly, but he did go after donald trump on the issue that he has long criticized trump on, on russia. take a listen. >> are you concerned, should they have authorized this raid to begin with? >> i've said everything that i have to say about it. >> do you think it was a mistake? >> i've already said. really, i've said everything there is to say about it. >> the russia remove act, you signed on to this bill to give congress a say. why is that necessary to do? >> because we're very concerned about lifting sanctions. the president's recent statement about equating the united states and russia. >> and you're concerned the administration did this unilaterally? >> i'm not that i'm, quote,
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concerned. it's that i want to make sure that we have this ability as congress, because the president has made conflicting statements about it. >> and donald trump equating the united states with vladimir putin? >> i've said before, it's almost -- it's really incredible that the president of the united states would equate the greatest nation on earth, that has the greatest record of helping people all over the world, with that of vladimir putin, who is a butcher and a killer. >> reporter: so two things to unpack there. one, he did not want to escalate this fight over yemen, because of the fact that it did result in the loss of american life, it's obviously something that's very sensitive and something that he does not want to continue on this path, even as sean spicer demanded an apology from people like john mccain who did not believe that this was a such as the mission, but not afraid to go after the president on russia.
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there is a new bill that was introduced by john mccain and six other republican and democratic senators to give congress veto power if the president were to lift sanctions on russia. and assess he said right there,y concerned about comments by the president equating what vladimir putin has done and what the united states has done. expect to hear more on that in the coming days and weeks. >> manu raju on capitol hill. senator mccain certainly in the mix right now, and as he says, going to continue to engage in his oversight responsibilities as chairman of the armed services committee in the senate. manu, thanks very much. let's get to jeff zeleny at the white house. jeff, what are you hearing? >> reporter: president trump is meeting with airline executives. but that's not what he's been talking about all morning long. he has been engaging with john
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mccain on capitol hill really in a way that we've not really seen a president engage with him. but also, his supreme court confirmation fight. now suddenly looking very different this morning. the president was out early this morning sort of pushing back at senator richard blumenthal, who says judge neil gorsuch, trump's supreme court nominee, has been disheartened by the comments the president has been making. the white house right now is confused about what the president is doing, quite frankly. the strategy here was to put the judge forward, have him speak to senators openly and honestly, have him talk about, you know, his record on the bench. but the president this morning sort of pushing back at these comments. it's creating some discord inside the west wing here. we'll see if the president talks about that this morning. and in about 30 minutes or so he's also scheduled to confirm
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and in fact swear in the attorney general, jeff sessions, here. so a lot going on in the west wing this morning. but not as smooth as they hoped this thursday would be rolling out, john and poppy. >> jeff zeleny for us in washington, i said you were at the white house, you're not, but you're nearby. jeff, thanks. we're joined by historian julian zelezer. david gergen is with us. jackie kucinich. and professor of constitutional law, stephen griffin. on this back and forth between donald trump and john mccain, let's get to senator mccain's response where he says he will continue to enforce his oversight responsibilities as chairman of the armed services committee. as the chair of armed services, is it within his rights, david, to comment on the success or failure of a military mission? >> absolutely.
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absolutely. this is one of the most powerful positions in the senate. it's vital to our national security. and we all -- we regularly have, you know, debates back and forth whether a raid or particular military operation was a good idea or bad idea. as i recall, donald trump made a huge point during the campaign why he thought the war against iraq was so mistaken. well, you know, when sean spicer came out yesterday and said, when somebody gets killed like this and the critics speak up, it does a disservice to the person who has been killed. my goodness, what about the iraq war and how he handled that? how about benghazi, where donald trump went back and forth? i think donald trump was right to have those arguments. but having said that, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. i do think it was absolutely within john mccain's purview, and it's legitimate. and the whole notion of trying to shut down your critics, as sean spicer did yesterday, as
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trump is doing again today, is so antithetical to everything america stands for, in a robust, vibrant democracy. >> stephen, there is also the issue of shutting down your critics when you're actually not stating fact in order to do so. the president also tweeting this morning about richard blumenthal, the senator, saying that, you know, that judge gorsuch said -- you know, that he was displeased about the comments about the judiciary branch, alluding to what the president said about these judges. the president comes out and tweets that he's misrespecting what judge gorsuch said. but judge gorsuch's own spokesman came out and said, nope, that's true, that's exactly what the justice said. what do you make of it? >> well, i make of it that judge gorsuch did speak up, he hasn't objected to it. this happened 24 hours ago, his own team has confirmed it. i don't know why the president is questioning the veracity of
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that. i can understand why he's not pleased. i'm sure he's surprised, this is a man he's put forward, expressed total faith in, i'm sure he feels gorsuch as turned on him. nonetheless, i also understand judge gorsuch is in a dilemma. he's supposed to be having honest conversations and this is pretty important when the president attacks the judiciary branch. probably judge gorsuch has gone up in the estimation of members of the senate and gone down in the estimation of the white house. >> as a constitutional law professor, weigh in on that. >> well, the thought that occurs to me is that the trump administration's immigration ban is rapidly morphing into a much bigger constitutional battle, a constitutional problem. and it's all because of the actions, avoidable actions, of the president himself. the president himself is
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creating a new controversy on top of the immigration controversy that he's already involved in, namely a controversy having to do with whether he's going to launch an attack on the independence of the judiciary, something where he's going to get bipartisan pushback. i have a strong feeling that judge gorsuch's comments are widely shared on the federal judiciary. and the federal judiciary is ultimately something that president trump is going to need to enforce really anything he wants to do. so it's as if president trump is not getting any good legal advice. >> jackie, if we can, i would like to go back to the back and forth, really just the "forth" that the president is having with john mccain right now. when he said before that "senator mccain has been losing so long, he doesn't know how to win." adding this personal, you know,
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attack in what is a discussion about a military operation where navy s.e.a.l. died, i don't think we should let that pass by lightly. >> that's donald trump's m.o. i'm not saying it's all right. i'm just saying that's what he does, he attacks people personne personally. we're talking about a man who said john mccain isn't a war hero, which is just absolutely false, and john mccain deserves the utmost respect for his service. donald trump has really thought so. he doesn't like that john mccain consistently goes after him, not only for this but also on russia. john mccain has been one of the most -- we heard that in his interview with manu, he's been one of the most outspoken critics of donald trump's praise for vladimir putin. so this is a relationship that's only going to get worse. but i'll tell you, john mccain isn't going to stop speaking up. so donald trump is just going to have to settle in.
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>> julian zelezer, as a historian, a professor of presidential history, weigh in for us on when you've seen a divide like this before when it comes to personal attacks. we've many times under many presidents seen ideological divides and divides on policy. but the personal attacks we're seeing from the president against his fellow republicans in government. >> we've had very contentious relations. richard nixon and the democratic congress had very little love for each other. democrats were very vocal about what was wrong with the administration. >> this is within the president's own party. >> president trump has a tendency not just to attack his own party but to do it on very personal levels as he's doing with mccain. the question is, does he become his own worst enemy. democrats don't look like they'll line right now for almost anything the president
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sends their way. if he starts to undercut republican support in the senate for his policies, for his nominees, that will be a big problem for the white house. >> even if he loses republican support on capitol hill, that's when you might see things like the house oversight committee under jason chaffetz exerting oversight over the white house. david gergen, you've worked in a number of administrations, as we like to say. this morning, kellyanne conway, senior counsel to the president, went on tv basically saying people should go buy ivanka trump merchandise. this has to do with nordstrom's dropping ivanka trump's line, the president criticizing nordstrom's. let's play that. >> did the president pick up the phone, did the judge pick up the phone, did they speak yesterday after senator blumenthal came out with his comments? >> i'm going to comment on that.
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the president is fully confident in judge gorsuch. look at this, the blue is how much people support what the 39 is doing. >> on the travel ban. >> no, affordable care act, century cities, seven predominantly muslim countries from entering the u.s. he's connecting with them on the substance. >> it's a politico morning consult, if you want to get the details on that. >> quinnipiac poll shows 91% of republicans love donald trump. >> they do. basically because he keeps his promises, everybody is just shocked that this man is about accountability. but you asked about ivanka. i visited with her yesterday. this is a very successful businesswoman, twice. obviously she's stepped away from it now. in the past she's helped to run her family's real estate empire. and on the side she developed another fully unbelievably
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untrey [ o entrepreneurial business that bears her name. she's gone to a thousand stores or places where you can buy, you can certainly buy her goods online. she's a confident, creative, talented woman who also supports her father's presidency and realizes that there are bigger issues that he's going to tackle, and if she decides and it works for her family, she comes inside the white house, she knows people will be working with her on women's empowerment. i find it ironic you've got some executives all over the internet bragging about what they've done to her and her line and yet they're using the most prominent woman in donald trump's, you know, most prominent -- >> kellyanne -- >> and they're using her who has been a champion for women in the workplace to get to him. people can see that. go buy ivanka's stuff, is what i would tell you, i hate shopping but i'm going to go get some myself today. >> that last bit, david gergen,
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"go by ivanka's stuff," is that appropriate from a white house staffer at the white house? >> well, we've never seen it before. that i can recall. and hawking the goods and the brands of a member of the family traditionally has been considered out of bounds. it crosses lines. listen, you know, all of us are trying to be fair to the president. we're trying to find the things that he does that we can say yes, he did a really good job on that. but sometimes it's a real struggle. attacking the judiciary, attacking senator mccain in a personal and insulting way, hawking the goods of the lawyer, i must tell you, i think all three are ill-advised in the white house. you would think some of the republicans who have spent time trying to shut down elizabeth warren might spend some time now trying to shut down some of the things that are coming out of this white house, i think they would be better off, the country would be better off. >> david gergen, jackie
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the president tweeting up a storm this morning and leeting with a number of major airline ceos at the white house. jeff zeleny joins us from the white house. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we're about to see some footage of this meeting which is under way right now. the president is meeting with airline ceos, as you said, to talk about infrastructure, to talk about rebuilding roads and airplanes and other things. getting our first glimpse of the meeting, the president is also talking about a lot of his own personal experience with airports, with the travel industry. he says sometimes pilots simply don't get it right, he referred
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to his own pilots. he's talking about investing in this. this is something the airline industry is really just the latest round of ceos that have been coming to this white house for the last three weeks or so. but they have very important issues to be discussing with the president. we're seeing this video here right now. >> let's watch. >> thank you all. i know so many of you through reading in business magazines. you've done an amazing job. and i want to congratulate you. and i know you're under pressure from a lot of foreign elements and foreign carriers. i've been hearing that a little bit. at the same time we want to make life good for them also. they come with big investments. in many cases those investments are made by their governments. but they are still big investments. i'm thrilled to welcome the leaders of the airline industry to the white house. your industry supports over 10 million well-paying u.s. jobs and creates almost $1 trillion in economic activity, which is
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really big stuff, really amazing. last year our airlines moved approximately 2 million people each day in our country, and they move them well, which is an incredible amount. despite the bad equipment that airports give you in many cases because they can't get approvals on anything and you have the regulatory morass that's disaster. a lot of the equipment is objects the day they order it. that's according to people -- i have a pilot who is a real expert and he said, sir, the equipment they're putting on is just the wrong stuff. we'll talk about that. he says, if we're going to modernize our systems we should be using the right equipment. mr. tillden is nodding, you know what i mean. let's order the right equipment. probably the wrong equipment costs more. we can buy the right equipment for less money. i want to talk about that. because my pilot, he's a smart
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guy, and knows what's going on, he said, the government is using the wrong equipment, and instituting a massive multibillion dollar project but they're using the wrong type of equipment. so let's find out about that. we want the traveling public to have the greatest customer service with an absolute minimum of delays and with the greatest convenience all at the lowest possible cost. we want to help you realize these goals and we will indeed help you realize these goals. airports are very important to me, travel is very important to me. as an example, somebody was saying yesterday to me that you go to china, you go to japan, they have fast trains all over the place. we don't have one. i don't want to compete with your business, but we don't have one. and it's the same thing in our airports. our airports used to be the best. now they're at the bottom of the
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rung. we've spent $6 trillion. think of it, as of two months ago, $6 trillion in the middle east. we've got nothing. we've got nothing. we never even kept a small -- just even a little tiny oil well. not one little -- i said, keep the oil. but we spent right now $6 trillion in the middle east. we have nothing. and we have an obsolete plane system. we have obsolete airports. we have obsolete trains. we have bad roads. we're going to change all of that, folks. you're going to be so happy with trump. i think you already are. so we want to help you realize these goals by rolling back burdensome regulations. and you people are regulated probably as much as almost anybody, although i can think of a couple of industries that are even worse. lowering the overall tax burden on american businesses big league. that's coming along very well. we're way ahead of schedule, i believe. and we're going to be announcing something i would say over the next two or three weeks that
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will be phenomenal in terms of tax. and developing our aviation infrastructure. again, i want to thank you all for being here. so i want this to be a meeting of substance. i want to be able to do things for you. the auto industry was in, as they left they said it was the best meeting they've ever had. i even took them into the oval office. the head of ford, the head of general motors, the head of fiat, others, they never saw the oval office. i said, they never took you in? do you know how far it was away from the room? ten feet. it was ten feet across the hallway. but they never got taken in. i took them in. the ougauto companies will be making massive investments in ohio, michigan, pennsylvania, a lot of the places where jobs have left. ford is great, they cancelled a big plant in a certain place, won't say where, a $2 million
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plant, and they'ring aboe build in the united states. they'll be great. we'll also be great to them. we'll get rid of a lot of unnecessary regulation. we're going to make their life a lot easier. they're going to employ a lot more people. a lot of businesses are rushing in, they're coming in big league. with that, i thought what we'll do is perhaps we'll start with mr. gray. we'll go around the room and just quickly say who you are and who you represent. the biggest of the airlines here. and -- no, stay, stay. [ bleep ]. >> live television. >> the pool feed was cut right there. jeff zeleny is still with us. you have these corporate executives that are appreciative of outreach, they like to be called to the white house and asked their opinion. some are supportive of the president's positions, i have to imagine the airline ceos
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supportive of the idea of infrastructure investment, rebuilding the nation's airports, regulatory reform, i think they support that. on the other hand, the ceo of united has been critical of the president's positions on immigration. >> absolutely. and what was interesting here, let's bring in jeff zeleny to join us as well, he said the auto ceos left, jeff, and that they said it was the best meeting they ever had, and he said, sort of seriously, i think you'll like president trump, you already do. >> reporter: when you're in the state dining room with the president, you don't disagree with his suggestions that it's the best meeting ever. but the reality here is, there is no question that the ceos enjoy this outreach. they want tax reform. they want on ease on regulations. there are also issues here, how will infrastructure projects be paid for? a lot of promises are made that
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gives heartburn to people on capitol hill, republicans we're talking about here, how will all of this be paid for? that's something the white house has yet to articulate here. also in those remarks, i was still sort of struck by the president talking about oil, other things. some of the things he repeats from meeting to meeting here just simply aren't reality in terms of u.s. taking the oil and other things. as this meeting is still now happening, the cameras are out of it. it will be fascinating if we can find out if any of these airline ceos ask him questions or voice concerns about the immigration travel ban, because that's something that impacted the airlines, something they were not brought up to speed with. i talked to one official this morning working with the airlines and this official said they do not plan to bring it up, because why agitate the president on this. but this is something that is concerning to these ceos. >> you would think that's the whole point of a meeting like this, to bring up concerns like that. >> reporter: perhaps. >> there were people who got on
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those planes, landed at jfk in new york, and weren't allowed in this country and had to go back. >> the united ceo did say it created quite a mess for them. jeff zeleny in washington, thanks so very much. busy, busy morning in the white house. jeff sessions, the senator, moments away from becoming the attorney general. he will be sworn in in an official ceremony. what does the justice department that he will walk into look like this morning? stay with us. but they're different...nd kind nice tells you what you want to hear. but kind is honest. this bar is made with cranberries and almonds. so, guess what? we call it cranberry almond. give kind a try. when aachoo!calls... ...answer it. with zicam cold remedy. it shortens colds, so you get better, faster. colds are gonna call. answer them with zicam! zicam. get your better back. now in great tasting crystals.
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good morning, everyone. bottom of the hour. i'm poppy harlow.
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>> i'm john berman. thanks so much for being with us. any moment now, at the white house senator jeff sessions will be sworn in as the nation's attorney general. he was confirmed overnight after a bitter fight by democrats. >> he will be saddled with defending controversial policies like the travel ban and supporting the president who has made unprecedented attacks on the judiciary branch. sunlen serfaty, let me begin with you. many democrats, and loudly, senator elizabeth warren, say very clearly their fight against him, despite him being confirmed at any moment, is far from over. >> reporter: that's very right, poppy. democrats signal they intend to keep the pressure on him. they did lose this nomination fight on capitol hill but they're promising and already adopting, really, a fighter's stance, wanting to hold his feet to the fire, so to speak, in his
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new role as attorney general. immediately after he was confirmed last night, we saw a flurry of tweets coming from senator elizabeth warren, essentially warning shots, saying, senator sessions, i will be watching you. she says, if he turns into -- turns a blind eye to what donald trump does, if trump violates the constitution, he'll hear from us. and then she added in a tweet, quote, and you better believe every senator who voted to put jeff sessions' radical hatred into the justice department will hear from us too. and we heard many of these complaints and criticisms from many democratic senators throughout this confirmation process up here on capitol hill. one of the chief complaints was that he was one of the most early and loyal supporters to donald trump throughout the campaign. a lot of senators questioning whether he will go on to just be a rubber stamp in the trump administration. >> he was the first sitting senator to come out and endorse
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the president. >> he was. it's not unusual for people who support or endorse candidates to end up with cabinet positions, i'm not sure that's a valid criticism from democrats. there's going to be a hundred thousand doj employees greeting him. >> i was there in 2009 when eric holder walked into the building and there was a raucous welcome with people lining the staircases and hallways. it was a big deal, the attorney general came in on a cold day in washington and was greeted with a hero's welcome. it will be a different welcome today because we're in a different place. there is a lot of suspicion inside the building of jeff sessions, because he was in the senate and because he's been a critic of interpretations of law
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that the justice department has been making over the last eight years under president obama's presidency. we'll see a sharp right turn from this attorney general. he will take a different view on policing issues, on voter fraud, which the only administration had been investigating police departments in how they work with minority communities. we know jeff sessions will take a different view of marijuana legalization and a different interpretation of the law on transgender rights, which is and that the justice department right now is in court defending. it's going to be a sharp right turn from this attorney general. i've got to tell you, this vote for jeff sessions yesterday, 52-47, with only one democrat supporting him, it's kind of a reflection of the times we're in, these highly politicized times. and also what this job has become. the last couple of attorney generals have ended up in hot water in different controversy, political controversy, even though this job is supposed to be above politics, and as jeff
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sessions has promised, he says he's not going to be a rubber stand for this white house. we'll see what kind of job he's going to be able to do. we know he's going to be very influential with donald trump. >> he will indeed, evan perez, thank you so much. sunlen, we appreciate the reporting. coming up, why the president's supreme court pick and the raid in yemen are both sparking a heated back and forth. shocked by your wireless bill every month? additional fees. tacked on taxes. come on! with t-mobile one, taxes and fees are now included! get 4 lines of unlimited lte data for 40 bucks each. that's right - all unlimited. all in! and now, for a limited time save
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a lot of confusion and questions this morning over judge neil gorsuch, the president's pick to join the supreme court. all this as his confirmation hearing has not even been scheduled yet. gorsuch, who is making his case
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to senators from both parties on capitol hill this week, told some republicans and some democrats that he finds the attacks on the judiciary and judges personally, quote, demoralizing and disheartening, of course alluding to attacks one would think the president made on the judiciary. >> now the president is also firing back at one of those lawmakers, democratic senator blumenthal from republican, saying he misrepresented gorsuch's comment. the senator says it's all true. the president is also arguing with senator john mccain over the raid in yemen that left a navy s.e.a.l. dead. joining us is senator john thune. >> thank you, john, and poppy, congratulations on the launch of the new show. >> thank you so much, you got the memo. one of your senators in the republican conference is under attack by the white house this morning. i'm talking about senator john mccain, the chairman of the
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armed services committee. president trump wrote this morning, "senator mccain should not be talking about the success or failure of a mission to the media, only emboldens the enemy. he's been losing so long he doesn't know how to win anymore." you're reaction to that, senator. >> well, look. i think the reaction to the mission, we lost a navy s.e.a.l., you can't call it 100% success any time that happens. but we did kill three al qaeda aqap operatives and gathered some very valuable intelligence. i think you could characterize it at least as a mixed bag and somewhat of a success. it shows how difficult these counterterrorism missions are. and hopefully we'll learn some lessons from this and be able to improve on our tactics for the next confrontation. with respect to the conversation that's going on about that, look, i think these are both people who have strong views, and i think that the president and senator mccain obviously have different conclusions about
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what happened here. but i think the important thing is that we focus on the work of defending the country, making sure that we learn from this and do a better job next time. >> i think everyone in this country is all for a heated and spirited debate between people in the same party or opposing parties. however, it's the personal attacks i think that john and i are trying to ask you what your opinion is about that, because as you know, this is a president who as a candidate said that john mccain is not a war hero. now he's calling him someone who loses and going against him personally as well. is that something you're comfortable with as a sitting republican? >> john mccain is a hero. and a united states senator who speaks his mind and somebody that we all listen to, particularly when it comes to national security matters. so yeah, i don't think -- it's probably not advisable for this line of discussion or that conversation to be going on publicly. i think the important thing is that there are things that we all agree on, things that we want to get done for the good of the country.
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and at some point the president is going to need senators, every republican senator, because we only have a 52-vote majority here in the united states senate, in order to accomplish this agenda. so i hope everybody can kind of dial it down a bit and keep focused on the things that unite us and that's really getting the economy growing again, creating better paying jobs, lessening the regulatory burden on businesses in this country, and looking at ways that we can strengthen our national security and keep americans safe in what is an increasingly dangerous world. >> and senator, i'm sure you want to get judge gorsuch confirmed as a supreme court justice, you've said he's a justice who calls balls and strikes. you also said some of the president's recent comments are off the plate in terms of balls and strikes. i wonder if you agree with hjude gorsuch, that president trump's recent comments about the judiciary are disheartening.
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>> those comments indicate that this is an independent judge and why it's important that we go about the process of confirming him. he clearly is somebody who has great respect for the court, great respect for the rule of law, someone who is universally respected on both sides of the aisle and has issued opinions as a judge on the tenth circuit that have drawn not only a lot of attention but a lot of praise. this is somebody who ought to be able to go through a process, get fair consideration, obviously answer hard questions, but at the end of the day get an up and down vote. the statements he's making demonstrate to me his independence and his ability to judge with impartiality and to call balls and strikes, which i think is what most americans look for when they think about the supreme court. >> some also see, senator, judge gorsuch's willingness to go into these meetings with republicans and democrats, lawmakers this week, alluding to the president's comments and calling them disheartening, they see
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that as a smart political tactic to get the eight democrats he needs to get to 60 votes he needs in the senate for confirmation, but some are criticizing the fact that he's not willing to come out and a that publicly. how do you see that? >> i think that he'll get that opportunity when he testifies in front of the judiciary committee here in the senate and goes through the confirmation process. he'll get lots of questions. i'm sure many questions perhaps on this very issue. so he'll have a chance to answer on the record most of these meetings that evaluated with members of congress. those meetings tend to be private, although this is something that got leaked to the public domain. again, what i think it represents, however, is in these meetings he's had with members of congress, republicans and democrats, he's been willing to express independence. that's something we're all looking for. when it comes to our judiciary,
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an independent judiciary is foundational to our success. i like the fact that the judge is speaking his mind. >> one thing i found interesting, if you have a moment, when he was questioned about the senate in 2006, being questioned by senator lindsey graham for his tenth circuit nomination, he was asked by lindsey graham, the best you can, describe what you think an ideologue would be and why that would be bad. he said, someone who is not willing to listen with an open mind and someone who is willing to disregard those things. it was interesting to hear those words from him in contrast to what the president said this week, yesterday, about the ninth circuit and going in the wrong direction, and that a high school graduate could decide this. how do you see it? >> again, i think the reason that he got overwhelmingly and unanimously confirmed when he
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was up for the tenth circuit a decade ago is for that very reason, people saw in him the qualities they want to see in members of the bench. the decision that is percolating now through the courts in the ninth circuit, the ninth circuit has been overturned by the supremes about 90% of the time. but i think that, you know, the courts and all the around the country, we know where the left of center courts, are right of center courts are. they have a job to do, and it's a job that is necessary, and our system of checks and balances, we have to respect that role. and i think judge gorsuch does, which is why, again, i think he's getting reviews on both sides of the aisle up here, as someone who will be an independent, impartial judge, and ultimately somebody who i hope will benefit from an up and down vote and be confirmed to the supreme court. >> senator john thune, thank you so much, we appreciate it. >> thanks, guys, great to be with you. >> we'll be right back.
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travel ban and the court fight about it right now, one group is throwing a protest instead of a party. instead of hosting their annual grammys party, the united talent agency or uta is holding a rally and donating $250,000 to the aclu and the international rescue committee. >> this is taking place outside the grammys. inside the show, top artists will be facing off. here is stephanie elam with a preview. ♪ from the other side >> reporter: from adele to beyonce. the grammy awards honor the biggest names in music and 2017 is no exception. >> this is the vatican, sort of, of the music business and music entertainment. there really isn't any bigger award to win. >> reporter: beyonce wins the charge with nine nominations, including song of the year, record of the year, and the
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night's most competitive prize, album of the year. the singer's latest collection, "lemonade," faces off against adele's "25." >> it seems like it will be a face-off between adele and beyonce but all bets are off. >> reporter: the grammys are known for creating household names. kelsey balarini, the chainsmokers, mayorrilyn morris may become the evening's major success stories. >> there's any number of artists who can have a big night and enjoy a big bump in sales, in attention, in strength, due to their performance. >> reporter: awards aren't the only thing on deck at the grammys. expect some big collaborations. lady gaga with metallic can an and the weekend with daft punk are a few of the duets set to hit the stage. late night host james cordon
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will handle emcee duties. >> with james cordon you're getting more of what billy crystal was to the oscars or at least potentially that, because he can sing and dance and he's a comedian. >> reporter: expect enough music and mayhem to uphold the grammy's expectation as music's biggest night. stephanie elam, cnn, hollywood. >> stephanie, thank you. are you as excited for this sunday night and the grammys as you were for last sunday night and the pats? >> take a guess how many of the songs nominated i've heard before. >> none. >> zero. >> because you listen to bob marley or classical music. >> not nominated this year for a grammy. usually the songs are like a year and a half old. i never understand the grammys. >> yesterday we ended the show, they're still looking for brady's jersey and andy scholes thought that's why you had the day off. >> i was running away. >> running in central park with it. thank you for joining us
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this morning. >> "at this hour with kate bolduan" begins right now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, i'm kate bolduan. as the world waits for the imminent ruling on president trump's travel ban, any moment the president will swear in his new attorney general, now former alabama senator jeff sessions. in a bruising nomination battle, senator elizabeth warren called him a rhacist and was silenced n the senate floor. any moment now, democrat chuck assumer and other democrats are expected to take the microphone to take on another of president trump's

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