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filing a brand new order. >> battle not over yet but go to the supreme court? that's a question. and awkward, the cringeworthy handshake between president and japanese prime minister. moment that might be too honest for his own good. cnn has learned new information about the ongoing investigation into allegations raised in collection of memos created by former british intelligence officer for political opponents of then candidate donald trump, jim sciutto and perez been working on it for us. what have investigators learned? >> for the first time telling cnn they've corroborated some of the communications detailed in the dossier compiled by the former mi 6 agent. cnn was first to report last month that then president-elect
donald trump and president barack obama were briefed on the material. then said none of the content or allegations verified. now multiple officials tell cnn that intelligence intercepts of foreign nationals confirmed that some of the conversations described in the dossier took place between the same individuals on the same days and from the same locations as detailed in the dossier. should be clear that cnn does not confirm the content of the calls or whether any of it relates to then candidate trump and none of the information relates to the salacious allegations in the dossier. corroboration is based on the intercepted communications and giving them greater confidence in the credibility of some aspects of the dossier as they continue to activity investigate
these documents. sean spicer said following today. we continue to be disgusted by cnn's fake news reporting. also reached out to fbi, cia, director of national -- and had no comment. >> interesting. what are they corroborating? >> the investigators first looking at dossier were trying to see whether there was any truth to the allegations that the russians were seek compromising information on president donald trump. to start, investigators looked at information that they could verify, essentially to give them a sense of the credibility of the author, who was already someone they were familiar with and had credible sources. dossier details about a dozen conversations between senior russian officials and other russian individuals. that was one starting point. one thing the u.s. already has
is a collection of foreign call intercepts. so they used that information to seek the verify some of the alleged conversations described in the dossier. intelligence officials emphasize that the conversations they've now verified solely between foreign nationals including those in or tied to russian government and intercepted in routine intelligence gathering. some of the individuals involved in the communications were known to the u.s. intelligence community as being heavily involved in collecting information that was damaging to hillary clinton and helpful to donald trump. now sources who talked to us would not confirm which specific conversations were intercepted or the content of those discussions do to the classified nature of the u.s. intelligence collection programs. >> another question. while the sources say there's confirmation of some of the
conversations, there's still a lot they can't verify as being true. >> no question. and we were clear from the beginning in reporting what is corroborated and what isn't. said haven't corroborated more salacious things. and cnn has not reported any of those. however when we first reported the story u.s. intelligence and law enforcement officials told us couldn't verify any parts of the memos. now saying they have corroborated some of the communications. none of the individuals would comment or confirm that they have proof of the meetings between russian officials and -- this is key -- u.s. citizens, including associates of donald trump. they have not yet reached any judgment on whether the russian government has any compromising information about the president. president trump and his staff as you know have repeatedly
dismissed entire dossier in their words as phony. >> bring evan back in. white house just reached out to you again. what did they say? >> oh, they did. sean spicer did call us back to emphasize his extreme displeasure with this story. it's about time cnn focus on the success president trump has had with jobs, strengthening with japan and other nations. president trump won the election because of his vision and responsibility to the nation. >> i'm not sure what that has to do with this reporting but glad he called you back. new information about the travel ban. president now saying may revise or write entire now executive order. what else? >> the president came back to the press cabin on the air force
one with the first lady melania trump. her first flight. asked him a bunch of questions. he stressed he believed administration would ultimately be successful in any court fight over the ban but said that could take a while so there are a lot of other options. here is more of what he had to say. >> we'll win that battle. unfortunate part is it takes time. we'll win that balt. but we also have a lot of other options including filing a brand new order on monday. could very well be but i like to surprise. we need speed for reasons of security. so could very well be that with he we do that. >> he later said could be monday or tuesday but also heard him say he likes to make it a surprise. didn't commit to either. asked what he might change about any new or revised executive order, he said very little.
don? >> so athena after the president tweeted see you in court, it's possible the trump administration may not appeal this decision? >> that's right. as you know, covering any white house is a team effort. my colleagues back at white house, jeff zeleny and jim acosta are reporting that administration is keeping options open. talked to official who said reviewing options in the court system and confident we'll prevail on the merits of the case but doesn't appear that's going to happen quickly. and more news on that front today. heard from the ninth circuit court of appeals that gave the ruling last night, that halted this immigration ban. they have asked for both parties to file briefs by next thursday to discuss whether they want to have this case reheard en banc, by a larger number of members of the court. it's not at all clear that majority of the 25 active judges
on that court will agree to rehear the case but yet another wrinkle and question mark about the next steps legally speaking in the court for this executive order, this travel ban. >> indeed. evan perez you've been reporting on another big story for the trump administration and national security advisor michael flynn and russian ambassador. what are you hearing? >> don this is one of the strangest parts of the last few weeks. this phone call that michael flynn had with the russian ambassador around the end of december. we now know part of what flynn discussed with the russian ambassador was sanctions, whether or not they could be removed. which is an interest obviously for the russian government. we don't know exactly what michael flynn said. it is something that drew attention of the fbi and u.s. intelligence community because they were listening in on that
conversation as they routinely do for russian diplomats here in washington. interesting part of this is the fact that michael flynn has said he never discussed sanctions, simply christmas greetings and condolences for a plane crash that killed russian military members and setting up a phone call meeting with donald trump and vladimir putin. so he had previously said this never occurred, this is information that vice president pence and sean spicer had gone out public with. and it turns out that he did discuss sanctions with the russian ambassador. obviously very embarrassing for michael flynn. heard from the white house the president did not know this occurred. people at white house are upset this occurred and didn't know about it. >> and embarrassing for the vice president who went out and may
have said otherwise. >> this took place before president trump took offense, make it illegal and highly inappropriate. flynn denied this happened. could he lose his job over this? >> it's unclear at this point and even the legal questions are unclear. comes into play, the logan act, dates back to the 1700s, the founding of the nation and not been prosecuted more than a couple of times in history, partly because a lot of u.s. officials speak to other foreign officials. it's a difficult thing to define there. but other questions short of that, one of which is lying about it. right? two, the issues of credibility, not legal but credibility to the vice president, because it appears he did not give accurate portrayal of the comments to the vice president or to the public. and this would then be contradicted by what presumably
u.s. intelligence has transcripts of the conversations because were conversations naturally intercepted not because of michael flynn but russian ambassador on the other end of the call. highly irresponsible, general flynn would know those conversations would be intercepted. there are a lot of damaging and bad results for michael flynn well short of illegal activity here. >> athena jones, ask you this. you've been traveling with the president. had a very busy week and day as well. hearing tonight that president trump went after senator elizabeth warren in a meeting with senators this week. what did he say? >> this is a conversation that some sources described as bizarre and awkward. a meeting of bipartisan group of senators ostensibly to discuss the supreme court nomination
process and president trump according to several sources, phil mattington and todd barrett went into a question about the state of the democratic party and called elizabeth warren p k pocahantas, a nickname he gave her during the campaign. apparently said this several times in the discussion with senators, appeared to be referring to the fact she was shut down on the senate floor when tried to read the letter from the coretta scott king for the nomination of jeff sessions. shut down using obscure rule. seem to have prompted his remarks but apparently said pocahantas referring to elizabeth warren is the face of the democratic party and went on to say something about how she claimed native american heritage because she has high cheekbones.
rather odd comments don. >> and sources also say the president also brought up voter fraud at meeting with senators. what prompted that? >> this is a whole new allegation of voter fraud. make that clear. apparently what prompted that is cording to colleagues is presence of former new hampshire senator kelly ayotte who is helping shepherd through the nomination of neil gorsuch to be on the supreme court. he was talking about how thousands of people were bussed from massachusetts to new hampshire to vote illegally in that state, a state that he lost. these are unsubstantiated, unfounded claims. must make clear. altogether additional new claims to the ones he made i don't know how many days ago it was now, talked about three to five million illegal votes costing him the popular voechlt
continues to discuss these issues of so-called voter fraud he's claiming that there's absolutely no proof for. don. >> thank you all. what can you say? i appreciate it. come back, the handshake that went on and on and on. and on. >> [ inaudible ]. >> all right thank you. >> thank everybody. adios, honey, hasta la vista, baby. (sing-songy) fat guy in a little coat. that rug really tied the room together.
the president tonight hinting he may issue a new executive order on travel to the u.s. and a source telling cnn the white house is not planning to immediately appeal the travel ban decision to the supreme court. here to discuss is nicholas kristof, thanks for joining us. big news story of the week, legal fight over president trump's travel ban. heerg today that the white house is looking at ways to take a mulligan on this, rewrite the order to pass muster in court. do you think it's the best approach here? >> i would prefer they just back away from this entire approach rather than trying to water down the ban in some way, but it is at least better than trying to
challenge the judiciary and overreach which is what they have been doing. >> if they start from scratch and walk away from the legal case, the white house won't have to go through discovery and disclose what went on as the order was written. wouldn't you want to know how it came together? >> yes. but main thing i wish for is no longer ban refugees trying to come to this country and now stuck in somalia or kenya and no longer break up families and cancel tens of thousands of vees saz of people, including thousands of doctors working in remote communities around the u.s. i'm a little more focused on the fund mental injustice about what is going on, less about uncovering the process of what i think was a farce. >> another big story i want to
talk about, it's a little bit lengthy. more news about the possible collusion between the trump team and russia. reporting that u.s. investigators have corroborated aspects of the dossier on donald trump and reports that michael flynn privately discussed sanctions with the russian ambassador, president trump having a bad week. bad time to deal with this news. is someone on his team leaking all of this? if you believe so, why would they do it? >> the trump administration is a seive for leaks because many groups around trump who want to discredit the others, also a lot of professionals in government who deplore what they're asked to do and what they see around
them. but more broadly, this russia angle is not going away. i found the cnn story today absolutely fascinating. there are a lot of investigations going on of that russia connection. and the important part is not the salacious stuff that got the most attention, it's the idea that the trump campaign was colluding with russia to interfere with the american election. if that turns out to have some credibility, that is enormously important and will have far-reaching consequences and lot of people in this country and abroad digging at precisely that question. >> should say allegedly colluding. if true would be -- >> on "face the nation" in
january. watch this. >> they did not discuss anything having to do with the united states decision to dispel diplomats or impose censure against russ russia. >> did not have a discussion conteam rainious. >> said vice president pence only knew what flynn told him. is vice president throwing the general under the bus? >> in my experience, vice president pence, i have some confidence he is telling the truth. much less confidence in mike flynn. i think we don't know exactly what happened but mike flynn himself seems to have misled just about everybody about what was going on. that's the critical issue more than the possible violation of
the logan act, the law. one question is what he was doing discussing the possible easing of sanctions before he even took office with russia and more fundamental one, at end of the day, the white house said things that were flatly false about his interactions with the russian ambassador, and when a white house does that, not just flynn who loses credibility but entire united states of america. >> talk about his first big meeting with foreign leader, shinzo abe had upbeat white house visit today with president trump. first hugs and 20 second handshake, a new bromance for the president? >> poor prime minister abe from that handshake, probably still recovering. impair his golf game tomorrow. it's a little weird.
prime minister abe wanted to be respected by trump and got some of that but artificial feel to it and compounded when president trump tweeted warmly about him but getting his name wrong. >> okay. so this -- i want to ask you about something. here's the tweet you're talking about. writes prime minister shinzo, should be prime minister abe. it's not that important for me. >> if you're going to put out a warm tweet about your close relationship with the prime minister of allied country, it's important to get that person's name right. it really is. >> okay. for you. maybe i don't put as much stock in his tweets as most do. but thanks.
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president wrapping up what you'd have to call a difficult week for his administration. discuss now with carl bernstein, krifrtin seoul stis anderson. jack kingston, and cnn's contributor j.d. vance, author of "hillbilly elegy." it's been a rough week for team trump. travel ban smacked down by ninth circuit, adviser under scrutiny for trying to defend him and make up -- and russians. how do you think it's going? >> if you're going to do things in washington get pushback,
betsy devos confirmnd add -- left so upset won't let devos go to high school in washington, d.c. radical silliness. and tom price, beginning of the end of obamacare, i think a great week. continuing to reach out to heads of industry, heads of state and union members and i think the democrats are just showing only thing they have as alternative is we have donald. that's not a policy. not you by the way. they do not like president trump. that's not policy. they need to be saying here's alternatives besides obstructionism. but the democrat party continues to dig a hole for sthfl. >> i'm not democrat. i knew you didn't mean me. crux of my question, liberals are upset about this presidency, you're right before that. but to my question, his travel
ban smacked down, senior adviser and press secretary under scrutiny for making up lies and trying to defend him and national security adviser caught up in allegations of -- with the russian. democrats didn't do that. >> it's the nutty ninth, one circuit in america where 80% of its rulings have been overturned because so ridiculous. >> i lost the audio. >> that was somebody else. go on. >> ninth circuit, 80% of their decisions are reversed. what they said is we need more time, let state remain in place until we have time to review this further. >> and on the other issues? >> i think on the latest with the flynn story, going to have to see. it's a leak and i think the press should be covering what sleaze bag in the white house is
leaking stuff on national security? to me that's the biggest story out there. content of what general flynn said, i think would be good to know rather than just persecute the guy. he was talking to the ambassador about christmas holidays, talking to him about plane crash in russia and in passing probably likely that something came up about the sanctions. and what general flynn could have said, we'll look at that. but wasn't a statement of policy. remember he was private citizen at the time. >> yeah. i want to get -- it's so important because now he's national security adviser. bring in the other panelists. i think you're right this white house is leaky. carl do you disagree with what the representative just said. >> with all due respect, there's a lot of kool-aid drinking going on. it's possible to look at this
presidency and all presidencies in a factual measured way, look at facts rather than a blind defense of things that are indefensible in some cases. let's look at what's happened here. it has been a very bad week for the president, in terms of his key initiatives, now the courts have dealt with them. at the same time, jack is right, he's gotten through his nominees. no question about that. he's done something very interesting in terms of he's told his secretary of state he can't have his choice for deputy secretary in terms of elliott abrams, a neoconservative who opposed trump's own presidency and helped give us iraq war. lot of interesting stuff going on. if you look at it without drink kool-aid, across the board factually, then we can start to parse what is really happening.
what has really happened this week that's so remarkable is the continued lying by those around the president of the united states, the kind of fantasy we just heard from the president himself about now bussing people across state lines to -- back to birther days. where is this coming from? there's a lot of very strange stuff going on and that's a real part of the story. >> carl is asking people to be objective and look through -- that's tough when the country is so polarized right now. i'm sure many, not all of his supporters, will say he's had a great couple of weeks but objectively, a lot of missteps. it's hard for people to do that in this environment. >> it is. any unbiased observer would say at very least been chaotic. but at the same time lot of his core voters sent donald trump to
washington to break it, reform the system. lot of the controversies that seem chaotic if you follow the day-to-day news cycle actually look like evidence of a president getting pushback for intense reforms. >> but they didn't send him his surrogates and national security adviser to possibly -- or wrongdoing -- didn't send him to lie and tell falsehoods and make things up. >> absolutely not. if it turns out to be the case that general flynn did tell a lot of falsehoods, going to definitely affect at least general flynn and probably president trump too. but a lot of the day-to-day controversies that we see and say things are bad, lot of his core voters either not paying attention to the date-to-day or look at it and say that's what we expect if people in
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and promised kristen soltis anderson to get the first word. president's supporters have stuck by him. question is wondering if continue to do that. they bring the president, voted for him to go to washington and stir things up and make changes but i don't think they voted for him and people who surround him to make stories out or flat-out lie. >> bear in mind not all people who voted for donald trump voted for him for the same reasons or like him period. plenty of people in the last election voted for donald trump but didn't necessarily love him. liked him slightly better than hillary clinton. some folks are diehards, love this president and fact they're going to turn on the tv and see raids happening in cities across the country where undocumented immigrants are getting rounded up. love that. love when he takes on the media and seems like fighter.
but other folks voted for him thinking when he gets into office maybe then he'll be presidential and stop with the tweeting and bring all that business experience and run things effectively. and donald trump is learning over the last couple of weeks that it's hard to run the american government the way you would run a business. friction is leading to things coming down in some cases sloppy like with the executive order around the travel ban where had the administration taken an extra day or two to inform agencies and draft it more carefully might not be in the legal battle we're in. lot of people voted for him, saw him on t"the apprentice" and thought he was good leader. if he's doing things that would get you fired from that show, not going to --
>> protesters swarming town halls, taking to the streets and plainly showing they're not happy with the administration. should the president and administration be concerned about that? >> i think she should be a little bit concerned about it, there are shades of early 2009 here and what happened with a lot of the tea party protests. when we learned over the past eight years, whether you agreed with the tea party or not, very effective political opposition to president obama. and somebody like president trump who wants to fundamentally reform washington, can't govern effectively with a 43% approval rating. i think worried about these protests and what those portend. >> you had the women's march, protests around the country at travel ban and upset at town halls. powerful showing. question is will it last.
is it a moment or a movement? what is it? >> think it's becoming clear we're seeing a movement on a scale we haven't seen since antiwar movement in the vietnam era. there is a huge number of people in this country really ex-ore sized at this president and his presidency. one of the things we've missed in that discussion, since january 20th we've seen an exhibition of donald trump's character, his ignorance on so many subjects, of his temperament that's got republicans in congress talking among themselves in terms of his stability and emotional maturity and whether he's really fit to be the president of the united states. we're in places where we have not been before and i don't think we expected to be there
even in a trump presidency in terms of the upheaval. and when j.d. talks about he came here to stir things up and break the crockery, all of which is true, i'm not sure that most of the people in this country are going to go along with a message that is simply breaking things without creating something that all americans can take some kind of pride in. and it will make our country stronger and better. >> yeah. but i think except for a select few of republican lawmakers, no one is going to say anything publicly because they basically can drive their agenda through and donald trump, this president, is their vehicle. not going come out against him. >> that's true so far. but can be a breaking point. >> the remembers that i've talked to are absolutely not that way at all. they're very excited, saying this town has needed an uber to come in and shake things up,
stop nertia of the status quo. >> making my point, agree with you they're saying that. may say that in private but publicly never say that. they like having this president. >> they like that donald trump has won. feel very enthusiastic and have vigor about them. betsy devos was protested philosophically. that's okay thing, because she believes that parents should be in charge of education in local schools rather than the teachers union. that's okay. democrats protest tom price because he believes you and your daughters should be in charge of health care and not the federal government. that's a good thing. difference between the parties. not seeing from the democrats solutions, they can get a crowd and protest anything, it's flashdance. >> i want to give kristen the last word. >> of the republicans in
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big weekend for the president and first lady at winter white house. here to discuss, emily jane fox, and david gergen. thanks for joining. emily you first. president and first lady entertaining japan's prime minister and his wife at mar-a-largo. seeing melania trump on display for the first time as first lady. here an air force one and at dinner this evening. what stands out to you? >> this is the first time saw the prime minister and first
lady of japan. not there the first couple of days in washington as most first ladies typically are. seeing in practice the fact the first lady not living alongside her husband. been clear since day one wanted to stay in new york with barron so he could finish his school year as normal and watching ramifications of that. greater point is seeing for the first time this is very different first couple. gotten to witness that up close and personal with donald trump and now seeing it play out with melania. >> it's considered traditional that first lady accompanies spouse of visiting foreign lady in washington. but first lady on her own a little bit, released a statement. first lady looking forward to welcoming abe to the white house
but told had other commitments. flew to air force base to meet the president, prime minister and mrs. abe to fly with them. first opportunity to spend time with the first lady. all will be together for the weekend at mar-a-largo and have a full itinerary. i don't see it as big deal. what do you make of this? >> i don't think it's a big deal mrs. obama, michelle obama was gracious and welcoming to mrs. abe before and escorted her around washington and laura bush exceptionally gracious hostess when first ladies from other countries came but in this case given the statement from the white house, give them benefit of the doubt. also she said was going to stay in new york until son finishes school year. see what happens after that. if she comes down to washington
i'm sure she'll be welcomed. spending precious little time with her husband as result of this. he has some lonely nights it appears. by himself there tweeting away. i think in terms of mrs. abe, think melania trump deserves the benefit of the doubt. >> i agree. maybe should be there just to hide his phone but otherwise not political animal. has to deal with her son and family issues. i don't fault her, i don't see the big deal. >> don, the bigger issue and more interesting story is around jared kushner who accompanied ivanka trump with the president and mrs. trump and abes to mar-a-largo. he's playing a very interesting behind-the-scenes roll internationally that i think is quite remarkable. >> let's talk about that. ivanka trump and jared with the president and first lady in mar-a-largo for the weekend.
usually away from president trump on the weekend. here's "snl"'s take of this. >> one more thing, you know i love my daughter ivanka and her husband jared. they always keep me so calm and make sure i don't do anything too crazy. >> that's true sir. >> are they gone? >> they don't work on shabbat. >> when the jews are away, play. send in steve bannon. >> will be with the president and first lady in mar-a-largo but been in washington, d.c. the last couple of weeks as well. just because observe shabbat didn't mean not close by, just don't work on it and not different this weekend. ivanka had a tricky week where her father dragged her into the nordstrom's mess.
not something they wanted. voluntarily stepped down from the company when didn't have to, playing no formal role in the administration and her father was deeply bruised from nordstrom pulling back from her brand and decided to tweet about that. he dragged her into a mess she tried to drag herself out of. i think maybe needs downtime in mar-a-largo. >> my whole point this week. not a 12-year-old but accomplished woman. >> moved to d.c. to deal -- and problematic. >> i want to go back to jared for a minute. interesting story out in the "philadelphia inquirer," vivid moment when jared brings mexican foreign minister into the oval office to calm down donald trump
about mexico and moderate the statement he's about to make about building a wall. things blew up later in the day. but nonetheless jared has become informal ambassador to -- been in contact with no less than two dozen countries, talking to ambassador, helping select american ambassadors for the middle east. remarkable role for a white house adviser to play. if you're secretary of state, you like to control those things, comes up through there and state department. that's where diplomacy is conducted. i think be tense moments ahead. >> even though jared did broker the meeting, i reported on it a week and a half ago. but that blew up in his face because donald trump decided to tweet the next morning. even though has relationship with dozens of leaders, doesn't
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