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>> and continuing into the transition, still others are investigating those contacts and all of it is producing one unwelcome headline after the other for a white house three days ago was enjoying grereat reviews for the president's address to congress. all that and more. we have more on the focus of attorney general jeff sessions. >> what are the next steps? >> well, anderson, next step is that dana boente a 33 veteran is going to oversee they investigation the fbi is conducting into russia but there are other investigations takes place, namely the house intelligence committee and the senate intelligence committee. this comes as the nine democrats on the senate judiciary committee demand that jeff sessions come back before the committee and clarify his testimony, answer questions under oath, answer why he didn't disclose those meetings with the russian ambassador. this is something that chuck grassley said no, that is not
going to happen. i talked to one of those democrats on the committee, sheldon whitehouse of rhode island. he said sessions could library before the committee but he also may be a witness to the fbi investigation. take a listen. >> the only hesitation that i have about saying that he absolutely ought to come before the committee is that he is now a witness into any legitimate investigation about connections between the russian election-influenced operation and the trump campaign. so whatever the fbi's doing in this area, they now have him as an extremely logical witness to ask the same questions that we would want to ask in the committee. >> now it's interesting, anderson, yesterday the white house met with fbi director james kommy to talk about the issue of russia. so we'll see if he learned anything there, which is why he perhaps made those remarks today. i'm not quite sure about that. but anderson, other democrats on the judiciary committee requesting an inspector general
investigation into why jeff sessions recused himself. so perhaps another inquiry taking place on the issue of russia. >> could there be a special prosecutor? >> it will be a decision for the trump administration but democrats and congress whether to do it administratively or if they pass legislation in congress. right now we're not getting any sense that either the white house has any inkling to do this. and any desire to do this. certainly republican leaders don't seem eager to do that either. i asked paul ryan that specifically yesterday. he dismissed that notion. it sounds like this is not where they want to go at the moment. >> republicans could block an investigation from happen, could they? or at least a special prosecutor? >> at least a special prosecutor and they could certainly limit the scope of both the house and senate intelligence committee investigations. remember, in the house intelligence committee, you need bipartisan support to subpoena records and documents and if republicans don't want to give
support, perhaps that will not happen. on the senate side, democrats could subpoena themselves from the senate intelligence committee perhaps get those records, but to declassify some of that information, anderson, you're going to need support from the white house. the president has to sign off on what to declassify. it's unclear what the public will ultimately see. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> the story is playing out in russia, as well, of course. some of the language russians are using to describe it will sound familiar. matthew chance joins us now. any reaction from the russian government to these reports? s>> reporter: >> a lot of the language they're using is very similar to the language we're hearing coming out of washington, for example, witch hunt. it's what theussian media are saying is going on, as well and what sergey lavrov referred to
as being behind these investigations and allegation between the trump administration and russian officials. >> there's also a fake news website wit foreign russian foreign ministry set up and cnn is on the top of that website over the reports that the russian ambassador to the united states is engaged in espionage activities is something we've been reporting over the past couple of day, the foreign ministry saying this is a blatant informational provevation. the spokesperson was much more forthright and said stop cnn, stop spreading lies and false news which is obviously again a very familiar refrain to us. >> where does the diplomatic relationship with the u.s. and russia stand right now the? >> well, i mean, i think that from the kremlin point of view, it's a confusing picture.
they were expecting had donald trump to come into office with a pro-russian agenda. the kind of stuff that he had spoken about during his campaign about for instance, doing a deal over syria, doing a deal over ukraine. cooperating over international terrorism. but because the issue of russia and its connection with american politics has become so toxic in the united states, none of that has been followed through. and so now i think there's an understanding and the russian press go on about this a lot at the moment that donald trump is not going to be the sort of president who the american president who's sympathetic to the russian point of view, the idea that donald trump was going to transform the relationship between washington and moscow has now been swept to one side. and so i think the russians at the moment are looking to a future relationship which is going to be you know, probably tense certainly not as good as
they thought it would be when donald trump was elected. >> matthew chance. thks. reaction to the russian reaction from seth is lten. i spoke to him just before air time. >> congress, what do you make between the russian playback on all this? facility news? presumably that doesn't quash skepticism from those in congress pushing for more information. >> in fact, it's striking how similar the pushback is from the kremlin and the white house. that's obviously a cause for concern. but we need to know the facts. the american people deserve to know the facts. that's why we've got to continue to push for bipartisan independent investigation. >> you talk about independent investigation. i mean, republicans control congress. there's no indication they support a special select committee investigation. there's no indication at this point the justice department will appoint a special counsel. that leaves the fbi investigation, the house and senate intelligence committee investigations as the official inquiries into all of this.
do you have confidence in them? >> i have concerns. look, because republicans control the house and senate intel committees, these things can be political. in fact, chairman devin noons, the chairman of the house intelligence committee was called upon by the white house to make calls to the press to try to make this fbi story go away. obviously, this has a potential to be political. on top of that, if this investigation is just relegated to the intelligence committees, then a lot of their findings will be classified and the american people will never know. we deserve to know the truth. we need director comey to come clean with the american people. we need to know if the fbi is investigating the president of the united states. >> do you have confidence in the fbi? >> look, i don't have any reason not to have confidence in the fbi at this point. but there is some concern in congress. there's definitely some concern in congress that some of the director comey's actions have been partisan in nature. obviously, people have in mind
the history of an fbi that hasn't always been above partisan politics. we need director comey to come clean and need to know the truth. everybody deserves to know whether the president of the united states is under investigation. >> you know, do you ge t president's allies any sck insofar as there home runalid reasons to be meeting with representatives of foreign governments talking with the russian ambassador is not automatically wrong, correct. >> sure, but you're not allowed to lie about it. you're certainly not allowed to lie about it when you're under oath in a senate committee. when the attorney general of the countries lies under oath, he's the top law enforcement agent in the country. if we can't trust him to tell the truth under oath, then who are we to trust? >> so you don't buy it when he says look, i just wasn't thinking about that meeting had anything to do with my capacity as spokesperson? >> that's absolutely ridiculous. the number one story with all of trump's nominees has been their connections with russia.
that would be the first thing that a nominee thinks about when he comes before a senate committee. so the idea that he hadn't thought of that is ridiculous. he's not fooling anyone. i think the attorney general should resign. but even beyond that, we just need to know the truth about what's going on and how far, how high this conspiracy goes in the administration. >> you really think it's a conspiracy? >> i just don't know what the other answer would be. i mean, why are all these people, including the attorney general of the united states lying under oath in his case? if these were just innocent meetings, if these were meetings in the regular course of business, why didn't they come clean about them from the beg beginning. >> appreciate your time. thank you. a lot to talk about maggie haberman, jack kingston, jonathan and carl bern teen. kirsten, that is the question. and again, there's no evidence everything could be, there could be nothing untoward about any of these conversations. why not come clean from the get go go?
i guess one argument is clearly donald trump has perceived this as some attempt to delegitimize his election. >> definitely. i think it's true usually the best explanation for something that happens in washington is incompetent and not a conspiracy. that tends to bear out. that doesn't mean there wasn't a conspiracy here. it's possible it was incompetence that people didn't disclose information they should have. it's also possible jeff sessions really did misunderstand the question. why he didn't clarify it, that's where we get into the incompetent area. we don't have enough information to say he perjured himself at this point. that does go to intent. we don't know what he was thinking. i think it raises a lot of questions. we already have a lot of questions that need to be answered which is why we need a public investigation and if i was donald trump, i would want to put this to rest. right? because we have all these questions now. if they have nothing to hide, why not just have an
investigation where we can get everything out in the open and figure out happened. >> paris what, about that? why not just somebody in the white house kind of just put out a timeline of these people met and it was a five-minute meeting, ten seconds, whatever it is. >> that might be a good idea. i believe the trump administration believes that the russians did not play a role in getting him elected because when you look at the situation that was going on in our country, the russians while they may have hacked e-mails and things like that, they did not create this illegalmmigration problem, they didn't have the roo rising health care premiums, they didn't create account rising student loans debts. >> there's a distinction between whether or not they impacted the results of the election and whether they attempted to involve themselves in the election which the intelligence community clearly believes they did. >> right, i believe that back to the point that kiersten made, is this media attention a way to detract from the fact that the
donald trump won the election fair and square and he's a legitimate president. these are twos different questions. i think the american people are trying to get answers to. >> that's clearly the white house view that this is part of a democrats can't accept the fact they lost. >> fair enough. if they want to think that, but most of the information isn't coming from democrats. it's coming from the intelligence community. >> the allegation now is that it's obama holdovers or the deep sate or in the case of carter page. >> that's farfetched. paris, if you're donald trump, don't you want to clear your name? if there isn't anything that you've done? >> he's trying to clear his name from being a racist from, being a bigot from, being a russian enthusiast. >> it's going to be hard. >> he's doing a lot of things for the black community which i don't know the about. >> you mean the fact he wants to deport people? if you want to argue that, you don't want to go down that road. stick with this. >> let's go back to the fact he had over 70hbc presidents in the
oval office. >> let's talk about the fact he basically ran an entire campaign based on bigotry and racism. >> if you want to debate that -- >> i want to make a couple points. i talked to peter king yesterday. i talked to jason cha vets yesterday. jason was one of the ones who early in the day said that sessions should recuse himself but he also was saying the intel committee is looking at this stuff. and then the house oversight committee is, as well. they're not worried about anything. i actually really do believe that there's no there there. i think that's how most people who are close to it and following it are. i think there's a hell of a lot of politics involved in it. i think the interesting things to me is while the democrats are scrambling about russia, i think they want a mulligan because for eight years, russia wasn't relevant for them except to have a reset. while they're doing that, republicans are moving ahead with health care reform, moving ahead with education choice.
moving ahead with tax reform, moving ahead reaching out to unions and things like that. the democrats are taking their eye off the ball one more time on what's relevant to the american people. >> what i said before in the last hour, two things donald trump could do is he could declassify all the conversations he should agree to i a special prosecutor. you're right. i'm concerned what the democratic party is doing in terms of sucking up the oxygen. next week you're going to try to repeal health care. all the other issues that the trump administration is unwinding the society that we're trying to build from my point of view. >> it's also interesting carl bernstein, there is concern that the focus on what trump administration, what contacts there were, was it nefarious, was it not distracts from the idea of just focusing on what actually russia did to try to influence the election. >> that is what we need to get to the bottom of with an investigation, but that is by a
select committee or something like the 9/11 commission that is beyond the political realm that would get us out of this contraattempts between jack and the rest of the panel here all of us. we need to find out what happened with a foreign power trying to hijack our election according to all of the u.s. intelligence agencies. but beyond that, look, donald trump is the legitimate president of the united states because the electoral college certified his victory and elected him. let's get past that. but he ought to be the first person to say, i want the integrity of our electoral politics to be assured and we need to find out everything there is to know that occurred in this election that a foreign power did. and the fact that he is not doing that and the fact that his top aides have lied both general flynn and mr. sessions, indicates that yes, they are trying to cover something up. tell us what it is
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would break any confidences. it was fascinating. here's what he had to say about whether he thought russia had in fact hacked into the dnc during the campaign. >> can you really sit here and say you don't don't have any belief or you can't even imagine that moscow might do that. >> i don't imagine -- you know, i don't think about those things, anderson. >> you're telling me you spent a lot of time in russia and you don't think about what russian intelligence is capable of? you're telling me you don't carry a second phone when you go to moscow because you know they're going to hack into your phone? everybody who goes to moscow does that. do you do that. >> yeah, i do have a second phone. >> so you carry a second phone because you know russian intelligence is likely to hack into your phone. you can't imagine russian intelligence would hack into the dnc. >> i didn't say that. >> back now with the panel again. we'll put that whole interview
online. it is interesting the similar language we're hearing out of moscow and from the trump white house whether moscow is just picking up on the language they're using about witch hunts and false news. >> this has been a line that trump's critics have drawn for a while similarity on certain talking points. i don't know exactly what means as has been said here earlier in the night. this may be nothing. there has been nothing proved so far. what we have is the intelligence community has put out not with names to it in public but has put out word. although i think there was some testimony about this that they believe russia was behind the hacks. the rest of this is largely conjecture. if it stays at this low grade russia fever and no more details emerge, i suspect what happens is the president gets judges on if he can avoid swinging back at everything each day. then he gets judged on what he accomplishes and what he does in office. if there is more, then i think that becomes potentially
problematic. the thing for the president is as you know as somebody who's covered him, he is used to having control. he is used to having employees sign nondisclosure agreements and able to impose if not order some kind of stricture on his environment. he's now at the mercy of this leaky bureaucracy. that's dist for him. >> particularly for somebody from the private sector who everybody who worked for him signed a nondisclosure agreement. >> you have the situation with sean spicer asking be for their phones and then of course, that leaks. so i mean, they can't control these people. and so i think it has to be unneving. maggie is right. this is going to stop i guess when things stop getting leaked about the trump administration and their relationships. so we don't know when that's going to stop or if it's going to stop. >> to the point that jonathan raised about he's concerned that for democrats will kind of take their eye off other things
happening based on this. could it actually help the white house? >> i think it could. combining what maggie and jonathan have said, if it's just a low grade constant russia, that's not helping the people in middle america who need jobs, cheaper health care, better education and safer community. sooner or later the democratic party needs to address that and say we have a better idea. if another shoe doesn't fall, that'sly exact what's going to happen. in myfeeling, that probably is what's going to lap. >> one of the things that doesn't get mentioned we talk about the low grade russia, this reminds me of what happened during the soviet union where everything was the soviet union did it. there's almost olympic car think whipping up against russia. progressives and democrats are doing it, too. i'm worried about the long-term effect whether you try and de-escalate u.s.-russia tensions. that's not going to help
building any kind of relationship. >> we would always laugh when i was in congress, if you're having a town meeting and everybody's raising cane, bring up chooun. that seems to be now russia is the new whipping post. >> there are several things the democrat party could talk about which they're distracted. they could talk about things that are factual and obamacare and why it's important. they could talk about jobs. they can talk about unemployment and energy. they're not doing that. so they're going to hang their hat on something like you said that's highly speculative. there's no facts coming out. very dangerous. >> and on rebuilding the party. i was at the dnc meeting. all they talked about was russians. vladimir putin did not destroy the democratic party. >> the artery is being squeezed from both sides essentially. they don't really have a base in the mood for compromise with trump. their only option would be to go into the president and say here's an infrastructure bill. sign our bill.
this is what we would like to do and try to not necessarily call his bluff but get him to try to come to the table on their terms. they have a base that doesn't want any sense of compromise that is very upset for all of the reasons that jonathan was talking about but they are focusing all of it on russia. it is a very hard line to maintain especially when you have democratic officials meeting with the same ambassador into president trump says the investigation into his ties to russia are nothing, a witch hunt. we'll talk stock of what we know right now. is there smoke? is there fire? what is it? we'll take a look. ♪ don't just eat. ♪ mangia! bertolli. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count.
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president trump calls russia a ruse. moscow calls questions about contact with it false news. both sides have unanswered questions. i can president trump has said so many nice things about a geostrategic rival and america's primary adversary. >> i respect putin. he's a strong leader, i can tell you that. putin said trump is brilliant, run by a very smart cookie. much smarter than our president. putin called me a genius. if we could have a good relationship with russia, that would be a good thing, not a bad thing. if he says great things about me, i'm going to say great things about him. he is very much of a leader. i would treat vladimir putin firmly, but there's nothing i can think of that i'd rather do than have russia friendly as opposed to the way they are right now. >> just a small look back at some of the things donald trump has said.
more now from randi kaye. >> i have nothing to do with russia. to the best of my knowledge, n person that i de with does. >> reporter: that was president donald trump last month, brushing off any connection to russia, but since he made that statement, it's become clear that five of his advisers did, indeed, have contact with a russian. this man, the russian ambassador u.s. intelligence officials consider a top level spy. attorney general jeff sessions met wets ambassador sergey kislyak in july and september and is now having to explain why he didn't share that during his confirmation hearings. >> in pret retrospect, i should have slow the down and said, but i did meet one russian official a couple of times. that would be the ambassador. >> reporter: on the heels of that, more undisclosed meetings. this time at trump tower. that's where donald trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, jared kushner met with the russian ambassador in december.
also in that meeting, the former head of the nsa, michael flynn, who was fired for misleading the administration about his conversations with the ambassador. a senior administration official tells cnn kushner's meeting lasted about ten minutes and characterized it as an introductory meeting, an inconsequential hello. why does any of this matter? because at least some of those meetings with the russian ambassador occurred while the trump administration's relations with russia was under close scrutiny and despite push back from the white house there are still questions about whether or not russia influenced the u.s. presidential election. >> i think russia's involvement in activity has been investigated up and down. so the question becomes at some point, if there's nothing to investigate, what are you asking people to investigate. >> how many times do i have to answer this question? >> can you just say yes or no? >> i know you have to get up and ask a question, so important. russia is a ruse. i have nothing to do with russia. >> reporter: so what about that
growing list of private meetings with the russian ambassador? trump campaign national security j. dee gordon has disclosed that he too met with kislyak at the republican national convention in july. he emphasized there wasn't any inappropriate chatter with the russians to help the trump campaign. and there's more. he says two other national security advisers were also part of that meeting. walid phares and carter page. more meetings and more denials only leads to more questions. >> if putin likes donald trump, i consider that an asset, not a liability. >> reporter: randi kay, norfolk, virginia. >> joining us now, alexander verchbow, the former u.s. ambassador to nato. thank you for being with us. the allegations and connections between this administration and russia, what's your reaction? it does seem every week or so there's a new questions are raised, something else emerges,
and yet we don't really know if there is any there there. >> yeah. well, clearly the questions just keep mounting day by day. it's not because of meetings as such with the russian ambassador. that's a normal thing. i used to meet with the russian ambassador all the time, but it's why these things have been covered up and why there's so much defensiveness about it. it's raising more suspicions day by day. the big story is the fact that the russians hacked our election. that's where we need a thorough investigation. where the american people need to know all the facts. if there was complicit between the campaign and the russians, that would be quite explosive. right now we don't know the anything. it's all speculation but the suspicions continue to you mount up. >> what about the russian ambassador? you've known him i understand for 25 years. what can you tell us about him? >> he's a very impressive, professional diplomat.
he's a real arms control expert. we together negotiated some part of the nato russian founding act 20 years ago. he's a patriotic representative of his country. but he's known as a problem solver, more of a behind the scenes guy. i think all this publicity must have him a little bit rattled. but obviously, he runs an embassy which has a lot of people engaged in espionage. i don't think he is personally a spy, contrary to what you've been saying for the last couple of days. clearly the russian embassy must have had some connection to the efforts to undermine our democratic process during the election. so we need to find out the facts. >> there have been some no -- in intelligence who think he's one of their top spies, you think that's not true? >> ambassadors don't do the recruiting. they've got people that do that kind of dirty work. i've known him as a professional
interlock cue tore on a lot of different subjects. part of his job is to make contact with policymakers, with politicians. he was very good at that. but calling him a super spy i think may be a little much. >> given the time you spent in russia, would it surprise you if russia was attempting to hack into, into the election, attempting to influence? i mean, is this part -- is that sort of a long-standing -- i've read a lot lately. there's a great article in "the new yorker" about this. is this ray a long-standing patternen with russia and the former soviet union? >> well, yes and no. they have for years going back to soviet times practiced what they call officially active measures, which are designed to generate influence, to subvert hostile countries. to embarrass people with compromising material. there's honey traps, all these things are part of their tool kit.
i think what was different about the hacking of our election was the ambitiousness of what they tried to do, to not only steal the information from the democratic national committee but to you specifically tharth leaks after information at strategic moments through wikileaksings to try to influence the outcome of the election. and we have to understand how they did it, because they're trying the same thing right now with the french elections next month. angela merkel's up for reelection in september. this is something that threatens all of western societies. so we need to get to the bottom of it right away. >> would you like to see, if there's going to be investigations, it's fbi, house and senate intelligence communities, would you like to see a select committee? >> i think it would be better. i mean, i hope that the two intelligence committees will do a thorough job and will find some way to publicize their findings so it's not all classified.
but i think given the gravity of what the russians tried to do to our democratic system, i think a bipartisan select committee or a commission like the 9/11 commission would be fully appropriate. the stakes were just as high in this case as they were with respect to 9/11. >> i appreciate your time. thank you very much. coming up, there was lots of talk this week about president trump's calmer tone in his speech to congress. this was just two weeks ago. >> he said he was going to ask a very simple easy question. and it's not. it's not. not a simple question. not a fair question. sit down. i understand the rest of your question. (vo) a lifetime of your dog's nutritional needs... all in one. purina one.
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>> it's been another whirlwind of a week in the trump presidency. we're ending with russia revelations coming in at a breakneck speed. some thought it might be the dawn of a different president trump. he hadn't bashed the media for a few days. there hadn't been a full on early morning twitter rant and his speech to congress seemed to be an exercises in stick together teleprompter. >> a new national pride is sweeping across our nation and a new surge of optimism is placing impossible dreams firmly within our grasp. what we are witnessing today is the renewal of the american spirit. our allies will find that america is once again ready to lead.
>> compare that to the press conference he held two weeks ago. >> i won with news conference and probably speeches. i certainly didn't win by people listening to you people, that's for sure, but i'm having a good time. tomorrow they will say, donald trump rants and raves at the press. i'm not ranting and raving, i'm just telling you. you know, you're dishonest people. but i'm not ranting and raving. i love it. but tomorrow the headlines are going to be donald trump rants and raves. i'm not ranting and raving. >> those twos appearances were 1 days part. if there's anything we can count on the presidency, it may be you can't count on anything. joining us are two biographers. author of "the truth about trump and timothy o'brien, author of trump nation, the art of being the donald. this whole idea of a new president trump that we saw at the speech earlier in the week, do you see it lasting? i mean, is it even lasting now? >> no, i mean, i think, i think trump has handlers around him who are able to get him onto
certain tracks for certain performances, whether it's the state of the union address or a debate or whatever it might be. but over time, he always reverts to form, and the form he reverts to is someone who operates by the seat of his pants, very viscerally and often in a kind of high school playground bullying way. >> he can't help himself is what you're saying. >> he can't help himself. and we've known this about, we've talked about this on multiple occasions. he lacks a lot of self-control and discipline, both emotionally and intellectually that would keep him in check in the public sphere. >> it is kind of fascinating for all the criticism of the president using twitter and his sort of off the top of his head or impromptu remarks, we are given a window into the mind of a president of the united states, perhaps unlike any we've ever seen before, i mean, whether they're intentionally trying to be transparent or not,
which, you can argue they're not, this president is pretty transparent, because he cannot help himself, you know, it took hearing the nixon tapes to actually hear into like the inner workings of president nixon. we sort of get a running sense of what donald trump is thinking at any given time. >> well, we really do. and i think the nixon comparison is important, because donald's political thought was formed in the early 1970s, during the nixon years. i think he's seen embattled presidents in the past. and the lesson he took away from that was to be combative. and that is the authentic trump. he loves to fight. so he's not afraid to be seen fighting, and i think he reads his supporters as people who are going to be thrilled by this. >> it's interesting. he was asked earlier in the week, i think on fox and friends
about what sort of grade he'd give himself so far, and he gave himself very high marks on policies, but on communicating them he gave low marks, and there were a lot of people who said look, he's actually giving himself a low mark. he actually didn't give himself a low mark. seengszly giving his communications team a low mark. in that press conference he gave finally kind of an effort to ke control you know, of -- it's like he couldn't stand it any longer to have other people speaking for him. he needed to get out there directly talk to the media. >> it's a great insight because the one thing he has been true throughout his whole career around is he's had a singular set of messages that he's always stuck with throughout his career. and basically that he's excellent, he's infallible, he's unimaginably successful. he's worth billions of dollars, and he's a great deal maker. and there's a lot of hoo-ha behind all of that.
but he stays on message with it over time to the point whehave virtue of repeating it, it becomes vaelts. and what he's discovered, i think in washington and what he's discovered in his presidency is it's very hard to maintain control of a message when you're at center stage every minute of every day like he is. and he doesn't really support the people around him in terms of trying to help him have a more sophisticated message and so you're seeing him now throw sean spicer under the bus. i think spicer has had his own problems, but i don't think trump is suddenly becoming reflective and saying i could be a better communicator. what he's saying is the people around me are cropping the ball. >> thank you so much. just ahead, i'll talk about the new spiritual adventure series "believer." which debuts this weekend on cnn. it looks fascinating. episode one, reza tracks down a
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travels to india. at one point things sort of escalate. take a look. >> why are people on that side of the river so afraid? >> i see. >> this may have been a mistake. maybe we just like somebody distracts him, and i just leave. i can be polite. i can be very polite. >> now we know why it's called a spiritual adventure series. >> i was actually worried about you in this segment. why did he want to cut off your head? >> i was worried about me as
well. my mom hasn't seen this yet. i can't -- the phone call that's coming to me. he is a guru for the sect cal, hindu sect that's been around for 500 years. their concept is because they reject notions of purity and pollution, which is fundamentalfundamental to hinduism, they want to shock the system by self-polluting. they cover themselves in the ashes of the dead. that's what i've got all over me. they eat rotted bits of meat. they sometimes will eat corpses, what's left on the cremation things. all of this is to basically say there's no such thing as pollution. there's no such thing as pollution. it's all an illusion. >> joseph campbell, a lot of his writing was about sort of commonalities between various religious faiths. is that something you found in your travels? >> i've wanted to be joseph campbell ever since i was 14.
>> i camep with the idea of this show when i was like 16, 17 years old. >> is that right? >> i'm not kidding. it's like this is what i want to do. i think it's the same thing. i've learned in my studies and travels that while we all speak different religious languages, we're expressing the same faith. the sentiment behind it is the same. that's exactly what campbell was saying. he was saying all these myths, all these metaphors, they're essentially telling the same story over and over again. >> the return of the hero. >> exactly. that's what this show is about. what i'm trying to do by immersing myself in these different religions, religions that are ovften demonized and misunderstood is to say that even though this may look weird and skrarcary and frightening t you, when you really dig down deep what you find is similar. the mystics i was talking to aren't the only ones. i eventually find another guru
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thanks for watching. time to hand things over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. have a great weekend. president trump is at mar-a-lago, but his russia troubles have followed him there. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. michael flynn, jeff sessions, even jared kushner all meeting with the russian ambassador. what's that about? what's the connection between the kremlin and the white house? we'll investigate. and what does vladimir putin want from all of this? meanwhile, president trump responds to all this just as you'd expect, with a twitter war against chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. i want to get treat now to athena jones. she's live at mar-a-lago for us this evening. good evening to you, athena. president trump back on the offense as we continue to learn about meetings between the president's inner circle and