tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN March 5, 2017 9:00am-10:01am PST
bombshell. president trump's shocking and evidence-free claim that president obama had trump tower wiretapped before the election. >> i think that president obama's behind it. >> will the white house produce any evidence for the president's claim? and what has the fbi discovered? marco rubio is one of the senators leading the probe and he'll be here next. plus, more russia revelations. >> i should not be involved in investigating a campaign i -- >> attorney general jeff sessions under fire for not being forthcoming about meetings
with the russian ambassador. but president trump and the kremlin call it a witch hunt. nancy pelosi is here to respond in an exclusive interview. and under lock and key? lawmakers claim there's a secret obamacare replacement in the works. >> this is being presented as if this were a national secret, and if this were a plot to invade another country. >> what's in it? and will republicans accept anything less than full repeal? and the best political minds will be here with insights on what happens next. hello. i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is tapped, that is, if you believe the president of the united states who made the jaw-dropping and completely unproven accusation that his predecessor, barack obama, secretly ordered surveillance on him during the election. terrible. just found out that obama had my
wires tapped in trump tower just before the victory, the president tweeted. nothing found. this is mccarthyism. president trump offered, again, zero evidence to support this claim but the white house just released a statement saying, quote, president donald j. trump is requesting that as part of their investigation into the russian activity, the congressional intelligence committee exercise their oversight authority to investigate the executive branch powers were abused. neither the white house nor the president will comment further until such oversight is conducted. about not being forthright about contacts with the russian embassy. all this with the senate intelligence committee investigating the trump campaign's discussions with russia during the campaign. i'm joined by a member of that committee, florida senator marco rubio, republican senator.
thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> good morning, thank you. >> so president trump made this very serious allegation. you're on the senate intelligence committee. do you have any evidence at all to suggest that president trump is stating something factual here? >> by that you mean the tweet about president obama? >> yes. >> yes, so obviously i have no -- i'm not sure what it is he's talking about. perhaps the president has information that's not available to us or the public. if it's true, obviously we're going to find out very quickly. if it isn't, then obviously he'll have to explain what he meant by it. i don't -- i'm not sure what the genesis of that statement was, but i imagine we'll learn more about it the next few days one way or the other. >> do you think the fbi should clear it up one way or the other? >> that's also a difficult thing. the fbi does not confirm either that there is or there is not investigations. it does not talk about pending matters even denying that they exist or admitting them. for the most part that's been their practice. i know it's a source of deep
frustration for a lot of people, not just on this issue but other issues in the past. but everybody needs to take a deep breath and calm down here and let's go through this, which is what we're doing. in the senate intelligence committee we're working in a bipartisan way to collect facts that involves reviewing classified and sometimes unclassified and open source information. we'll issue a report to the senate that will be available to the american people and then people can form judgments on the basis of the collection of facts. that is what we are undertaking. i remain confident that the senate intelligence committee is going to produce a document built on the facts that will allow people to reach judgments based on the facts. that's what we should be doing in something like this. >> the white house council right now is trying to figure out what they can release from the top secret fisa court in their effort to provide some sort of evidence to the president's tweets. does it concern you at all, the white house counsel's office theoretically reaching out to the fisa courts to see what they
can release? >> i'm not familiar with the conversation that you're saying is taking place between the white house and the fisa courts. i will say to you that this entire issue has reached the point where so much is being litigated in the press, there are things being reported that are not true. i can tell you there are things out there that have been reported that are true. in between all of that is where we're working in the senate intelligence committee to gather facts. we're not a court. it's not a law enforcement entity. we're reviewing everything that has happened and primarily with the focus on the active measures that were undertaken by russians or others in our campaigns in 2016, we're going to compile that into a report that will be released to our colleagues and to the american people. i would just hope people would reserve judgment on these things until all that is available. i know it's frustrating. we all want it to be available tomorrow. but this needs to be done in the right way. and that's what we're going to continue to work on. i truly feel confident that it will be a document and a report that will be bipartisan and accurate. >> we learned this week that attorney general sessions was in
contact with the russian ambassador on at least two separate occasions. during the campaign. this is the second time that somebody close to president trump has spoken with the russian ambassador and not been forthcoming about it. the other person was general michael flynn the national security adviser who had to resign as a result. why do you think senior officials in the trump administration keep failing in being forth coming in conversations with the russians. >> i don't know about the others that you mention because i don't know who they met with and who they talked to. i can tell you about senator sessions and that's what ambassadors do. i run into dozen of ambassadors a year. they're out there trying to reach people and talk to them. it is not unusual for a member of the senate to meet with an ambassador. now, obviously, he in a senate committee said he had not been in contact with anyone. that turned out to be inaccurate. and that i think is what became problematic in terms of the way he answered that question in committee. i don't believe it was
intentional in any way because at the end of the day it was not the kind of thing that jeff sessions does and it's not the kind of thing that would be easy to hide, nor would there be any reason to. but again we've got been to the point of hysteria here. ambassadors try to meet with people all the time. i meet with dozens of ambassadors, so do most senators especially those on committees that touch on foreign affairs and foreign relations. >> but the issue is not being forthcoming about it. have you ever met with the russian ambassador sergey kisly kislyak? >> well, i haven't, that i remember. but i'm probably not the kind of person they would reach out to. i have met with ambassadors from countries that from time to time we may have strong issues with. it happens. that's what they're here to do, that's what they try to do. often when a new ambassador is appointed or a new senator is elected or you get appointed to a committee, they try to reach out proakively and meet with you. we haven't had much connection with the russians but probably
because they think i'm a lost cause in talking to on these issues, but we meet with dozens of ambassadors every year. >> u.s. sbels officials say that kislyak is not just an ambassador, he's also a spy and a recruiter of spies. you're on the senate intelligence committee. is that your understanding? >> well, i'm not going to get into what the intelligence committee assesses on anything. suffice it to say that it is not a mystery to anyone -- and i'm not talking about him in particular, just in general, that virtually every embassy in washington, d.c., has some intelligence component associated with it. that's not just in washington but all over the world. but in the end, again, i go to reiterate the point i've made earlier, and that's this. ambassadors try to meet with senators and congressmen and people on the hill. it's what they spend a significant amount of their time doing. that's their job. it is not unusual that an ambassador would meet with a senator on both sides is of the aisle. >> let's talk about immigration. before his tuesday speech to a
joint session of congress, president trump met with news anchors at the white house. i was there. he said he would support a compromise immigration bill and a senior administration official went on to say that president trump would even support legal status for undocumented immigrants who have not committed other serious crimes while being in the u.s. president trump didn't bring this up during his address to congress. his staff told cnn the next day that the whole thing about a compromise immigration bill was a, quote, misdirection play. as someone who worked hard on this issue, what do you make of all of this? >> i don't think it's a misdirection play. the president realizes that we have an immigration problem in america and we need to fix it. but i also think the president realizes and it's been my advise to him and anyone who will listen, is the best way is to take our time and do this right. >> the white house told cnn it was a misdirection play. the white house basically said hey, when president trump said that to you guys he was throwing a lot of smoke so you guys would give him good press for a few
hours then gave red meat to his base. that's from the white house. >> i don't know what the white house may have told you or didn't toell you. but it has to be done in the right way and in the right sequence and the right order. >> then-candidate trump was asked if he would split up families as part of his deportation policy, he said, quote, we have to keep families together. but the department of homeland security is considering separating children from adults if they try to enter america at the southern border. the president said these children are being used as pawns. would you support it? >> i don't know if this is a new proposal or some document internally that someone dreamt up and as a suggestion but no one's ever requesting to actually do it. we heard reports a couple weeks ago they were going to use the national guard to round people up and, of course, that turned out not to be true.
suffice it to say there's no doubt that in many parts of central america and the western hemisphere there are people sending their children or even oftentimes arriving with children because they know they'll be treated differently than people who arrive without children. i am deeply concerned about that. one of the best things we can do is help countries like honduras, el salvador, guatemala. but i don't even know if this is a real proposal. i have to learn more about it to understand exactly what they're talking about doing and in general just the way you mentioned it to me now, i think it could be problematic to implement. that would be my advice to them. i don't know if this was a real proposal or an idea someone was floating around and no one is taking it seriously. it would be premature to opine on it. >> the big question of whether obamacare should be repealed in its entirety, house republicans
are considering a plan that would repeal portions of obamacare and leave other elements intact. two of your former presidential rivals, ted cruz and rand paul, they're insisting on a full repeal. are you with them on this issue? >> i want to repeal obamacare, but i also don't want to go become to the system we had in 2009. that didn't work either. when people talk about partial repeal it's because the process being use to repeal is reconciliation and there are things you can do through reconciliation and there are things you cannot we don't have 60 votes in the senate to do something outside of that reconciliation product. i think this needs to happen, obamacare does need to be repealed. we have to put something in place that's better than obamacare. because i do not support going back to 2009 because that system had problems as well. >> senator marco rubio, always a pleasure to have you on. >> thank you. as we mentioned, the white house has just issued a statement demanding that congress investigate whether president trump was wiretapped,
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last night at mar-a-lago president trump was joined by jeff sessions. sources tell me that president trump is quite upset with his senior staff for this firestorm around senator session to steal his thunder. senator sessions refusal from any investigation into the russian hacks and he had a heated discussion with staff on friday expressing his frustration in no uncertain terms the. but the dinner might be a sign of support for sessions who would not
seem inclined to accept the advice from house leader nancy pelosi who has called for his resignation. thanks for coming in this morning. >> good morning. >> president trump's allegation so far evidence free that president obama wire tapped him. you're part of the committees
that would be privy to such information. do you have any what he's talking about? >> the president is the deflector in chief. anything to change the subject from where the heat is. and as one who has been engaged in intelligence, a member of the gang of eight for a long time, i can tell you that it's just ridiculous for the president, president trump to say that president obama would ever order any wiretap of an american citizen, any president. that's just not -- we don't do that. and so this is -- it's called a wrap-up smear. you make up something, then you have the press write about it, then you say everybody is writing about this charge. it's the tool of an authoritarian to just have you always talking about what you want them to be talking about. rather than russia we talking about did president obama do this. and he certainly did not. then to take it to the congress and say, now you investigate this when he's been not in favor of congress investigating
anything including what do the russians have on donald trump politically, financially or personally, that's the truth that we want to know. >> that's the statement from sean spicer, the white house press secretary, that president trump's requesting that the congressional intelligence committee exercise their oversight authority to determine whether executive branch executive powers were abused in 2016. regardless of whether president obama ordered such a wiretap, do you know if there was any such wiretap by the fbi or the department of justice? >> we wouldn't know that, but in fact the very idea that president trump is saying he wants his justice department to look into that, you don't look into something like that. in other words, a, president obama flat out has said we have nothing to do with this. what the justice department is doing is another subject.
i have no knowledge of anything of that kind. >> you were asked on friday if you've ever met with the russian ambassador along the same ways that jeff sessions, the now attorney general was asked. this is what you had to say. take a listen. >> you're in leadership. have you ever met with the russian ambassador? >> not with this russian ambassador, no. >> video of you in 2010 meeting with ambassador kislyak, it was part of a meeting that you had with dmitry medvedev at the time. i know there's a difference. >> a big difference. >> senator sessions was under oath and the meeting was far more recent than 2010. but i suspect this was an innocent mistrach by you -- >> no, no, we were meeting with the president of russia. he brought an entourage in with him. he was the one doing the talking. the question is have you met with him. no i haven't met with him. i met with the president of russian. who else is in his entourage?
who knows? presidents, heads of state come in, they bring their party, they hardly introduce them. this is completely different. i want to say in that meeting was the republican leadership as well. this wasn't just me meeting with m mededey. who were the other people at the table? you'd have to ask the president of russia. >> could somebody not say you're parsing a little bit about your meeting with russia and jeff sessions made the same kind of innocent mistake? >> no. >> you don't think so. >> are you talking about did i shake hands with him? i don't even know. did i meet him? meeting with the ambassador at a time, at a time when the russians are knowingly hacking our system. we know that i said that at the convention in october that i could prove that outside of the intelligence.
so to waste any time on something like this is ridiculous. he was at the inauguration. was i with him there? he probably was at the inauguration. maybe he was going to be at the dinner last night. i've been in rooms where a couple hundred people where he's been. i don't know if you call that a meeting with him. >> hillary clinton's inner circle is not happy with the way president obama handled news about russia's election hacking. they think he was being do cautious, president obama, and one of clinton's advisors told the new yorker, quote, what if barack obama had gone to the oval office or the east room of the white house and said i'm speaking to you tonight to inform you that the united states is under attack, the russian government at the highest levels is trying to influence our most precious asset, our democracy, and i'm not going to let it happen. the clinton aide went on to say a large majority of americans would have sat up and taken notice. do you think in retrospect that
president obama handled this the right way? >> i think president obama handled that as he received information of the highest confidence. i do think with all the respect in the world for the press, that the press could have done a better job instead of printing every e-mail that came out and saying this comes to you from vladimir putin, they were ha, ha, ha, john podesta said this or that, the press were accomplices in the undermining of our election by the russians by not pointing out this stuff is worthless because it comes from an undermining of our election. or reminding the public where the leaking of these e-mails came from. i can't speak to the time that what president obama -- wish it all happened in a time that the public could know this had an impact on the election. a lot of things had an impact on the election. this certainly was one of them. but what's important to know is that it doesn't happen again and that people in other countries
are realize what they are going to be susceptible to when the russians come in to undermine their elections. this is a big picture of undermining democracies, not just in our country, although they like undermining ours. and they did have a vendetta against hillary clinton because she spoke about democracy and democratic elections and the rest. there's no question personally vladimir putin had a vendetta. >> that's right and the russians are right now doing the same thing in some european countries to influence their elections. i want to move on to legislation. in a joint speech to congress president trump renewed his commitment to paid child care and family leave. >> my administration wants to work with members of both parties to make child care accessible and affordable, to help insure new parents -- assure new parents that they
have paid family leave. >> paid family leave. a big democratic priority for a long time.
is that something you could work with the president on? >> i would essential hope so. the first conversation i had with him after the election that week of the election we talked about that subject and a subject that his family is interested in as well. >> obamacare. >> but what he has proposed is something
that benefits 70% of the benefits go to people making over $100,000 a year. so we have to revisit it. this is not what this country needs in that regard. i do think that there's some bipartisanship where we can have -- we can come together. it doesn't happen to be in his proposal. >> before you go, i need to ask you about a crude joke told by a democratic member of congress. >> before you go there, though, let me say about his speech, all of this that he's doing, the deflection is to deflect from the fact that he does not have a jobs bill, he does not have an infrastructure bill, he does not have any of the things he talked about, renegotiating nafta, has not made the communication with
congress on all of that. understand this, this is the deflect -- where we started, the deflector in chief. no jobs, no infrastructure bill, no nothing and no major bill signed since he came to the white house. >> i need to ask you about this crude joke that was told this week by a member of your caucus, a democratic congressman richmond at the washington press club foundation annual dinner at the expense of white house counselor kellyanne conway. take a listen. >> and you can just explain to me that circumstance, because she really looked kind of familiar in that position there. >> so leader pelosi, the joke was sexist, it was disgusting, shouldn't the congressman apologize to kellyanne conway and honestly where is the democratic party in expressing outrage at this? >> i wasn't at the dinner, i'm just finding about this. but the fact is i'm still in sort of a state of what is going on here that the person who occupies the white house is a person who was on that hollywood
video that said the crude things he said about women. you all are criticizing cedric for something he said in the course of the evening and he may be should be criticized for that. i just don't know the particulars. but i do every day marvel at the fact that somebody who said a gross and crude thing that president trump said wouldn't even be allowed in a frathouse and he's in the white house. >> well, i think we've covered the "access hollywood" tape quite a bit, but i guess the question is if one criticizes only republicans when they make crude comments, does that not undermine the moral authority if they don't criticize when democrats make crude comments. >> i think everybody was making crude comments. i just don't know. i wasn't at that dinner. but i was at the dinner last night at the gridiron club and we were all, i think, quite, shall we say, respectable. i'll look at what my colleagues said there. but i do think that in the oval
office we were always, always with perfect, with
decorum appropriate for the white house. >> democratic leader nancy pelosi, always a pleasure to see you. reckless, that's what one democrat is calling president trump's twitter tirade accusing president obama without any evidence of wiretapping trump tower. will he have to provide evidence?
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i think that president obama is behind it bus his people are certainly behind it. and some of the leaks possibly come from that group. >> that was president trump earlier this week accusing former president obama of being behind leaks about his campaign's potential ties to russia. but yesterday he went further without evidence claiming that president obama ordered wiretaps against him and the president is now demanding that congress investigate. we have a lot to talk about with
our political panel. mike rogers, jennifer granholm, dana lash and cnn political commentator bakari sellers. let me start with you because you were chairman of the house intelligence committee. should president trump be making this allegation without any evidence? >> i don't understand why they did -- he just put another quarter in the conspiracy parking meter. they've extended this story for a week, two weeks. makes no sense to me whatsoever. two things, one, this should have been held -- if he had that belief and if he believed there was inappropriate behavior on behalf of the justice department doing this, then there are internal mechanisms he should have used and called for. making this a big public fight like this i just think is wrong. the only winner in this thing has been vladimir putin. the democrats are saying that he's stole an election and the president of the united states is saying don't worry about it, he's a pretty good guy. if i were vladimir putin i'd be
feeling pretty good right about now. >> two things. one is either -- either this tweet shows that the president has become unhinged and is grossly unfamiliar with what a president's limits of powers are because you can't have a president ordering surveillance, which is a danger to democracy in itself, or it is true that he is being surveilled by the fbi, not by obama, and if that is the case, then that -- both of these are dangers to democracy, which tells you that you need to have congressional republicans standing up and deciding whether they're going to be loyal to this president or to the nation, and wouldn't it be better for them to have an independent investigation? if i were in congress and i had to make that choice, i'd say take it off of my shoulders and let's have an independent congressional committee. >> what's interesting, dana, yesterday i was talking to people in the white house about where did this come from? because if it's true, it's huge
news. but if it's not true, then it's also huge news. >> yeah. >> and the white house at that point was trying to figure out where it came from. they thought it came from media reports, from breitbart, mark levin, other people like that. then ultimately today instead of providing evidence, they just said, well, we're calling on congress to investigate. >> it has been reported, this was a story that came out a few days before the election. >> heat streak. >> there were a number, "the new york times" also has something written about it although who they said was named in these warrants, that vaerd greatly. >> a big difference between saying people around trump are being -- >> exactly. heat street said that he was named speckcally and there's the only reporting there on him being named specifically but others said maybe someone associated with him or the campaign. regardless, it's been reported and out there for oolgts while. >> there's a big difference -- >> that's why i had to -- >> carter page and -- >> no, there is. and that's what we don't know.
which they should make that information public. they should make the application or the warrant public and that's something that at least if not to the american public at lease to members of congress. whether or not something is allowed, whether or not shg is curtailed by limitations on presidential power, that's never stopped our previous president. we have seen instances where the associated press reporters were gone after. james rosen was actually referred to as a criminal agent and his parents' phone records were seized. >> in a leaky case. >> i will say there's a precedence for -- >> not to this level. >> ooh, we've seen that in the past eight years now. >> you're comparing apples and oranges. >> or apples. >> a candidate who was running for president of the united states and the allegation that was put forth was that his predecessor was -- >> oh no, this is huge. don't get me wrong. i think it's huge. >> i think it's actually different. but this is not new for donald trump. put this in the basket of 56%
african-american unemployment or there were three people who voted illegally. he makes these false claims all the time. that's why d.c. is so desensitized to this. he made a claim that they wiretapped trump tower. people said, that's who he is. today he comes out with a statement that says there are reports. no, sir, mr. president, there are not reports. you tweeted this. you said this. this is something that came out of your mouth and you owe the american people the facts behind it. if he is, in fact, the target of a fisa warrant, if he's the subject or his campaign is the subject of this probe, then the american people deserve answers. i think libertarians understand that, democrats, republicans, centrists, everyone understands that. i think we need answers. >> the question for you, sir, is it enough for the president to say there are reports out there, whether it's breitbart or heat street or whatever? because this is the president. he has access to all the information in the government, presumably.
he can declassify, bring the information forward. maybe he should take the advice of dana just now, make the fisa warrant applications public so we can see if it's true or not. >> first of all, the president has a higher responsibility. you have to make transition from candidate to president of the united states. he does own the information. so it could be very possible that there was somebody who was briefed who then briefed the president that there was, in fact, a fisa. there may be. we don't know exactly yet. the problem here is that he climbs right back down into this bucket of causing problems for every other big issue that's out there. think of what happened to him this week. he was out pitching the growth in the united states navy, has to happen. great message, promoting jobs in the domestic defense industry. great message talking to his education -- all that is lost for some kind of a weak tweet. but here's the other piece of this. this should be the sign that
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hearts. >> speaker ryan may be suppressing a little of a laugh there, seems a little skeptical, perhaps for good reason the president followed up with a tweet attacking arnold schwarzenegger's ratings on the apprentice. one sense is that it is tough for some of these republican leaders to ignore entirely the spray of tweets and more that we get from the white house. >> obviously many of the republican history has been to not be superclose with russia, right, so that makes people uncomfortable to begin with, but the other thing is that what donald trump is doing is systematically pulling the legs off of what it means to be a democracy. the leg of having a free and independent press by fake news, the leg of the court system by so-called judges, the leg even of telling the truth, to bakari's point, he wants to assert his power over the truth which is why he lies so much.
so the concern is for those members of congress that it is better for them to not have to side with a guy who is doing that and, in fact, ben sass, the senator from nebraska, said that we are at a -- what did he say -- >> crisis. >> no, but it was more than a. >> a crisis of public trust. >> no, but he had a better word than that. >> civilization warping crisis of public trust. >> civilization warping crisis of public trust. >> there it is. >> that is amazing. >> in some part of that, though, i think it's unfair to -- and i hate that word, but i'm going to use it. it's unfair to actually blame trump for the press. people have been distrusting the president, our present hosts excluded, have been distrusting the press for quite a long time. they haven't helped themselves. i feel ike i'm in "jerry maguire," help me help you. they were cropping people out because they didn't want it to
be known that there were black people going out for the tea party. or they would write insane stories that we were racists, we were bigots, we just took off our klan hoods. this distrust with the press has been -- >> but -- i'll give you that but -- >> well, it's there. you have to. >> i think this is larger than that. because this white house has eroded trust in our institutions. let me give you the perfect example. the president of the united states, the vice president, kellyanne conway, the chief of staff and sean spicer have all come out and said that they've had no campaign contacts with russia. all of them have said that. what we now know is that jeff sessions had campaign contacts. >> as a senator. >> doesn't matter. you can't jump in and jump out. >> you can't hold that against jeff sessions for not answering a question in the past that they want to hold him to in the future. >> i can hold jeff sessions to the standard that you have to tell the truth under oath. >> and he did. i think we disagree on this. i do believe. >> in this debate, if everything
becomes this constitutional democracy crisis and the world is coming to an end, then serious matters will not be addressed in the appropriate way. we have to take each issue as it is. i think they have a very clumsy communications process right now that they need to get their handle on. i don't think that means democracy is collapsing. >> one last point with the twitter stuff. i have a love and hate relationship with his use of twitter. i love it because i love the accessibility of any elected official being on twitter that way, but at the same time i hate it because, you know, he could give a really universally approved of speech at the joint session of congress, then the next day what he tweets because of what he is. i don't think he understands the weight of that account anymore. >> republican leaders are betting the only way this can happen is to set a bill in motion and gamble republicans won't dare to block it. senator lindsey graham is joining rand paul in objecting to the secrecy of it all in this take it or leave it approach.
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welcome back. hours after taking the oath of office, president trump filed for re-election. it's not clear whom democrats might dominate to take him on in 2020. how about another billionaire tv star turned media mogul? that's this week's topic of the state of the state cartoon-ion. >> oprah winfrey considering a presidential run? that's right. this week we learned o might be
a go. >> oh, gee, i don't have the experience, i don't know enough. now time thinking, oh. >> she's not running yet, of course, but then again in 1988 someone else told oprah that the presidency seemed a bridge too far for him. >> this sounds like political presidential talk to me. and i know people have talked to you about whether or not you would want to run. would you ever? >> probably not. >> last year mr. trump even joked about making oprah his running mate. >> she's great, she's talented. she's a friend of mine. i would love to have oprah. i think we'd win easily. >> what kind of rival would she be? could she out charisma him, out celebrity him? >> love, love, love, tweet, tweet, love it! aren't you all the luckiest people in the world! >> what might the state of the union address be like for one of the most successful women in the world? >> you get a car, you get a car, you get a car. >> how would she handle moments where she had to dress down a
cabinet official enmeshed in scandal. would it be anything like the way she handled lindsay lohan. >> you need to cut the [ bleep ], you really do. just cut the [ bleep ]. >> the big question for oprah, will she make america as deliriously deranged as she once did tom cruise? stay tuned, folks. same oprah time, same oprah channel. thanks for spending your sunday morning with us. go to cnn.com/sotu for extras from the show. i'm jake tapper in washington. fareed zakaria gps is next. better value
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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york. we'll begin today's show with the latest on the swirling allegations about trump's inner circle and its relations with russia. what is going on? plus, north korea, china, isis, all that with two former national security advisers, tom donealin and steven hadley. and the president's immigration plan. he told americans it would save billions of