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incredulous, a source says, that's the reaction of james comey to president trump's outrageous twitter charge. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon.
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he claims president obama ordered a wiretap of his phones during the campaign, without a wit of evidence. president trump signs the travel ban today behind closed doors. a ban that critics are preparing to challenge. plus, where ben carson calls slaves immigrants and went on to say, those slaves had a dream that they might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land. let's get right to jessica schneider with more on president trump's shocking wiretap charge? >> reporter: don, people on both sides are asking for proof, and it's really bipartisan bewilderment. members are saying they don't have any evidence to back up those wiretapping claims from the president. it's the fbi making the most public push for clarification. tonight fbi officials are demanding a flat-out denial from the justice department, but not yet getting one, this after president trump went on a
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twitter tie rate saturday. terrible, just found out obama had my wires tapped at trump tower just before the victory. how low has president obama gone to tap my phones. bad or sick guy. sources tell cnn, the fbi asked the doj to refute the claims. as a madder of law, the president cannot order eavesdropping of a citizen's phone. only a court can order a wiretap. >> the process to obtain a fisa application involves many levels legal, management and senior leadership review both within the requesting agency agency and the department of justice, and ultimately the court. >> reporter: so far, the justice department isn't commenting on trump's twitter accusations. some are asking why comey is refraining from issuing his own statement. since he didn't hold back during the 2016 campaign. commenting three times about the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mail server. president obama vehemently denying president trump's charge.
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his spokesperson saying neither president obama or any white house official ever ordered surveillance on any u.s. citizen. any suggestion otherwise is simply false. james clapper also denying the allegation. >> for the part of the national security apparatus that i oversaw as dni, there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign. >> and at this point you can't confirm or deny whether that exists? >> i can deny it. >> there is no fisa court order? >> not to my knowledge. >> of anything at trump tower? >> no. >> reporter: trump's team isn't buying it. sean spicer speaking extensively offcamera, defending the president's tweet, there has been enough reporting that strongly suggests something occurred. continuing by saying lawmakers have a lot to look into. there is information that affects national security that has been leaked out, that concerns him. homeland security secretary
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kelly in an interview with wolf, backed the president. >> the president of the united states said he has his reasons to say he has some convincing that needs to take place. >> reporter: but members of congress are calling for investigations. >> a special prosecutor is the best way to ensure that an investigation proceeds impartially for several reasons. >> reporter: in ongoing panel inquiry, democratic and republican leaders are setting an aggressive timetable. sending this letter to the director of national intelligence. requesting the release of documents and in it person interviews by march 17th. the material to reveal any links between russia and individuals associated with political campaigns. the president is also renewing his calls to probe what he calls pervasive leaks that are undermining national security, that's all according to his press secretary, sean spicer, spicer is still not offering up any proof from the president when it comes to those wiretapping claims.
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don? >> thank you very much, i appreciate that. i want to turn now to brian salter. brian, good evening to you, allegations from the president like this are explosive. we understand that he was furious about this breitbart article that was passed around the white house. could that lead to the president tweeting such unfounded information, falsehoods on saturday? >> i think so, it's the most logical explanation we have. all starting thursday. >> call that logical. >> a silent coup, on his show. this was the allegation on his opinion radio show. then on friday, there it is oorn breitbart. amplifying it further, adding more detail, picking up on news accounts from months ago, trying to connect the dots in ways that may or may not actually connect. and that article did land on the president's desk and the desks of other white house aides on friday, it's the best explanation for why trump lashed
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out on saturday. trump used some of the exact same words that are in the breitbart story. it's the best expansion we have for what caused the tweet storm. >> there's no credible information for any of this. in our reports and others. i mean, the current head of the fbi is incredulous about this. all he had to do was pick up the phone. he won't say there's no evidence, he would say, i've been told by. >> he could have avoided a weekend's worth of headlines, perhaps these headlines benefit president trump. he gives his loyalists an explanation for what's going on, this is all obama's fault. every time we're on the air saying, there's no proof obama wiretapped trump, we are repeating the idea that maybe somewhere, somehow this actually happened. there is a problem, almost a psychology in the coverage of the fact checks of the president. but specifically about what's going on here, opinion versus new.
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it's great to have opinion journalism out there. what they're doing is not real reporting, trying to figure out what actually happened. they're taking stories from elsewhere that have not been corroborated by the cnn's of the world. levin has been coming after me all day saying, why don't you believe the stories about fisa applications? i don't believe them, because cnn, "the new york times," "washington post," reporters have been trying hard to confirm it, and haven't been able to. >> in there taking a headline that's proof, but no that was part of the ambassador who is often monitored, that's how flynn got caught. >> it's always fun to go cherry picking, isn't it? >> it is. but that's not to say that president obama ordered wiretapping on trump tower. somehow they're twisting that -- >> that's what is going on all day long. picking out convenient information. and that's fine if you're an
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opinion host or columnist, it doesn't work in the news business. the broader problem here, what are we taught in grade school in the president is the most powerful person. there's a predisposition to trust the president. when we have a president who's this reckless on twitter, it breaks that normal mold. >> his words need to be precise. thank you. i appreciate it. brian salter to discuss this. here to discuss all of this a former federal prosecutors for the whitewater investigation. investigator and john flannery. it's so good to have both of you on this evening. the fbi director was incredulous, when he heard president trump's unsubstantiated allegations against president obama. james clapper says it's not true. michael hayden, the former director says the president put his reputation at risk. why do you think the president is making these accusations? >> it's typical.
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he's a one-trick pony. he always does the same thing, he tries to cover up what is bad news, by making an outrageous statement, a thread, some trash talk, and hopes that drives us away, this time he's the victim, he had this search. there's no proof of it, he attacks the president. and when his spokespersons come forward, no one will own it, and he's gone underground, nobody can talk to him today. it's an administration full of liars. we have the president lying, the attorney general lying to the senate, and we got rid of our national security adviser for lying to the vice president. if we really believe he lied to the vice president. this is -- to borrow john dean who was on earlier, there's a cancer on this president and he's spinning out of control trying to conceal whatever deal
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they had with the russians, whether it was to give them a buy on the sanctions or it was to make some business deal of his own. that's what the hypothesis should be for a special prosecutor, why is this happening. and this is critical to our democracy. luckily, this guy is a bad liar. there have been better liars in the past who became successful december pits. >> there's been no credible connection between the trump campaign at this point. i know that -- what you said, but that's your belief. >> no, i think there are facts -- i'm sorry, don. the facts are, the meeting that we had for the attorney general at the republican convention, corresponded in the platform for senator cruz, which was to enhance the sanctions. and the trump campaign. >> that was already in the works. >> well, why was the national
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security head of his campaign present at that meeting and talking to the ambassador, those are the hypothesis we should be testing. we're not doing it now. they have us talking about this nonsense. >> i agree with you, and we're going to stick to russia, and that is our mission here. robert, wherever the story leads us, by saying president obama ordered his phones tapped at trump tower illegally. isn't he insinuating the intelligence community broke the law, too, and colluded against him by doing that? >> all of these things are dangerous inferences, what you just heard from mr. flannery is the -- an attempt to try to argue proximity and draw inferences from proximity to the fact that there was collusion. i don't know what happened or what didn't happen, but it's a little -- it's no more ridiculous to argue that, than it is to argue that president obama authorized wiretaps of trump tower. >> that's wrong. who knows whether or not that
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happened. but i do know you have investigations to find out, and you often encounter the ridiculous, the implausible. the possible. and you sort out fact from fiction. i do think an investigation is warranted. there seems to be a bipartisan consensus for that, but it should be handled in the political process, which why congress should do it. the calls for a special counsel at this point are ridiculous. i'm not sure what a special council would be doing. there hasn't been a suggestion at the moment that there's credible evidence to believe a crime has been committed. >> isn't the president saying that if someone did in fact order wiretaps, which means they would have to get a fisa warrant. there would have to be some sort of evidence that shows that president trump or someone
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associated with president trump may have been -- had some untorid relationship or dealings with a foreign entity? >> not necessarily so. you could be legitimately investigating to determine what the efforts were by foreign powers, including russia, to influence the united states, without necessarily believing that a crime was committed by either the campaign or members of the campaign. i'm not sure that necessarily follows. i don't think you're going to have to wait long before you find the fbi director is going to -- unless the department of justice says something, he's likely to come forward and issue a statement on his own. i think based upon the person that i know, and i know him quite well and his reputation -- >> james comey. >> yeah. >> i want to play this. the fbi asked the justice department do knock down the allegations allegedly. a rebuke of a sitting president,
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and tonight sara murray asked sean spicer about the president's reaction. watch this. >> what's the president's view of james comey right now? does he have the president's full faith and confidence to stay on as the fbi director? >> i'm not, i don't think -- we've only heard unsubstantiated anonymous sources make that claim. i don't think director comey has commented on anything he has allegedly said. i'm not going to comment on what people say he might have said. the director is more than capable of speaking for himself. >> if the director comes out and makes a statement, do you -- >> do you think he'd be fired? >> well, this president has a pattern of people who don't do exactly what he wants getting cashiered. it's very interesting, we have a president who's concerned about anonymous sources and fake news. and he's the author of the very thing we're talking about today, which is his smoke screen to avoid the underlying question
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about russia. that's the kind of consciousness of guilt. and, you know, we have to emphasize time and again why would russia interfere with an election that helps only him, and conceals whatever negative information they may have had about the president? when you conduct an investigation, you begin with a hypothesis, and we have one here that's serious that resulted in a presidential ban against russia, throwing some of its representatives out of the country. and it appears there was an effort to compromise it by a citizen at the time. >> maybe they did it because she disliked hillary clinton and not necessarily liked donald trump? >> i feel better if they were citizens of the united states, instead of a foreign nation state that has an antagonistic view of our sanctions against them for invading crimea. >> stand by. we'll be right back. an unlimited data plan is only as good as the network it's on. and verizon has been ranked number one for the 7th time in a row by rootmetrics.
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president trump's accusation that the former president, barack obama tapped his phones during the campaign, taking the spotlight off of russia. robert ray and john flannery. robert, to you, now. the attorney general had to recuse himself many his confirmation hearing starts tomorrow. why not put the investigation in the hands of an independent prosecutor? >> because it sends a terrible message, particularly early on in an administration. my concern is with the institution, the department of justice. the signal that you're sending, if you lift the investigation out of the department, it's essentially saying the department of justice can't do justice, and that's not a healthy think -- let's put this issue aside, institution ali, it's a bad idea, it's why the
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independent council statute was not renewed. the special council regulations envision a conflict with the department so so veer that not only is the attorney general recused, but the department of justice itself is not capable of conducting a fair and independent investigation. and that's not a good idea. >> john, you take umbrage to that, i can tell. >> yes. umbrage might be strong. but i disagree. the justice department as we now have it is headed by a person who lied to the senate who promised them an explanation, he hasn't given them, who wouldn't even talk to the press today, when they were rolling out the new immigration policy and does america trust that department? that's why you have an independent investigation. there are so many conflicts in every direction. one of the obvious ones, we have comey seeking the department of justice to make an announcement saying there were no wiretaps, nobody there will take responsibility. the department is not working on that simple and complicated issue. how can we expect them to run an investigation? >> what would you have them do,
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john? >> i would have an independent council appointed. there are a variety of ways to do it, one of them may be to invoke the jurisdiction of the court. but -- and, you know, it should have a charter, the charter is pretty obvious, any and all contacts with the russians in connection with the recent election, and the sanctions both before and after the election, and to examine the apparent false statements or outright lies we've had from a variety of people -- >> okay. and to see if the data points cone side to criminal activity or misconduct or perjury. >> i've got to move on to another subject. i want to get your input on this as well. let's talk about this new ban. the order bans six countries, takes iraq out of it. it's still based on refusingentry to people from predominantly muslim countries. do you think this is going to make it through the courts? >> it's not going to make it
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through the courts without review. obviously, we're in an environment now with two administrations where we're essentially pursuing executive action through executive orders, opposed to traditional legislation. i don't see any reason to think they won't be tested. this one has a better chance of addressing some due process issues, it doesn't apply to green cardholders, i think with regard to issues involving whether or not there's a first amendment question, it will be dressed by the court in an appropriate fashion. as they should be. >> green card and visa holders are exempt. the preference for christians is gone. syrian refugees no longer indefinitely banned.
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the government has made a case the ban is needed to prevent terror here. >> it doesn't give a clean bill of health. there are going to be issues raised. >> they'll be challenged in the courts. >> people still don't like it, but this is a very watered down version, the president makes -- feels this makes him look weak because he had to water it down. >> i'm sure he thinks that, but they should have read the decisions we had from the ninth circuit. no one has been saying in terms of what we were doing for extreme vetting didn't work. and this proposal still has an attack on muslims, it's a ban on muslims, it basically admits they were wrong. >> you think it's going to hold up in court? >> no, i don't think so. in the report, we don't want you to have a tro, we don't want you to stop it the day it starts.
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we're all going to be at the airports again, and we're going to protest it, and we're going to be in court, and it's going to be frozen again. for similar reasons as the first one. >> and i'll be here moderating a discussion between the two of you. >> hello, it's a new administration, it will be tested, it will be found to be just fine. >> thank you, guys. i appreciate it. dr. ben carson. the new housing secretary exposing commenting he made today about slavery.
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today about slavery. president trump lodging a serious accusation at his predecessor, is the 45th president obsessed with the 44th? here to join us eric dyson. awe thor of "tears we cannot stop: a sermon to white america." let me get your take on what happened. >> let's not sit here on television and pretend this is normal. and people pretend it's normal. this is not normal. the president of the united states does not usually do
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something like this. >> this is bipartisan craziness, people from the left and right have said, this is not normal, this is not what we expect of a leader, the most powerful man in the world. the inability to have deferred gratification or the discipline to impose on oneself. don't say everything you think. a lot of people have thought crazy things, donald trump is channeling what their inner ego, their innerself is about. there are no facts to match what his suppositions are, and his assertions, when he just spews this, he is just using twitter as a means to display his paranoia, his presumptiveness and his obsession with barack obama. he can't let him go. >> that's what i was going to ask you, he claims -- his words were, that the former president wiretapped trump tower, they're spinning it now saying, oh, no, it was the administration, he said, the president. and then the evidence to that,
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that he didn't mean the administration, he said sick, this is like watergate, he was talking about comparing the former president to nixon, specifically saying he was sick. he said the former president ordered the raid on yemen when the navy s.e.a.l. was killed. when president trump ordered it himself. this president's like under the bed, he thinks he's going to grab him in the middle of the night. >> he's the boogie man. here's a man who made us believe that barack obama was the boogie man. he spent years of his life trying to convince america this guy is illegitimate, ilconformed and tried to abort him from the womb of democracy. now he's calling him richard nixon? that's the sheet calling the rice white. here's a guy who's incapable of acknowledge that the paranoia is his own. richard hofstetter talked about it in the '50s, this is the living embodiment of what he's speaking about, and donald trump's obsession with the man
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he thinks is inferior. if he's so bad, why you obsessed with him, as the streets might say. and the preoccupation with him, is the ruin of american politics. >> this is what i said about him, under the bed, a piece in politico about president trump's obama obsession. there seems to be a true sense in trump's mind that obama is practically sitting beneath the floors of the west wing chipping awe way at his presidency. and stephen king said this. trump should know obama never left the white house. he's in the closet, he has says ars. >> well, that's stephen king, who was gracious enough to give me a nice word for my book. here's the thing, he's not under the floorboards, he's in his mind. he's already rattled the cage of donald trump. now the guy he claimed to be inferior and illegitimate is now at the center of the american political imagination according to donald trump. and the paranoia grows and the
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delusions that are attached to that paranoia are scary. but here's the problem. he's castigating his own intelligence community. james comey has begged for the department of justice to say, this is not true. while the white house is begging the fbi head to say there was no collusion between russia and the campaign. >> and general hayden who was served under democratic and republican presidents has said, you know, this is -- i have seen nothing like this, the intelligence agencies are there to serve the president. and he is basically -- >> undercutting them. >> here's what people meant when they kept begging us at the beginning, don't normalize this. they didn't have to worry about this, there's no fear of normalization. even those who begged for the sake of american unity for normalization to take place, acknowledge this ain't real and this ain't normal. >> why do supporters make excuses for him? >> because they're complicit. he's not the product of himself,
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if we're sticking to horror, frankenstein is the name of the doctor not the monster. the people who produced him, there's a relationship organically between donald trump, and some of the previous incarnations of republican ideology. when mitch mcconnell said, we want to make him a one term president and everything he does we'll stop. that's organically related to what donald trump did. so, mitch mcconnell is dr. frankenstein and donald trump is the monster. >> speaking of doctors, i want to get this right, housing and urban development secretary ben carson referred to slaves as immigrants. talked about immigrants coming from ellis island while speaking to department employees earlier. listen. >> that's what america is about. a land of dreams and opportunity. there were other immigrants that came here, on slave ships that worked even longer and harder for less. they, too, had a dream that one
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day their sons, great granddaughters might pursue prosperity. and happiness in this land. >> what do you think, doctor? >> who knew that martin luther king jr. was enslaved in america, and speaking about his dream. this was one of the most atrocious acts of historical revisionism that one might imagine. again, from a man that was at the height of the american power, as the secretary of hud. it's astonishing, first of all, these are forced immigrants at best. these are people who were compelled to come here. they came over on slave ships where they were conscripted to serve not as indentured servants. but enslaved people, in shackles. they didn't have a dream, their dream was to stay in africa. they were rudely extricated from african soil to serve the legacy
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of american slavery. and dr. carson has turned them into willing immigrants who came here in search of a dream. >> you know one of his advisers, personal advisers in armstrong williams, when i read this, i texted armstrong. he called me back. he's referring to involuntary immigrants. he directed me to his radio show tonight, which dr. carson was on, and he explained it this way. >> i've seen people need to look up the word immigrant. whether you're voluntary or involuntary, if you come from outside to the inside, you're an immigrant, whether you're legal or illegal. you come from the outside to inside you're an immigrant. slaves came here as involuntary immigrants. but they still had the strength to hold on. >> does this clarification change anything for you? >> not at all. let's give him the positive recognition there, it is true,
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that the enslaved people did have the forbearance and the fortitude to hang on. but again, to confuse the matter by suggesting there was a relationship between immigrants who came here from eastern and western europe and africans who were brought here in chains is as the great philosopher mike tyson would say, ludicrous. it's astonishing that dr. carson, a well known neurosurgeon of the highest order would then try to work a kind of surgery on us, where he confuses us with terms, and if terms mean nothing. they have no meaning, and to say they are involuntary immigrants, to be sure. immigrants suggest a kind of willfulness, an agency exercise, toward a particular goal. they were not engaged in the act of coming here, with their own, if you will volition, it was against their will. and i think dr. carson has distorted the entire process. >> they weren't looking at the statue of liberty going, things are going to be great for us. >> exactly right. thank you, sir.
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ben carson beginning his first full week as housing secretary. it may not be going exactly as he planned, so let's discuss now. kayleigh mcenany is here. simone sanders and kevin madden and sir michael singleton. here we are back to the fun and games, everyone. good evening. thank you for coming on. i'm sure you heard the conversation i had with michael eric dyson. right now, i want to play the comments from ben carson, where he appears to compare slaves to immigrants. he begins to talk about the photos of people who came here to ellis island. >> not 8 hours a day, but 10, 12, 16 hours a day, no such
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thing as a minimum wage. they worked not for themselves but for their sons and their daughters. and their grandsons and their granddaughters that they might have an opportunity in this land. that's what america is about. a land of dreams and opportunity. there were other immigrants who came here, on the bottom of slaveships who worked even longer, even harder for less, but they too had a dream, that one day their sons daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, grandsons, great granddaughters, great grandsons might pursue happiness and prosperity in this land. >> sir michael, i have to go to you first. you used to work for ben carson. can you give us some insight as to what he meant here and why he would say that?
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>> look, don, dr. carson has released a statement that was posted to his facebook page about an hour ago, where he did clarified the remarks that he made earlier today, when he was addressing the staff, the career staff at the agency. and in those remarks, he made it -- in that clarification, he made it very clear that in no way was attempting to compare the slave narrative to the immigrant narrative, the two are extremely desperate. and the fortitude our ancestors displayed when being forced into this country is not something anyone would attempt to challenge. >> i know what you're saying. >> hold on, don. hold on. >> nope, nope, nope, nope. it doesn't work that way. you said he wasn't attempting to, but that's exactly what he did, by comparing people from ellis island. slaves couldn't even come through ellis island or see the statue of liberty, because it wasn't during that time, that's the point. there were two different experiences. he himself he was comparing it, maybe in his explanation he said that.
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but if you listen to it, that's what he said. >> i'm not disagreeing with the facts as it pertains to slavery and immigrants coming from european countries into america. that's not what i'm attempting to do. i'm saying dr. carson made a statement. clearly, he's recognized that his statements were not the best statements at that time, and clarified those statements. once on armstrong williams show. >> okay, i get what you're saying. >> don. >> he further clarified it on facebook. >> i played the sound bite from the armstrong -- i get what you're saying. you're saying you think he misspoke, he didn't say it properly. >> and he clarified. we have to give him credit for clarification. >> simone, what do you think? >> i think this is absolutely ridiculous. i think what dr. carson did today should not be overlooked or cast aside as misspeaking, this was an attempt at revisionist history, what the trump administration has done
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before. we can look at betsy devos. we have to be careful and say dr. carson cleaned this up and made it clear. i am more confused by dr. carson's statement, i don't think he understands the grave grave -- just egregious misstep he made today. >> do we have -- >> hold on shamichael. if we have the thing from the armstrong show, let me know, and we'll play it. quickly, i want to get kayleigh in here. >> i don't think it's fair to say dr. carson doesn't have an understanding of slave history. i can't find any african-american who doesn't understand the -- >> well, as -- >> simone, simone. hold on, hold on simone. i can understand why people found dr. carson's statement to be problematic. and clearly dr. carson recognized that, which is why he
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as directed his -- >> okay, you said that, you said that. you said that. >> the point he doesn't understand -- >> there are a lot of people who may not -- just because you're black doesn't mean you understand slave history. people go to schools just like everyone else. people go to schools, sometimes they're not taught black history. sometimes they don't understand black history. just because you're black doesn't mean you understand black history. >> that's not the premise of my point, don. what i'm saying is, dr. carson is an intelligent person. dr. carson is a good person, throughout his career, his number one goal has been serving others, at the core, that's who he is. a servant leader, and in knowing dr. carson, he would never do or say anything with the intent to hurt or malign people. i think he misspoke, and i think he recognized that, which is why i believe he provided further clarity on his facebook page an hour ago. >> we're going to play what he said on armstrong's show and let kevin and kayleigh get in right after this. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. ited data plan is only as good
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back now with kayleigh mcenany, symone sanders, kevin madden, and shermichael singleton. all right, mr. madden, i know you want to get in on this. we talk about these subjects all
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the time. and i want to play what dr. carson said on armstong williams' radio show. >> i think people actually need to look up the word "immigrant." whether you're voluntary or involuntary, if you come from outside to the inside, you're an immigrant. whether you're legal or you're illegal, you come from the outside to inside, you're an immigrant. slaves came here as involuntary immigrants. but they still had the strength to hold on. >> okay, so, an immigrant is a person who comes to another country to live voluntarily for a long time, who comes. and then he, shermichael said, he wrote about it on facebook, but he never said, i messed up or what i intended to say was, he just said, the two, that
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immigrants and slaves, the narrative that the two share spiral different experiences, and they shouldn't be conflated. i'm paraphrasing here, but that's kind of what he did. what do you think? >> well, i don't think it's -- it helps a lot to be trying to parse or litigant his use of the term "immigrant." i think the original remarks were disagreeable and wrong. they're easily proven wrong. and he should move on to that. i thought shermichael did as good a job as you can do in pointing out that secretary carson was speaking extemporaneously. he would have chosen different words if he could have, and move on. but that's one of the mistakes in this response, is to go round and round over the use of the term immigrant. term immigrant. look, my parents were immigrants. they came here from ireland because they wanted to. they were not sold into bondage like so many african-americans were. there's a big difference there. understand that difference and move on. >> kayleigh mcenany? >> yeah, i mean, i don't think it's harmful to parse his every
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word, either. and in fact, when i look at someone's statement that comes under fire, i like to look at the heart of what he was trying to say. and clearly, i think what he was trying to do, even though his comparison was inept, was to compare, you know, struggles that his ancestors went through and compare them to struggles that immigrants go through. and he clarified on facebook and pointed out some of the huge differences there he wished he would have pointed out in his speech. but the last sentence he said on facebook is the heart of what he was trying to say. we should revel in the fact that although we got here through many different routes, we have many things now that unite us. i think that's what he was trying to do and i think lambasting the guy for making an inartful comparison isn't helpful. >> and to kayleigh's point, the people who were in the room and heard these comments live, it didn't even strike them, at first. i think it's because it goes through this whole new level of scrutiny that he's taking a hit on this. >> hmm. >> if i can comment really quickly, his remarks in their entirety was relatively well received at the career staff at hud.
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even towards the end, there was a woman who stood up and said, you know, i wasn't too sure about you, but having hearing your remarks in their entirety, i have great comfort. and that should provide a lot of credence who those who are watching. >> when you're the hud secretary, your remarks are going to be seen further than that room. >> no one disagrees with that. >> we have time left. go ahead, simone. >> whether it's the hud secretary, the secretary of education, or the president of the united states himself. this administration has to take more care in the words that they use and under no circumstances should we gloss over the fact that today, the secretary of housing and urban development tried to equate people who were brought to this country in chains with immigrants who is voluntary come here. this administration has some work to do. >> yeah, it's -- um, listen, i understand when everyone says, america's a country of immigrants, but we got here in different ways. >> and we all acknowledge that --
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>> and those ways do matter. in a big way. thank you, all. >> no one's disagreeing with that. >> thank you all. i'll see you next time. good night. . . . .
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all right. it is finally here. yes, the republican plan to replace obamacare is public. can republicans overcome party division and find support they need to get the bill passed? and the president's new travel ban rolling out with substantial changes from the first one. how does it impact national security and will it hold up in court? thanks for getting an "early start" with us. i'm dave briggs. >> i'm christine romans. a lot of news on this tuesday morning. after years of promises to repeal and replace, the republican plan to

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