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wire taps on his phones in terror during the campaign and said the president had no regrets, leveling the allegation. what he did not do was offer evidence to back it up. the chairman who is investigating suggested people should not take the presidential tweets literally. that is where we begin with jim acosta. >> it's now a question that won't go away. where is trump's proof that his predecessor, barack obama broke the law and tapped his phones. the white house still doesn't have an answer. >> where is the evidence? where is the proof that president obama bugged president trump? >> nothing has changed. it's not a question of new or less proof or whatever. the answer is the same. i think that there is a concern about what happened in the 2016 election. they had the staff and the capabilities and the processes in place to look at this in a way that is objective and that's
where it should be done. if you have seen the response on the house side as well as the senate. they welcome this. >> the press secretary sean spicer made it clear the president is not about to take it back. >> will he withdraw the accusation. >> 'would he withdraw it? that's what we are asking. absolutely not. >> spicer insisted the unsubstantiated accusation should be taken at face value. >> it's not that he is walking anything back. he is saying they have the appropriate venue and capabilities to review this. >> he refused to say the president's stunning charge. >> do you believe that president obama did it? >> my job is to represent the president and talk about what he's doing and what he wants. he made it clear what his goal is. what he would like to have
happen. so i will leave it at that. i'm not here to speak for myself. i'm here to speak for the president of the united states and the government. >> democrats are perplexed. >> donald trump is destroying the credibility of the office of president 140 characters at a time. >> as top republicans withhold judgment. do you think it was appropriate for the president to accuse the former president? >> we are looking at all aspects of what may have been done last year related to the russians or the campaign and we'll leave it there. >> have you seen evidence of that? >> no, i haven't. >> is it the white house offering any more public support? >> not really the white house is careful about questions and confidence who has you know raised questions about the
president. sean spicer said he had no reasons to believe the president does not. that's hardly a ringing endorsement and a non-answer, but the heard the press secretary say time and again he would like to not answer the question. >> was sean spicer asked about why the president wouldn't call up the department of justice and find out about whether the fisa court would request? >> he has been asked that question and that option is available to the president, but from what we understand and what sean spicer said today that the president has not talk to the director about this and put that request forward and it does feel like they wish that all of that would go away. now we know that the white house asking these congressional intelligence communities to
investigate, this may be the last thing they want. these committees to dig into the questions and whether the president can back up the claims. so far he has not been able to do so. >> more breaking news from the chair and he announced he will launch public hearings on the 20th and plans to look at the wire tapping charge. on the other side of the capital center, he will be voting on the nominee. the russian medaling of the election and contact with the trump campaign. senator, we heard sean spicer say that the white house stands behind the accusation and the whole thing is very serious. that merits an investigation. i want to play a clip this afternoon. >> the president is a neophyte to politics. he has been doing this a little over a year and a lot of things
that he says, you guys sometimes take literally. sometimes he doesn't have 27 lawyers and staff looking at what he does. i think at times it's refreshing and at times can lead us to have to be sitting in a press conference like this answering questions that you guys are asking. at the end of the day, i think tweets are a very transparent way of a politician to communicate with their constituents. i don't think we should attack the president for tweeting. >> the white house said take the president literally and nunez said don't take him literally. do you take the president literally? >> these statements really surreal and strange and scary. scary because we are dealing with wire tapping and surveillance that goes to the core privacy rights of all
citizens and the president of the united states is making a charge that he was illegally wire tapped by his predecessor. now saying the white house, that there is no need for him to provide evidence right away and it should be investigated by one of the congressional committees. there is investigations into russian hacking and massive cyber attack on our democracy that may have been tied to the trump campaign and to the trump transition and now the trump administration. that's why we need a special prosecutor. these charges are profoundly serious. to brush them away in a way that is done is really a disservice to our democracy. >> they argue that the sitting president of the united states on the successful campaign that
lasts over a year is a political neophyte. do you buy that or do you think he understands the political consequences of what he is doing? >> the president must understand the political consequences of what he is doing. anybody who campaigned for president and won is no longer a neophyte and must know also that he has access to all of the intelligence information about whether he has been wire tapped. >> he can call up the fbi right away. >> he can call in the fbi and the other intelligence folks of the administration and some of them are in place and some not. he's the president of the united states and the kinds of warrants that are necessary for wire tapping this surveillance are issued and approved only by a court. in article three district court. we are not talking here about
something done lightly or haphazardly. he cannot order wire tapping. they need a warrant. >> your support of the nominee for the deputy attorney general who will be overseeing the russian investigation because the attorney general recused himself and that's contingent on making a special council. he has bipartisan background. he said he can't make that call. does that seem understandable? >> anderson, this nominee is a career professional prosecutor. he should know better than anyone how important it is to have an independent, credible special prosecutor in this role. how can he investigate his boss. how can he investigate the attorney general or the
president of the united states. he has to make a commitment to follow the evidence. there may be a need for the select committee. only a prosecute can go after criminal wrong-doing. that's why an independent prosecutor is necessary. i understand the reasons that he may be unwilling to commit. my view is he has to show more than his poise and pedigree. the best way is by opposing it. washington correspondent for the new yorker and trump supporter and senior contributor to the spectator dating back to the reagan administration.
daily beast and senior columnist. you always try to mention ronald reagan. >> we like to be the first ones. ryan, the democrats want an independent council to let the investigation. if confirmed he would be the 1 to decide. >> there is no independent council law. you have that. it does seem like an independent investigation is what is needed. there is a cloud surrounding the questions about russia. i have to say i am confused as to what exactly is the crime or the targets of the special council. it hasn't been articulated. a lot of good reporting that the fbi has had some investigation of trump associates and he
doesn't have the justice department saying this is an ongoing investigation targeting these people. for a senator ta call without knowing that is a little bit unusual. >> the senators who are doing that and the member of congress are partisan democrats trying to plant a flag to rally their troops to sort of engage in this hyper partisan rhetoric which is polarizing and against the president. if there were a special council, they would be empowered to look for things. you need probable cause. you need to know what the skrim that you are investigating. the other way to do it is the congress can pass a law that would empower a three-judge panel to investigate and they can pass a law. >> unlikely to happen. >> but again, if there were
enough and it's clear enough and something needed to be investigated, there are checks and balances and not only through the executive branch. >> when you hear nunez say don't take the president of the united states literally, do you take him literally? >> i go with the former attorney general that you can be not right, but correct on this. anderson, i am just as astonished that the media has been playing this russian game and taking information from people who are getting information from surveillance. the "new york times" january 20th headlined wire tap tap data. how does the new yo"new york ti know that? they have sources in the government who knew that. headline after headline for this. i'm all for an investigation. let's see where this investigation is coming from. >> back to the literally, the literal thing. should the president be taken
literally. should his word be taken literally? >> the american people understand that he communicates in a way the modern media is not accustomed to. one thing i want to say about the direct accusation against president obama. you mentioned earlier i ran contra before you went on the air. president reagan was accused of doing this deliberately. it was staff members. he didn't know. is it possible that someone in the obama administration could authorize this? absolutely yes. >> back to the question, you ever saying don't take the president literally, take him serious 4r50e. >> always take him seriously. he is playing three-dimensional chess and the media is playing checkers. when they bring up fake news and
the russians and all this sort of thing, he turned it around on them. they wind up on the losing end. >> he accused the president of wire tapping. that is the fake news. what is the literal way to take that statement that makes it more correct? >> why the "new york times" reporting this. wire tap provided to the obama white house. >> there is no evidence provided. >> the president is in charge of his administration. >> he said barack obama tapped his phone. is there evidence of that or not? >> yes, yes there is. wire tap communications have been provided to them. >> he said barack obama tapped his phones. >> guys, even the things that mark is talking about and breitbart is talking about. >> a friend of mine for the record said he doesn't know. let's find out. let's go. >> he doesn't know, but the
president seems to think he knows. >> the president, i assume reads the new york times and "the washington post." he has to see the stories that his administration is leaking. >> i get that, but he is blaming the former president. >> the former president was in charge of his administration. that's the way it works. >> we are forgetting something. somebody who is not, i think, a pathological liar and nuts would call up the fbi and say i have something serious -- let me finish. he would say i have serious concerns and i think there was a wire tap. he wouldn't attack the former president on twitter without going through a process. this is a serious accusation. >> the former president was in charge of his administration. >> can't the president call up the fbi or have his staff find out or declassify anything in a fisa court? >> you can imagine the headlines
of that. now let's wait. >> if he uncovered that president obama did in fact do this -- >> i think he knows something here. >> we will get to the rest of the panel and continue after the break. why can't the president just clear this up himself? we will talk about that and new wiki leaks and what they use to conduct surveillance. you have a mobile phone and apps and a tv since you are watching. you will want to see this report. modern life deserves a modern way to pay. oh jane, you're getting a ticket i'm going to get you out of this chair. breton. you can use it online and on your phone. nope. it's been masterpassed. winning the little victories, priceless masterpass, the secure way to pay from your bank don't just buy it, masterpass it.
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tonight. watch. >> why would the president want congress to investigate for information he already has. >> there is a separation of powers aspect here. i mentioned to jonathan. >> why waste the resources and time? >> it's a question of appropriateness. >> i'm trying to get to if he is sitting on the information and he has found out and he is recommending that they look into this and you talked about they have resources and staff which they do, but why expend those if he found out this information? >> there is a difference between directing the department of justice that may be involved in an ongoing investigation and asking congress as a separate body to look into something and add credibility to the look. that adds an element that wouldn't be there if we were directing the d. i think we made it clear how he want this is done and where we go from there. >> back with the panel, does
that make sense? if the president has the information, he wouldn't need to direct congress. >> a clever answer. the whole thing is absurd. donald trump fired off a tweet without actually knowing the information. it's weird. i think we would all concede that and i think the democrats are -- the old expression that if all you is a hammer, every problem is a nail. it reminds me of republicans being in the paranoia of barack obama and trying to delegitimize him via birtherism. the whole red scare that is taking place. i'm not saying that it's not weird because it is weird, but the idea of calling for a special prosecutor, what do special prosecutors do. they look for things to
prosecute. they have subpoenas. you never know once you get the special prosecutor, you never know where it might end up. democrats are trying to take him down with this. i agree, we are not there yet. if there was evidence that suggests a crime, maybe go to a special prosecutor. >> the evidence of russian hacking and intelligence communities and all of them is that not evidence of a crime enough? >> we are teetering towards the crisis, he is making them out of thin air. find the truth and sort of reset the government in the direction that it should go. the president throws a crazy investigation that congress investigate him about the administration that causes further confusion. another made up claim that he
has ridden on and we get this from him periodically, but with regularity. he makes up things and leaves it up to everybody to sort it out. it's a real problem to see everything as strategy. what should the democrats do and how do they win? we are sort of moving towards a constitutional crisis when the president habitually and regularly makes things up and we don't have a system that is intended to cope with a president who makes things up. >> they are major insinuations that donald trump and his administrations are having secret meetings with russian spies and cloak and dagger with zero evidence. >> wait a second. >> i'm talking about for example the latest with jeff sessions. >> the birtherism is a made up manufactured accusation. we shouldn't be experience
theorists, but there is a lot of smoke. >> but no evidence. >> there is no evidence that barack obama was born in kenya. we have department changes and substantial links between trump aides and russia. we have a cyber campaign that the intelligence community agreed happened. it's unfair to say the democrats are looking to take him down similar to birtherism. >> it's a paranoia at play and wishful thinking. what the democrats ought to do is come up with a plan and a policy and agenda. i think they will make the mistake that republicans made for a long time. >> accuse him of being born in a country he was not born in? >> you have a point that the democrats should focus on the health care plan that cause people to die and get sick. i said before that the obsession around the russian thing is not wise politically. >> grow iing concern that the n
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>> more breaking news tonight. the republicans plan to replace obamacare is facing serious head winds. repealing obamacare was a key campaign promise and house republicans have introduced helping him in the service sector and he called it a work in progress. no price tag and how many people recover and conservative critics have found plenty of things to attack. >> this is obamacare gone. >> less than 24 hours after the house obamacare repeal bill saw the light of day -- >> this is the first and most important step in giving relief to americans from this terrible law. >> his own party are threatening its very existence. >> the bit as it stands is dead-on arrival. i don't think it will arrive in the senate. >> bolstered by pressure and outside conservative groups and
the koch brothers back forward prosperi prosperity. >> they are going to have the shortest lived majority if they fail to repeal obamacare. >> they created a very real math problem for republicans. the majority given the opposition with five vacant seats right now allows leaders to lose 21 votes or in the senate and the republicans can only afford to lose two of the 52 members. moderates have been wary of looming attacks on how many people will bill will cover. something sources said the budget office told gop leaders will fall far short of progressions. >> what are matters is that we are lowering the cost of health care and giving people access. the government will always win the war on plans saying if we mandate and everybody buys what we have to buy, the government will estimate we will buy it. that's bogus.remain
skeptical on the tax credits to purchase plans. then the restructures of medicate, a hot button issue given the program's expansion many took under obamacare. four senators will oppose that bill in their states. this is the moment when white house muscle will be needed. president trump today meeting with top house vote counters and urgent support for the house plan. >> i believe we the have tremendous support. i'm seeing the support not only in this room, but everybody. i got elected to a certain extent, i would say with a good chunk based on repealing and replacing obamacare. many of you people are in the same boat. >> joining us now from capitol
hill, the only question that matters is can this pass the house? >> that's right. if you talk to house republican leaders, they are say they are in okay shape. paul ryan guaranteeing when it hits the house floor, he will have the number of votes to pass it. there is no question right now. it's kind of an open question. they talked about not just those who are wary, but out right opposed. that's why you are seeing a behind the scenes effort. that's kicked into high gear. president trump's budget director is going back and forth between the conservative house freedom caucus and trying to bring those along. president trump took to twitter to nudge rand paul himself saying he would come over, but the efforts will have to multiply in the days ahead. house gop officials i have been speaking to make clear it will be the president and the president himself who can get this across the finish line.
that means twitter and phone calls but it also means face-to-face meetings. one aide said do you think these individuals from their red districts will tell the president no to his face? that is a calculation they are willing to sit on right now. they feel good and eventually they will come around, anderson. >> phil just mentioned before we went on air, president trump tweet and saying i feel sure that rand paul will come along with a great program because he knows obamacare is a disaster. lots to discuss and analyst steven moore and former labor secretary author of saving capitalism and some lawmakers calling it light and others you heard it's light or gone. >> that's the problem, anderson. this is smoking out republicans. some said repeal and replace only cared about repeal. that's what they wanted.
they didn't want replacement. other republicans including president trump because he said it during the campaign, he really did want a replacement. they are discovering that the math is not there. if you get rid of the taxes that supported the affordable care act and the mandate that younger and healthier people have got to have experience, you don't have the wherewithal to replace what you had before. it's simple and direct. therefore republicans are in an impossible position. >> where do you fall on this? they called it bad politics and bad policy. >> 50 of all, the operative word was draft. this was put forward yesterday and everybody has been skrak belling to look through and find out what's in it and find out what they like and don't like. there are things i like in this bill and for the most part it guts obamacare which was a
central promise that republicans made and it has to get done. what they replace it with, bob has a point. there is not a lot of consensus on the republican side about what to replace obamacare with. this is the first strike at it. as your reporter just said, it will go back and forth between the conservatives and the house until they have something that gets the votes. donald trump was elected in no small part because of the failures of obamacare. that came out about two weeks before the election. the premiums under obamacare were going up 22% and that's something middle class families can't afford. >> what can they do if they lose their health insurance all together. you said that the one big thing that was going to save people money here that was insurance could be provided across state lines. that was the big reform that republicans would offer and it's not in this.
i read the bill and it's not for families that voted for trump and the poor people. this is basically a huge transfer of resources from the poor and the sicker to the wealthier and the healthier. this makes no sense. >> that's been the liberal talking point on this. the truth is there are provision this is this proposed law that would allow people to buy insurance across state lines. i said this many times. i live in virginia and i have an ohio auto insurance policy. why can't you buy insurance in another state? it increases competition. a big problem with obamacare, in three counties, they provide insurance and that's not competition. >> steve, i think that argues for a single payer plan.
that's a discussion we want to make. that's no competition at all. we have no competition right now. that's enormous consolidation with insurance companies going on this very minute. >> the thakt that there is no score from the office and we don't know how much this plan will cost. how important is it to you before this goes further? >> how can you possibly vote on this if there is no information on coverage or cost? this is absurd. let me just finish. we are talking about tens of millions of people that obamacare, you had hearings and estimates and omb and private groups that were doing analysis. here you got nothing. they are marking up tomorrow and they want to ram this through as fast as they can. >> it's interesting that that argument is there.
that argument that secretary rice just made was made by republicans about obamacare that that was being rammed down people's throats. >> exactly. here's the point. it's been seven years though. it's not like this is all of a sudden. something republicans have brought up. it's years that they have been talking about repealing obamacare. it was nancy pelosi who said they will read the bill after it happens. i want a thoughtful process and make sure everyone reads the bill and knows what they are voting for and there are problems in this version and no question about it. you have to work on those and get them straightened out. you have a plan and what i want is a plan that covers every american. donald trump is there too. it reduces the competition. >> preexisting conditions and we have to get the congressional numbers. you agree with that.
map. releasing a giant pile of secret cia documents giving a window of how they use technology to spy on people. they said they don't comment on documents and what's in the do you means is a fascinating look about everything from an iphone to a smart can be turned into espionage. >> some of the cia's most effective spying tools pried open with the help of wikileaks. they obtained thousands of files, hundreds of millions of line of code from the cia's massive hacking operation.
the documents said they developed mal wear to hack into any device people use and can control iphones and ipads and android devices. taking video from the cameras and listening with the microphones. >> we should be worried if they are using against non-intelligence targets. >> they are not allowed to spy on americans, but they worry other agencies may be using the came tools. they have one hacking operation called weeping average theal can tap into a smart tv. >> they can turn it into a spying device. >> it's not actually off. a lot of people remember the red light. there is a computer and it's listening for the remote to turn on. what the cia can do is latch into that and when it's off, they can listen to the microphone in the telephone. they call it fake off.
they explored the possibility of hacking into the software of modern cars. >> it can be outside and taken control of. this can be a lot of things from playing the music to crashing it if you want to. >> they use the u.s. consulate in frankfurt, germany where hackers spy on people in europe, the middle east and africa. they wouldn't comment. the documents released by wikileaks have not been authenticated. they won't confirm the existence. they would allow the cia to mask the hacking to make it look like someone else did it. analyst said if this is true. they dealt a significant blow to national security. >> every time the blows are off,
a bad guy is off. they use them to defeat them to spy on them and track them to target them. >> wikileaks said there is a broader security program. if the cia can get their hands on the hacking tools, the bad guys can too. cyber criminals and hostile countries will be able to hack our phones, tvs and computers. the cia said it does not comment on the authenticity or the content of purported intelligence documents. >> former fbi and cia senior official and national commentator and house intelligence chairman mike rogers. some of the techniques listening throughs and tvs and from an intelligence perspective, if it's legitimate, how damaging is this to the cia? >> it can be quite damaging and misunderstanding for most of the american population. let's take a simple piece of
this, anderson. if you are in north korea or iran, you are looking at this saying does this give us a clue on what is on the systems already or b, does it allow us to defend something installed on our systems tomorrow. it's a simple question. there is a more complicated question and you might assume that the tariffs we chased had technical sophistication. the answer is they didn't. even if you don't reveal a great deal of information about what the cia is up to, even if you say, for example, you think there is an encrypted app that allows you to kplcommunication, saw terrorists who had understandings of capabilities. they had no it capability. if there is not a lot of information revealed, they will look at this and say wow, i didn't understand how they could
encrypt apps. that's what i worry about. >> what wikileaks is is saying, this doesn't just have ramifications for the u.s. even for anybody it makes everybody more vulnerable to hacker fist there are open doors into the technology we are using. the phones that we use that the cia knows about can leak out and the hackers can get access. >> first of all, it is shocking that the cia engaged in espionage. i want to talk about this real quickly. this is their job to go out and collect information on very targeted individuals. the cyber center was created to make sure the agency had the capability to keep up with technology to go after individuals that had information of value. some notion that this is widespread big data collection is wrong. that's not accurate. i see that with the folk who
don't like the intelligence service. they are doing it everywhere. what the problem was if you were worried about the iphone or whatever app that you may be using that was listed in these leaked documents, yes, phil is right. the sophisticated counter intelligence folks are here and we are seeing this growing sophistication outside of nation states. international organized crime groups and others who are also pouring over this information and say figure they figured out how to do it, we can figure out
why he didn't have the sense of humor with the testimony years ago. to answer your question, this raises a fundamental question. back in the 70s or 80s or 90s, the u.s. government can collect information without looking to the private sector in silicon valley for assistance. now if you look at who owns data, google, amazon, yahoo. they own data and those companies through the congressman and through conversations with the u.s. intelligence community has a legitimate question. does the u.s. government when they identify a vulnerability in commercial information provider or app provided by google and amazon, et cetera, should they have a responsibility to notify that company? i personally think the answer is yes, but we don't have an answer
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time for america uncovered series where we try to get out of washington away from the talking heads. we sent gary tuchman to ohio and many people who voted for donald trump. we wanted to hear what they think how it is going and what they make of the controversy around the president and here is what gary found. >> reporter: at the phoenix bat company in plain city, ohio, they make baseball bats big league. literally for the big leagues. and the minor leagues and for others. it's a small business where most of the employees say they voted for donald trump. and on deck, some of those employees. >> the first 100 days of a presidency are an important barometer of how the presidency will turn out. this weekend donald trump is precisely at the halfway point, 50 days. how do you think he is doing so far? are you happy with him? >> making a lot of progress, fulfilling a lot of campaign promises i am encouraged he is
following through when most politicians don't. >> i feel probably the republicans in congress aren't happy they have to do something. they have a president from their own party that's, pretty driven to get his agenda. and you know they have been making excuses for years that they couldn't do it. couldn't do it. i think they're going to have to put up now. >> this weekend, saturday, donald trump tweeted how low is president obama going to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. this is nixon watergate, bad or sick guy. >> my reaction was look this guy gets access to intelligence, you or i don't get. if you are going to throw out that big a hand grenade, pretty confident that you have got information that leads you do do that. >> donald trump said this, nothing else has come out. no evidence of it. does that trouble you? >> it troubles me that he is still on twitter and, putting this stuff out there. at all sorts of hours early in the morning, everything. without any, without any substantial evidence that i know of. >> do you think he uses twitter
to distract from other issues he doesn't want people talking about? >> i think every great politician uses everything they can do distract from the realer use at any point in time. >> reporter: we shifted to obama care. and donald trump's lack of specificity from the campaign to this day about what he would look to see in a replacement. >> he didn't come out and say with specific. republicans need to get off their rear end. do something. he can't do it himself. >> regarding obama care, congressman chavitz was on tv, he said he believes in self reliance. he said something earlier that he acknowledged wasn't said smoothly. want you to look at it. >> we are getting rid of the things people said they don't want. you know what, americans hatch choices. they have got to make a choice. so maybe rather than getting that new iphone they just love and want to spend hundred of dollars, maybe invest in their own health care. >> he just said the truth.
people are going to be offended by it. >> talking self-reliance, i'm for it. i had to. i think he was cat gorizing a whole group of people in one category where he really shouldn't have. >> reporter: when it comes to president trump, all these men acknowledge there have been rough spots, since his term has gotten under way. but shared the sentiments. >> i think he accomplished a lot in a short period of time and it is refreshing. i am refreshed by the idea that he is not beholden to special interest groups. that's what excites me. >> these bat makers anderson are loyal to donald trump, but not blindly loyal. they say he has to continue to earn their loyalty by keeping his promises. particularly about jobs and trade. gerald, the man we tacked to upper right corner of the screen, he says he used to work for another factory in ohio, that factory moved to mexico. he lost his job. he is happy working at the baseball bat factory, but feels that donald trump must keep his promises about jobs not going to
mexico. anderson. >> gary, thank you. thank you to everybody took their team to talk to you. just ahead in the next hour of 360, the white house standing by president trump's tweeltz, claiming president obama tapped his phones. the latest reaction from capitol hill next. i'm going to get you out of this chair. breton. you can use it online and on your phone. nope. it's been masterpassed. winning the little victories, priceless masterpass, the secure way to pay from your bank don't just buy it, masterpass it.