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president trump using the power of the oval office to push the obamacare replacement bill. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. opposition is fierce. especially for conservative republicans on capitol hill. and we'll hear from a woman who has relied on medicaid and fees gop plan is an attack on low income americans. does the president's plan hurt the president's base? we'll discuss it. and vice president mike pence
dodging a question about president trump's accusation that former president obama wire attempted phones of candidate trump at trump tower. i want to begin this tower with senior political analyst david gergen, alex stewart, political commentator ryan lizza, and political commentator, assistant editor at the "washington post." good evening. so glad to have you all on. you get the honors to be first, ryan. so thank you again for joining us. jim acosta reporting that at the president's meeting with tea party groups, that he told republicans skeptical of his plan, if it phase, he will let obamacare fail and then put the blame on the democrats. what kind of strategy is that just after this plan rolled out? >> it is pretty ominous sign for the legislation if he is already thinking through the strategy he's going to pursue if it is defeated, right?
also, by the time it is defeated and in the event that there is some kind of collapse in obamacare, a very risky strategy. barack obama is not around anymore. trump is president. he runs the federal government. obamacare is the federal government the responsibility so. on two fronts, it seems like not the wisest strategy in the world. you would think in a meeting like that, he is focused on one thing. trying convince those conservative skeptics of why they should support this plan when most of the right leaning groups have come out strongly against this. so i would chalk that reporting up as another indicator that this legislation has had a terrible rollout this week and is already on life support. >> not just the republican that's are against it. the new republican bill is causing an uproar in washington as well with the american medical association, with
235,000 members, every major hospital group has come out against this plan. that republicans had nearly eight years to come out with a plan. why roll out like the? >> i don't know. we asked the same question on the executive order on travel. i can't emphasize enough, seven presidents have tried to reform health care system. i worked for two of them. one a republican, richard nixon, second, bill clinton. it is very hard work and the only way you can get it done is carefully, deliberately, understanding this is over final% of our economy we're talking about. 15%. you have to go out and work all these groups, with the hospitals, the doctors, as well as the insurance companies. and they haven't done their homework. now they're trying to push through a bill in the house without telling the american people. without themselves even knowing how much it will cost and how many people will lose their insurance. >> were they overconfident? they thought publics would fall
in line? >> i think they're playing politics. they thought, we have the president, we have the white house. for the first time, we have the opportunity to do this. let's ram it through the house and we'll take our chances in the senate. it is a terrible way to run the government. >> do you think that they're overplaying their hand or they were too confident? he said it is a lot of our budget. a lot of our economy we're talking about here. maybe he was thinking, he has the house, the senate and the white house. >> he has to have the bottom line covered. until we have this plan scored by the budget office, it is pre mature to understand how this will affect budget. i'm going to be optimistic and think that this will be donald trump's greatest display of the after the deal that he's ever had. it will take some great deal making for this to work out with the skeptical conservatives and those that support this bill. there's a lot of distance between these two sides.
and there will have to be give and take. for this to be successful, there has to be some tough negotiating, some arm twisting. it is critical. all of these republican that's ran on repealing and replacing boe obamacare. fist not successle, there will be serious consequences when they're up for re-election. >> now they're going home and facing the town hawes. a lot of people don't want, if it is repealed. some of them don't want repeal and replace. i spoke with mark south african. he said they're worried about caps. that's what is in obamacare. they're worried about 26 years old. staying in obamacare. and they're worried about pre existing conditions. that's already in obamacare. the expansion of medicaid.
that's already in. they're damned if they do, damned if they zmoenlt. >> who who knew that health care could be this complicated? yeah. republicans are in this jam right now. as you just laid out there, there are parts of obamacare are popular with most segments of the pop sxlags they want to keep those without getting rid of the parts like the individual mandate and the less popular features that people don't like. but they were put together in this very admittedly complicated bill from september 2009 when the bill was introduced, to february, march of 2010 when the bill was signed. there was this long pitched battle. and it seeps like the trump team has forgotten how much went into it. i heard bill kristol talk about how president trump would do well to roll this out more methodically. not try to jam it through the
house. so much went into this before. whether people like the bill or not. you can't say the obama administration didn't give a full force effort to getting it passed. it is not clear that trump is prepared to do that. >> no one wants their name on this. and it is surprising that donald trump, president trump doesn't want his name on it? he wants his name on everything. we have he to keep in mind, it was initially called the affordable care act. or the aca. and republicans dubbed it obamacare to make it, to slander the bill, right? to make it an insult. so kellyanne conway was asked if the new bill would be called trumpcare. this is her response. >> i'll call it trumpcare if you want to. i didn't hear president trump say to any of us, i want my name on it. we're happy it is health care. this is serious stuff.
>> he doesn't want to own this. and he said if this phase, he will let it play itself out so that democrats can own it. >> that's one of the most surprising things i've heard from an american flepresident i long, long time of the he cannot let it collapse without replacing with it something. you have 20 million people who are cast into uncertainty. your responsibility is to the people. not to the politics. what they have to do, they're trying to get this passed in a political way without having a deliberative conversation with the american people about, here's what we're proposing. here's what it will cost. here's how it will affect you personally so the people have some reinsurance. you don't have people living in uncertainty and fearful. >> we'll continue to have them on until it is hashed out. >> at the same time this is happening, the they're fighting
another war. four senators went to cia headquarters to pour over raw intelligence and it will include the wiretap allegations. fwhams they find president made a false claim with no proof? >> i think you have some senators up there, especially lindsay graham who has taken president's offer very seriously. that the congress should investigate his claim that there has been no substantiation of yet. and i think it will be reported by some of the responsibility senators up there who are seriously looking into there stuff. they want to get to the bottom of it. they want to know if the president lied to the american people or not with one of the most grave allegations could you possibly level at another president. that he illegally conducted surveillance against a may know presidential candidate. there's nothing more serious than that. and i don't think we in the media and i don't think congress should give up until we have a definitive answer about whether
the president of the united states lied about that or not. this can't be something that gets swept under the rug and goes away. that would be bad for our democracy. >> i have to ask you, and i know you'll be honest with me. do you think the president will come to regret accusation? >> i think you have to be careful what you wish for because you might get it. he is going to have an investigation into this. look, i would like to think that there are no connections between the campaign and russia. i would like to think that there is a lot of what we're hearing just doesn't play out. but it looks as though there might be some there, there. when we're hearing from these members of congress that have seen many classified information, there seems to be some indication there mean something there. so it remains to be seen, like the trump administration wants this investigation. let's get all the zpakts see how it plays out.
i think it is extremely disconcertaining to level a claim against president obama without having the exact information and all the data that you need to back it up. i would like to think it is not true. if he's going to say something like that, it needs to hold water. >> i think one thing we should all keep in mind. there is a very easy way to if i goett out would you a long drawn investigation. without costing americans a lot of money. make phone call. i think that says everything. so one more and we'll talk about the border crossings. another of the president's main promises was to build a wall. tonight the department of holeland security says there is an unprecedented decline in illegal border crossings, down 40% so far in 2017. so is there any justification left to spend a massive amount of money on that? we could be spending it on health care. david? >> from the point of view of
trump supporters, there is. this was one of the core promises of trump's campaign. they don't like the idea of a wall or cracking down on border enforcement. interdicting drugs or national security, i think the trump administration has a ways to go before they can say to the american people, look. if we put 20 billion or more into the wall, this is what you'll get out of it. there are people who disagree but the administration has gotten this far on the idea that the wall will be the difference between safety and security and not. and they really haven't quite gone throughout and made their case. >> i think you have to give them credit if it has gone down 40%. we may not need a wall. other things, get credit for it. >> i'll to have name my davids
when i have two of them. i don't want to call dl. >> there are some campaign promises you can kind of fudge. there will either be a wall in 2020 when he runs or not, right? and he will be able to point to it or he won't. >> guess who came for dinner at the white house. and on intel women's day, president trump tweets that he has tremendous respect for women but he is getting some flak for that.
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>> thank you. nice to see you. >> happy international women's day. >> so i have a panel full of ladies. so let's talk about heidi cruz at dinner tonight with the first lady and the president at the white house. do you remember when president trump tweeted this out. no need to spill the beans. the images are worth a thousand words. he said he was upset because he thought cruz was running a campaign with the photo of mediclani melania. what do you think went down? >> i think, i hope there were some apologies at that point. i remember, it was about a year ago when that all happened and people were aghast that the president of someone it's who have running for the presidency would be so vicious and immature and tweet something like that out about a rival's wife.
it was just really very, very sixth grade. and yet, ted cruz seemed to put all that aside for political reasons. i like ted cruz and i agree with him on a lot of policy issues, most of them. but i couldn't believe how he was willing to cast aside all the things donald trump said about his his wife. which was terribly sexist. his father ask the kennedy assassination and those implications, flat out lying. and he lied at that point about accusing ted cruz' campaign of putting that out. there was no wlaefd so ever. it was a tactic. it was something that we should have known was coming. he lost by a significant number -- that's okay. donald trump lost by a significant number in utah the night before when that tweet
came out. so he dm like that they got by him by 68%. so we can talk about what his actions are. >> what i see happening with all due respect, that once the campaign is over, it is really the job of everyone in america to help the president succeed. when you see the president having a meeting today with elijah cummings who has been very critical of him. having lunch yesterday with lindsey graham who has raked hill over the coals over and over again. his job is to govern and the job of everyone around him, particularly in politics, to reach across the aisle, forget grudges and do their best to make it work. >> okay. i understand what you're saying. >> going to the white house and being in the company of the person who insulted your wife. he never said anything
disparnging about elegion a cummings' wife. >> he is unqualified to be president. >> that's not disparaging. that's true. two things going on. i first, i did once upon a time before 2016 think that the republicans were the supposed party of consistent high moral standards. that's how they sold themselves. so that seems to be out the window. the other thing is i think we should go back to the pat person my friend tara pointed out. distraction, distraction, distraction. he doesn't want us talking about his ludicrous allegations. he doesn't want to talk about the russia connections between his campaign and -- >> and ted cruz and heidi. it works. because we're all doing it. i mean, come on! >> he has legislation to sell. and ted cruz is one of the major
conservatives in the senate. and it is very important that he brings as many of those people to his side as possible. >> becky, help me understand this. eventually in the "new york times," the president sort of apologized. he said yeah, it was a mistake. if i had to do it over, i wouldn't have done it. is this nonpolitics it sfwhorks. >> i think it only works with donald trump. i think he is the most outrageous person we've seen. certainly the most outrageous president. and i think people get a kick out of him. he is good entertainment. so i think whatever -- and i think people are critical of other people. he might say what others are thinking. >> how about when someone compared hes wife. as a psychologist. how does one become that forgiving?
>> who knows if he is forgiving. he could be just tolerating it because it is in his own self-interests. >> ted cruz is a politician like everyone else. why he gave that press conference where i was cheering him. on he just unleashed on donald trump and called it as he saw it. and then a couple weeks later, baby, look at him now. we have to work together. >> and we'll be right back. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. to take advantage of this offer on a volvo s90, visit your local dealer.
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>> and you're all here working. >> we're having fun. >> i was going to say something. >> you're working women. >> it's going downhill fast. >> the president said, i have tremendous respect for weapon and the many roles they serve that are vital to our society and the economy. join me in honoring the critical role of women here in america and around the world. >> yes! >> i feel critical. i feel extra critical. thanks to donald trump, i feel more critical than ever. he's right. we play a critical role in this country and more and more of russ standing up to criticize him and the ways in which he is rolling back and representing a roll back. not only women's rights but in fairness, equality, the ideas that have helped women advance and everyone in our society advance. he is right. we're more critical than ever. >> the problem is he has pitted women against women. i think that's a real problem at
this point of the. >> i think that women's day, many women have felt left out. they feel, i can't leave my job. this is elitist. and those are the women that identify with trump. and i think women have to be outraged but also, outreach. we have to bring all women into this. otherwise, i don't think it will work. >> hold on. his comments, you know, it was on twitter. the twitter verse blew up and the internet blew up. a lot of peep weople were quick remember. >> eye go backstage before a show and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everything else. and no men are anywhere. i'm allowed to go in and i'm the owner of the pagtent. i'm inspecting it. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account -- >> only rosie o'donnell.
she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you can and see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she would get 5% of the vote. the only thing she's got going is the women. >> i'm standing at my podium and she walks in front of me. right? she walks in front of me. when she walked in front of me, believe me, i wasn't impressed. >> contribution will go you, as will donald's, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. >> such a nasty woman. >> -- trust fund. >> wait a minute. i did try [ bleep ] she was married. >> nancy? and i moved on her very heavily. i took her out furniture shopping. she twoonltd get some furniture. i said i'll show you where they have nice furniture. i moved on her like a [ bleep ] and she was married.
i see her. she now, she's totally changed her looks. i start kissing her. i'm automatically attracted. i just start kissing them. like a magnet. when you're a star, they let you do it. do you know anything. grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> anything. >> listening to that reminds me of how dismayed i became throughout this campaign watching fellow conservative women, evangelicals, christian women, people in my party who claim to be as sally mentioned before, the moral majority. we were supposed to be the standard bearers of decency. and they excused this away. and i, it makes my stomach turn to know that the, that person was rewarded with the presidency of the united states. and we really need to take a look at ourselves, women of
every single one of women like you who supported donald trump. they need to really think about what standards are they setting moving forward. who our leaders are supposed to be. who are supposed to be the role models for our daughters and how do you square that. i don't know how we put the genie back in the bottle. >> i have three daughters is that two grand daughters. and let's face it. i've been a woman all my life. i still support donald trump. i wasn't going to make the decision just based on political correctness. >> so it doesn't matter. >> policies matter. >> i was not going on vote for that criminal, hillary clinton. it was a choice between two people. >> because he engaged in criminal sexual it. >> about russia, sexism. you're missing the big story. >> so if it was a democrat -- >> there was a deregulation revolution going on in
washington. no, no. let me explain. as a woman, the economy is the most important issue for me. i have three children -- >> i understand that. >> we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> i'm sorry. the other candidate was going to destroy our country. >> you said you weren't going to vote for that criminal. what was the evidence? hillary clinton has never been convicted of anything. there is also evidence that donald trump may have -- >> i drew the conclusion based on what the evidence we had on how she exploited her role in the senate, bringing in money, selling influence, i was not going to allow that woman as far as i could -- >> broad cases against donald trump. >> i'm sorry. >> i did not think that was as important as what hillary clinton -- furthermore i believe donald trump will bring this country, restore economic growth in this country. and that will mean real opportunity for my children. >> good luck with that. but listen.
i sat -- >> take a look at the markets. over 21,000. >> i omd this network time and time again and criticized hillary clinton when she deserved criticism of the it was wrong of her to have the private e-mail server. i can say it and still support her. if you here today with three daughters tell me -- >> one daughter. >> tell me and my daughter that i don't care, how you support his policies, good for you. that is your right. but that is not acceptable. the one thing i will say, i suppose in some per verse sense of the word, we have donald trump to thank for reminding women why we still need feminism why we still need to fight for being equally respected. when the president can't even do it. >> i think that it is very sad that hillary was blapd for bill's fault, she was blamed for these e-mails, when in fact she was convicted of nothing. i think that women don't like other women.
if they are above them. i think that in fact women feel very threatened by successful women. and i think your honor, there's a piece called the queen bee that i wrote about women who are in business. who put other women down. there's no finger prints. there's nothing to prove. they can't to go hr. there's a constant way of making a woman feel that she is not good enough. >> i would be delighted to vote for a woman for president. i hope i get to do that in my life. >> for the sake of the country -- >> maybe vote for someone who has no respect for women. >> nibble his policies, not hillary clinton. he is going to be a great president. >> who me? ico. what took you so long? i know, i saved a ton of money on car insurance. that's what i'm talking about! geico also gives you 24/7 access to licensed agents!
journalist and russian media expert. so good to have both of you back on. i want to you listen to vice president pence talking about whether he believes president trump's wiretapping claims. >> well, what i can say is that the president he, our administration, are very confident that the congressional committee in the house and senate that are examining issues surrounding the last election, the run up to the last election, will do that in a thorough and equitable way. they'll look at those issues and other issues that have been raised. but rest assured, our focus is right where the american people are focused. and that's on bringing more jobs here to ohio. creating a better health care system built on consumer choice. >> so nate, that was a total and complete dodge that anyone has ever seen one. but the vice president can't exactly come out and say, i have no idea what he's talking about. he is out in left field. he can't do that, can he? >> i think it would not be good for our country if the vice
president it's will continued that tactful i think at this point the vice president will have to remain much more presidential. he doesn't really have a choice at this point. >> yeah. >> liz, there's obviously so many unanswered questions about this. about many aspects of this investigation. pumped president trump's approach to the truth could not be better, that it could be a better situation for russia because they've been attempting to disrun american values for years. >> sure. there's something that russia watchers call the divide and rule principle. to exploit existing divisions and make it so the population just attacks each other. and so that kind of makes it so the spotlight is off you and what you're doing. the way that i see it, the lens that i see it through, i think it is very troubling. i see the parallels in the way that trump, the way he views
reality. and the way he dismisses reality and he tries to shape reality. and the total dismissal of facts. this is something that happens in authoritarian regimes. to try to engender this lack of just in the media. here where it gets more troubling, not only encouraging the lack of trust in the media but also our own intelligence agencies. >> the question is, it seems like from what you're saying, they've already won. what is it that did turn up? this investigation would turn up, further bad actions on the part of russia? would there be any consequences besides hispanics we've been placing on them? or have they already won? >> well, i think if their goal has been to create chaos and to sow division, in that indication, they have won. i mean, i've seen the way that russia has tried to ma anymore
late existing grievances and existing problems in our society. and i don't think there could be honestly a better mouthpiece or a better propaganda piece than the president himself. for years, it has been russians trying create this lack of trust in our system. and they're not only doing it here now. they've moved on to france. and to the netherlands and popping up extremists, the alt right parties there. so it is a strategy. and we see, this is what -- i think that we need to focus on it. we can't lose site of the story. the story is that according to our intelligence community, russia hacked our election. interfered in our electoral democratic process and to investigate these ties to russia. so these completely bogus baseless claims are completely meant to deflect what i describe the way russian disinformation
works, i say deny, deflect ask desort. >> i want to get nada back in here. the senator has even more questions after pouring over classified information. he would not say if evidence shows trump's camp clueded with the russians. >> what do you make of it? >> well, they at least need to do an investigation. it sounds like there's enough for congress to dig through. it sounds like an independent investigation would be warranted at this point. for the last 16 years, the u.s. administration's both under [ and president obama, made an attempt to become an ally with russia and get to know putin and they regretted it. and putin is putin. he is a spy, first and foremost. he will take advantage of the relationship. he will steal your wallet as
soon as you turn your back. so trump isn't the first president to try this. it is just that he is different in the fact we aren't seeing seasoned professionals understand how russia plays the espionage case. >> lindsey graham says he is ready to subpoena the intelligence agencies. do you think that's a smart move? >> i think at this point it needs to be in the hands of doj and an independent investigator. i'm not sure if subpoenaing is the right move but i think we do need some kind of forth right investigation. and i'm hoping if they do the subpoena, we can at least have some kind of unclassified executive summary that will at the us what the findings are. >> thank you. appreciate it. coming up, the real life impact of obamacare. voters are concerned and letting their voices be heard.
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many american who is rely on obamacare are expressing concern about the gop plan to repeal and replace it. via skype, jesse participated in a recent town hall about obamacare. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> you confronted diane black at a town hall. let's listen. >> my whole philosophy in life, the individual mandate, that's what it does. the healthy people pull this up. if we take those people and put them in high risk insurance polls, they are costlier and there is less coverage for me. that's the way it has been in the past and that's the way it will be again. we are effectively punishing our sickest people.
why not instead of fix what's wrong with obamacare make companies like aetna who lied to consumers and lied about why they pulled out and said they pulled out because obamacare was too expensive and they pulled out because of a merger. expand medicaid. >> what do you think about the new bill? it's being scorned by men medical groups with liberals and many conservatives. what do you think? >> well, i'm shocked and i think this bill takes away the right to health and dignity for poor people and older people and for children. it takes health and dignity for those who make millions of
dollars. >> what do you think of the role that government is providing and government should provide people health care? >> i think the government is change charged with ensuring justice and when people have to live in abject conditions in the richest country in the world, that is an injustice that has to be correct and it's the government's responsibility to do that. >> i thought about your remark who is both say obamacare saved their lives. watch this. >> i'm really disappointed that the new takes more about profits and tax cuts more than it does about patient protections and expanding health care coverage for every american. >> my biggest concern is that it
just -- it's so hard to put into words and it seems like punishment and we are reduced to extremely high premiums and reduced to crowd funding and the surcharge and the penalty. it says our lawmakers don't care about the marginalized among us and don't care if we live our die. it will make that much more of a financial and psychological burden. when you are ill, it's worse. >> jesse, what's your reaction? >> yeah, i totally agree with that. this feels like an attack on poor people. so many people have reached out to me since that video of mine went viral.
people be diabetes and older people worry that they will have to give up on having care. small business owners worry that they will have to shut down shock so they can buy health insurance. mothers are worried about their children if the state slices medicate. a lady has a genetic disorder and worried he will be denied surgeries that keep her alive and she passed on this disorder unknowingly to her children. she is worried they will be denied services when the state slashed medicate. that's a real thing that is happening. children with long-term disabilities are not getting the care and the surgeries and the medicine they need. >> you live in tennessee where a lot pulled out of the market
place. the president and paul ryan the house speaker is making it. is that obamacare is in collapse. is that what you see in your state? >> there are places in tennessee where as it stands now there will be zero insurers on the exchange. that's a good part because my state actively sabotaged the aca here. there were advocates who had to sue for the right to talk to people about obamacare and a big part of the aca was attracting young and healthy people to the exchanges. in my state they had to sue to talk to people about it and they didn't -- people bought transitional health plans and they refused to move those people who bought transitional health plans before the aca was
implemented into the market place and they refused to expand medicate. states like tennessee on average have insurance market places made up of 40% of people who would have been covered under the medicaid expansion. >> you called and said you feel like this plan is a personal attack. we thank you so much for joining us, jesse. bust of luck to you. we will check back with you. >> okay. >> thank you so much for watching. i will see you back here tomorrow. we continue with our coverage in los angeles.