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customers. the missouri republican said that the sun causes most cancer, suggesting? >> why have they not proposed a tax on the sun? >> it used to be orange is the new tax, but now it's the new president. better a cream sickle than? >> she is burned up! >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn, new york. thank you for joining us, "ac360" starts now. good evening, thank you for joining us, tonight were computer servers and a russian bank communicating with each other? last week, the allegations were president obama was accused of tapping phones, and several other house and counter parts met today with fbi director james comey. more on that, let's turn to pamela brown, and our investigators have been looking
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into it. pam, what have you learned about the investigation? >> well, anderson we learned that the fbi investigators and computer scientists continued to examine whether there is a computer connection between the trump administration and a russian bank called alpha bank, according to several sources familiar with the investigation. now this is the same information from the breitbart investigation, regarding investigators who were alleged to have tapped his phone. cnn was told there was no warrant on this server. questions about the server and the russian bank were widely dismissed four months ago as an attempt to buy alpha bank to block spam. but we're learning the same team looking into the russian suspected interference and the 2016 element is still examining it. they say the relationship is odd, investigators are not ignoring it but the fbi still has a lot more work to do to determine what was behind the unusual activity and whether
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there was any significance to it. the fbi declined to comment and the white house did not respond to our requests for comment, anderson. >> so jose, it's kind of confusing, explain what was odd about these communications between this russian bank. >> sure, this can get pretty technical fast, what is so odd about the communication here is that this russian bank repeatedly looked up the unique internet address of a particular server in the u.s. being used by the trump administration. the computer world, it's the same as looking up somebody's phone number, over and over again, while there is not necessarily a phone call it usually indicates an intention to communicate, according to several scientists we spoke to. now a group we spoke to talked about the leaked records, they were puzzled as to why the russian bank was doing this. now, last summer during the presidential campaign, the russian bank looked up the address to this trump corporate
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server multiple times, more than any other source. the only group looking into it, was the chain regarding betsy devos, those two entities made 900 lookups. the investigators we spoke to found it weird. all the people we spoke to said they never had communications with the russians, and they don't have proof and don't agree what the explanation is, the russian bank believes it received trump hotel information last summer, meanwhile, the american marketing company that would have been sending trump e-mails said it was not doing it at the time. and alpha bank, for its part stressed that not a single executive has not had any a filllation at all with the trump
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organization, they say their principals have not had any communication with trump organization, so this computer information remains a mystery. >> so as that story broke late this afternoon, fbi director james comey was discussing the gang of 8, and the ranking members of the intelligence committees. more from the capital, so what do we know about the briefing? do we know at all what was discussed? >> we know they talked about russia, anderson, part of this growing investigation on capitol hill into russia as well as the fbi inquiry that is happening, about russia's attempts to influence the election, and whether or not there were any improper contacts that occurred between the associates and people tied to the kremlin in any way. now emerging from the briefing all eight of the members who get the most sensitive information on capitol hill were closed lip and would not answer a single
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question. they had an opportunity to also ask comey about an issue that he has been in the middle of since zur donald trump tweeted over the weekend he was spied on by president obama, we learned that comey himself was upset at those tweets and actually asked the main justice department to knock down the story that there was perhaps spying going on. this is an opportunity for the members themselves to ask if there was any evidence of donald trump's claims to have been spied on, we don't know the answer quite yet. but clearly an opportunity to look into that. and also the broader issue of russia, which is at the heart of what members of congress are looking into right now. >> and march 20th, comey is going to be testifying publicly, correct? >> that is right. >> but it will be the first public hearing, too, anderson of the house intelligence committee with a number of other members, intelligence officials to talk about these issues further. and the top democrat, adam schiff, wants to press on this. >> what is the latest there,
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where do they stand? >> well, right now members in the house and senate who sit on the intelligence committee are heading to virginia to comb through raw data that the cia is providing about what happened during the elections, what i'm told from a number of senators who sit on the committee they have learned a lot about the russian attempts to influence the elections, but one thing they're trying to do is figure out whether or not the trump associates in any way occluded or worked with the russians in any way. they want to hear directly from trump officials who apparently had discussions with russian officials, including paul manafort, the campaign committee chairman, and michael flynn who was the national security adviser who resigned recently after the discussions with the russian ambassador came to light. so they're even open, anderson, to the issue of subpoenas to have them testify and answer the
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questions in closed door setting if they don't agree to the committee's request to talk to them. another thing, tax returns also on the issue, some members of the democrats and republicans want to get donald trump's tax returns to see if there is any financial ties. also, the subpoena may be difficult to achieve but something they pay look at also. >> adam schiff is the ranking democrat on the committee. when i spoke to him, director comey had met with the senate counterparts. >> i want to get your reaction to new investigation that they continued to examine whether there was a computer server connection between the trump administration and a russian bank and that is according to sources close to the investigation. do you know anything about that? >> well, i can only say this. i'm certainly aware of the public reports going back now some months about an alleged
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connection between alpha bank servers and potentially a server linked with the trump administration. and i can say what i think the questions we ought to be requesting in the committee, i can't tell you what answers we may or may not be receiving. but i think we need to determine if the allegations are credible, if they were investigated by authorities and if so what have they found? did they reach a conclusion or is that investigation ongoing. what leads remain to be tracked down. so these are the kind of questions that our committee ought to be asking. but again, i can't go into anything that we are able to find out into the conclusion of the investigation. >> it certainly seems as if there could be a completely benign explanation for this. >> you know, i certainly reserve judgment in terms of whether this is completely benign or whether there is something more here. that is exactly i think what we need to determine. and you know, this alpha bank
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issue is just one of many issues that we have been reading about in the open press for some months now. and again, i don't think we want to predetermine where the conclusion will be. and what merit any of these allegations have. but if they are credible, then i think it's our responsibility on the committee to determine whether they have been adequately vetted. what we know and whether there is further investigation that needs to be done. >> cnn has also told, i want to be precise about the reporting, there was an article in breitbart regarding president obama of tapping president trump's phone. does any of that, or if you can say, does any of that align with what you believe the president's motivations were about lashing out at former president obama? >> anderson, i can only say i have really no idea what caused president trump to assert that his predecessor was engaged in that type of criminality.
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it seems completely divorced from reality. so i really have no idea where it came from. it's pretty clear that is true of my republican colleagues as well and indeed many in the white house. you know when sean spicer doesn't want to talk about it, not even he can spin this kind of specious allegation. >> you think that is why the white house is saying look, we're not going to talk about it any more, it's going to be investigated by congress. >> absolutely, they have no way to defend these remarks, they were so incendiary and out of bounds, the best they could do is say let's give it to the investigative committees and please don't ask us about it any more. but as i mentioned before, be careful what you wish for. we're going to have an open hearing now, this will be one of the topics we'll be able to ask the director of the fbi very directly. if, in fact, he wanted the justice department to refute this and they were unwilling, he will have the opportunity to do it himself. >> the cia is reporting that
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they're meeting with the gang of 8, the house intelligence meeting, i know there is a lot you can't discuss about that. i do have to ask what do you want to ask him about president trump's wiretap accusation? >> well, i can't you know at all comment on the gang of 8 meetings. i can say in terms of what we look for in terms of from the director, the fbi, both in committee and as generally as a member of the gang of 8, as a general matter as part of the gang of 8 we want to be informed on a periodic investigation of the meetings going on in the country. the bureau, that is the practice, we want to make sure that is adhered to and is complete. the committee, there is no way to discharge our responsibilities if the fbi is not willing to cooperate with us and tell us about any
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counterintelligence investigation. that is what i underscored with the director, it's my hope when he comes back to the committee we'll have a fuller discussion of what, if any the issues the fbi has looked into it. >> congressman schiff, appreciate your time. all right, let's bring in the panel. jeffrey lord and kirsten powers. a bakari sellers is here, rod, let me start with you. you're the cyber expert. does this server activity between this russian bank and the trump administration, does it seem odd to you in any way? that is the word used before i one of cnn's sources? >> it does seem odd, and especially, there are a few points here that just don't line up with conventional internet trafficking and how the dns
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behaves. so for example, the allegation is that these were just requests sent back to the trump administration, maybe in response to spam. that argument doesn't hold water for me, because if there was spam it would have gone to hundreds of thousands of people around the world. all of the installations would have been sent back to that server. it doesn't quite line up for me even though i request the firm, absolutely professional, this is a question i think needs to be drilled on, which why were not other systems sending that messages during the time period. >> it's confusing for folks like me who are not computer experts and who are in fact morons with computers, just try to dumb it down a little for me.
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but if this bank was sending 2800 basically requests for a phone number or lookups to this trump administration server, why would a bank do that? why would anybody need to send so many? >> sure, a reason would be if a bank employee of alpha bank set up used their corporate e-mail address, like sergey, if they set up an e-mail account at a trump hotel or somewhere else to receive information, if that spam came in, it would be going to the bank's server. so anybody that used a hotel address could receive spam from different parties. again, i don't know how this trump e-mail was being used, but again that would be a possibility. >> and they're not sure where the spam is coming from, so for secure they want to check and that is why i guess they're pinging the trump server? >> exactly, they're trying to
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figure out is it spam or a trojan horse or malware, getting somebody to click on something that may not be coming from the trump administration or from a hacker who sent the fake e-mail, like the fake e-mail attempts. it is not very natural, it would only come from one bank, and should not go all over the world. it raises questions, there are areas where the story doesn't line up. you know the information doesn't line up from what we expect as normal. >> would you expect -- if computer experts had been able to find this sort of pinging, would they be able to find if there was e-mail trafficking between the bank -- >> potentially, a lookup is one specific type of what we call dnsquery. >> what is dns? >> the way the internet works we
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type in a name like, the system converts that to an internet protocol, the long address with the numbers, like the postage system between the internet to simplify. so people understand how can this dns information be captured by different parties that question went from alpha bank and went to the trump organization server in pennsylvania. and it had to go to the registry so all names in the world are held to this registry. they respond to that question, by the way. by that query hops through the internet, it could have gone through the servers in moscow, the netherlands, new york, before it got to pennsylvania. anybody could keep a record. that is presumably where this data came from. some parties are keeping logs, what we call record logs, they
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saw this traffic and then they began to work together. so but it's -- it's just little bit odd that there is so much traffic from this one bank and not from other places. >> now -- >> so you said -- >> yeah, the other thing i want to mention is if there was -- if this was a real intelligence operation of any sort or any sophisticated hacker, they would never be doing 2800 lookups. so in terms of a theory that maybe this is about some you know, conspiracy between the russian government and the trump political campaign, you know that is hard to believe, too, any hacker worth their salt wouldn't do a lookup 2800 times. once is enough. and they cover their tracks on that. >> right, if somebody in that bank is trying to cover their tracks and have a secret channel to someone else this is not the way to do it. >> exactly right, they would be using a vpn, a virtual private network, trying to hide the evidence.
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that is not the case. so this argues any suggestion that there was malfeasance here. but anyway, this story is a little bit odd. and new legal action on trying to block. we'll tell you about that tonight on "ac360." with advil, you'll ask what twisted ankle? what muscle strain? advil makes pain a distant memory nothing works faster stronger or longer what pain? advil.
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to our panel. how important is it to hear you think for the public to hear from james comey. because they will have that opportunity march 20th? >> well, i think it's very important. first of all it's important for the so-called gang of 8. the house and senate leaders who have special clearance. for them to hear from comey, too, because they have been complaining that he has basically been stonewalling them to a certain degree. and once donald trump tweeted last week, i think he lit a fire under members of the house and senate. and both parties saying look, we don't know enough about any of this. and gave them an opportunity to call comey in and say you know what, we need to learn a little more. and so that is why they're putting him in a public hearing. the democrats in particular have not forgotten that he was very public about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation during the campaign. and they sort of believe that he ought to be very forthcoming to the american public about this, and particularly about whether
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in fact donald trump may be under some sort of investigation and whether in fact, barack obama actually wiretapped him. >> kirsten, what are the stakes for the democrats and republicans? there are a lot of people with very high expectations on what some of these committees may discover and it's very possibly there may not be any there. there are smoke trails but no fire. >> i think the stakes are really high. there are certainly a lot of accusations that are made and a lot of different things that happened that have raised questions. but we don't know, if there is smoke, is there necessarily fire. even in the latest example with the server. this is way, way, way above my pay grade, first of all the server stuff. but if you think about it, really the trump administration even if they did communicate with the bank in russia, in effect, is not nefarious, the
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trump administration, even if they say they have not done business, does not mean they didn't want to. >> do you think they're over-playing their hand? >> not at all, there are a lot of questions that need to be answered but more importantly, this white house and this president has gone out of their way to erode credibility. and people are in the mode of birtherrism. and barack obama, and isis, and these lies that continue to come from the president's mouth. he has no credibility. a lot of democrats and the greatest twist of irony that will be written are now looking to james comey as this somehow independent arbiter of truth and saying what happened. when i say the president lied, i want to be clear, i think you owe it to the audience to explain what you mean. the president, the vice president, the chief of staff, his press secretary, kellyanne conway, have all gone out of their way to say that the
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campaign had no contact with russia. those words came out of their mouth. but now we know that carter page, the trump children, ambassador flynn, jeff sessions alle all have had contacts. so there is not a lot of credibility and the white house has had. so it's okay to say we simply want answers. >> i think if we're going to go down this road let's go down this. nancy pelosi said she never had met with the russian ambassador, and out pops the picture of nancy pelosi and the ambassador, if you haven't met an ambassador and you're an elected official, you have no business -- >> but you do have -- flynn talking on the phone to the russian ambassador -- >> who called who? >> yeah, but on the same day where the biggest story in the country is about hacking and
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basically -- >> let's get this out there and investigate. let's open up the whole thing. i mean, all of the business with computers and servers. let's investigate the servers of members of congress. how many contacts did they have with russia? >> i think you're just con sf f conflating the problems that many americans have. it's not that jeff sessions or -- >> jeff sessions did not lie about this. his answer -- >> the most memorable. >> about a cnn report. his answer was in relation to a question about a cnn report. and that is -- that was -- >> but jeffrey, the argument that he didn't meet with him as a surrogate of the trump administration, he met with him as a senator, that is like
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saying that you and i have only met when you're a political analyst trump supporter, but have i met you as somebody who used to work in the reagan white house, no, i only you met you sitting at this table. >> but it's not if you met him, it's what you said to each other. it's not just i ran into the russian ambassador who was at a speech i gave. it was as what was your conversation with him. and in fact, jeff sessions seemed to recall a lot about the ambassador during his press conference -- >> a lot more to talk about ahead, including the republican's revolt about the health care bill, and what is turning into a tough sell.
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planning to repeal and replace obamacare, cleared two committees today, one debate lasting 27 hours, the other 18, house speaker paul ryan scheduled a final vote for march 20th. the bill was introduced three days ago, with major opposition,
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hospital groups have slammed it, along with groups representing insurers. today the top medicaid official broke with his own party tweeting in support of those groups saying despite political messaging from others at hhs, i align with the experts at aafp, and well, you can read it yourself. in opposition to ahca. most democrats oppose the plan but some of of the strongest critics are republicans. and there is word tonight that the white house is lining up conservatives to line up the expansion, sooner than the gop bill current calls for. the deal making skills, may be ready to cut some deals to clinch a sale. jim acosta has more. >> reporter: president trump is running behind doors to sell the gop plan to repeal and replace obamacare. >> okay, thank you very much. >> reporter: tweeting despite what you hear in the press health care is coming along
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great, we are talking to many groups and it will end in a beautiful picture. but that is not the picture painted by conservative critics, from tom cotton, to my friends in the house, pause, start over, get it right don't get it fast. to tea party groups who call that proposal obamacare-lite. >> they're not going to fully repeal it, they will break their word to the american people. >> part of the frustration the white house and republican leaders are trying to race the plan through congress, moving the bill through two house committees before the non-partisan budget congressional office has a chance to oppose the costs, a score the senate majority wants to see. the white house insists there is no rush. >> we're not jamming this down people's throat. we're welcoming ideas and thoughts. we believe it is a great vehicle to restore the patient-centered health care bill, to drive down costs. >> house speaker paul ryan wore the message of urgency on his
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rolled up sleeves, prodding lawmakers by power point. >> let's get into why this needs to happen and why it needs to happen now. options are disappearing fast. this law is in the middle of a collapse and people are quickly losing their choices. >> president trump was in a group that were helping their opponents, but he says if the gop fails, he plans to let obamacare collapse and then blame democrats who dismissed the white house strategy. >> it indicates the president doesn't know what he is talking about when he talks about affordable care act. >> that was jim acosta reporting. kirsten when you hear this idea of president trump letting it just collapse, he says and blaming it on democrats what do you make of it? >> i don't know what he is talking about it. if he doesn't do something then the plan will continue to stay in place and people will continue to have health care. so i guess it only works if you
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buy into the idea that obamacare is imploding. i think there are problems with obamacare, no question, i think there are ways to make it better. but it's actually not spiraling out of control, as paul ryan said. his message today was, this is our only chance, our last chance, if we don't do it now it will never happen. it seems he is imploring democrats to just do something, even though the plan that he has they don't like it and they don't really even believe in the idea of a moral imperative for health care anyway. they believe it's something the free market should be handling. and so the more they try to appease the tea party members, the freedom caucus, the harder it is to go through the congress. >> and donald trump quoting what a member of his party said, he is still a neophyte to politics,
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that is not how the game works, it rests on the republican house and senate. it will not all of a sudden fall on the democrats because the republican-controlled house could not get something passed. the idea about this bill, keeping kids on insurance until 26, the moderate insurance in places like ohio and elsewhere, the fact we have maternity care and pre-natal care, the fact is we have the lowest abortion rates and uninsured rates in the country. anybody that tells you obamacare doesn't have problems is not awake, it needs to be fixed. however, there are many good things to come from it and this repeal and replace is the wrong action. >> and the notion they're not trying to push this through is
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ridiculous. they are, they don't want to go home for another break and get hit by their constituents when they have not actually done something, and they also want to put it in a budget bill so they can pass it with 50 votes as opposed to a super majority. so they are trying to pass it through. when else would you pass a major lifechanging piece of legislation like this without knowing what it costs. >> what do you know about the white house basically looking to get behind this idea of rolling back the medicaid expansion, sooner than the gop bill. >> i think they're listening to conservatives. anderson, i have to tell you, i'm a little surprised here. this has been on the republican agenda for eight years. and it would seem to me, election won, election over, that these members of congress should have gotten all of these people, the conservatives, the moderates, whatever, republicans in a room and hammered it out so that on day one this proposal was out there.
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that is clearly not what happened. and what further surprises me, i mean, i'm a regular listener to sean hannity's radio show. and i'm listening to the caucus saying they didn't see this stuff or get this stuff, i'm listening to speaker ryan say oh, they were all involved. that at the end of the day is a bad thing. they should have their act together. the president should step in and go with it. >> but i think they concluded they couldn't get forgotten, because there is such disagreement in the caucus. they made this decision the only way they could have any chance is just to do exactly what they're doing is putting a bill out and try to strong arm people to vote for it, because if they had gotten in a room they would have all yelled at each other. >> the democrats are now learning how to become an opposition party and the republicans are trying to figure out how to govern, to steal a paraphrase from paul ryan. the fact is, the president
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himself, this is very simple. the president himself says he will put forth a plan that covers all americans, those are words that came out of his mouth. we now know that the plan will cover six to 10 million fewer individuals. we don't even know how much it will cost. the democrat party rushed it through, i will admit in 2008 rushed it through. the vote was on christmas eve, we had over 100 hearings and witnesses -- >> that was not rushed. >> the point is republicans have never agreed on health care to your point. they have been all over the place. john boehner knows it, that is why he is not speaker of the house any more. they knew they had these differences going in, and the question is whether you can help conservatives by saying okay, on medicaid it will kick in two years earlier, the governors are going to go nuts over this. up next, breaking news over the travel ban, the governor of
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a new legal showdown over president trump's new travel ban. tonight, washington state is asking a federal judge to apply the temporary injunction issued last month on the president's n initial ban to the revised ban. under the orders, muslims from six countries will be banned, iraq no longer on the list. also refugees would be banned for 120 days, now washington
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state believes there are still flaws with the travel ban. let's talk to attorney general bob ferguson, great to see you again. so why should the previous order apply, as well as the new one, because basically they took out some of the things the judge objected to? >> yeah, thank you for having me on, anderson, and the short answer is that two of the key provisions of the travel ban, that is the refugee ban and now the six-nation ban, if you compare the original executive order with the revised one the language is almost identical. so as a result while the new ban has narrowed the scope of people impacted by it, those provisions are still in place and negatively impact the people of my state. therefore the feeling that the order is still in place and applies to the new executive order. >> so will you have some of the same businesses backing you up as you had the first time?
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>> yeah, it's premature to say, we're obviously in touch with businesses like expedia and amazon. we're also talking to our universities, things are pretty fluid, you will see arguments from us, if we have another hearing. >> are you arguing this is a muslim ban? >> yeah, essentially that is exactly right. you don't have to take my word for it, just look at the words that donald trump said when he was campaigning, rudy giuliani said he was asking to create a muslim ban but just to make it legal. we're looking forward to getting more documents and looking at e-mails to strengthen our case to make it effective that this is a muslim ban. >> and washington state, hawaii, sorry, you're not joining them in their lawsuit? >> no, hawaii is something
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separate. they're seeking a temporary restraining order. our argument is we already have one, the judge already has one in place, our argument, we now have been joined by oregon and new york and massachusetts announced today they would join our litigation as well. they really feel the coalition is joining them. >> bob, you have -- the administration has made clear that the reason these six countries were chosen, was that they have either supported terrorism or have no functioning government so we can't know who is coming here. why aren't those legitimate reasons to bar their refugees? >> well, you can look at homeland security, right? they issued a report made public not very long ago that said national origin is not a particularly good basis for determining national security. and yes, they put forth evidence, but we believe the evidence is quite strong that
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the motivation for this ban was a muslim ban. so we have evidence from bipartisan groups, including the former cia director george w. bush, saying this will be a negative for national security. >> but why should we ask a judge to protect national security instead of the people who are charged with defending national security? the secretary of homeland security, the attorney general, the secretary of state. they're the ones with access to the current information. why aren't their views better to rely on than some judge sitting in seattle? >> that's an important question. there is great deference, as you well know, given to any president with executive orders. that is how the system works. but those powers despite what the justice department has argued are not unreviewable. just to be clear, the federal government is argue, their lawyers are arguing that no court can examine what the president is doing. that is not the law, never has
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been the law and cannot be the law. it's entirely within the court's purview to look at intent like this. does the president have broad authority? yes, but it's not unreviewable. their argument has been struck down repeatedly by the federal courts here. >> you felt when the president made a new executive order you felt he had done a pretty good job of making it -- >> fixing the problems. i still think this was a close case, i thought the original one was a close case but certainly the administration has helped its cause with the revisions and also just the way the report has been packaged as a more reasonable comprehensive -- executive order. but you know, i think washington may win, too. it's a close call. i guess one thing i find a little odd about this is you know using the president's words in the campaign as evidence in the case, isn't that very unusual? i don't think i have ever seen that in any case.
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>> well, it's an unusual case in the first instance, right? we have a president and an important policy that is impacting thousands of people across the country, but for any case like this where you're trying to get behind the intent of any action taken by a defendant, it is entirely appropriate, happens all the time in the courts across the country that you are allowed to look behind the motivation behind any particular action. there is nothing especially unusual about that concept. what is i grant you somewhat unique here is we're talking about the president of the united states, but hey, president obama's executive action on immigration reform was struck down by the courts. these things happen and courts are allowed to look at these orders. >> attorney general ferguson, thank you very much. we'll follow you more. and also next, weighing in on the gop health care bill, why there are worries based upon what they have seen so far. you pull out the tube and you spit in it, which is something southern girls are taught you're not supposed to do. you seal it and send it back and then you wait for your results.
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issue like health care. president trump patrromised to replace obamacare and with the gop plan to repeal and replace obamacare, we wanted to fanld out if trump supporters are worried or in support. in america uncovered, gary tuchman heads to kentucky. >> reporter: kathy of london, kentucky has a unique story to tell with a few interesting twists and starts where she works. it's at a health care company that helps sign up people for obamacare. you're nearly four years working as an out reach worker for how many people have you signed up for obamacare? >> i would say over 1,000. >> what's interesting is you're not a big fan of obamacare? >> i liked obamacare but not a fan. >> reporter: she's has a serious vertigo condition and her husband mike is fighting cancer. higher deductibles and premiums
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and fewer choices left kathy and many disillusioned with oba obamacare and that's where things take an interesting turn. >> reporter: who did you vote for for president? >> this year, trump. >> reporter: you heard that right. kathy who registers people for obamacare voted for trump. he liked the pledge to replace obamacare with something better but. >> on the campaign trail president trump said his plans would be better, cheaper, his plans would be a beautiful thing to see. from what you've seen so far, is it a beautiful thing to see? >> no, because of the cost and the middle age, not that i'm middle-aged but it's really effecting because we need the care now. >> reporter: bobby smith is one of the people she helped sign up for obamacare before a very difficult time in her life. >> i'm glad i had it when i had the breast cancer surgery.
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>> reporter: bobby owns an antique shop in the nearby town or corbin, kentucky. she's in remission, works full-time and makes enough money to make ends meet. she, too, voted for donald trump. when he said he would have a better health care plan, did you believe from him, he would follow through? >> yes, i did. >> reporter: she, too, is concerned older and sicker americans would have to pay more the way it looks now. as a cancer survivor, it's been one year since you were diagnosed and had your procedure done, what would it like to not have insurance if it was unaffordable for you? >> it would be stressful. because i would wonder if -- if it was there and i couldn't afford to have it treated. >> reporter: do you see that as a possibility if the rates go higher than you pay today? >> yes. i did. >> reporter: both bobby and
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kathy say they still support donald trump. and hope he's flexible about making changes to this new health plan. so what would you say to donald trump? >> why don't we sit down and get a committee that works and knows the pros and cons. working class people that have walked the walk. >> reporter: people like you? >> yeah. what is the woman who had breast cancer plan to do if she can't afford insurance under the new plan? >> anderson, bobby smith is pretty unequivocal about it. she cannot afford much more. she's preparing herself for the possibility of not having insurance and tells me she literally told me she will cross her fingers for three years because she's 62 and when he becomes 65 she's eligible for medicare, anderson. >> appreciate it. much more ahead including the question surrounding computer servers, were they talking to each other? new information tonight.
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topping this hour of 360 were computer servers owned by a russian bank and the trump organization communicating? does this have to do with the tweet storm and accusing president obama of tapping his phones. pamela brown investigative reporter jose got it. we spoke if the last hour. >> pamela, what have you learned about the investigation? >> we learned fbi investigators and computer scientists and whether there was a computer connection between the trump organization and a russian bank called alpha bank according to sources familiar with the investigation. this is the same server mention in