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well, good morning to you on a saturday morning, i hope it's been good to you so far. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. this morning, vice president mike pence is hitting the road to pitch the republicans plan to overall the affordable care act, actually to repeal and replace it. this is a crucial sales job, the opposition within the party is threatening to potentially derail one of the president's biggest campaign promises. >> it's two hours from now the vice president will speak to leaders in louisville, kentucky, he'll appeal with the governor mike bevan. this is a man not completely behind the plan himself. >> we just act now to save the americans from the imploding obamacare disaster. premiums have sky rocketed by double digits, triple digits in
some cases. '17 would be a disaster for obamacare. that's the year it was meant to explode because obama won't be here. plus, considerable anger after dozens of u.s. attorneys abruptly are told to resign by the trump administration. we've got our panel of political reporters standing by to break it all down for you this morning. we'll start with cnn's ryan nobles in washington, the sudden firing of 46 u.s. attorneys. past administrations have asked holdovers to step down, larger numbers even, why is this different? >> well, viblg shg, victor, thee trump administration and the newly installed attorney general jeff sessions is not out of the question but it's the way the attorneys were asked to step down is what got the justice department angry. this all went down friday when 46 of these top prosecutors were asked to step down, some finding out from the media that their
service was no longer needed. presidents have the right to appointment their own u.s. attorneys, but normally, the transition offices are held differently giving time to these high-powered positions take care of responsibilities. senator diane finetine a ranking democrat on the judiciary committee said she was surprised and concerned about the news of the firing. in a statement she said, quote in january i met with vice president pence and white house council donald mcgahn and asked specifically if all u.s. attorneys would be fired at once. mr. mcgahn told me that the transition would be done in an orderly fashion to preserve country not, clearly this is not the case. this is set for several high-profile attorneys including preet bharara from the southern district of new york. bharara has successfully
convicted several on charges. now, bharara's removal will be surprising because back in november, he met with then president-elect donald trump and told reporters that trump had asked him to stay on. a spokesperson from the u.s. justice department waved off concerns that removal of these u.s. attorneys will cause a problem saying quote, until the new attorneys are confirmed the dedicated career officers in our offices will continue the work. >> let's talk with tom lobianco and eugene stat. it's not that this is unusual, bill clinton let go almost what president trump has done so far. but it's the execution and immediacy of this. do you get the feeling that this is a misstep? >> well, it's hard to tell whether this is another misstep by the administration but it
does go to show when you're unprepared for these things, as everyone has pointed here. look, this is what happens. but how it happened is the issue. that's where people are caught off guard. kind of like rolling out the travel ban for the first time. maybe there was some stuff in there that was going to stay. my god, this just shook the rafters the way they handled. so, you know, delivery matters, perception matters, especially when you're near the white house. >> well, and timing matters. and it's a bit curious, this coming 24 hours after fox news personality sean hannity said this. let's listen. >> for weeks we've been warning you about the deep state obama heldover democrats are who are hell-bent on destroying this president, president trump. tonight, it's time for the trump administration do begin to purge he's sababout i sabha -- sabota
it's too late. >> what do you make of that? >> we know he's a longtime viewer and fan of sean hannity and the feeling is mutual. i think what's most interesting the whole idea of a deep state, this intentional move from the obama administration careovers to subvert the president currently in his agenda. that's been a fear of president donald trump and this looks like this could be the latest move to response to that, to some people. >> and another thing that's a little interesting here the fact that the president personally called two u.s. attorneys and asked them to stay on. tom, do you have any more information about how long they're staying on? or why these two in particular? >> well, he reached out to dana boente and rob rosenstein for pretty obvious reasons here.
because he's nominated rosenstein to be second in command at the justice department and boente is fulfilling that role right now. it's kind of interesting that he hasn't done it for the other ones. when you look at preet bharara. trump talks about draining the swamp and anti-corruption on wall street, i mean, it looks like there no one else that you would want there. he appears to be the perfect match for that. he's spent a career taking on democrats, wall street. it's pretty shocking that he's not keeping bharara here. >> eugene, is there not a legal risk here? i mean, there have to be pending cases sitting on the desks of these ags right now. what happens? are there questions now do they go in limbo? who takes over? >> as of now, it looks like the deputies who will be there fulfilling the roles that they were before the trump administration came in, to carry
on the investigations, to oversee them until replacement is set. or named. or replacement attorneys are named. there is a huge risk. particularly because some attorneys were asked to clear their desk yesterday and without warning. and the reason why that is of significant concern is that perhaps it's not giving them significant time to communicate with their staffs. the latest information on the ongoing investigations and what needs to be done moving forward. so, how these will end is not clear yet. >> tom lobianco, eugene fan, thank you for that. we know now more about michael flynn. there turns out he was paid to represent the administration. despite claims to the contrary. here's cnn's jessica schneider.
>> reporter: the white house saying president trump had no idea when he chose his first national security adviser that lieutenant general michael flynn had been a paid lobbyist for turkish concerns at the height of the campaign and through election day. but a source tells cnn white house council was well aware, both before the inauguration and after general flynn was named national security adviser that his company was planning to file a foreign agent disclosure form. >> he didn't file until two days ago. nobody would have known that because he hadn't filed until two days ago. >> reporter: flynn's counsel and said. why wane the president made aware of that recommendation? >> there are tons of individuals that consult with the lawyers and with ethics experts and say, i own this stock, or i have to sell it. i own a business, i own this
house. and for the most part, they're given guidance as to, hey, go seek professional help. >> reporter: vice president pence telling fox news he had no knowledge of flynn's involvement with turkey until a story was published this week. >> well, let me say hearing that story today was the first i heard of it. and sigh fully support the decision that president trump made to ask for general flynn's resignation? >> you're disappointed by the story? >> the first i heard of it, and i think it is an affirmation of the president's decision. to ask general flynn to resign. >> reporter: but last november congressman elijah cummings sent this letter to then vice presidential candidate mike pence raising conflict of interest concerns pointing out that michael flynn wrote this op said titled our ally turkey is in crisis and needs our support. >> please welcome to the stage,
general mike flynn. >> reporter: a staple on the campaign trail. at the same time hosting groups from turkey including the minister of foreign affairs and minister of energy. flynn's term in the white house was a short one. he resigned after the discussions about with the russian ambassador. >> general flynn is a wonderful man. i think he's been treated very, very unfairly by the media. as i call it the fake media, in many cases. and i think it's really a sad thing that he was treated so badly. >> reporter: jessica schneider, cnn, washington. we've got some breaking news out of germany. german police are responding to a possible terror plot in the western see of essen. >> we understand they have shut down a shopping mall after learning of an attorney possibly planned for today. we're keeping a close eye on the situation there.
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that president trump should have reached out to the fbi instead of taking to twitter. >> it's quite amazing. all he has to do, he should have done it before the tweet is call up the department of justice or the fbi and say, hey, what there a fisa on me? is there any reason to believe there was an illegal tap? it would have been one phone call, one minute at the most. >> let's continue this conversation with kimberly dozier, cnn global affairs analyst and senior correspondent for the daily beast. kimberly good morning. >> good morning, victor. >> you spoke with other national security experts who say they live in fear. here's a portion of what you wrote. in a community that once shunned social media, spoofs, spies and special operators are now signing up for twitter accounts and setting up real donald trump and potus alerts so they can
find out the inner thinking of their chief and protect fallout. >> what they're learning these could have implications of creating diplomat incidence which shhave, to maybe triggering an all-out shooting war. now, that is extreme. you have to understand, these people largely conservative, many of them republicans, but they plan for crises. and they want to know that their commander in chief is focused on the job and isn't being pulled off center by his own emotions. so, the people that i spoke to who work for some of the top people the cabinet, well, they live in fear of the weekend, going, okay, what is it going to be this time that we're going to have to be dealing with throughout the weekend and monday morning. >> yeah, we'll remember it was just a week ago, almost to the
hour, when president trump tweeted that claim that president obama wiretapped trump tower. let me go to the other side of this conversation, while there are some signing up for the accounts setting up alerts, for others, this is beginning to fall on deaf ears. explain that. >> well, the fact of the matter is, several times we've had these tweet storms, monday, tuesday, it gets walked back. now, last weekend was an exception. it took roughly 24 hours for us to get a comment from white house spokesman sean spicer backing up the president's claim that the last president may have wiretapped trump tower. and they want to look into it. but in other cases you've seen the anger expressed by trump via twitter been walked back. and, for instance, with mexico, you had that mexico president feud with trump. and then that evolved into a conversation. so, i've spoken to some people
who are part of the trump transition and trump administration supporters and they're saying, you know, it's becoming such background noise that may be more hope than reality for the rest of the world. >> we know that the president is not going to give up his twitter accounts. he enjoys having what he calls that direct access to the american people. so be it. but is there any degree of confidence or any indicators here that someone in the national security community can explain to the president the gravity of these tweets in that sphere, in that arena? >> well, from the people i've spoken to, they're basically hoping that the media reaction to his tweets will eventually be the thing that causes him to rein himself in. notice so far this morning, we don't have any early morning tweets from the president. but we do have a few from kellyanne conway talking about the jobs report. perhaps she's making sure preemptively that the first
thing her boss sees this morning is good news that she is sharing about his administration. maybe that will head off the angrier versions of his tweets. >> saturday morning is when he typically makes news via twitter. and it's still early. thanks so much. the vice president hits the road to pitch the gop's new health care plan. another medical group is coming out against it, though. the group's president joins us to explain why he thinks the plan is so dangerous. also, a look into the private life of melania trump, how she's making her own role as a modern first lady. >> melania trump to my imagination is emerging as a mona lisa of the first lady. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas.
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it's always good to have your company. i'm christi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. attorney general jeff sessions has demanded the resignations of 46 u.s. attorneys. now, a purge on it, it is not unusual at the justice department, but sources tell us many of the prosecutors learned of their fate only through a news release. >> white house has pledged a full court press to sell the republican plan to repeal obamacare, and vice president mike pence is hitting the road to do just that. he'll meet with business leaders in kentucky also on hand, the state's governor who says changes need to be made. now, as the white house tries to sell this plan, the health care plan, it is facing opposition from medical groups. in fact the american medical association sent an open liter to house leadership about the health care act. >> it read, quote, while we agree there are problems with the affordable care act that must be addressed we cannot
support the american health care act has drafted because of the expected decline in health insurance coverage and the potential harm. i spoke with dr. andrew germin and asked him about the plan. >> our concerns are based on worry that people will in fact lose health insurance coverage. some of the numbers released by the kaiser family foundation impaired the subsidies available and you the affordable care act as opposed to the proposed legislation. let me give you a couple of examples. someone who is 27 years under the affordable care act would get a subsidy if his or her income qualified for that. would get a subsidy somewhere between $2500 to $4500 compared to where they live
geographically. under the proposed legislation, there is no geographic adjustment. if you're relatively healthy you might be able to find an insurance policy for $2,000, $3,000 that might cover your basic needs but if you're 60 years old the subsidies would be between $9500 and $13,000. whereas with the proposed legislation it would be $4,000 doesn't matter where you live. >> the aarp and other groups, and other groups oppose the bill as written. here's how white house press secretary sean spicer characterized the president's reaction to that opposition. let's watch. >> this isn't about trying to figure out how many special interests in washington we can get paid off. it's about making sure that patients get the best deal, that lowers prices and costs. so, while i have respect for some of the work that some of these washington, d.c.-based associations do.
at the end of the day, this is about patients and about the input from doctors who are on the front line of seeing patients and talking about the care that they're able to give or not to give to people. >> your response? >> well, he talked about input from doctors. this doctor on behalf of the american medical association has concerns on behalf of patients that they're going to lose insurance and there be live sicker and die younger. >> it calls for groups and groups like yours to share your ideas and thoughts to and make sure there's input on the bill. has the white house, have congressional republicans reached out to the ama, have you reaped out beyond this letter to be part of the process to put this bill together? >> the ama has been very active in interacting with congressional leadership for quite some time in preparation or leading up to this bill. i don't know if we've had any interactions with the white house. but we certainly have spoken
with congressional leadership and will continue to do so. we stand ready to engage and try to make this work for our patients. >> dr. andrew gumman president of the american medical association. thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me on. i appreciate it. >> the vice president is headed to kentucky today and his trip is meant to sell the new gop plan to the public. but the white house is has yet to members of its own party on board. and the governor of kentucky appearing with the vice president today says that he's not really a fan of the current plan. >> senator paul has ideas of things. he thinks it needs to be a lot stronger. he's not as impressed with what has been currently offered. truth be told, i'm not either. so, i'm with him. i think there are things that need to be done. >> now, he later leased a statement saying he had an encouraging conversation with the white house about the bill. it would be great to hear what that encouragement was from the white house. question, how can the trump
administration unite the party and deliver on its promise to repeal and replace obamacare. here to discuss is cnn political commentato commentator paris. good morning. >> good morning. >> some believe the president is moving up the date to get into ending the medicaid expansion here which republicans who put this bill together say it's crucial to keeping this bill, or getting it passed. is the president making it harder to pass the replacement and the repeal process? >> no, i don't. i think this is one of the key things that we have to remember about this president in particular. donald trump, as a candidate, always talked about the fact that he was a great negotiator. that he was someone who could bring people together at the table and come up with the best deal. remember, he always talked about i'm going to get the best deal for the american people. so, i've always said he might make a lot of republicans upset.
he might make a lot of democrats upset because at the end of the day, he's not an ideologue, he's someone who wants the best deal for the people. that's why he's a president that's open to both sides. that's why you have an administration who is not afraid to go to kentucky where you have a sitting senator, a junior senator, speaking against the plan, and the governor who seems to be not 100% on board with it. but that's part of the process. and it's a great opportunity for the republican party. republicans and congress to work with this white house to break with the plan that's going to be -- it's going to be beneficial to the american people. and a better plan. i think at the end of the day, that's what republicans want. and that's what this trump administration wants. the president wants a better plan for the american people. >> now, you say that this may upset some of the republicans in offering potentially moving up that day to end the expansion. but more than upset republicans,
this could -- this could kill the bill, the first phase of this three-leg stool that we heard from paul ryan. is the president going to have the freedom to negotiate? are republicans on the hill willing to allow this president to negotiate, if, as you say, that is his strongest asset here? >> yeah, you know, this is a make or break moment for the republican party. we have long talked about repeal and replace. i advocated for review. but the line is repeal and replace. and if we do this, we have to replace it with something. we can't leave people out there in the cold. and so, this is an opportunity for the republican party and the trump administration to come together and say, listen, we're going to first listen to the american people and get this right. and in doing so, you have to compromise. look, democrats, when they passed obamacare, extreme liberals were upset because it didn't have everybody covered or pieces that they didn't like, and still don't like.
and conservatives and republicans on the far right might be upset with the plan we have right now. but we have to compromise. agree to come together. you might not get every single thing that you want, but i think if we can get most of it and assure people, that is what the goal should be. the ideologues have to put that aside and decide what is best for the person people that's what donald trump wants to do. >> paris, why is the vice president going to make the case today instead of the president? in 2009 when barack obama was pushing the affordable care act, they didn't send joe biden out the door first. >> look, i think when you look at someone like vice president pence you have someone who has excellent relationships with the hill. he has been a sitting -- he was in the congress and a governor so it makes sense to put him in a position to talk to another governor. he was a former governor. it's a brilliant strategy to place someone's strengths. the president is behind the
scenes doing negotiation, we saw him yesterday meeting with congressional leaders and chairs of committees. that is his strong suit. >> it seems that the argument that you just made that it makes sense for the president to be behind the scenes, but mike pence has the congressional relationships -- it would make more sense based on your description of the strengths for mike pence to be behind the scenes and this is billed as a pitch to the merth people for the president to be out in front of a rally of supporters there in kentucky because we know that's what he enjoys. >> well, this is more than just a rally. this is an opportunity for him to listen to the governor and listen to people at the company that they're going to be visiting. and getting it from the people that are there. as a former governor going to speak with a current gomp he understands the issues that go on as you govern. look, there are people like governor kasich and governor in arizona against the expansion
and they're very conservative. so, this vice president understands the delicacy that goes on at a state level, that's why i believe he's going to attempt to do that. that's why when it comes to congressional relationships and really negotiating and bringing people to the table, that's what you saw from the president in the past few days. because that is what he's going to do to be an effective leader for the country to give us the best deal we can to having a more affordable health care plan. >> paris, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. >> wednesday night to dman bash and a live town hall with health and human secretary tom price. he'll answer questions, maybe questions you have about the new gop health care proposal, obamacare and what comes next. that's wednesday at 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. plus, syrian president bshdz al ass bashar al assad troops in syria invaders. twin bombings rocked the city of
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assad, the syrian president, gave to the chinese media. and of course, we're focusing on his remarks that any foreign force that enters syria without government permission should be considered invaders. he said whether they're americans or turks. but the fact of the matter is there's very little he can do about it, given the limited control the syrian government has over its territory, what with now we're entering the seventh year of civil war here. but also during that interview, he said that he and president trump share common views on counterterrorism. and fake news. and he said that he didn't rule out the possibility that at some point, the united states and syria could cooperate in the fight against terrorism. now, when he talked about the u.s. as invaders in syria, he's referring to several hundred u.s. troops that are in the northern part of the country, supporting american-backed rebels, kurds and arabs who are
fighting against isis. and, of course, that is something that the syrian government is also doing, as well as turkish-backed forces. so it's a bit of a mess on the ground in northern syria, with all of the forces involved. we do know that russian/american military officers met in syria recently for what was called a deconfliction meeting making sure that russian forces, american forces, turkish forces all operating in northern syria don't get into a shooting war. >> that's a difficult situation. ben wedeman, thank you for the update. we appreciate it. well, she's gone from model to first lady. melania trump is beginning to embrace her role in the white house. for some, she's redefining what it means to be a modern first lady. ready, go. ahhhhhhhh! shake! shake! shake! shake! shake!
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friends of melania trump say, look, she never expected to land in the white house but now she is redefining the role of a modern first lady. a cnn poll shows her popularity with the american public. more than 50% of the people polled now have a favorable opinion of mrs. trump. double from last year. let's go to author of first women and, kate what do you make of the spike that people seem to be embracing her more now? >> well, i think people want to like the first lady. i think regardless of whether you support the president, the idea that the first lady didn't necessarily ask for this job. and i think something that's unique about melania trump in particular, she clearly is someone who doesn't want to be in the spotlight. and in the came way that when
michelle obama went out on the campaign trail for hillary clinton, people felt that she really meant what she said because she didn't go out campaigning that often. i think when you see melania trump in the public eye, it seems very genuine. because she's not somebody who craves the lime light. and that's something that people respect but those cnn poll numbers are along party lines. and they're very similar to what hillary clinton experienced in her first here as first lady. where you have a majority of people in your husband's political party to support you. but it's a pretty stark contrast as you're looking at the number of percentage of democrats that hillary had for republicans to support her. >> it's different from hillary, though, because hillary was in politics as well in her own rite. and melania strives to be a different person. let's listen to part of what you'll see on the cnn special on the first lady. >> melania trump is, to my
imagination, >> emerging as a mona lisa of the first ladies. it is by her appearance and posture that she seems to signal a strong impression. it's a centered quality. it's an independent quality. >> reporter: an independent quality that adds to the mystery of melania trump. >> i see in some ways the same expression on her face at every moment. to some degree she's hiding from us. i feel great empathy for us. it would be hard to be the one who's the subject of so much attention and who knows that everyone's trying to figure out what's going on inside of you when all you really want is to be a private person. >> speaking of wanting to be that private person, how can she balance -- is it possible, kate,
for her to balance her private life with her public role? >> reporter: every first lady confronts this question. you know, we look at the comparison to jackie kennedy which i think is an apt comparison to make. someone who furiously guarded her privacy, her children's privacy. and often left washington. jackie kennedy did, though, move to the white house. she was often out of town and would take her children with her to middleburg, virginia, where she rode horses and did things that she liked. i think if melania trump -- what we know is that she'll move to washington probably this summer. once she does that and just -- at least makes the effort to move into the white house, then i think people will give her a lot of leeway to leave town,ing to to mar-a-lago where she is very happy. that's -- that's really where she feels most at peace. so i think that it's -- it's really just the symbolism of moving into the white house that i think will also help boost her poll numbers among some skeptical democrats.
>> you say, too, that she's redefining what being the first lady means. how so, or at least the role that she'll play? >> reporter: yeah. i think we were all thinking about because of looking at the poll numbers before the election, thinking of what a first gentleman, bill clinton, would do, how he would change the role. and in an equally fascinating way, i think melania trump has changed it by making us question whether or not a first lady needs a big staff. melania trump has three or four staffers right now that we know of versus michelle obama's 20 something staffers. 24, i believe it was. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: when i talk to people, they often wonder, do we need this symbolic position anymore. i think that we do. and i think it's important also from just a public perception around the world to have the first lady there to host visiting heads of states and their wives and husbands. but i think she's redefining it kind of in a completely different way than someone like
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