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the investigation into donald trump's possible ties to russia intensifies as congress summons the fbi director to answer president trump's evidence-free claim that former president obama tapped his phones. while the president remains silent, what will congress learn? >> it's a very serious charge against the previous president of the united states. it needs to be some corroboration. >> senator john mccain joins us live for an exclusive interview. and republicans divided.
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president trump starts negotiating the replacement to obamacare with his own party. >> if we do not act to save americans from this wreckage, it will take our health care system all the way down with it. >> gop leaders say the bill is good to go. but other conservatives say not so fast. >> the bill as it stands really is dead on arrival. >> can trump use his presidential power to make the deal? a top administration official will be here live in minutes. plus -- cory booker, the rising democrat on taking on trump. >> this is a toxic environment being created right now. >> and his own political future. >> are you going to put yourself forward to be that person, to be that leader? and the best political minds will be here with insights on what happens next. hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of of your union is hearing echoes of the old trump catch phrase
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"you're fired." in a dramatic standoff, the one known for targeting major corruption cases in new york city, refused to resign at president trump's request forcing trump to officially show him the door. preet bharara was appointed by president obama. but a source close to president trump says he was asked to stay on by president trump last november as a gesture to senate majority leader chuck schumer. so what changed? now the president sees schumer has an obstructionist to his agenda and cabinet nominees. we'll talk about this and much, much more with republican senator john mccain who is joining me live from phoenix. senator, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, jake. >> over the weekend president trump asked for the resignations of 46 u.s. attorneys who served under president obama. nothing particularly unusual about that, although it was something of a rushed exit. but this included preet baa hara in the middle of investigating several high-profile democrats,
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not to mention looking into the fox news matter. was it a mistake for the president to go behind his promise and fire bharara? >> i don't know what his promise was to mr. bharara, but i know that other administrations have done the same thing, perhaps not in as abrupt a fashion, but that is what elections have consequences. and so for people to complain about it are ignoring the history of new presidencies. and i think the president had every right to ask for their resignations. >> we learned this week that general michael flynn was working as a foreign agent last year while he was advising president trump's campaign. flynn notified the transition team and the white house lawyers about the work he had done for turkey, but this information was not disclosed to the public nor did he file the proper paperwork until this week. does this trouble you at all that the national security
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adviser has been until recently a paid advocate for a foreign government? >> jake, there's a lot of things about our relations with russia that trouble me a lot. for example, why was the provision in the platform that called for the provision of defensive weapons to yukraine. there were a whole lot of aspects with russia and vladimir putin that requires scrutiny. and so far i don't think the american people have gotten all the answers. in fact, there's a lot of shoes to drop from this centipede. >> do you think general flynn advocating on behalf of turkey in that way was part of the whole russian situation? >> i don't know. i know that he was in moscow and had dinner with putin.
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and i'm not sure that in its face is wrong, but there continues to surface communications between not just general flynn but other members of the trump family, quote, associates that manifests, they finally threw out ukraine, but there are still a lot of questions to be answered and so far are not being answered. >> roger stone told the washington times on friday he had exchanged messages online with gusifer 2.0. that's the entity that claims to be behind the hack of the democratic national committee. stone also tweeted he had a back channel to julian assange during the campaign. do you think roger stone should be called to testify before the
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senate justify hearings? >> obviously, i think he and others need to be questioned. there's no doubt that mr. stone was closely associated again with mr. yanikovich who was, thanks to the rising up of millions of ukrainian people, was thrown out of office after a demonstration in the whole national thing. the relationship with the russians and who communicated with them and under what circumstances clearly begs for an investigation. buts also point out those who may be guilty. >> during the campaign on
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monday, you said that if president trump has any information to indicate his predecessor wiretapped the white house, they should come forward. the white house has to offer any advance over that he has by tomorrow, but the if there's no proof that it is true, should president trump take back the charge to president obama and to the american people? >> well, president trump has to provide the american people, not just the intelligence committee, but the american people with evidence that his predecessor, former president of the united states, was guilty of law.
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he said there was absolutely no truth to that allegation. so the president has one of two choices, either retract or to provide the information that the american people deserve. because if his predecessor violated the law, president obama violated the law, we've got a serious issue here, to say the least. >> but there's no one i've heard who has any information relating to the fbi including sean spicer and sarah huckabee sanders. do you have any recommendation to show this is true? >> i have no reason to believe this is true, but i also believe that the president of the united states could clear this up in a minute. all he has to do is pick up the phone, call the director of the cia, the director of national intelligence and say, okay, what happened? because they certainly should know whether the former president of the united states was wiretapping trump tower.
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>> do you have any concern about the constant barraging? >> well, the president has a unique style. he was elected president of the united states and i'm not going to tell him how to conduct the presidency. but on an issue such as this, accusing a former president of the united states of doing something, which is corroboration. i'll let the american people be the judge. this is serious stuff, jake, because it -- if true, or the allegation is left out there, it undermines the confidence the american people have in the
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environment. >> instead of meeting with the secretary of state, he met with jared kushner, the son-in-law to the president and, donald trump never said anybody was visit in. >> president trump has not become very outspoken since he was secretary of state. and we have to give him a chance of secretary of state to perform, but obviously, jake, the optics of people coming to town were foreign leaders. i have to remind myself we are still in the first 50 to 60 days of the presidency and don't want to pre-judge. there's no doubt this president has approached the office of the presidency in a different
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fashion than his predecessors, but he was elected by the american people. >> the epa demonstrator scott pruitt said carbon dioxide is not a contributor to global warming. take a listen. >> i agree it's a climate exhibitor to -- >> would you agree with this? >> i am. but i also reject nuclear power as one of the most clean and efficient ways of generating energy. so let's see what mr. pruitt has to authenticate his allegations. but again, mr. pruitt is widely respected. and i voted for him and would like to give him a chance. >> senator john mccain, republican of arizona.
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thank you so much, senator. good to see you. >> thank you for having me on, jake. president trump sell ed sel campaigned on bringing back jobs so you would think it is very important for him, right? >> the unemployment number as you know is totally fiction. the 5% figure is one of the biggest hoaxes. don't believe those phony numbers when you hear 4.9 and 5% unemployment. the numbers probably 28, 29, as high as 35. and i recently heard that it is 4.7%. >> joining me now, nick mu
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mulvaney, thank you for being here. >> thank you very much for having me. >> did anything change at the bureau of statistics as to the methodology? >> you start to look at the u6 number already boring your audience. there's things like u3 and u6. if there's anything to make the unemployment rate look smaller than it actually was, we used to tell people back home, the only thing you should look at is the number of jobs created. as long as that is above $250,000 the economy is doing extraordinary well. and that was the number we spent la last. nothing to change to make them real today, okay? >> you could have a long
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conversation when a numerator and denominator, how to arrive at a percent annupercentage. >> this is not a claim you made, so i'm not going to spend too much time on it. you spoke of the president's budget, we are taking his words and turning them into policies and dollars. i want to follow-up on that because a lot of words wrds said during the campaign. the president said one time he believed tenning -- >> do you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy? >> i do. >> the plan to repeal and replace obamacare would do the opposite of that. it would deliver roughly $157 billion over the coming decades. so those with middle incomes of $1 million or more will be joined on tax. isn't that breaking the promise? >> a couple of different things, the obamacare tax is not -- he
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confirmed he wants to repeal the tax incentive on the carried interest, which overwhelmingly benefits the wealthy. so the two things are not consistent. if you're going to talk about tax policy, play the clip. look at the overall tax policy, not just the changes to the obamacare. >> so look at it in the aggragate after the year or two years are done. >> that's fair. and we are in the early stages of developing that larger tax policy. so we'll talk about the health care reform now. not a stand-alone tax policy. >> you think the tax cut does not break that promise because there might be tax increases such as the hedge fund manager's tax. >> that's right. >> when president trump then candidate texas made a cut. take a listen. >> i'm not going to cut social security like every other republican or medicare or
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medicaid. >> the plan to repeal and replace obamacare would roll back the expansion to medicaid that has provided coverage to 10 million people in 31 states. wouldn't that also be a broken promise? >> just because you spend less money on something doesn't mean it can't get better. the fouthings we are trying to drive into medicaid is part of the discussion on obamacare. we are trying to make medicaid a lot more efficient. we met with 46 governors two weeks ago. and one of the things they control is what government sends them. i was in the legislature several years ago, we would have loved to have more control over the medicaid spending. but right now under obamacare and the existing medicaid rules, medicaid is the one size fits down washington knows best type of approach. and we think with this bill, we would give more control to the states and allow them to drive
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efficiencies to increase quality and also reduce costs. it could happen sooner if house conservatives get their way. is rolling back the expansion touching medicaid? >> the blueprint we have seen phases that out. the president doesn't want to kick anybody off. the need or proposal we know -- some people rotate off of medicaid adds pas part of the oy course of life. it is there for the indigent core, but the number we use is three to five years for the average rollout. >> the 10 million people that have medicaid because of the medicaid expansion will gradually go off and on their own. don't spend their entire life on medicaid. some people do, bewe start to talk about a lot of numbers.
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breitbart news says it is rino-care. she predicted that president trump will step in and fix it. is she right to think that president trump and you and dr. price at health and human services will make the bill right now that speaker ryan put forward more conservative and less rino-care as she puts it? >> that's a wonderful name for people who don't have to defend it, right? anyway -- >> nobody is calling it trumpcare or ryancare. nobody is putting his name on it. >> here's the framework. we have a really good bill that the republicans worked with house and senate leaders to come one. but we have laid out the things the president has said. and it must do as much replacement as it can. the president was clear on the
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campaign trail to repeal and replace. that's what the framework does. repeals as much as possible and gives us as much replacement as possible. if the house and senate think they can make that bill a little bit better through the process, that's what the legislative process is about. and it's the legislative process that didn't go over to the senate. so there are plenty of opportunities to make the bill better. >> i don't know what you mean, i keep hearing this from the republicans, obamacare was a year-long process and there were many hearing committees. a lot of people don't like it. >> anybody can read it. folks watching on television can go online and read what the bill is and watch the committee hearings. those are things that we're dramatically missing in obama care. >> director mulvaney, pleasure
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welcome back. president trump is making a full-court press to try to sell the republicans' plan to replace obamacare. he's dining with senators and will host members of the freedom caucus for bowling and pizza at
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the white house. democrats, meanwhile, are standing firm in opposition to the replacement bill saying millions will lose health insurance coverage. but is there room to negotiate with the man who authored the art of the deal? i met up with senator cory booker at the south by southwest conference in austin, texas, over the weekend. and asked about the democrats' next moves. senator booker, thank you so much for doing this. >> thank you for having me. >> you have been consider visit call of the republican approach to repealing and replacing the affordable care act or obamacare. i know you object what republicans are doing, but don't democrats have an objection to this bill? >> this is not a perfect fix it. but let's be clear, even before the affordable care act, i was the mayor dealing with the health care costs going up significantly. so don't put this all on this aca, but they will tell you things weren't perfect before.
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let's build upon it, let's fix it. the first time social security was put out, these are legislation decades old now but improved by successive generations to make them better. what we see now is frightening to me when brookings just comes out and says, we're looking at about 15 million americans losing their insurance. >> so why not get in there and roll up your sleeves and try to improve -- the republicans are going in there to try to sign this as law. don't you have to try to get in there to try to improve the bill? >> that's where we are. the republicans cannot force this down our throats. it's going to knock a lot of folks off, hurt long-term care, hurt good-working class folks. so i don't understand this almost. i don't understand what the political strategy -- because this is bad politics, but deeper than that is bad policy and bad process. >> let me ask you about drugs because that is obviously an important part of health care. and you know bernie sanders was
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very critical of you and 12 other democrats for voting against the bill that would have allowed the importation of drugs from canada. and i know that you've answered as to why you voted that way, but he was very harsh. he said you lacked, you and the other democrats, lacked the guts to stand up to the pharmaceutical industry. >> well, first of all, you know that was not a bill, that was a resolution. it was not even something that if everybody in the senate voted would have changed one thing, it was a late-night resolution during a voteerama some of us were asked -- i went right to work. i said, bernie, senator sanders, excuse me, senator casey and i put together a bill incredible. not only will it allow imports but gives the safety guarantees that a lot of us were concerned about. this is nothing to do with phrma but courage and good legislation. most canadians have access to high-quality drugs. if we did that without safety provisions in there, you would
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see rogue pharmacies popping up, rebranding drugs, drugs coming in from other countries and saying these are now canadian drugs. we are making sure our consumers are getting quality drugs. >>. so you know there are progressives out there looking for a white knight and were disappointed in that vote. in addition, i think in 2014, you were the number one recipient of donations from pharmaceutical companies and executives of them. how can these people who are very weary of big phrma and very weary of the fact that rising drug prices is one of the main reasons why health care costs are going up, that you're going to be on their side and not the pharmaceutical companies in your state? >> i'm a big believer on what you do and not what you say. my performance in the senate when it comes to issues important in my community, please understand this, a lot of folks in the senate go home, i go home to newark, new jersey, a community of folks who are working class folks battling every day against rising rents,
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rising college costs, a lot of the challenges we're facing. that's where my loyalty lies. and we are trying, the senate and my team, are trying to focus on that. when it comes to pharmaceutical costs, they are too high. and a bill i just did with senator sanders, we are talking and working about lowering prescription drugs. in fact, go back to when i was a mayor, we had ways -- we did an incredibly innovative program to lower prescription drug costs and get people preventive care. so my work, you know my history, that got me into politics in the first place, was representing low-income communities. i still live in a census track where the median income is $14,000 per individual. that's where my loyalty lies. nothing is contrary to that. >> let's talk about those people in newark, new jersey, especially the kids of newark, new jersey. when you were a city councilman and then mayor of newark, new jersey, you have seemed to have an open mind when it came to issues of having to do with charter schools and school choice. you angered, you pissed off a
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lot of democrats. last month you voted against betsy devos being educate secretary. and one of your former allies, peter denton said you turned, quote, into a partisan political player. put aside betsy devos for a second, where are you on the issue of whether or not kids in places like newark, new jersey, should have the option to go and go to a public charter school or whether or not, actually, there should be more choice potentially in education? >> well, let's get out of the idea there are charters that are bad or good or traditional schools are better. i'm a big believer in great schools and every kid should have a public access to them. and newark is the best model. in fact, we're the number two ranked city in america for quality public charter schools. more than that, we're the number one city in america for beat the odds schools. high poverty, high performance. if you are a poor black kid in newark, your chances of going to a high-performing school went up
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300%. >> but have you forgotten that? what happens to democrats who are the former types like yourself, we saw it with barack obama -- >> how do you ask me a question, it were for a d.c. bill that has charter schools in it, who rewrote that bill? i did. i opposed betsy devos, why? because she in the department of education is something really important, helping transgender students, helping black students, issues of equity unacceptable to me and a number of other reasons i didn't support her to be the secretary of education. but when it comes to my record for supporting what i believe is any child born in any zip code in america should have a high-quality school, i don't care if it's a charter school or traditional school, if it's a bad school, i will fight against it. just like i supported the bill to change charters that didn't support my kids. we should have great education. >> in the hearings for the secretary of state rex
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tillerson, you asked him about pledging to bring the press with him when he traveled around the world. he pledged that he would be transparent, that he would support full transparency. he's about to go to asia on his first major trip to asia as secretary of state. he's not bringing any reporters with him. did he go back on his pledge to you. >> look, what i'm seeing now with the secretary of state, i hope he gets it because it's outrageous, but there's no transparenty or accountability. we are in a pry sis in our country. and the secretary of state, god bless him, he's new in there, when he was flying around the world for exxon mobil, he didn't take the press with him and didn't have shareholders. this is not america inc. this is the united states of america. we are a republic, we are a democracy, and the founding fathers wrote it in, ideas of the importance of the freedom of the press. and so for you to turn your back right now on the press and the
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traditions of openness and transparency and accountability, you're turning your back on the american ideals and it is unacceptable. i think he'll get it after time. >> 2009, you went to the wedding of jared kushner and ivanka trump. in 2013 she had a fund-raiser for you at her park avenue, i don't know what it is, mansion, estate, i haven't been there, maybe you can tell me. have you talked to her since her father won? if you haven't, what would you tell her? >> look, i had a private conversation with her once at what they call the all fafalfa dinner. we had a private conversation. i think there's a problem that we are having problems talking to each other across a lot of the lines that we have. and people dismiss somebody just because they are a democrat, dismiss somebody just because they are a republican. there are millions and millions of good democrats, millions and millions of good republican americans who are 99% of us are good people. this is the problem, is, i don't care what party you're in right now, recognize this.
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we're in a time of increased fear in our country. >> because of donald trump? >> there is something seriously wrong when medacity is the norm. when law-abiding citizens are feared of leaving their home. this is a toxic environment being created right now. and i don't care who you are, if you consider yourself a leader, you have an obligation to stand up and do something about it and lead with love and not appealing to people's darker angels or appealing to or exploiting that fear. >> i would be remiss if i didn't ask you, are you going to put yourself forward to be that person, to be that leader, to be the person that units the country? the person that greets hate with love? are you going to try to take this further than the united states senate? >> no, i think that we are doing -- anybody in office is doing exactly what the american people are fed up and sick and tired of, by talking about politics. let's talk about people and purpose now. i want to but with a then tick in who i am right now, be a person of purpose.
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and you know this, if you're a senator thinking about being president, you're often not a very good senator. or else you're making compromises where you are. i'm going to be fearless in telling the truth. i don't care where it ends me up. because when i go home to newark, new jersey, that's what my community wants from me. >> senator cory booker, thank you very much. coming up, pizza party diplomacy. could a ice piece of pizza helpy the republicans weary of the health care plan? they with us. arthritis with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it's proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage, and clear skin in many adults. humira is the #1 prescribed biologic for psoriatic arthritis. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers,
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this is the time we're going to get it done, we're working together, we have some great results. we have tremendous spirit. and i think it's something that's just going to happen very shortly. so thank you all very much. we're going to get to work. >> the art of the deal. president trump sounding optimistic about the health care bill that passed two of three committees in the house on thursday and is heading to a
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full swrot vote in the chamber end of the month. but does it have the votes to pass in the current form? it does not seem to. with the strongest opposition coming from inside the republican caucus. can the republicpresident bring republicans on board? joining us now is rick santorum from the great commonwealth of pennsylvania, and mira, republican congressman mark meadows, and also with us, democratic congressman louis gutierrez of illinois. thank you, one and all. it's a great panel. >> thank you. >> let me start with you, you heard nick mulvaney, the director of the office of management and budget, talking act how he wants conservatives to vote for the bill. you wouldn't vote for it in the current form, though? >> we would. it is not just the freedom caucus, it is more than that. but director mulvaney is right, the freedom caucus and a number of republicans are willing to work with the president. and the encouraging thing for me is the president told me personally, we want to make this better for the american people. and he's willing to negotiate
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the art of the deal is not dead. so i think what we'll see at the end of the day are modifications to the ryan bill that is out there right now. the gop bill that truly transforms it to something that president trump and the american people can support. >> congressman gutierrez, are you part of this process at all? or are democrats on the sidelines appealing everything? >> very different process. in 2009 to 2010, i remember hundreds of republican amendments were adopted in the aca. there were literally hundreds of hearings between the senate and the house. i mean, it covered 2009/2010, so it's a very different process. in this process what i find is there's a really lack of transparency. that's important. it's almost as if they said we'll take a businessman's approach. we are going to the boardroom in the back in secret and now reveal it to the american people. so what i would just say is moving forward, i would like to see a health care system in which if you have health care, you get to keep it.
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if you don't have health care, there's an opportunity for you to join. and keep your hands off planned parenthood. literally, i think the american people, those that live in my district, understand tens of thousands of women in my district and hundreds of thousands, millions of women across this country depend on planned parenthood for their health care. let's get transprarncy, let's have hearings and witnesses, what's the rush? >> senator, what do you think about the process so far? >> there hasn't been a lot of transparency. the reality is there needs to be more openness. i will agree with you on that. i disagree with you, if you have a plan, you can keep it. that's something president obama pledged and certainly didn't come through. on planned parenthood, that's a small percentage of women's health care. there's a lot of others that have comprehensive care for women and we should focus our dollars there. the republicans didn't do what you have to do in order to get
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something done. the house always, when it comes to these things, always puts out the conservative bill. and you know the senate's going to bring it back. what the house did this time is they started out in the middle. and if you're a conservative, you're thinking, this is the best we're going to do. that's why they are not voting for it. because they know when it goes to the senate it's going to get worse. the house has to come out and set the poll saying, here's the conservative bill and work from there. they didn't do that. that's the problem. >> mira? >> i can't even explain this bill because it doesn't seem too conservative or too liberal to me. it's an upside-down bill. it charges people who need the most help the most. they have the biggest increase in please, ma'am yu in premiums. if you live in a rural community, you have an eight-fold increase in costs. that's why doctors, nurses, the ama, hospitals, are all opposing
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this bill. you have the doctors and the aarp all opposing this bill because it's an upside-down bill that makes so little sense for people. it doesn't lower costs, it makes it more unsustainable, the medicare trust fund. so it's uniting, it's not liberals versus conservatives on this bill, it's the broad spectrum of americans opposing this bill. and i think that's why it doesn't make any sense to rush this process. we took six months in the house, six months to have hearings in the house. this bill is supposed to be introduced and voted on in three-and-a-half weeks. one-sixth of the economy, three-and-a-half weeks. >> a group backed by house speaker ryan is out with television ads pressuring members of the freedom caucus, your group, to vote with president trump on health care. take a listen. >> repeal and replace obamacare. >> tell congressman labrador to
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vote with president trump. >> do you think the ads will be effective? >> i don't think they will change anything if that is what you mean. when we look at it, ne,era was talking, we have someone from the left and the right agreeing on one thing, we have to lower health care premiums. if we don't do that, jay, we have failed. and this current plan doesn't effectively lower premiums. >>. how do you effectively lower -- >> i can't campaign on repeal and replacement of obamacare. so we would disagree on a whole lot of aspects, but when you force insurance companies to provide a certain type of coverage and you can't buy a cheaper coverage, today, you and i cannot buy a catastrophic plan, because of what is put out there. and so we've got to make sure that we give the flexibility in terms of the number and types of plans that can be bought to drive it down. and if we don't do that, then we just have obamacare by another name. the president and i, as we talked about it, he wants to drive those costs down.
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i'm confident that if we work together, and i have reached out to five democrats, i said, my district is not the same as louis' or any others, so i said, give me ideas on what you would like to see, ultimately the president is going to be the chief negotiator as well as the commander in chief. and i think that we will see a better bill that passes the house. >> i think, jake, this is a fundamental difference is how we see public policy and the role of government. so national defense, that's the government's responsibility. education, government responsibility. i see in the richest nation, the nation that spends the most money on health care, and i see tens of millions of americans, citizens of this great nation of ours without health care and say, shame on us. now, i bet at the end of this debate, the members of congress, after we have decided which or how we are going to vote, are going to get government-sponsored health care. they are going back to the government-sponsored health care we receive as employees of the
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federal government. why can't we do for the american people what we do for ourselves? >> this is the false narrative that started obamacare and it's a continuing false narrative. >> what is false about it? >> that's absolutely not true. >> well, they are getting it in the emergency room. >> they are getting more at the emergency room. emergency room visits are up as a result of obamacare. because the medicare expansion has caused more emergency room visits. before obamacare americans got health care. there was a law in place. everybody got health care. the question is health insurance. and what kind of insurance. we went from a system where everyone got health care and the best health care in the world at a reasonable cost to a system now everyone has insurance but are not getting health care. medicaid has blown up and medicaid providers are not getting health care anymore because under medicaid they don't have access to providers. this is a false narrative. and you can't accept that narrative as a basis for going forward with the next bill. >> we have facts here. 20 million people have received health care because of the --
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>> health insurance. >> health insurance because of the affordable care act. and they are healthier because of the affordable care act. and the reality is donald trump promised voters that they would keep their coverage. and now we have estimates from the plan he endorsed that 50 million people would lose it. states like north carolina, the prices go up the second most. alaska, the most. the reality is here, people relied on him, they voted for him for the affordable care act to say they could keep their coverage and it would get better. and the ryan bill is less coverage at a highest cost, worse all around. and i think that is fueling a lot of the anxiety. for republicans and democrats. >> when you look at rural america, one of the greatest beneficiaries of obamacare, here's what you have. what you have is a woman, she's in north carolina, she was in "the new york times," she pays $260 a month for her health care plan. she gets to $791 subsidy.
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well, the republicans are offering her $2500 to $4,000 in subsidies. she can't afford health care. here's what happens, she said, i voted for trump because i thought he was going to reduce my health care, now i'm realizing that under this program, i'm going to pay more, if not be completely shut out of the health care position. >> there will be policies left and right. number one, a big percentage of counties only have one plan. come on. >> that's because the republicans undermined the aca. coming up, the king of new york city is about to usher in a new tabloid era. look at this week's state of the carto cartoon.
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welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll start with the ever swirling controversies concerning the trump white house and its ties to russia. today, we have the other side of the story. long time putin spokesman tells me what russia did and did not do and how putin and the russian people view the american accusations. >> we did not have and do not have any intention to

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