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this is gps, the global public square. welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll stewart the ever-swirling controversies concerning the trump white house and its ties to russia. today, we have the other side of the story is, long time spokesman dimitry peskov tells me what russia did and did not do and how putin and the russian people view the american accusations. >> we do not have and we will not have any intention to interfere in someone's domestic affairs. especially in america's doe pest i can affairs.
>> then, the head of president trump's economic advisory council. blackstones ceo steven schwartzman. the businessman billionaire will tell me what affect trump's plans will have on american wallets and the global economy. but first, here's my take. this week, we've watched the perfect illustration of a country fighting the last war. the trump administration has now devoted weeks of time, energy, and political capital to rolling out its temporary travel plan of citizens of six majority muslim countries who according to the libertarian cato institute have not committed a single deadly terrorist attack in the united states over the last four decades. meanwhile, the white house's response to a devastating barrage of wikileaks disclosure s that will compromise american national security for years was a promise to prosecute leakers. the wikileaks revelations are
designed to cripple american intelligence operations of all kinds against any foe from russia or china, from isis or al qaeda. wikileaks claims to be devoted to undermineening centralized pr everywhere yet it's never revealed anything about the domestic policing operations of the russian or chinese governments, both highly centralized dictatorships with extensive and advanced cyber intelligence units. in fact, wikileaks has chosen as its obsessive target the united states which probably has more democratic oversight of its intelligence agencies than any other major world power. in 2015, u.s. cyber war chief mike rogers warned that we are at a tipping point, testifying that the country had no adequate deterrent against cyber attacks. the digital realm is a complex one and old rules won't easily translate. the analogy that many make is to
nuclear weapons. in the early cold war, they say that new category of weaponry led to the doctrine of deterrence which led to arms control negotiations and other mechanisms to create stable predictable relations among the world's nuclear powers. but this won't work in the cyber realm, says joseph nye in a new important essay in the journal "international security." first, the goal of nuclear deterrence has been total prevention. cyber attacks by contrast happen all the time everywhere. the pentagon reports getting ten million attacks a day. second, there's the problem of attribution. nye quotes defense official william lynn who said in 2010 whereas a missile comes with a return address, a computer virus generally does not. that's why it's so easy for the russian government to deny any involvement with the hacking against the democratic national committee. nobody can be sure. nye argues there are several ways to deal with cyber attacks,
punishment, defense, and taboos now punishment involves retaliation and while it's worth pursuing, both sides can play that game and it could easily spiral out of control. the other strategies that merit more consideration in my view are one the united states should develop a serious set of defenses beyond simply governmental networks that are modeled on public health. regulations and information would encourage the private sector to follow simple rules of cyber hygiene these will go a long way to creating a security national network. the final strategy nye suggests is to develop taboos against certain forms of cyber warfare. he points out after the use of chemical weapons in world war i a taboo around their use grew, was enacted into international law and is largely held for a century. similarly in the 1950s, many strategists saw no distinction between tactical nuclear weapons and normal weapons and advocated
using them, but gradually countries came to shun any use of nuclear weaponry, a mutual understanding that has also survived for decades. nye recognizes that no one is going to stop using cyber tools but he believes perhaps certain targets could be deemed off limits such as purely civilian equipme equipment, the development of such norms would require international forums, rules and institutions, all of which the trump administration seems to view as global owning. but at least the administration is working hard to prevent those yemen any tourists from entering the united states. for more go to cnn.com/fareed and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started.
on monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific my latest documentary will air here on cnn. it's called "the most powerful man in the world." in it we examine the rise and rein of none other th-- reign o president vladimir putin. he's defied in russia and vilified in the west. what can we learn about this man who inspires such passion and has so much power. that's 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on cnn. for the document and gps earlier this week i had the rare opportunity to interview one of the men who knows vladimir putin best, dimitry peskov has been at the president's side as his spokesman and top aide for almost two decade. it's an almost unique opportunity to hear a senior russian official offer the kremlin's side of the controversies that have been roiling the white house and the worl world. i spoke to peskov in new york,
he was in moscow. plmplts peskov, i don't know where to begin about all the allegations of donald trump and his campaign and the russian government so let me ask you very directly, did the russian government have any collaboration or serious communication back and forth with mr. trump's campaign during the election last year? >> the answer is very simple, no. and the fact that russia is is being demonized come stranges to us and we are sorry about that because this is -- the whole situation takes us from -- takes us away from the perspective of getting our relationship to a better condition. quite unexpectedly we face a situation when russia all of a
sudden became let's say a night more for the united states and they cannot understand why american people and american politicians started -- well, started the process of self-humiliati self-humiliation. you're self-humiliating yourself saying that a country can intervene in your election process. america, a huge country, a country with the most powerful country in the world with a strabl political tradition and you say a country can easily intervene and influence your electoral process. this is simply impossible and when it comes to russia i can tell you we never had, we do not have and we will not have any intention to interfere in
someone's domestic affairs, especially in america's domestic affairs. we will never let anyone to put his nose in our domestic affairs but we're quite reciprocal in that attitude when it comes to other countries. >> so what was it that the russian ambassador the sergey kislyak was talking to so many of donald trump's associates about? >> this is his job. he was talking about bilateral relations, he was talking about what is going on in the united states so we have a better understanding in moscow, this is what is
with hillary clinton during her campaign you would probably see that but there were no meetings about electoral process. there was in no way it was be perceived as interference in the electoral process there were lots of people working in think tanks, advising hillary or advising people working for hillary so if you look at it with intention to demonize russia you would probably see that, yes, he was trying to interfere in hillary's activities but it would be nonsense because this is not true. >> isn't it fair to say that mr. putin did not warm to hillary
clinton and me accused her of meddling in russia's internal affairs during the 2011/2012 campaign for his own presidency so it does seem as though he might have had a preference from mr. trump give than in his view hillary clinton had tried to interfere in russia domestic politics. >> you would probably recall that president putin during election campaign never answered questions about the candidate he supports. he kept saying we will respect the choice of american people and only american people can and should choose their own president these were the words of president putin he repeated numerous times over the last
couple years but if you ask him whether he mentioned the then-candidate donald trump i will answer yes, he had. why? the candidate hillary clinton was quite negative in her attitude about our country declaring russia being nearly the main evil in the world and the main threat for the united states and to the contrary the other candidate, donald trump was saying that yes we disagree with the russians for but we have to talk to them in order to try to find some understand aing. whom would you like better? the one who says russia is evil or the one that says yes we disagree but let's talk to understand and to try to find some points of agreement.
public opinion would likely be the other one. it's quite natural. it's quite natural. but that doesn't mean in no way that russia has interference in the electional process. >> so what do you make of every united states agency -- they rarely agree on everything -- and all 16 of them say they have high confidence russia tried to alter the outcome of the elections in the united states? >> we don't know what's the reason for this word. we've never seen any evidence what we have seen is a report by one of the agents, a special agent of the united states and i would upbly say it's not a paper
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perspectives for the future of our bilateral relationship. we certainly would expect our conducts to be more frequent, more in-depth in order to see it and talk to each other to try to understand because we had quite a significant pause in our bilateral relations and for countries like russia and the united states it e's unmapardon not to be in dialogue. against this amount of regional and global problems that we have. and instead of trying to unite our efforts in solving those problems we are losing potential but blaming everything on earth on each other.
>> when president putin spoke with president trump, what was his reaction? what did he think of president trump? >> well, it was quite promising, he's very pragmatic, president trump, he's not hiding is the fact that he disagreetz in lots of things with russia. but he's quite -- pragmatic enough to say that -- but we have to talk. and we have to be in a dialogue. we have to compare our positions in order to find some common ground and having some dead ends in our relationship he says that there are some issues that we cannot agree upon that e that we'll never be able to agree upon with you, with the russians, but at the same time he says we have to come together and start our dialogue and unfortunately we don't have a
better understanding of can begin, can start. >> does the russian government hope that president trump will be willing to consider relaxing or overturning entirely the western sanctions against russia that will put in place in wake t wake of the ukrainian crisis? president trump says he might be willing to weaken the sanctions. >> it was never on the agenda until now and russia will never initiate putting this issue on the agenda. those were the words of president putin and he said we are not going to touch this issue as soon as you are ready and willing, because you initiated those sanctions then you will put it on the agenda by yourselves but we are not going to be the first.
>> do you now worry, mr. peskov, that in the climate that exists in washington, 65% of americans want a special prosecutor to look into russia's connections of the trump campaign? in that environment do you worry it will be difficult for the trump administration to have a a cooperative relationship with russia? we. >> we do worry. we do worry. if you load public opinion with a huge burden of fake news, of these fake blamings on russia, if you repeat everyday numerous times that russia is guilty of everything, russia is interfering, trying to hack everything in our country and everything that goes wrong in our country because of russia, if you repeat it and repeat it
then you will have more than 65% so we consider it a real danger for the future of our bilateral relationship and we sincerely want to see this hysteria coming to its logic end better sooner than later. >> what do you think it will look like when putin and trump meet for the first time? >> well, they will talk to each other, they will talk to each other. let's keep protocol, but it's important they sit in front of each other. if we don't have an agreement for early summit then presumably we can expect that meet each other on g20 summit in hamburg in the beginning of july because this is the first place when they will come across each other. next on gps, what kind of a
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so just who is vladimir putin? dimitry peskov, putin's spokesman and one of his closest advisers talked to me about the man he has known for two decades. americans are very curious about vladimir putin. how would you describe him? >> if you ask me what is mr. putin, well, he's the president of the russian federation, he came to power in a country that was about to collapse, to lose its territorial and political integrity. there was a country with a huge foreign debt, a country that couldn't afford paying off that foreign debt and it was involved with paris club and other debt holders and a man who managed in a decade using his management
skills, using his personal talents, using positive international and economic environment to make russia stable again, to make russia being a country with ingreasing level of standards of living, is more prosperous, more united, developing quite fast and playing more and more serious role in global affairs so this is mr. putin. >> is that why he's so popular? what do you attribute the popularity he has in russia? >> he's different from lots of statesmen and politicians that we see in the world and that we see in russia. first of all, he's not a populist-oriented politician so he does what he says.
and he never more than he will be able to do in the future and that's why people trust him. plus if you imagine a politician, every and each of them would promise a lot. would promise a lot for coming generations. it would promise that coming generation generations and generations after coming generations would feel better the in their life and would feel better standards of living but what he did, what mr. putin did in this country. he made life better not for coming generations but for present generations and one cannot ignore that. that's why his level of support after 17 years in power is unique and i think it's a little bit more than 80 or even 85%.
it's unimaginable in global politics. >> dim e dimitry peskov, pleasure to have you on, sir. >> thank you very much. don't forget, monday night at 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on cnn you can catch the premier of the most powerful man in the world, my new documentary, it's on the rise and reign of vladimir putin. next on gps, the billionaire businessman who has president trump's ear on economic matters. the founder of blackstone's steven schwartzman, the head of the president's strategic and policy forum when we come back.
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his strategy and policy forum, it's a very impressive collection of american business leaders who will give the president advice on how to grow the economy and make america great again. the steve trump said was doing an amazing job is my next guest, stephen schwarzman is the chair of the white house advisory council and his day job is chair of blackstone, the world's largest private equity firm which he co-founded. welcome. >> good to see you. >> why did trump pick you for this job. you're a prominent new york financier, have you worked with him? >> i've known donald a long time. i've always had a candid relationship with him and he called me and asked me if i wanted to do something officially in the government and i said no, i'm happy with my day
job and he said i thought that's what you would tell me. and i'd appreciate if you would give me advice on a longer term basis and if you could form a group of people who could tell me what's going on in the world, give me advice on things and be straight shooters that would be an enormous contribution. you check them with me, ask them and let's get to work so that's where it came from. >> you said be a straight shooter so the question i would have for you which a lot of people wonder about is have you been able to pick up the phone, talk to president trump and tell him things that you disagreed? and what was his reaction when you do that? >> he's better face to face actually but i'm not going to tell you what i said. >> but have you told him things that -- have you been able to say you're doing this, i
disagree with it. you don't have to tell me specifics. you have to understand, is he is a guy who is able to take criticism? >> he's somebody who basically likes to know what you think is the right thing to do. he was a real estate person, that was his basic job so there are a lot of things outside of that sphere which are new and different and to the extent someone else he trusts has a view on things that are unfamiliar to him he's very open to learn and if he has some instincts that are countered by reality he'll let his previous perceptions of things go and move to what he sees or what somebody tells him so i find him pretty easy to deal with. >> when you look at the markets, it seems to me broadly speaking being a big bull run since the president was elected they look at a lot of things he said as
pro-business, corporate tax cuts, tax reform, deregulation, the big infrastructure push. but he's also said other things such as trade wars. tariffs on china, tariffs on mexi mexico, labelling china a currency manipulator. do you think the markets are guess i guessing that they think all of the good stuff from their point of view will happen and the bad stuff won't? >> no one knows for sure but the good stuff is good and it's important that those types of things be achieved not for the benefit of just the business community but for the benefit of the people in the united states the who haven't had a great run. about 60% of them since the year 2000 have not had an increase in their disposable income and they're frustrated and they should be. in terms of things with a negative spin or trade things, i
think he looks at life and says we should have more or less equivalency in trade if we're outcome peted that's fine, no problem with that but barriers that stop our companies from bringing in their goods or doing it at the same price from a tariff perspective or other non-tariff barriers, that's fair and we ought to be equal so that's where it comes from. >> you expect you will see a significant change in the real gdp which, as you know, has not grown much more than 1%, 1 1/2% over the last eight years. >> yes. >> what do you predict? >> hard to know but it should end up in the threes which would be a doubling of what we've done. there's formouse inhibition to growth built in to the united states from the perspective of
regulatory overload you might call it and that doesn't mean you get rid of all good things that are necessary but there's a lot of stuff that is not helpful, that's retarded lending in certain sectors and infrastructure is another one. for example, you will remember in the stimulus program there was $175 billion allocated to build infrastructure. well hardly anything ever got built and it was because the laws basically almost contradict each other, policies that exist contradict each other and so do regulations so for example to do big projects in the united states could take 10 to 15 years to get approved. in germany to do big projects it's two years. in canada it's two years to our
system, just because of the way things get enacted over time has made it so difficult that in the stimulus plan nobody knows what was built but there was $175 billion available. we have to change that. >> stay with me, steve, up next, i'll ask stephen schwarzman about another country he knows better than most -- china, i will ask him if there's a danger that the united states and china will be in a trade war or worse when he come back. the only hotel where you can redeem loyalty points for a free night-instantly and win at business.
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if you end up with protectionist measures? what happens if you start deporting many undocumented workers who work in construction and agriculture, won't that have v a depressing in effect a similar way? >> let's talk about the trade stuff first. with trade everybody in the world is on notice in a delivery system but nonetheless on notice that the u.s. wants equivalence and i think the president would call that fair trade and so there are countries that have actual actually shown up and said i want to negotiate a different deal with you and there's a list of countries who are having discussions with us and there will be changes as a result of that and if those are handled
will that will be successful, if it's handled poorly -- and you mentioned in your opener after the advertisements a potential trade war. so everyone involved with discussions and china is the biggest one. it's a trade deficit of around $360 billion, $370 billion, soon to be $400 billion. that doesn't mean much to anybody who's probably watching but it's half of the total u.s. trade deficit. >> but do you have a particular relationship with china that's very debut founded. schwarzman college, a kind of rhodes scholar program for people to go to china, surely you're worried. here is a president who said he's going to label china a currency manipulator. in fact, he promised he was going to do it the first week. i guess that didn't happen, that he was going to slap a 45% tariff on china. when you talk to the chinese, aren't they -- are they
worried this will lead to a trade war? >> they have a certain equanimity. these are early days. and there's a learning curve as president xi referred to himself and said after three years of doing my job, i know much, much more than i did my first day, and he said that's the nature of being president of any country. he said, if you've never had that job, you have no idea what being the head of state is in a major country. and the chinese are waiting to see what the u.s. positions are, and as they said, they're very patient and they'll be there. and they said they've worked with many u.s. presidents and u.s. presidents have worked with many presidents of china, and
they want a long-term relationship with the united states and we'll see how things go with the discussions, but it's very measured, not quite as hyperbolic as things are on our side, but i don't think that there's going to be issues regarding china's currency manipulator and some of the other things. >> you think some of that will be dialed back? >> i think so, yeah. >> do you think when you look at something like immigration, for example, will there similarly be a dialing back? because again if you are going to start deporting the numbers that trump talked about during the campaign, it will have a big impact on construction, on agriculture where they use a lot of immigrant labor. >> fareed, that one's not just over my pay grade but outside of my pay grade. >> i didn't know there was anything over your pay grade. >> well, i'm declaring this as one. >> and you see already a big
shift in terms of the way this administration is viewed by the business community and you think that that will translate directly into economic growth? >> yeah. the question is how long will that take. how many things have to be enacted for that to happen? but i have no doubt, actually, which is unusual for me -- because i'm usually pretty nuanced -- as to whether that will result? significantly higher growth. >> you're investing on the assumption of greater growth? >> i guess 12, 13% in the last few months isn't so bad in the stock market. we're at a record. consumer confidence in america is at a record since the year 2000. these aren't about republicans having confidence. it's not about democrats having confidence. it's about the country having confidence and the world.
the u.s. stock market is a global market. and all of these indicia of confidence ultimately result in changed behavior. >> steven schwarzman, pleasure to have you on. next on gps, donald trump's approval rating here in the united states is rather low, but there are two foreign countries where he has majority support. where? find out when we come back. (mic thuds) uh, sorry. it's unlimited without compromising reliability, on the largest, most advanced 4g lte network in america. (thud) uh... sorry, last thing. it's just $45 per line. forty. five. (cheering and applause) and that is all the microphones that i have. (vo) unlimited on verizon. 4 lines, just $45 per line.
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news & world report" story out this week. it ranks perception and quality of life, openness for business and religious freedom. the u.s. slid from fourth place the previous year in part because of the global view of the election. this brings me to my question of the week. of the countries surveyed only two demonstrated majority support for donald trump. the first was russia, of course, and what other nation? israel, nigeria, turkey or china? stay tuned and we'll tell you the correct answer. and now the book of the week. president trump's national security advisor, h.r. mcmaster recommended a set of classics on international affairs. they're all excellent, but i thought i would recommend one in particular. michael howard's "war in european history" a set of essays by the greatest living military historian that are sweeping, highly intelligent and beautifully written. a quick, wonderful read. now for the last look, thousands of soldiers in perfect
formation, streams of military vehicles, helicopters flying overhead. at first glance this could be a full scale military invasion. actually, it was a massive anti-terror rally held by more than 10,000 armed police in a contentious western chinese region last week. this staggering show of force was not the only one like it this year, reuters reported. these rallies are a response to what the chinese government calls terror but observers say is ethnic violence between the country's han chinese majority and the minority uighur muslims. they say that the uighurs are oppre oppressed, beijing blames them for fomenting unrest. on the same day as the rally an isis propaganda video surfaced showing fighters reportedly from the uighur minority pledging to, quote, shed blood like rivers in
attacks against the chinese. china ap display of military might has been matched with its own hefty rhetoric aimed at the violence within the country. one politician said china should, quote, bury the corporations of terrorists in the vast sea of the people's war. the chinese communityist party knows a thing or two about guerrilla warfare. its founder literally wrote the book on it. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is, "d," china. according to the "u.s. news & world report" survey, 54% of chinese surveyed view donald trump favorably while that number was 83% among russians. when asked which american candidate they would have voted for, 59% of global respondents said hillary clinton while 27% would have voted for president trump. if you had signed up for our new newsletter, fareed's global briefing, you might have known the answer to that already. go and subscribe.
it will take you less than a minute. you'll receive incisights and analysis in your inbox every day. don't forget the catch the most powerful man in the world monday at 9:00 p.m. here on cnn. thanks for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. hello, everyone. thank you so much for joining me this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. more freedom, more choices, less cost? that's the sales pitch from republican leadership promoting their bill to replace obamacare today. and tomorrow we could learn how much it's going to cost. that's when the nonpartisan congressional budget office is expected to release its report on the gop bill. sticker shock is the last thing the president needs to get this bill passed as republicans are already deeply divided on key parts of the proposed legislation. >> i firmly believe that nobody will