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that would rise to 24 million people a decade from now, while federal deficits would be reduced by more than $300 billion. the president today accused the news media of making obamacare look so good all of a sudden. he insists obamacare is imploding but admits it could take years for health care prices to come down under a replacement plan. today is the deadline set by the house intelligence committee for the trump administration to show evidence of the president's claim that president obama wiretapped him. sean spicer now says he doesn't believe president obama personally wiretapped him. kellyanne conway has more outlandish accusations suggesting wider surveillance via televisions and microwaves. some lawmakers calling for the white house to put up or shut up. senator john mccain says the president could clear this up in a minute. let's go to the white house right now where sean spicer is
introducing the secretary of health and human services and the director of the office of management and budget, getting their reaction to the congressional budget office report. >> we'll obviously have more tomorrow as we go forward. with that, let me turn it over to dr. tom price, the secretary of health and human services. >> thanks, sean. thank you so much. it was a good cabinet meeting that we had. during the meeting the cbo report came out. i think it's important that we ask the question compared to what. and the fact of the matter is that this is about real people. it's about real people's lives, the health coverage that they have and the health care that they receive. the fact of the matter is that right now, current law, we have individuals who have health coverage but no health care. it's incredibly important to appreciate that. the coverage numbers are in fact going down. if -- if obamacare -- if the aca went away there would be 20 million who would not have coverage. the cbo looked at a portion of our plan but not the entire
plan. the entire plan includes the regulatory apparatus that we have the ability to use that the previous administration used significantly. we want to use it to make se certain that patients are helped and costs are decreased. they ignored completely the other legislative activities that we'll put into place to make certain that we have an insurance market that actually works. we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out. we believe our plan will cover more individuals at a lower cost and give them the choices they want for the coverage that they want for themselves and their families, not that the government forces them to buy. i am pleased to be joined by the omb director, mr. mulvaney. >> we haven't had a chance to read the entire report yet. we are seeing some of the same top-line summaries that you folks have seen. i want to talk about one of the parts i have seen that deals beyond coverage. and that deals with premium costs. one of the things we have said about this proposal from the beginning was that we believed for some reasons that have been
basic tenets of republican conservative thought for a long time that competition lowers cost. what the cbo just told us is that's exactly right. the numbers i have seen is that the cbo says that premiums will go down by at least 10% with this plan. so it just confirms a lot of things that tom and i have been talking about publicly which is that we do think these ideas of taking market competition, putting it back into health care, getting government out of the way, will do what it does in health care and what it does in everything else. every place else where the market is allowed to function quality goes up and costs go down. something the cbo may have gotten right in the report which is that the premiums will come down. we'll take a couple of questions. >> you said this is about people -- >> the cbo report says 14 million people will end up without insurance next year. how does that help more patients? >> the fact of the matter is, if you look at that, it's virtually impossible to have that number
occur. we are not certain -- >> the cbo is wrong? >> just look at the numbers. there are 8 million people, 8, 9 million people on the exchange currently. how do they get to 14 million people uninsured if only 8 million are on the exchange. i guess they are individuals who they assume are on medicaid who aren't paying anything in the medicaid system who are not going to take the medicaid policy just because the mandate ended or something happened? it's just not believable is what we would suggest. we'll look at the numbers and see. >> mr. secretary, without that mandate to buy coverage, would you not concede that millions of people will not have insurance under this plan? >> no. i wouldn't concede that at all. >> you would not say millions of people will lose insurance? >> they'll be able to buy a coverage policy they want for themselves and their family. they'll have the choices that they want. think about the numbers that the top line -- just the top line on
cbo report today. it basically says that we'll be right back at pre-obamacare status with about 40 million people uninsured in this country. we believe that the plan that we're putting in place will insure more individuals than currently are insured. we think that the cbo simply has it wrong. >> one of the things tom just said, it bears repeating. the cbo score assumes that, if you are on medicaid today, that you choose to get off medicaid after the mandate goes away. does that make sense to anybody? you are on a free program -- the plan doesn't get rid of medicaid expansion. what the cbo has told you is, if you are on medicaid the day the mandate goes away you'll voluntarily get off medicaid. >> you scale down medicaid over time. >> the cbo is saying it happens on day one. it's absurd. >> you seem to agree with the -- >> cbo estimate that premiums will go down 10%.
they got to that because they're saying fewer older people will be getting coverage. older people with higher costs will drop off the insurance marketplace. do you agree with that estimate of the cbo -- >> no, we don't. i point again to the fact that apparentlily what cbo looked at was simply the bill pending before congress. it do not look at the regulatory reforms or state innovation grants or the flexibility that we'll allow the states. because that's what the states are demanding and asking for. so that they can care for their most vulnerable population. it didn't look at all the other pieces of legislation that are pending out there that we call from our friends on the other side of the aisle to help us reform the insurance market to provide for greater competition. >> -- have all these questions about, oh, just wait. we have more stuff coming. why not do it all at once so we understand the full package, all phases.
>> it's being rolled out all at once. we are working on the regulations right now. we have had a proposed rule out there to narrow the window so insurers are allowed to stay in markets. one third of the counties in this country, over 1,000 counties only have one insurer offering coverage on the exchanges. five states only have one insurer offering coverage on the exchanges. you tell me that that's what the plan was. the fact is that those folks have no choice whatsoever. the federal government has destined them to only have one opportunity to purchase coverage. and if that's not what they want, tough luck. our plan is to allow individuals the opportunity to purchase the kind of coverage that they want for themselves and their families in a market that allows them an array of choices that suit them. not what the government tells them to purchase. >> are you encouraging lawmakers to disregard this report? >> no. we will read the report, look into the report, beyond the top
lines and we'll have further comment tomorrow and talk with our colleagues about why we believe the plan, the entire plan that we have recommended moving forward and adopting is one that will provide greater opportunity for folks to purchase the coverage that they want and put patients and families and doctors in charge of health care and not the federal government. . >> stay warm. >> tom price, the secretary of health and human services. mick mulvaney, director of the office of management and budget. totally rejecting the congressional budget office report which says, under the republican legislation now introduced supported by the white house, supported by the speaker, 14 million more people would be uninsured under the legislation. as currently have insurance. 14 million more would be uninsured in 2018, a year from now. and over the next ten years, an estimated 52 million people would be uninsured compared with
the 28 million who would lack insurance that year under the current law. let's get some more on this blistering assessment of the impact of the republicans' obamacare replacement plan. tom price saying we disagree strongly. the report is not believable. cnn's sunlen serfaty is on capitol hill. walk us through the report with specifics. >> wolf, certainly these numbers are much worse for republican leaders on capitol hill than what they were expecting earlier today. showing that millions of americans, as you said, could potentially be facing losing their coverage if this republican plan is signed into law. now, the top lines of the cbo report, the non-partisan cbo report, just out in the last hour. the big top-line number. in 201,814 million more people would be uninsured under this legislation than under the current law. that would rise to 21 million in 2020 and then a staggering 26
million by the year 2026. the cbo also predicts here that the legislation would reduce the federal deficits by $337 billion over the course of that 2017 to 2026 period. now, before this report came out leading up to this, we heard from many republican leaders preemptively dismissing and down-playing this report, suggesting that the work that the cbo does does not always lead to accurate results. certainly we will will likely hear from more republican leaders the same sort of rhetoric as they sort through this latest report. wolf, democrats already reacting, calling it an enormous blow to the fate of this bill tonight. wolf. >> quickly, the report the cbo report, also says and mick mulvaney, the budget director, made a point of this. that they estimate that over the next ten years the federal deficits would be reduced by $337 billion because of the elimination of a lot of the taxes that are part of
obamacare. that's a very significant number, sunlen. >> it is a very significant number. i expect we'll certainly hear a lot of that in the next few days. also interesting that he was specifically emphasizing that premiums will go down by about 10%. that's according to the latest cbo report. >> sunlen is on capitol hill. let's go to phil mattingly, our congressional correspondent. he is getting more reaction to the cbo report. what are you learning? >> you got a bit of a flavor of it. i want to read what paul ryan put out, who is essentially the grandfather of the plan, put it all into motion and into gear. he says this report confirms that the american health care act will lower premiums and improve access to quality affordable care. under obamacare we've seen how government mandated coverage does not equal access to care and now it's collapsing. our plan is not about forcing people to buy expensive coverage, it's about giving people more choices and better access to a plan they want and
can afford. that's going to be the message you see going forward repeatedly from republican officials. this is about access. this is not about mandates. this is not about medicaid expansion, automatically putting people onto rolls or enrolling individuals. that's not ideologically how they wanted to go. a democratic aide texted me, this is significantly worse than even we expected. we will be on offense through 2018 if they keep going down this road. and one other quick one that's important. gop official who has been very supportive of this plan, the house plan specifically texted me simply, oof. we can recover but this is not a good look. republicans cognizant of the fact that this number is higher than expected and creates problems going forward, problems that they'll have to try to get around in the days ahead if they want the bill in ton the floor. >> the congressional budget
office, this is non-partisan and led right now by someone appointed by the republican leadership. >> that's exactly right. the individual running the cbo right now not just appointed by republican leadership, appointed by then-budget committee chairman tom price, now the health and human services secretary. this is an individual they thought ideologically lined up better with them. they believe because their bill does not include mandates or an expansion of the medicaid program that the model the cbo uses won't line up with their bill no matter what. you saw them preemptively talking about that. you'll hear more of that from here on out. >> going back to jeff zeleny, our senior white house correspondent. what else are you picking up? >> there is no question that the top-line number in terms of the number of millions of americans who would be uninsured is not good for this process at all. but the white house, i am told,
will seize on the number phil was talking about a second ago. $337 billion in deficit savings. they believe that that is a good step forward here. they believe that that could help get some of the outside conservative groups more in line on board with this. but the question here is, how does the white house address the ceo? the cbo. you did not hear either the secretary or omb say they were not believable. they did not attack the cbo per se. that is because the head of the cbo, keith hall, was appointed by secretary price as phil was saying right there. the white house is still going to make a decision on how aggressively to go after that. certainly, they believe this is going to make it much more difficult to get some of those conservative republicans on board here. but they believe they can still hold it together. we're likely to hear from the president tomorrow on this if not this evening. we don't have anything planned
from him yet, but they expected it to be a challenge here. and this is certainly more than a challenge. but look for them to press that deficit savings number as one up-side in this otherwise tough report. >> they like the deficit savings number. they hate the number of the people who will be without health insurance coverage. they have a little bit of both worlds over there. all right. stand by. bringing in democratic congresswoman kathleen rice. she has been watching this closely. let's discuss the congressional budget office estimate. the report -- let's get to the part that the white house likes, that it would reduce federal deficits by $337 billion over the next ten years. that's a huge savings. >> there is no question about it. it's not a surprise that they would focus on that. what i find so interesting is that you had tom price focusing on the number of uninsured rising over the next year or
two, 14 million, and saying that could not be right, it's just an impossible reality. then you had mick mulvaney talking about how great it is that the premiums will go down. you can't have it both ways. you can't say that the cbo report is accurate when it's something good for us and bad when it's not. and look, the cbo is only able to look at what they're given. you heard tom price say there that, well, we're still working on the regulations. they didn't take the regulations into account. that's because they didn't see them. look, i think it's interesting that they can act -- that they are a little shocked. i think over the past couple of days you heard a lot of republicans saying, well, the cbo report really isn't that accurate, you can't really rely on it, that's not really what they're meant to do is to weigh in on things like that. and yet that's exactly what they're meant to do. they're shining a light on the republican plan, and i hope people are paying attention. >> the new republican plan would
leave more people uninsured according to this congressional budget office report, a reduction of, they say, 24 million insured people by the year 2026. so, from your perspective and you're a democrat, you oppose the republican plan, what could that mean? >> well, first of all, it's an assault on seniors. it increases costs for seniors, decreases costs for younger people, when it should be the opposite. your health care costs grow and your health care needs grow as you grow. so that's number one. it's an assault on women because it defunds planned parenthood. you have more women on medicare and medicaid. so it will affect them. it decimates mess idicaid. that's where the savings comes from. it's at the cost of giving people the services they need. if you look at one of the biggest health crises we're facing across the country with the opioid addiction we have in every state across this country. it will take away care from
people suffering from the disease of drug addiction. so it's just going to be devastating across the board. >> let me read to you what then-president-elect trump told "washington post" this past january days before the inauguration. we're going to have insurance for everybody. there was a philosophy in some circles, if you can't pay for it, you don't get it. that won't happen with us. people covered under the law can expect to have great health care. it will be a much simplified form, much less expensive and much better. do you think this plan comes close to delivering on those promises by the president? >> not even close. and i think that you're going to see donald trump trying to walk back those statements six months from now, a year from now, if this is able to pass. he was so critical of president obama when president obama made the statement that, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, and yet he is doing the same thing. really what are we talking about
here? we need straight talk from people in government. stop using politics. i consider myself a logical person. this plan does not make logical sense. i am not on idealogue. i think most of the people who came up with the plan are ideologues. they say survival of the fittest. if you have money you can have access to health care, if you don't, you're out of luck. >> do you see this health care plan as the ryan plan or the trump plan? >> there is no question that paul ryan has been a much more outspoken voice when it comes to health care reform. he is very wonky when it comes to that. i don't think anyone could use the word "wonk" together with president trump. so i would say that most of the specifics here are probably paul ryan. and it will be up to him to get it through the house. look, republicans are facing the
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million americans could be without health insurance next year under the republican replace plan. that could rise to 24 million americans in a decade. we stand by to hear from the democratic leaders of the house and senate. we'll continue our conversation with kathleen rice. first i want to get developments. today is the day the trump administration is supposed to provide congressional investigators with evidence to back up the president's claim that he was wiretapped by president obama. let's bring in our senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny. no evidence we have seen yet, jeff. but the white house is scrambling to come up with some new explanations. >> they are indeed, wolf. we heard some of the explanations today at the white house but no evidence specifically from the president. he was asked about it a couple of times and he deflected the questions. there is no word tonight if the department of justice has complied with the intelligence committee's to turn over any evidence if any even exists.
president trump had his predecessor on his mind again today at the white house. >> it's a little bit like president obama, when he left. people liked him. when he was here people didn't like him so much. that's the way life goes. that's human nature. the fact is, obamacare is a disaster. >> reporter: he was talking health care, not his explosive allegation of president obama spying on trump tower. asked about that, mr. trump fell silent. >> will your department comply with the intelligence committee's request to provide -- >> reporter: the department of justice had until today to turn over any evidence, if any exists, to the house and senate intelligence committees for their investigation into any contacts between russian operatives and the trump campaign. the white house would not say whether any evidence would be produced, yet the explanation has evolved over the last nine days and did so again today. >> i think there are two things that are important about what he said. recognizing that it's the -- he
doesn't really think that president obama went up and tapped his phone personally. >> reporter: after saying last week the president's tweets with the extraordinary allegations spoke for themselves, white house press secretary sean spicer said this today. >> there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 election. that is a widely reported activity that occurred back then. the president used the word "wiretap" to mean broadly surveillance and other activities. >> reporter: but that's not true. it was not widely reported surveillance took place in the campaign. and the president stated the wiretapping allegation as fact in this tweet that started it all. how low has president obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process? this is nixon water gate. bad or sick guy. at his first cabinet meeting today, the president again brushed aside questions. >> any comment on the wiretapping? >> reporter: bun of his top advisers, kellyanne conway, muddied the already confusing waters over surveillance during
a weekend interview in her new jersey living room. >> what i can say is there are many ways to surveil each other now, unfortunately. >> do you believe that was -- >> there was an article this week that talked about how you can surveil someone through their phones, through their -- certainly through their television sets. any number of different ways. microwaves that turn into cameras, et cetera. >> on "new day" she tried to clarify her remarks to chris cuomo saying she didn't have any evidence the president was being spied on through a microwave or other device. >> i am not inspector gadget. i don't believe people are using the microwave to spy on the trump campaign. i am not in the job of having evidence. that's what investigations are for. >> senator john mccain on cnn's "state of the union" said the president owes the americans an explanation. >> he has one of two choices. either retract or provide the information that the american people deserve. because if his predecessor
violated the law, president obama violated the law we have a serious issue here to say the least. >> asked again at the white house briefing if the president would follow the advice of john mccain and disclose all of this to the american people, and white house press secretary sean spicer said they are still going to wait for the outcome of the house and senate intelligence report. he didn't rule it out. wolf, this could be one of those many conspiracy theories that have been floated out around this white house that never quite seem to have an end to them. >> jeff zeleny at the white house. thanks very much. let me remind our viewers momentarily. we expect to hear from the democratic leaders in the house and senate. nancy pelosi, chuck schumer. you see the microphones there. they'll be going to the microphones to react to the congressional budget office cost estimate on the republican leadership's plans for a new health care law to replace -- to repeal and replace obamacare. among the estimates that 14 million more people would be uninsured next year if the
current -- if the new law were to be enacted. we're going to have that live -- live coverage of that momentarily. in the meantime, i want to get back to democratic congresswoman kathleen rice of new york, a member of the house homeland security committee. let's talk about what we just heard in jeff zeleny's report. you heard the press secretary sean spicer saying today the president used the word wiretapping in the early saturday-morning tweets to broadly mean surveillance saying it spans a whole host of surveillance-type options. do you accept that explanation? >> no. this is one of the biggest problems with president trump. he says whatever comes out of his mouth. he doesn't think about it. he doesn't measure his words. he doesn't care whether what he is saying is true or not. when you accuse a president of breaking the law in this way that would create a constitutional crisis the likes of which we have never seen in our country's history, i think,
you have to be responsible for the words that you say. now, all day we have been hearing, whether it's kellyanne conway or sean spicer, saying, no, that's not what he meant. but we have to take him at his word. that's exactly what he meant. he even went so far as to call president obama a bad, sick guy. and he can't back it up with any evidence. we don't have to look any further that senator john mccain who said, look, either retract what you said or show the evidence. and what's really important is that we focus on the insidious nature of what he is saying. forget what it says about president obama. and everyone agrees that this didn't happen. what is he saying to the american people about the faith that they should have in their government? what he is saying is that the government as you know it is something akin to what you see in russia where every single electronic device is being monitored. there is no such thing as privacy anymore. it's big brother in all of your business. and he knows that's not true.
and i just think that the devastating consequences of these words and, you know, it's not enough to say, okay, after i have made this explosive allegation i'm going to send my minions out to clean up the mess. that's not enough. that's not enough. you are the president of the united states. you have to be held accountable for the things that you say. >> the white house counselor, as you point out. kellyanne conway, told the bergen county record in new jersey -- these are her words -- there are many ways to surveil each other. i guess the question is this, congresswoman. is the trump administration, the trump white house now moving the goal post? >> they do it every single day. i heard -- i watched that interview, wolf. and i was dumbfounded. >> the interview that kellyanne conway -- which interview. >> where she was talking about a microwave. i have never heard such a thing. it's so typical of people who go out to speak for president trump. they're asked a question and they never answer it. she was asked do you believe what donald trump said about
barack obama? she said, what i can say is there are all these different forms of surveillance including microwaves that turn into cameras. no one believes that stuff, nor should they. but it shows the lengths that people in this administration will go to to detract from some of the most outrageous things that this president is saying. this is the other area that concerns me. when we have a real tragedy here, when god forbid we have to deal with a real issue of national and international import, whose words are going to be credible in this administration? so far i haven't heard anyone who actually comes out and says, you know what, he probably misspoke, he shouldn't have said it. no one wants to go that far and say that. that's going to be of concern when there is a big issue. >> here is what the white house press secretary sean spicer at his briefing today said. he said that the president was referring to the obama administration broadly and not accusing the president, president obama, of personal
involvement. but look at what the president -- >> sean spicer can say that, wolf. but remember the tweet -- >> hold on a second. hold on a second. i'm going to read to you two of the four early-morning saturday tweets. he is now saying he is referring to the obama administration. but the president tweeted i bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that president obama was tapping my phones in october just prior to election. then he tweeted, how low has president obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process? this is nixon/watergate. bad or sick guy. now he is saying he was referring to the obama administration as a whole, not necessarily the president. president obama. but you saw the two tweets where he is specifically referring to president obama. >> any rational human being reading those tweets knows exactly what donald trump meant. he was talking about president obama, and you will remember that these tweets happened shortly after the attorney
general, jeff sessions, decided to recuse himself from being involved in any of the investigation involving the russian hacking during the 2016 election. this is what donald trump does. something happens that he doesn't like, he reacts this way. he says outrageous things. he just knows that, you know what, i'll just leave that out there for a couple of days until something else happens. and then people will forget it. i'll act like i never said it and we'll move on. it's not enough for the american people to move on when you are accusing the former president of personally wiretapping your phones. that's what the tweets said. bad or sick guy. he didn't say obama hired bad people who did bad things. he spoke specifically about barack obama which is probably unprecedented in the annals of presidential history. >> congresswoman, thanks so much for joining us. we're going to obviously stay on top of this story. kathleen rice of new york. we appreciate it. >> thank you, wolf. we're standing by. the democratic leadership in the house and the senate are about
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speaking. >> the republicans are confused right now. some of them are saying, discrediting the cbo, and others are glorifying pushing 24 million people off of coverage. so i hope that they would pull the bill. that's really the only decent thing to do. numbers are important. they see the numbers. they should know how that transfers into people's lives. they are finding that out from their constituents. how can they look their constituents in the eye when they say to them, 24 million of you are no longer going to have coverage. those of you who do have it will have less in terms of coverage at more cost to you. with that i am pleased to yield to the distinguished democratic leader of the senate. welcome back to the house side. my former colleague -- >> 18 happy years. actually 14 happy years and when we lost the majority four unhappy years. it's -- thank you very much. i want to thank leader pelosi
for her great words. now, the republican, hand-picked, head of cbo has confirmed what we democrats have been saying all along. trumpcare would be a nightmare for the american people, causing tens of millions to lose coverage and millions more seeing the costs of their health care going up. ten years from today, if president trump and the republicans have their way, there would be 24 million more americans without health insurance, a total of 58 million americans living in this country ten years from now will not have health coverage. that's unamerican. that's wrong. premiums for seniors will rise a whopping 20% to 25%, and copayments and deductibles for millions more. if there was ever a war on seniors, this bill, trumpcare,
is it. the bill spends almost twice as much on tax cuts for the wealthy compared to tax credits to help older middle-class americans afford health insurance. the rich get $592 billion in tax cuts for the richest. compared to only $361 billion for the middle class and the working class to afford health care. so when speaker ryan says it's an act of mercy, yeah, for those people who make over $250,000 a year because they get big tax cuts. the only winners in this cbo report are the health insurance executives and the wealthy americans. everyone else gets a cold shoulder from the republicans in congress and from president trump. now, you remember when president trump was a candidate? he said everyone will be covered, and costs will go down. we now know that he had no
intention of keeping either promise. today the non-partisan scorekeepers have spoken clearly. trumpcare means higher costs for less coverage. the cbo report should be a knockout blow for republicans in congress. they should heed this warning and turn back from their plan that would be a disaster for the country. >> at the same time, you are seeing the report that they are taking $170 billion from medicare, shortening the life of solvency for medicare by three years. so, again, seniors have a lot to lose, as does -- as do all of america's families. any questions? >> what do you say to republicans who might try to discredit the cbo report? >> this is their point as the distinguished leader has said. the cbo director is one who was appointed by the republicans. the cbo report is one that the
republicans have always demanded of us when we had the majority and we would pass a law that you must have a cbo report. so, as i say, they're torn. some of them are trying to pin a rose on this report and make it sound like it's a good things and others are trying to discredit the cbo. but it's completely wrong. >> it's a pattern that is disturbing, even alarming, in this administration. when they hear something they don't like, they label it a lie. cbo is virtually unassailable. everyone, democrats and republicans, whether it be george bush, barack obama or anyone else, has gone along with cbo. they appointed this person. he was supposed to be a conservative person. unfortunately for the republicans he is an honest person. and they won't be able to discredit this. this report will resound from one end of america to the other. >> his health and human services
secretary said today we vehemently disagree with the cbo score. >> and of course, he has no facts to back it up. numbers are quite eloquent things, you know, they speak very clearly. and we all respect and have acknowledged that we need to know the numbers, the number of people affected, the amount of money that it will cost, who wins, who loses in that equation. and, as i say, in congress they still haven't come to the terms with criticizing the cbo because 24 million people losing health insurance is not a problem for them. it's an act of mercy. >> i am sure the republicans regret that they can't fire the cbo director as easily as they fired 46 u.s. attorneys. >> you said this was a knockout blow. i would be interested to hear from both of you here. >> should be. >> it seems as though they are not making ground on getting their members to support this.
seems like this might have been a knockout blow even before the cbo report. >> look, we should know the truth. before we enact major legislation, we should know the truth. cbo speaks the truth. they have been speaking the truth for decades. and to try to attack cbo is simply attacking the messenger. let them address the real issues that cbo reveals. the reason they don't want to do it is because the report is so devastating. >> when the american people see -- i tell the story about a little boy in school, in first grade. teacher says what is one and one and he says two. two and two. four. she said, good. he says, not good, perfect. numbers are very eloquent. and what you can only do is project here because we're talking about the future. but, as we all know, you really cannot go forward to write legislation unless you have the
numbers and you know what you're talking about. as i said to you the other day, the speaker was the one who signed the letter insisting that we have a cbo report before we proceeded with the affordable care act, which we >> when it was important then, now the republicans are saying it's not so important now and who is that anyway? who is this congressional budget office anyway? it's somebody appointed by the republicans to do the numbers. and to come as close as possible to what the impact will be on the american people, on their health, and on our budget. the whole purpose of all of this affordable care act and the rest was to improve coverage, lower cost, lower cost, and expand access. affordable care exactly that. this does the exact reverse. it narrows coverage to the tune of 24 million people. decreases the quality of benefits, according to the
actuarial report in the cbo report as well as costing more for team. so it doesn't achieve anything it sets out to do. it's a clear message to the constituents as to how it's going to affect them. let's see if they get the message or if once again they have a ten year that says the cuts are for the rich in the country and it doesn't matter who it affects. >> senator schumer, can senator mcconnell get this passed in congress? >> senator cotton is not someone i can usually agree with, but he said don't do it so fast. they're rushing this bill through. we know why they're rushing the bill through. the more exposure it gets, the less popular it becomes. and so -- by the way, it rings a little hollow. remember their criticisms of us. read the bill, they had no time to read the bill.
cbo issued its report three weeks before any committee voted on affordable care act and. so i think senator mcconnell is going to have real difficulty. his mainstream republicans don't like it because it cuts back on medicate and, remember med dade is for poor people, but 60% goes to people in nursing homes and it affects their kids. you're a kid, 40, 50, your mom or dad are in a nursing home, you could be kicked out. what would you do? you have to take them home. maybe mom and dad has to stop working to take care of them. maybe they have to shell out thousands of dollars out of their pockets. so it's a -- what about opoid coverage? so many of our republican senators have made a campaign, just identifiably of getting opoid coverage since medicaid
coverage. then you have the conservative -- conservative republican senators who think this bill goes too far. so senator mcconnell is -- has got a very, very difficult job behind him for -- ahead of him. and he only has the bill to blame. not anything we're doing. he, you know -- democrats to a person are not voting for this bill. he's got to get the votes, they asked for that when they asked for reconciliation and the bill made it extremely difficult for him to do it. >> i would like to say that the leadership in the house and senate as well have made fools of people in congress when they denied that they write it all night without seeing a cbo, congressional office budget report that was imminent was a matter of days away. why couldn't they ask for a and
wait for a few days so people would know what they're doing instead of going into the dark of night without any base of knowledge of what it would cost, who would be pushed off care and the rest. i think that was a disservice, i think, to their own members and their own constituents as well. >> one other thing, you know, the cbo says the costs go up by the healthcare costs for those on aca goes up about $1,000 in the first year or two. then it starts going down. it does start going down, but it's almost certainly because the plans that will be offered are so estimate py that even after the amount of average that the average person will pay go up because they have higher deductibles, higher co-pays, less coverage. one more. yes, ma'am.
>> what do you think the cost will be on healthcare. >> let me say this d it's an irony of ironies that one of the places -- the place that probably is at most effect is the heart of red -- red trump vote areas, rural areas, poorer areas in many of the red states are most affected. if you go to states where some of our senators are running for re-election but have been won by donald trump, aca, all of a sudden, has become popular and that's because people realize by losing it they're going to be in real trouble. >> it is really a sad thing, because in addition to what the senator said about those who are in red states and rural america who have largely benefited from the affordable care act and who are on it and will be pushed off, a lot of the benefit of the
$600 billion will go to blue areas and that's just not right. it's not right. but think of yourself as a trump voter in west virginia or someplace or kentucky which has really done a good job with the affordable care act too, thinking i'm going to lose my coverage and they're going to give $7 million to each of the richest families in america every year instead of giving me healthcare. is that what i voted for? i don't think so. >> thank you, everybody. >> thank you. >> there are some who would argue that you lost the speakership -- >> all right, we'll continue to watch the news conference. looks like they've wrapping up. mark, how much does this hamper the republican effort to repeal and replace the obamacare. >> we saw the health secretary
come out and say he doesn't believe in cbo. the republicans need to find a way to come up with some figures that will battle against that cbo estimate that shows that we're going to see more people ballooning that will be uninsured by 2026. >> is this a deal cruncher? >> well, it complicates what they're trying to do, the republicans are trying to make this happen fast and convince people who are on the fence, a lot of republicans both in the house and the senate, this is something worth doing and risking their political future on. these numbers complicate them. the deficit looks good. but the idea that more will be uninsured are problematic and the fact that seniors will pay five times more than now. >> stand by. we'll have much more on the breaking news right after this.
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