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lemon. major snowstorm just beginning to hit the east coast now. the justice department stalling, turning over evidence of president trump's wiretapping claim. the house intelligence committee warning they mesa pina the administration if they don't get answers. that's the capitol, look at that. that's the snow coming down, and there's more to come this is going to be nuts. if the plan goes through, a stunning 24 million fewer americans would have health care coverage 10 years from now. and a lot of them, trump supporters. what would the president say to them. >> mark, let's talk about this cbo report, 24 million more people would be uninsured by 2026 under the house republican
health bill. how is this going to complicate the plan? >> they knew it was coming, so it's not a big surprise that these numbers have come out, that don't come down favorably right now, for republicans the fact of the matter is, i'm not sure we're quite prepared by the blow back. not only from the conservative side, but also the center of the party. >> they said they were going to save some money, i don't know, $380 billion, over 10 years? >> 337. >> over like 10 years or what have you. they'll say there's cost savings. the bad news is, what you said at the top. when you are talking about 24 million people uninsured, going into a midterm election in 2018, and 2020 when donald trump will
run again for re-election that is not good timing for them. >> is he all in many on this plan? he keeps saying, well -- beautiful, then he says, maybe we should let obama care expire. >> i think he's all in on a win. i'm not sure he's all in on a specific plan, even though he is right now. he's covproviding the cover to l ryan that he needs. when he pulls back and leaves paul ryan out there in the desert, it's going to be problematic, i think at some point you're going to see a shift to a more pragmatic approach to get this done. but it may alienate the conservatives of the republican caucus. >> you know how folks are. are they concerned about this? >> they absolutely are.
we only have to go back to 2009, 2010 when they were trying to fight to get obama care done. think about this, if 20 million people get thrown off of the roles of health care, what those town halls are going to lookic loo fp we've already seen that so far, you're going to see a deflated gmic base get energized. >> independenting. >> if this bill doesn't get passed, because he said one of his first orders of business is repeal and replace obama care, he's going to get it done? >> i think he moves on to the next big legislative thing he's talked about. we've seen this from gone ald trump in the past, if it doesn't go his way, he's willing to cut and move on. they have to do something. the current state of health care is not sustainable. what they're offering right now is not sustainable. >> it's going to be tough for the gop to make the math work.
premiums jumping 20% by 2019, but decreasing in the years after that. joining me now is joe manchin democrat of west virginia. thank you for joining us here. >> thanks for having me. >> the cbo score of the new health care report is out. we'll put it up to these numbers, look at those numbers, what's your reaction to this? >> basically they're saying we're going to have a savings of $300 p.m. over 10 years, let me tell you what's not great and what's morally wrong. they're going do have a $575 billion tax cut to the wealthiest americans and insurance companies, that's not rig right. on top of that, next year they're saying 14 million people
will lose their insurance. i have a poor population, an elderly population, and a horrible addiction problem with opiates. all three of those categories get devastated over a period of time. i don't think it's right, i've been saying all along if you want to fix something, let's sit down in a constructive manner not mean spirited. not throwing them off. >> they have been touting the savings and how much money it's going to save. i want you to listen to what the president said earlier. >> the house plan will ensure access for all. when negotiating with everybody, it's a big fat beautiful negotiation, and hopefully we'll come up with something that's going to be really terrific. >> a big fat beautiful negotiation, and you have prove kwusly expressed a willingness
to negotiate with republicans often this issue. do you think they should scrap this and start all over? >> well, first of all, where the problem has been, you have people -- 20 million people who have the expansion, if you're one of the people who have the expansion. if you're not one of the people that got the subsidies and one of the new insured, if you will. if you are one of those people, you are probably paying a higher premium and higher deductible. i understand the premium is not matching up the way you intended. now we're going to start massage all this and do it differently. you're going to do it on the backs of the people who are the most vulnerable. and in my state, you're hitting all categories. so how anybody in west virginia can think this is a good idea, i want to help those people that didn't get the expansion and didn't get the subsidies, i want to help them, we can sit down and work through that with a
product in the market working more in conjunction with each other. no one's taking that approach. only one person has come to me, senator bill cassidy from louisiana. and started to sit down with me, we talked about his piece of legislation. that he had -- was introducing. i was explaining to him the concerns i had. and we were going to talk some more. understanding his bill got no consideration. that was thrown out immediately. i can't say that anyone's reached out, wanting to sit and talk with me. >> i want to ask you this, i don't need to tell you, the people who could be most affected by this are trump voters, people who voted for trump. your state overwhelmingly voted for president trump, for donald trump to become president. what are they telling you about this? >> i did tell president trump this, i said, this is a -- there's no way i can vote to
repeal, i will not vote to repeal. i know you can repeal it with 51 votes. many republican friends and colleagues are going down the wrong path by having nobody trying to fix it. the people in west virginia who basically benefited by the expansion by the affordable care act or obama care, whatever you want to call it. the people who benefited the most, they don't know how they got it. they have no idea how they received this additional health care. and basically, some help in their life. >> the talking points about it have not been accurate in your assessment. some people don't know -- they think obama care and the affordable care act are different. >> you think people have benefits from this, and they don't even they're not aware of the benefits they had?
>> not at all. i told president trump this, they don't know how they got it. i guarantee you, they'll know who took it away from them. 14 million people, i guarantee you they're going to know. why do you have to replay this? i think he's fighting with finding a pathway, maybe it sounds like is he thinking there can be negotiations? well, let's find out and see what theyen watt to do. i'm still here i'm the most participate person trying to get something accomplished. how can they justify $575 billion in tax cuts to the weal weal wealthiest? how can they do that. >> they're going to say they're saving $337 billion over 10 years, that's a lot of savings. >> it might be a lot of savings, why are you giving away -- you're saving on the backs of what you're taking away.
the people that need it the most. >> i know this is a huge problem for all over the country especially in west virginia. those seeking treatment for the opiod epidemic. >> my state over 700 people died last year of opiate addiction basically, overdose. now with all the heroin moving in, fentanyl and everything, it's unbelievable what's happening it's devastating to my state and many states around the country. i've said this, we have no permanent funding at all. i introduced a bill called life boat. it says, all the manufacturers will pay one penny per milligram for all the opiates they produce and sell in america. one penny. this is a life savings, it will save people if we have treatment centers. we have no permanent funding for treatment centers, and with this
new bill the republicans want to do and replace, the affordable care act, takes more treatment centers aa, and less places for people to get help with this bill, one penny per milligram will raise 1 1/2 to $2 billion a year, that goes toward funding to get people clean again. get them back into the workforce. we're trying everything we can, this addiction is killing america. we're losing a whole workforce. >> do you think this bill can get through the senate, and if not, what would it take? >> the bottom line is, if they're going to go through this bill, how anybody can say, i'm going to cut services for people who got the expansion. people right above the medicaid or never qualified to get medicaid before. i'm going to cut people who got subsidies, people making less than a certain amount of dollars.
and then the seniors, the elderly that were getting basically on the average of 6,000 or $7,000. to cut that down and put a cap of 4500, they're not going to be able to pay. you know what they're going to do, go back to the old ways. you know what the old ways were? go to the emergency room, they can't refuse you. that's the highest cost of delivery. did you're a working person, a working poor person, you'll claim workers comp in order to get insurance. >> that's not good either. >> that's the highest cost. >> do you think this will pass the senate? >> well, they're working on budget conciliation, which is a 51 vote threshold. with that being said, if there's three or four of my republican colleagues that say, i can't go home and look at the people,
that got thrown off. i can't go home and tell them, we had to give tax cuts for the wealthiest people and insurance companies, i'm hoping there's three or four of them. >> thank you, i appreciate your time. >> thanks, don. appreciate it. don't miss cnn's town hall, what comes next. tom price answers your questions, and wolf blitzer and dana bash are the moderators, wednesday night at 9:00 eastern. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪ as after a dvt blood clot,ital i sure had a lot to think about. what about the people i care about? ...including this little girl.
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top republicans in congress pushing back on the congressional budget office report, which says millions more americans will be uninsured if the health care bill becomes law. let's discuss, grover norquist is here cnn's senior economic analyst. author of saving capitalism for the many, not the few. perfect two guests to discuss this, gentlemen, thank you so much. the cbo, congressional budget office, analyzed this new gop health plan here's what they estimate, 14 million more people would be uninsured by next year. fwlz a $337 billion in deficit savings in there, from 2017 to 26. i know you like the savings part, what about the amount of uninsured? >> they were off by 24 million
when the cbo told us how many people obama care would cover. today there would be 22 million changes. the cbo has not a good record on those predictions. what was big today and what your conversation so far has missed completely. is the cbo just scored this plan, the trump paul ryan obama care repeal and beginning of reform, they scored this as deficit -- as decreasing the deficit. and that means that it can be passed with 51 votes in the senate. the only thing the cbo score, in the whole thing, the only numbers that matter are 1.2 trillion in spending over a decade. that means, that this reform package can be passed with 51 votes in the senate, and by having 300 billion in deficit
reduction, it means there's a lot of wiggle room, there's a lot of improvement in there to earn house company concerns and senate republican concerns the cbo's numbers. >> we discussed whether or not it would pass, you're not saying the 14 or the 24 million people who may not have health insurance between now and 2026, you're not saying that number is not important? >> no, the cbo is saying that number is less important, because they have a track record of being off -- completely off. you look at their reasoning, they're saying, there are going to be fewer people getting health care if we allow states to have medicaid block granted out. there were similar hysterics against bill clinton, when they block granted welfare, and they were wrong. >> the cbo was oath wrong because they didn't anticipate
19 states would refuse medicaid. >> in terms of how many people are on the exchanges, they have it backwards on that they were wrong there. wrong on how many people were going to buy it, they thought the mandate was going to force everybody into the effort, getting rid of the effort, they think will make everyone get out of it. they're wrong in both directions. the most important thing, they're raiding 1/3 of the republican plan, this is the reconciliation package, it's a piece of the puzzle. there are 1400 decisions as you know, that secretary price makes, all of which can help reform this, and give waivers to states. >> grover, let's send -- >> decisions to the states. >> i want robert to get in on this had as well. by 2018, the cbo predicts the premiums go up 20 to 24%. those who are 64 years or older, the report is a punch in the gut to republicans. explain that.
>> of course it's a punch in the gut to republicans, because 24 million people are predicted to lose their -- >> you said it's a punch in the gut, not the cbo. >> you can attack the cbo, the problem is, with attacking the cbo. the head was appointed by the republican congress, headed by a conservative republican economist who has expressed in the past real problems with obama care, you can't say this is biassed one way or the other the cbo is fan partisan, and if anything, the cbo is a republican run cbo. the fact that it comes out with an estimate saying the 24 million people are going to lose over the next 10 years, their health care, 14 million people next year, this is not something to just poo-poo. this is not something you can wash away, it's a huge problem, it's not just a political problem, it's a human problem. we have enormous numbers of people in the country who
desperately need health insurance. >> when you say the cbo's numbers were off. how do you respond to that. >> i don't understand -- >> by a lot. >> wait a minute, can i say what i don't understand? the original cbo estimates of obama care was off because there were changes that had to be made in obama care, and a lot of states did not express. did not decide to expand medicaid coverage obviously there's going to be a change in terms of what the estimate is going to be. that doesn't mean that right now we can disregard the cbo's estimate, this is serious stuff. there is no other highly regarded estimate of what's going to happen as a result of this so called replacement, it's not even a replacement. the republicans said they were going to repeal and replace, this is not a replacement. donald trump said, i'm going to replace it with something
absolutely beautiful, nobody's going to lose coverage. what other source do we have of understanding the consequences of this, other than the nonpartisan, republican headed congressional budget office. >> what do you think, do you think republicans are willing to put the deficit over ensuring americans? >> you have it completely backwards. we have a system that was supposed to reduce the cost of health care for americans. the president ran on a promise that he would reduce it by $2500. and it went up, not down. this plan didn't work, it didn't do what it said it was going to do, it moved in the opposite direction. and again. both of you understand the cbo scored one piece, okay? -- they can only look at what they're told to look at. the original piece that's going to pass through reconciliation. there are 1400 different
decisions secretary price gets to make. when the democrats set this up, they thought they'd be running the country forever. and they put all this power in the hhs secretary. thirdly, as the president has said, paul ryan has said. the cbo doesn't take into account that there are a series of changes that need to be done legislatively as well. we may need to break the filibuster and do it with 51 votes. >> this makes absolutely no sense. this makes absolutely no sense. here we have republicans are saying oh, go in -- >> one at a time. >> you were wrong about obama care -- you were wrong about bill clinton's welfare. >> don't worry, we're going to fix everything. 24 is the only solid evidence we have to date about what the consequences of this so called replacement for obama care is, and if you say, don't kworry -- >> it's going to get better, and
hhs is going to do one thing and republicans are going to patch this up, we have no confidence. there's no reason any republican or democrat or voter for trump who's going to be really hurt should tag -- >> robert, you were wrong about bill clinton's well fear reform. >> i was right about it, as a matter of fact. i was right about all of that. i look forward to debating you about that. >> we'll have you both back, thank you very much. the trump administration twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make sense of the president's wiretapping accusations. can we take president trump at his word? (singing) we're no strangers to love i love that! hey, i know a bunch of people who'd like that. who's that? the internet loves what you're doing. so build a site in under an hour. start for free at godaddy. ♪...run around and desert you
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sean spicer walked back the president's wiretapping claim today. i'm not sure if you saw that. and tried to redefine the president's tweets. the first was whether the unemployment rate was real. that brought this question. >> you spoke on behalf of the president, quoting him on the jobs report on friday, they may have been phony in the past, it's really real now. >> they are very real now. >> when should americans trust the president. should they trust the president, is it phony or real, when he says that president obama was wiretapping. >> there's two things that are important about what he said. recognizing that it's the -- he doesn't really think that president obama went up and tapped his phone personally, there's no question that the obama administration -- there were actions about surveillance. that is a widely reported activity that occurred back
then. the president used the word wiretap to mean broadly surveillance and other activities. >> can you say affirmatively, whenever the president sends something, we can trust it to be real? >> if he's not joking, of course. in that case. no, no, you're asking -- no, no, you're point is, every time that he speaks he's speaking as president of the united states. that it's -- >> more than 3 million americans voted illegally. is he jokes or does he believe that? >> he does believe it. >> selena, where -- seriously, where are we, when reporters have to ask whether they can even trust the president? trust what he says or writes. what's going on? >> well, we're obviously in a brand new world, we've been in a brand new world with the president and when he was a
candidate, before he woj the nomination, this is how he uses words. we've discussed this several times over, i'm not saying it's right or wrong. he uses them much more casually than we as reporters or the typical politicians use words. and it's going to -- i don't see this changing any time soon. this is what he's done throughout the entire process, i suspect that this is what he will continue to do. the people that like donald trump aren't going to have a problem with it, the people who don't like him or people in the press who have to sort of keep this in account are the ones that are going to have the biggest struggle. >> journalists, words mean a lot. i'm not saying this for -- i'm not giving you shade but it sound like, when i talk to my little great niece and u, i say, use your words.
no, that's not the right word for that. it seems so absurd. >> it's completely different than anything we're ever used to. he uses words off handedly, if you've ever read his book, he uses words in negotiating to get what he wants. he doesn't put the same value on it that we do. >> did sounds like in those tweets he was pretty specific about what he said. i don't know if we have one somewhere. he said, you know about the wiretapping thing, he said this is a sick guy. president obama wiretapped, and then he goes, sick guy, bad. it sounds specifically, he was speaking about the former president, but yet the folks around him are trying to explain something that never happened. >> you know, don, i spent a lot on my career in developing
countries, and this is what politicians in developing countries do, they try to destroy their opponents, make stuff up. they know it's very distracting and causes attention to go away from what we ought to be focused on, the serious issue, whether or not russia was involved with the trump campaign. what if donald trump wakes up tomorrow and says, i think bernie sanders is a chinese spy? is that taking more resources away from a critical mission? i think this is a real rubber meets the road moment for the republicans. they can stand up and say, enough, we are going to focus on what we have to, or they're going to continue along partisan lines to say, what else would you like us to take a look at and that's why i really think we have to go in the direction of a more independent investigation. >> are we crazy or are they
crazy? >> look, sean spencer has -- >> spicer. >> has an indefensible job. he works for a president of the united states who lies endemically, repeatedly, who has a history in business of stiffing those who he owes money to. there's no question that donald trump has been beyond trust of those who works for, and for many, many years. that's his m.o. if spicer had an ounce of self-respect, i suspect he'll be out of that job on his own volition very soon, and he ought to walk away from it. there's a more important question here, and that is, what happens when we have republicans who condone this, who see that because there's an ideological fight by their lights going on in this country a state of civil, civic warfare almost, they will condone the lying of the leader of their party.
what happened in watergate, a republican senator said, what did the president know, and when did he know it? republicans were the first to join those principled in both parties who said, we can no longer condone what the president of the united states is doing, the lying from the white house. and not just lying, the lack of responsible resporns to great jobs of the world by this president has got to be concerning republicans -- it's time for some of them to go down there and talk to this president and quit this charade. >> i have something that's new that's just in -- i got to get this in now. we won't get a chance to talk about it, breitbart.com has 30e69ed new audio of speaker paul ryan expressing his concerns about the president to a bunch of fellow republicans. this is before he was president. this was in the fall whm donald
trump was struggling with the polls and a number of controversies, listen to this. >> his comments are not anywhere in keeping with our party's principles and values, there are basically two things i want to make really clear. i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. as you probably heard, i disinvited him from my first gop event this weekend. i'm not going to be campaigning with him over the next 30 days. you guys know i have real concerns about the nominee. i hope you appreciate that i'm doing what i think is best for you, the members, not what is best for me. >> that was paul ryan, we knew about the phone call and this phone meeting, there was no audio, the timing is interesting. and what's interesting selena, he doesn't specify that he's never going to defend interrupt. this is right after the access
hollywood tape. he's clearly done with trump all together. why put this out new and slam paul ryan now? >> i'm not shocked to hear that. there were many whispers, that was the tone and the substance of that call. i don the know who leaked this or how this became available. i don't think it stuns anybody. at that moment, i think everyone was pretty convinced he wasn't going to win. it was right after access hollywood, what the establishment thought were bad debate performanceses, to me, this isn't stunning. i could be reading that -- wrong. >> how about good for breitbart, whatever its motivations for putting it out there. a good piece of journalism. >> why support the president, the guy now, just because you saw he was going to win. you lose your morals and say, okay, now i'm back on board with
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it's video the american public has never seen before, michael brown in a ferguson missouri story hours before he was shot to death by a police officer what does it tell us about what really happened if anything. let's discuss with senior analyst mark o'mara. ferguson, the war on police, the untold story on ferguson. mark, you first, you've reviewed this new video, do you find it significant to this case in anyway? and how so if you do. >> well, it's really much ado about nothing to be honest with you. i will say that law enforcement has in the past and did in this case, release information that they did not need to, that was the alleged robbery by mike
brown in that same store, just before the shooting, i thought that was it improper when they did it, and we talked about that, having said that. on the eve of the release of the documentary, this video doesn't show anything at all that assists in what really happened. it may put mike brown in a slightly different light if the different light is that he was trying to make a deal for pot and it didn't work, but it has absolutely no relevance to the way he reacted in response to the police officers commands and the shooting that happened. >> the prosecutor who investigated the michael brown case, spoke out today strongly rebuked this new video. >> over the weekend there was a pretty pathetic attempt at a video production regarding the fatal shooting of michael brown inner if ussen that was released at a fair somewhere in texas i
believe, contained in that was a very poorly edited snip et of a security videotape from the store in ferguson, and is very clear there was no transaction between the -- mr. brown and the store employees and the suggestion that he's coming back to pick up what he bartered for is just stupid. >> so arriva, the prosecutors said authorities had this all along, there's nothing new about it. do you think it changed the way the case was decided. >> he's saying this videotape that we're seeing now is irrelevant, they released the tape of the so-called robbery, but we heard the police chief six days or so after mike brown was killed. saying that darren wilson didn't stop mike brown because of the robbery, he stopped him because of a traffic violation or because he was jay walking, if it wasn't relevant to release
this video, it definitely wasn't relevant to release the robbery video since that wasn't the impetus for darren wilson. i think for me, what's important about this video is the issue of trust, what we spent hours and days and months talking about after mike brown's murder was the issue of trust and the lack of trust in this ferguson community. now to be told that there was this other videotape available, but wasn't released to the public, just deepens the mistrust that residents in the city of ferguson have toward the police department. and really about this whole police brutality issue. this says we can't trust the police department. >> jeff. both of my guests here, had mentioned the video that was released just before the shooting in the store, and many people were upset with the police department's decision to release that original surveillance video. but they said it was released to sort of justify police use of force. so does this video, the new one,
should it have been released as well for transparency purposes? >> well, first of all, i don't disagree with them releasing that video of the robbery at the market michael brown committed. it went to his motive, your guest is right that darren wilson stopped brown, because he was talking down the middle of the street. the aren't video of the robbery is important, it explains why brown would have turned that deadly violence toward darren and having just committed this robbery, it really sort of fills in that blank. this new video on the other hand doesn't do anything to fill in any blanks. at worst it assassinates michael brown's character a little bit, and if you believe the filmmakers interpretation, paints them out to be a drug dealer on top of all the other things he's been accused of.
>> do you agree with that? >> ll, don. i guess, i think what the filmmaker is really trying to do is to get some free publicity for his film. maybe that's okay, in a free enterprise society. here's my concern. look, the mike brown event and shooting was looked into very well by mccullough, it was a good decision, it was presented to the grand jury, and right after it was presented to the grand jury, we got every snip et of evidence, because you recall, we spent hours and days and weeks pouring over that information. i think we need to look at the mike brown killing investigation as being one that was done fairly well done. here's what i don't like. i think to use this now, denigrates the real civil rights tases that we have to focus on. if he wants one where civil rights were hardly violated,
call me, i've got a number of those clients, and i know arriva does as well. but this was not the case to take this type of a stand, put out an irrelevant video and then try and scream some cover-up or lack of transparency that didn't exist. >> thank you all, appreciate it. we'll be right back. ♪ announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪ ♪
a monster storm aiming at the northeast tonight. thousands of flights canceled. millions of people hunkering down. pedram javaheri has more and joins me now. pedram, this is a huge storm, closing in on the northeast. what's the track of the storm? >> you know, don, it's changed actually in the last couple hours. latest model runs suggesting it could shift closer to land. if that's the case, that reduces snowfall for some of the major cities. you go from seeing some 9,000 record-high temperatures so far this winter, versus a thousand record-low temperatures. 200 tornadoes, where 60 is normal this time of year. mother nature opens the door from canada and you get that arctic blast of air. a storm system from the south, one from the midwest, and the elements are in place for
significant snow accumulations. seeing snow come down in washington, philadelphia, and new york city. 100 million people dealing with the wintry weather. another way to look at this, talking one in every three people in the u.s. dealing with significant snow in the forecast in the next several hours. 30 million of them with blizzard warnings. into the early morning hours, from philly southward, baltimore, to washington, already at that hour, the snow may be done with. it rains and begins to mix, you get sleet. so accumulations don't look that impressive south of philly. but if the track hugs the coastline, the snowfall intensifies by 6 or 7:00 a.m. by 8, 9:00 a.m., a transition line across the i-95 corridor, that's pink, sleet. by 10 or 11:00, it's all done with for new york city as far as snow coming down.
notice the poconos and scranton, just north of new york city, that's going to be a narrow cutoff line. just a few miles could dictate between 6 to 8 inches and, i think new york city could get 6 to 10 inches of snowfall. but just outside of town, just north of town, easily could see over two feet. same story out of boston. could see 8 to 12 inches, just west of town, easily a significant amount. these variations as it wobbles up the coast will make all the difference. >> we were hearing 18 inches in the city tomorrow. we hope that doesn't happen. thank you, pedram. everybody, be careful out there tomorrow. that's it for us. we'll see you right back here tomorrow. and when you filter out the noise, it's easy to turn your vision into action. it's your trade. e*trade. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me,