increases every year, you can't afford insurance. >> do you believe what is being offered by the republicans right now is better than what we have right now? >> i think there are good aspects. i was impressed with the savings and i am impressed with the f future savings, but we need more people insured and not less people insured, but i agree if we use some of the savings -- remember, we are going to save more than $800 billion with this plan. but how are we going to do that? by reducing expenditures to medicare. that's not the way to increase the number of people enrolled. when we criticize the white house under the obamacare that the cbo overestimated how many people would join the epbgxchan, you can criticize that, and when you look at the people that joined under the medicaid portion, you can attack the
entire report or not take credit for the parts that suit your argument. >> more americans turned out to be eligible for medicaid and fewer employers started to stop coverage. and the white house's own analysis on politico, take a look at the piece, more people under insured than now. steven, i am sorry, i owe you time for next time. we are following a lot of news. let's get to it. this is cnn breaking news. >> good morning, and welcome to your "new day." alisyn is off, and poppy harlow is with us. there's a powerful winter storm slamming the northeast and mid-atlantic states. tens of millions are in the path of the storm. eight states are under blizzard warnings, and we have hours left to go. >> absolutely, folks. this is the beginning, and it's a huge nor'easter. we are expected to dump one or two inches of snow, and schools
in new york city are closed as well as schools in philadelphia and boston, and whiteout conditions causing more than 5,000 flights today to be canceled. let's begin with chad meyers. it was whipping winds and then sleet at 7:00, what is it now? >> reporter: we are moving to snow now, and the snowflakes coming down as the low pressure that will be the nor'easter just firing up right now and getting into the atlantic ocean, and almost making an ocean affect, and almost like a lake-effect snow storm but think about how bigger the ocean is than the lake. i will take you up here to the light pole, and you could see the sleet coming down earlier and now you can see the snowflakes coming down, and snowflakes this big up through upstate new york into vermont
and new england and maine today. that's the areas that i just talked about, 150 miles west of these big cities they will absolutely see two feet of snow and then when the storm really gets going the winds will blow 50 miles per hour. that's the real threat later on today. now the areas that are getting rain and even sleet mixing in with the rain, it looks just wet and that looks good now but by tonight it will be 20 degrees and the water will refreeze and that will be an icy mess all across the northeast. >> when the snow ends the problems don't end. schools are closed this morning in several major cities, including new york, boston and philadelphia. cnn's ryan young live in philly with more. how is it now? >> reporter: chris, you know, i got my back turned just a little bit to deal with the sleet and the ice and the rain coming down. that's the painful issue here in terms of being outside for this because of all the strong winds here. we are dealing with gusts up to
35 miles per hour so far, and the real story is the snow stopped around 3:30, and now we are getting the slush remix. we have seen some of the drivers who are doing the heavy equipment park their trucks because they don't need to move the ice and snow off the roads at this point. 2,000 pieces of equipment are on the road, and like you said, schools are closed. i want to show you something. we had the snow shovel thing that we will be dealing with, but we are really dealing with the sloppy and slush remey mess that could be a problem in terms of black ice, and right now that's not the issue and we had people riding by on bicycles at this point and saying it's not that bad, but tell that to my face right here. >> thank you, my friend. been there so many times. let's turn to politics. damage control. after the congressional budget
office scored the gop's plan to replace obamacare, it's estimated 24 million more americans will be uninsured over the next decade if this becomes law. these are tough numbers for the white house to sit with. what is the buzz up on the white house? >> reporter: this bill was already facing a tough slog ahead, and these new numbers are devastating to its fate going forward. we are seeing the white house and republican leaders really shift into damage control mode trying to down play the impact of this report on capitol hill. the congressional budget office projecting 14 million americans would lose their coverage next year. with 24 million people uninsured by 2026 under the republican health care plan to replace obamacare. >> we disagree strenuously with the report that was put out. >> the white house denouncing
the findings. >> we believe that our plan will cover more individuals at a lower cost and give them the choices that they want for the coverage that they want. >> reporter: their strategy? attaching the nonpartisan office throughout the weaken before seeing the numbers. >> if the cbo was right about obamacare to begin with there would be 8 million more people on obamacare than they are, and sometimes we ask them to do stuff they are not capable of doing. >> reporter: the cbo also predicting their plan would reduce the deficit by $337 over a decade, and then the cbo anticipates the premiums will drop by an average of 20% by 2026. >> something the cbo may have gotten right is the premiums will come down in cost. >> but the lower income and
older premiums -- >> we have to take care of people that can't take care of themselves. >> reporter: house speaker, paul ryan, trying to put a positive spin on what they call unreliable numbers. >> i am excited about the analysis, and they overestimate the uninsured number, just like they overestimated the number covered by obamacare. >> reporter: with ryan trying to push through the repeal, and breitbart releasing audio of the congressman back in october slamming mr. trump right after the now infamous access hollywood tape was leaked. >> i am not going to defend donald trump, not now and not in the future, and i will focus my time on campaigning for house
republicans. >> cnn did previous report what paul ryan said back when it happened in october but what is new here is the emergence of the audio clip at this specific time, the fact it was done on a conservative breitbart, they want to try and force the republican leadership and ryan to change parts of its bill, and president trump to walk away parts of the bill. let's shift to the politics of policy. joining us is mick mulvaney. we know you have been making your rounds and it's an important discussion. what is your take on the cbo scoring? >> good morning from washington, and according to the cbo it's sunny and 75 degrees this morning. i had to, it's too easy. what we saw is what we expected
to see. you used damage control so much and that's not right. the cbo is terrible in counting coverage. 14 million people will lose care in year one, and let's go quickly to what happens in year one. the mandate goes away. that's it. none of the new policies kick in, and that means the cbo is telling you that somebody on the day after the republican plan goes into affect will drop off of medicaid they are getting for free and replace it with nothing. the cbo is assuming once the mandate is gone you will give up your free medicaid and have nothing. the cbo doesn't do a very good job -- >> that seems to asaousume they
would intentionally make mistakes, and they are clear the amount of time and unknowns built into this would create vague analyses, and they are transparent about going into it. according to politico you had your own estimate when you were getting ready for the cbo and it was more than what the cbo came up with in terms of how many people would be uninsured? >> somebody mentioned that on the drive over here through the snow, and thanks for mentioning it. the office of management and budget when i know fairly well, we admit we don't know how to count coverage. if there is a cbo report that has coverage in it, the only thing we would have been able to use as base data was the cbo, and we simply don't have the ability to do that. >> so politico says that they
looked at a document on monday, in which you had your own internal analysis, and the pushback they got was this was not an analysis of the bill it's just omb trying to project what cbo was going to predict using their methodology. >> i don't know if the document exists because i have not seen it, and if it exists you just confirmed what i said, which is we don't have the ability to do it independently at omb, and if there's a document it would have used the cbo numbers because they are the only ones around and we think they are deeply flawed. so you can't put too much credit on that document. >> i get it, and let's unpack that for a second. we use the it's a little tortured logically, but you are the head of omb. do you know whether or not this
document exists because it's supposedly an omb document that was reviewed by political, because sean spicer is saying it's false and not real. is that true, is there no such document? >> two things. you said it's tortured logic. it's sound logic if what you are trying to do is see what the cbo is coming out with it. >> i get you want to anticipate what they are doing, but it's a little tortured in terms of doing it. >> go to your second point about the political story which i just found out about this morning, i don't know if there's an omb document or not, and i have not seen one and did not ask for one to be done, and it's previous there was one done under the previous administration, and all i know is omb knows we don't count coverage. >> how with the previous administration have done an analysis about a plan they
didn't know about yet? >> they did, and back in january -- >> you mean in january, not back during the obama administration? you are saying -- >> there was a cbo report out in january that scored repeal with no replace. and it showed 20 pimillion peop uncovered and so forth, and nobody was offering a bill, and it may be that document is the foundation of the document you mentioned. >> i am just saying as the head of omb you are a good guy to ask, and sean spicer says it's fake, and you are a good guy to ask because politico has it up on its website right now. >> we heard republican after republican say it's hard to sell something to the american people that includes many millions not getting insurance. do you agree with that and how do you address it? >> the democrats did it for years. the democrats sold obamacare for years even though it didn't provide people with coverage --
excuse me, health care. this is really what counts. one of the reasons i guess they ask me to do these shows, i was on obamacare, and as a member of the house i was on obamacare, and my premiums were between $12,000 and 15,000, and that was the exact same program as many millions that made a lot less than i did, and obamacare gave them a card that said they had insurance but they could not go to the doctor because they could not afford to pay for the services, and the democrats were concerned about coverage, and you still couldn't afford to go to the doctor. that's what we are trying to fix. i have news for you, that's something we can sell. >> the question becomes whom are you fixing it for, right. there are pockets of people that it seems by your projections are going to wind up doing better here, and that's an absolute in any health care scenario, but if you take money out of the system, especially in medicaid
whether it's phased in over several years or right away, those who don't have means and don't benefit from a health care savings account they are not going to have better ability to get coverage they are going to have less ability, and isn't that something you have to own? >> that's the way we looked at health care in this country for so long because the government has been so involved in our health care, and everything else you have on your person today, your phone, watch, whatever, is a of a higher quality and cheaper cost than years ago, and why can't we get medicare like that, and we can, and we can do it through the way the republicans are proposing now by giving states more control. when i was in the state legislature we used to beg the federal government to give us more control over the medicaid dollars because we could do it more efficiently, and this bill
gives the states the chance to do that so it's entirely consistent to say the quality care can go up and the cost can go down because it happens in every part of our economy. >> so can you say today, as a guarantee to the american people, don't worry, if you are getting your care through medicaid and one of the states with the expansion, or you are one of the elderly who are at a certain price point, the cbo is wrong, you are not going to lose your coverage? >> we're not pulling the rug out from anybody. you heard us say that again and again and again. the bill is specifically tailored to do that, and anybody else who had an insurance card under obamacare, and they looked at the deductible and they couldn't go to the doctor, i can say this will be better. >> even those elderly, when they have the $14,000 deductible? >> again, they have programs now that they can't get to the doctor with. you are talking about coverage, and i many talking about care, and that's the fundamental
disconnect here, but folks will be available -- capable of going to the doctor again. >> one last question, and different topic. you have a second? >> sure. >> the white house has -- >> i am sitting here in a room all by myself and talking to a camera. >> you are making the rounds and i appreciate it. and the cutting budgets for u.n., and the dramatic cuts which include a 37% or about $20 billion in a cut of funding for the state department and the u.s. agency for international development, as you know it is met with resistance by the men and women who have to keep america safe, and they say it's not the kind of priority to cut abroad because it may increase our military involvement because of the lack of diplomatic and programmatic involvement. are you worried about that? >> a couple different things. i think the numbers have you seen are not accurate. we will be rolling out the final
version of our budget on thursday and have a chance to talk about that in more detail if you would like, but let's be perfectly clear about what the budget does. it takes the policies donald trump laid out on the campaign trail and turns them into numbers. that's it. what did he say on the campaign trail? i will spend more money in defense and the border and enforcing laws on the books and i am going to spend less money giving money to folks overseas, and that's what the budget is, and that will become the main question. >> when you figure out the final number, you make the case on how it's going to affect american safety, and happy to test it here any day. >> thank you. a quick programming note. join wolf blitzer and dana bash for a live town hall with tom price, the man that will be in
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department. it now has until monday to present to congress any evidence of the president's claim that he was being tiwiretapped by president obama. the white house is now walking back what they say the president meant by his numerous tweets about wiretapping. listen. >> i think there's two things that are important about what he said. i think recognizing -- he doesn't think president obama went up and tapped his phone personally. but i think there's no question the obama administration, there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 erection. that is a widely reported activity that occurred back then. the president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broad surveillance and other activities. >> joining me now is congresswoman jackie speier of california. thank you for being with us.
let me just get your thoughts on what you and your committee plan to do if, indeed, the doj does not prepb tsent any evidence. the deadline was yesterday and they asked for an extension, and if they don't come forward with anything, do you plan to subpoena any evidence? >> i think there's no question that we would subpoena any evidence. poppy, what is really important to point out here is that you cannot wiretap a u.s. person without going to a judge and showing probable cause that there has been alistit activity engaged in. there would be a paper trail of that somewhere, something very easily to pull out of the file and give to the intelligence committee. you know, we have been following mr. trump's tweet down a rabbit
hole because meanwhile he is dismantling many of the programs in the federal government that are critical to peoples' lives. >> we will get to that in moment and get to your take on the cbo score of the health care replacement plan. i am just wondering what the long-term play s. and let's say you subpoena that and you don't get anything, and where do you go from there? this is a president that has presented things without factual basis and it has not hurt him, and for instance, his claim of voter fraud, millions voted fraudulently and no evidence presented. what is the long-term play? what are your teeth in this? >> the long-term play is we will call upon the president to recant and apologize to former president obama. you do not make those kinds of
allegations, criminal allegations, against a former president as he did so recklessly. it's that reckless behavior that the american people are going to start to wonder whether or not he is capable of doing the job. >> you think you will get president trump to do that? >> i think the congress, at least some of the members of congress, the democrats in congress will take action calling on him to recant and apologize. >> i want to get your take on this. the cbo scored the health care plan, and mulvaney took issue with the use of the word damage control, and saying cbo got it totally wrong. the argument is trump came out and said it's a big, fat beautiful negotiation, and there's room to give he's making clear. here's how paul ryan put it. >> tom price at hhs, brings more
to the table, and the other bill we will be passing, interstate shopping across state lines, and medical liability reform, and those will drop premiums even further and make health care even more accessible. >> republicans' argument is this is part one of a three-part plan. is it too soon for democrats to call this and look at this like a win? >> it's dead on arrival. this bill is not going to pass the senate for sure. maybe not even the house. all the american people need to understand is that doctors and health care providers and the aarp are all opposed to it. the only people who are supporting it are some insurers and those persons making over $450,000 a year. this is an effort by the administration to really take away health insurance from the 20 million americans that now have it that didn't have it
before. >> what they say, congresswoman, is it is them trying to make health care more affordable. i get the argument. you would see 10 to 14 million people off of the medicaid they rely on now, and this would be people because of the mandate going away that would not opt to buy it. i know folks that would opt not to buy it. the health care plan as it stands now, obamacare meant spiking premiums across the country, and human dmana droppe, and what are the democrats plan to fix the existing system, and what do you think needs to be fixed that is not perfect? >> after obamacare passed we recognized it needed to be fine tuned. there were amendments seeking to put in the bill, and when medicare was passed it was not perfect out of the box. it was amended many times. so there are many things we have
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commentator. congressman, when you did the job you owned what you said. if you say wiretapping you do not get to say i didn't mean wiretapping when i said wiretapping, and you either prove it or apologize, isn't that how it's supposed to work? >> somewhat. i would say this, chris, i do think when you are talking to intelligence community, wiretapping means wiretapping. when you have somebody not in that community, wiretapping could be surveillance. >> congressman, let's just go through the definition of
wiretapping used as a noun, an act of using a listening device to conduct surveillance over a phone line, and as a verb, use of a listening device to conduct surveillance on. >> i would say surveillance would include wiretapping -- >> he didn't use surveillance. he used wires tapped, and wiretapping, and president obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred election process. those are his words. >> what i am thinking he eluded to, there were articles run about wiretapping and to use the term wiretap in reference to them is probably that out land issue and it's not that much of a stretch. but for a normal american out there, surveillance is was somebody spying on trump and were they in the administration?
>> you know why the normal american is so angry, because you can't trust anybody once they get into office. he was supposed to be different. i am going to tell you how you would say, and i am will it plain, and then we get this with the quotes, wiretapping isn't wiretapping. the president could lift the phone and make a phone call and get the answer and declassify anything he wants with more authority in that regard than anybody else in our government and put this to rest? >> that's absolutely true. i don't think there's a great mystery when you see events like this play out as to why government and congress has a low approval rating and why the american people are scratching their heads and thinking, what is happening here? i don't understand why this accusation was possibly made. i think this is a case where you
have not just sean spicer, the press secretary, and the vice president of the united states trying to back away from what president trump put out there as an accusation a couple week ago, and i don't think a couple more days they can provide more information or insight here, and i think it's time we all stop giving so much credence and so much, you know, oxygen to these absurd calls for investigations internal or external from this president. >> congressman, not only is chris absolutely right in the president could put this to rest by picking up the phone and declassifying everything, and comey, the fbi director will be asked about this point blank on monday, and monday is the deadline for any evidence. what is the play for the white house after monday if there's no
evidence put forth? >> i do think there will be something put out there, there was a fisa request in june and one in october, and i think there's going to be something that comes of this. i also think one of the things that the president wants to get to is who are the leakers? how do you find out about the flynn conversation with the russian ambassador if there isn't somebody that leaks it -- >> but the leaks are a legitimate thing. flynn was not tapped but the russian ambassador was, and leaks are a legitimate issue and they are a separate issue from this, and words that can come back to haunt, and sean spicer did not like that i was reporting on a politico story from the omb of what the analysis might come up with, and he said please don't cite a false and misleading story.
false and misleading will come to bear fruit or not this monday. true or false? >> i'm not sure that it will. i can say this, and in terms of intelligence and in terms of congress in general, the goal posts are always getting moved by both sides. whatever the findings are, something will find something -- it's like the clapper interview two weeks ago, and if you were a republican, you said no collusion, and if you are a democrat, you would say, no wiretapping because he would have known about it. whenever you have a hearing, whenever you have a witness people take away what they want to hear. >> if you are cnn, you play both of the clapper bites back to back. >> you are tough on guests and ask tough questions and it's part of a good process. >> part of the job. sorry, jen, we will give you more time next. how does the gop plan
however you want to say it, republicans have a tough road ahead as selling this health care plan not only as it exists to the fellow republicans in the senate. let's go to our cnn analyst, mark preston. and next year 14 million more people will not have insurance. how devastating overall is this? mick mulvaney said you have it wrong and this is not devastating. >> this is a political tract and the human factor, and the human factor is unbelievable, and the fact you are going to have folks that have coverage that will not is have coverage, and some of the coverage out paces what some of the people make. the political track is the republicans who are well positioned to take full control
of washington in 2018 are going down this slippery slope where they could have a lot of problems in the mid-term elections, and donald trump is running for re-election in 2020 and can you imagine what his prospects are if many are off of the rolls. >> there's bad news and good news, and part of the insuis th people won't have to have the insurance, and that's good news for them, and -- >> that was the big problem with obamacare. >> that's why they put in the mandate, and the good news could play as bad news. >> what if you are a young person 23 years old and gets in an accident and who is going to pay for that? that's on our backs, right? you are right that the coverage
could be good news and bad news. what was interesting was the chase analyst you had, not democratic or republic, saying there are things that are flawed. the current system is flawed and needs to be fixed. >> that is lost. and humana is out and a lot of people have one provider to choose from and they can't afford it and are not getting covered. that has been lost, and the onus of democrats, what are they going to do to fix the existing plan. >> they have not offered any solutions. the anger toward washington is intense and fierce and when is that anger going to turn on both parties and say we are sick of politics and you are only trying to take care of yourselves and keep your office for another two years or six years and get something done for us. >> what they say is we have a plan, our plan is the aca, and they are watching and enjoying
right now the difficulties the republicans are having, and you are saying the onus will be on them to step up and say, we're not just going to say you didn't fix it well, we must be productive in finding a better way than what exists right now? >> they are elected to do so, and with all the anger, chris, at some point, are people going to say to the democrats, you need to get something done. if you are donald trump you can't go out and say, let's let this all collapse and then -- >> but he did say exactly that. >> yeah, and that's not how washington should work. >> which gets us to another point, where the word of the white house matters. they are at best tap dancing on things and flat out misleading things about things that don't don't matter, and this does matter. >> to your point, donald trump, for the 50 days he has been in office or the 60 days he has
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>> i wanted to take beckett because what if he never gets to. i want him to be able to do the things i got to do. >> sad but beautiful and powerful. she says she new beckett's story because he's in her little sister's class, so with a hamilton-themed prom pose annual, she asked him to the dance and he accepted. >> love that. >> isn't that great? great move, and enjoy, little man, we want to see the pictures. >> indeed. we have a loyal new viewer to this program -- >> the president? >> not a loyal viewer, but we have a new viewer. >> a microwave comment heated up on line, and today she explained to chris cuomo why her claims have been a little off.
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