tv CNN Newsroom With John Berman and Poppy Harlow CNN March 14, 2017 6:00am-7:01am PDT
>> inspector gadget had tall tools at his disposal, and kellyanne conway has only one move, go-go-alternative facts. >> there you are on late night. >> you have the laugh or cry moments going on here on a regular basis. time to go to the real inspector gadget. >> inspector gadget. love that. >> thank you so much. let's get right at it. good morning, everyone. i am john berman. thank you for joining us. the breaking news, it's not christmas. yes, the weather outside stinks but not as much as we thought it would. just a few minutes ago blizzard warnings were lifted for new york city, an upgrade from seriously awful to mildly refp
yesterday. the worst is yet to come. why? we are looking at seriously high winds and maybe black ice on the roads over thousands of miles, and this as new reaction pours in from the report from the congressional budget office that 24 million less americans will not have insurance under the new bill. and first let's get a look at what we just learned, maybe, chad, we are going to be spared just a little. >> reporter: the reason they took down the blizzard warning is because the snow is not fluffy anymore, and for a blizzard you need light snow blowing around. we lost the blizzard, and we did not lose the amount of snow when you pack it into liquid water,
and it will not be 20 inches deep worth of snow and it could be closer to 8 to 10 because of h this, and they are not salting the roads, they are just plowing them, because if they don't salt them, then they can take this stuff and put it in the hudson river and get rid of it, and if they salt it you are polluting the river and they don't want to do that. later tonight, we will get back down to 20, and after all of this is said and done, this will be the black ice situation you just said or the chunky ice, because even though we are 30, 32 degrees right now, the sleet coming down, and even sometimes rain mixing in is very wet and it's going to refreeze at 20 degrees. let's take in and back you up all the way to new england, and to upstate new york and western
pennsylvania, and central perfe pennsylvania, and the poconos, those are the areas that are still going to get 24 inches of snow. those are the areas that are going to get the blizzard, and still 14.9 million people in the blizzard warning right now, just not metro new york city. >> metro next w york city, not only place on earth, and 15 million in the way of a blizzard, that's a lot. and joining me on the phone from boston, massachusetts, i am joined by the mayor of boston, and there's a snow emergency in effect in that city. thank you so much for joining us. give us a sense of what you are seeing right now besides just white. >> right now it really has not started snowing too bad in boston, and we have been pretreating our roads all morning and preparing for the snow and by 10:00 this will pick up, and we will have plows out
all day long, and we have a snow emergency in boston so we are asking people to stay off the main thoroughfares and no parking on the streets and keep an eye out for your neighbors, and we will be removing snow all day. >> mother nature seems to have it out for you, mr. mayor. every since you have been mayor of boston you have been hit with serious snow storms winter after winter, and this is different in that it's right in the middle of the week and why does that make things harder? >> it's more complicated because of work and school. when we had the big snow in 2015, it was happening on the weekends, and this case here, we're getting it on a tuesday, and we are not sure about school tomorrow yet and we will have to see how, when and if this turns to rain and what it looks like and it's more complicated when it's in the middle of the week. when you are working and you can
take the day off it's great for you, and when you are the mayor of boston it's a whole different ball game now. >> not so great for you, huh? and you suggested if people can take the day off, they should, and schools closed in boston, and what is your message to the people in boston? >> my message is to check on your neighbors, anybody that is a house mom in boston, if you see emergencies, call 911, homeless people that may be in duress, people out of sorts, and call 3-1-1, and this is where we will be out there plowing and e ask people to be patient and helping out each other. >> you have been concentrating on the storm for the last couple hours, and there has been news from the congressional office that said if this republican
plan to repeal and replace obamacare becomes law, 24 million fewer americans could have health insurance within ten years. you have been an outspoken opponent to the republican plan. what is your reaction right now to the news from the cbo? >> this doesn't really seem like a repeal and replace, and it feels like a repeal. the amount of americans over the course of the next five or six, seven years, will be off health insurance is concerning to me, and it's concerning on a whole host of levels, making sure that americans have health insurance, and the details are very unclear about pre-existing conditions and prescription drugs for seniors and young people and health care, and this repeal could do a lot of damage to the american economy, and certainly cities and towns all across america, small community hospitals should be concerned about this. the affordable care act saved some of the hospitals, and we are working here, and congress has an ability to strengthen the
law and make it more efficient, but clearly their first shot at this has not been beneficial, and it's completely the opposite of what they are saying, and it's an out right repeal and they need to go back and do the job they were elected to do and represent the american people. >> we will let you go back to the snow and tealidealing with roads there, and thank you for being with us. >> there's a blizzard outside and storm clouds now hanging over the republican plan to replace obamacare. it's estimated 24 million americans will be without insurance by 2026, and 14 million more will be uninsured next year alone. today the president expect to have hold phone calls with anthem and speaker paul ryan. they are wanting more time to
gather evidence on the claim that president trump was wiretapped by president obama. what is the reaction from the white house? >> reporter: john, the white house continues to attack the credibility of the congressional budget office and the accuracy of the estimate, especially that seemingly devastating top line number suggesting that next year 14 million people would lose coverage over the course of ten years, something like 24 million people losing coverage, and the white house continuing to assert that this new estimate is not a body-blow to efforts to repeal and replace obamacare, and appearing on cnn this morning, mick mulvaney, the white house budget director, and also taking issue with the notion that there are in damage control mode. listen. >> i will say that again, the cbo is assuming once you get
medicaid, once the mandate is gone you will give up your free medicaid and replace it with nothing. the cbo is full of errors -- not errors but bad assumptions, and that's the only way you can get to the bad numbers, and it's not damage control but it's laying out what we thought would happen, the cbo doesn't do a very good job at counting coverage. >> reporter: unraveling that just a little bit, drops in medicaid coverage are definitely a factor in this estimate, but the estimate also suggested that the immediate problem will be the loss in penalties for not having coverage and people will simply just stop paying for their insurance, so this is a big problem, john, for the white house, especially because the president of the united states himself said everybody was going to be covered under this plan. >> insurance for everybody is what he said, joe johns. on another front the house intelligence committee asked for evidence from the justice department by yesterday to back
up the president's claims that he was wiretapped by president obama, and now the justice department said we need more time. what is going on here? >> reporter: number one, they say they need to look at the underlying law and number two they need more time to try and assemble any documents that would be responsive to the request on capitol hill. difficult problem for them, of course, because there are a lot of people including a former director of national intelligence saying it didn't happen, this wiretapping claim, as the president suggested. all of this could be resolved next week when top officials from the justice department and fbi appear on capitol hill and get hit with the same questions. >> and james comey will be asked flat out, and we will see if he answers yes or no. thank you so much. great to have you with us. this health care bill proposed by the republicans, now we have the report from the congressional budget office and now we have new reaction from both sides of the aisle on
capitol hill. this bill will need to get through the house and the senate before it gets to the president's desk. sunlen serfaty? >> reporter: many feeling like they are back on the offensive after the score was released yesterday. certainly they are trying to stay on the offensive and capitalize on this moment, especially as there are widening divisions emerging over the bill. we will see nancy pelosi in the next hour and it will be her second press conference since yesterday, and we saw her yesterday blast the report saying this is proof that house republicans should pull their bill, and it's not something they are willing to do. all the spin coming from republicans, she said, is just trying to opinion a rose on all of this to make it look good, and she was joined by senator
schumer, and it's interesting, senate democrats are against the bill but moderate senate republicans are speaking out in the aftermath of the cbo report, and for collins yesterday said changes must be made to the bill before it can pass in the senate, and others taking a wait and see approach. >> i don't think it's good news, even if it's half right. the responsible thing would be to look at the report and find ways with the issues they raised. >> i think my constituents are more worried about the medicaid, and my state is one of expanded the coverage of medicaid as you know, and this proposal that is working its way through the house has significant affects on arizona, and i want to wait and see what the final product is. >> reporter: there will be a lot of moving parts on capitol hill,
and you have speaker ryan hopping on the phone with president trump later today, and then mike pence will be up here later today to huddle with senate republicans, and then on thursday the house budget committee will markup their portion of the bill and that's the last step until it potentially gets to a full house spoke, and speaker ryan wants that by potentially late next week. >> sunlen serfaty on capitol hill. nancy pelosi will have her second news conference in less than 18 hours, and you may see a third and fourth depending on how the democrats feel about this report going forward. that cb report, we are going to break down the numbers. plus, where is the proof?
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discussion. let's stick with what we see here. on the premiums, near term, a spike in premiums, 15 to 20% higher, but by 2026, that's a good number, 10% lower premiums in the individual marketplace, and that's on average, john. let's dig into the affect on premiums depending on who you are. lower for a 21-year-old, obviously. this is legislation that is designed, you should not have to pay more under tif you are youn healthy. and look at this analysis. under obamacare a 64-year-old making $26,500 a year would have to pay 1,700 because of the way the subsidies are built, and under the gop plan half your income to pay for health care. that particular demographic i think is going to be a sticky point for selling this. >> a lot of trump voters in that
demographic, it would be hard for them. let's talk about the uninsured. >> i don't think it's a surprise that people would leave insurance voluntarily or lose insurance. according to the congressional budget office, 21 million people by 2020, and 24 million more people by 2026. if you are not getting dinged in your taxes for not buying insurance, you may walk away and not buy insurance altogether, and especially young people. >> markets, how are they reacting to all of this? >> they are blas'e about this and have had a pause, and they are waiting for details on the tax reform, quite frankly, and they are watching and waiting for the fed to be done, and the fed is starting a two-day meeting here, and you had strong jobs numbers where the fed will raise interest rates and that will come tomorrow. >> one of the things i am interested in is how the markets will react if it doesn't get
through. >> yeah, what it says about the president's agenda, and steve minutia said he would like to have tax reform by the august recess, and a lot of folks i spoke to inside the beltway said they would try to do tax reform first and then if you repeal obamacare and then the biggest benefit goes to rich people that get tax cuts and then do tax cuts for business, what are the optics of that? >> thank you so much. the nutmeg state says nuts. connecticut bracing for snow along with coastal flooding and heavy winds, and we will talk to the governor as he tries to dig out.
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revised here in new york city here, but it still pretty ugly. not ugly at all, meteorologist, chad meyers -- >> wow, was that a transition. i am seeing sleet now, and john, that's the reason why the snow is not going to pileup as much. every one of these sleet balls should have been a snowflake, and that's what piles up nice and high and fluffy and you can make snowmen out of it, and this is turn into a sleet form because there's a layer of air that is above 32. as the snowflakes try to gently come down they get into the area above 32 and melt. now down here it's 30, so by the time those little rain balls come down here they are sleet balls and not snowflakes. we lose the transition all the way from what should be about 10,000 feet up cold and should stay cold to make snow. we don't have that. that is good news because we are
not going to pile the snow up but it's not good news when you talk about the weight of what you still have to move. this is still going to be 10 pounds per square foot, for every square foot you have to shovel. connecticut, a little rain along the coast, but then all snow for hartford and even toward providence back out towards the catskills, and the adirondacks, and two feet of snow there and no sleet pellets mixed in. >> appreciate your time. in connecticut a travel ban is in effect as the brace for one or two feet of snow. you were listening to chad meyers there, and now joining us on the phone is the governor. thank you for being with us, you don't mess around in connecticut, and you shut down
the roads and there's a travel ban in place. why do you go to such high measures right away? >> the forecast yesterday was that we could expect up to six inches an hour. you have six inches of snow on a highway there's an accident and all of a sudden you have a parking lot and the parking lot gets filled with snow and it takes you a much longer time to dig out and get back to normal. i would rather interrupt a day and be normal tomorrow than to have that kind of occurrence. we also have, you know, have had great experience -- or tough experience, i might add, and we had irene which was a hurricane and we had super storm sandy, and we had snowfall in october of '11 that took electricity out for 8 to 11 days in parts of our state, and we had people honoring what they were told to do to a great extent and it let's us stay on top of our
problems. >> so far how are you doing today? >> pretty good. i made a declaration this is brownie tuesday, stay home and cook or read a book and people are complying, and people want to be safe. this is a heavy snow in the sense of the weight of it, so we are advising people if you are cleaning your own walkways or steps to do it a little bit at a time or to break it up, but, you know, so far so good. we have very few accidents to report, in part because we have very few cars and trucks on the highway. we understand essential folks, the pharmacist, the doctors and nurse, they have their jobs and we make exceptions for the camera crews, but everybody else stay off the roads. >> bring brownees to the camera crews. and then i want to ask you about the report from the cbo, the 24
million fewer americans that will have insurance, and you have been critical of the republican plan before it was announced and i want to get your reaction? >> there's no replacement to the repeal. they are not telling the truth. this analysis by an independent body headed by a republican appointee is telling the truth, that 24 million people will lose their coverage. if you are over 60 your coverage will cost you $10,000 more, and 8,000 to $10,000 depending on what part of the country you are living in, and they are going after senior citizens in a big way and that's a problem. they are going to switch a lot of costs to states. i love when republicans in washington say we are not going to cut any programs. of course they are cutting programs. they are sending my state at least a billion less over time, and they will say we didn't cut
coverage but the legislature cut the coverage and the citizens of the united states understand bs when they hear it and they have been hearing a lot of it. >> are there numbers besides the number of the uninsured, but it suggests premiums will go down -- >> wait, wait, stop right there. for a senior citizen, for people over 60, your coverage under this plan will be 8 to $10,000 a year more than currently, and when you say it will go down, yeah, sure, it will go down for a 23-year-old or 24-year-old or even a 30-year-old, but once that population -- your portion of the population is aging, and just imagine, if you are 55 now you can count on your coverage being 8 to $10,000 more expensive. this does not save money in the long run for very large segments of our population. when you talk about eliminating medicaid, what you are talking
about is sending people to emergency rooms and what you are talking about is not discovering the cancer when it's treatable or other maldisease that affect people. let me tell you our experience in connecticut. we cut our medicaid expense per person over the last three years. it's true we insure more people under medicaid, but because this system is working we are saving on a per person basis. what are we doing? they want to cut these programs and gut these programs so they can give rich people big tax breaks. that's what this is about, and that's what the suffering will be about and that's why they are asking 60-year-olds to pay 8 to $10,000 more than under obamacare. trump care is bad for your health. >> i appreciate your passion on this, and you are correct, the premium increases and decreases are dispersed over different
ages and in different ways, and overall a 10% decrease, and that's an argument i anticipate you making loudly. >> but you are purposefully -- >> i am not ignoring. medicaid is a separate issue in the cbo report. they say many will leave -- >> you can take 26 million people out of coverage, and guess what? it gets cheaper. you know what you do with that money? you give it to rich people and make them wealthier. that's what they are doing, and to call it anything but that is unfair to the 26 million people who will lose coverage under this plan. >> as i said, i am not arguing one way or the other, but i am stating what is in the cbo report and i think you will continue to make the argument you are making now, and the american people will have to make choices. great to have you with us, and
stay warm today. >> take care. a winter blast in washington, d.c., but you just heard it right there from governor malloy in connecticut, he has a spring in his step after the cbo report about health care. and now all of a sudden walking back claims he was wiretapped by president obama. the importance of quotation marks. what does that mean? it's an important question you ask,
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first the cbo delivering a blow to the republican bill, and then the justice department needing more time to gather evidence to prove president trump was wiretapped by president obama. our guests, friends, if i can get a show of hands from you to start off here, do any of you think that the cbo report makes it an easier sell to congress right now? raise your hand if there is an easier plan to sell. we will note no hands are raised. the question becomes what does paul ryan do now. you have a big, giant glaring number, and 24 million more people will be uninsured in ten years and how does he sell it? >> i think the way he sells it, remember, in the house you just need to get republicans to vote
for it, and especially with this bill which is part of the reconciliation, they will need 50 republicans in the senate. so even though i think this is a bad bill, and even though i think the cbo report is very bad news for them, the way paul ryan sells this in the house is to say, look, you guys said you wanted to repeal obamacare and you promised you would repeal obamacare, this is the bill, warts and all. now where the cbo becomes a much more dangerous thing is in the senate. in the house, paul ryan, i think he can pass it. >> yes or no, can the bill get through the senate? >> it will be incredibly -- >> yes or no? >> i vote no. >> and paul ryan says he is encouraged by the cbo report, and it says it will reduce premiums by 10%, which is not insignificant, and the white
house says they disagree stepb w strenuously. if you are hearing that, and you are a republican on the fence in the senate and you are hearing disastrous report and untrue and then encouragement from paul ryan, what are you supposed to think? >> another thing you are hearing from the white house, this is still up for negotiation. they have not taken things conservatives want. they signaled that this is still something to negotiate, and i think this is because of the reaction of the senate, this is harder if you are in a district that might be on the cusp, and you are a republican in the house, because you are being asked to walk the blank on a bill that could be doa in the senate, and you just threw a vote away and will put yourself out there for something that might never become law. we saw that with democrats when they lost the majority and i am not saying they are quite there yet, but if you are somebody that is trying to weigh the pros
and cons of this -- >> now i will ask, $300 billion off the deficit, that's a lot. a 10% premium cut is a lot. i mean, isn't there -- aren't there things in there the conservative resistors should like? >> going back to what matt said, that's what speaker ryan will sell to his members on the conservative side of the aisle, that the cbo says deficit reduction and getting rid of obamacare and this is a chance for them to push forward a legislative agenda that they have been promising for years. the challenge for the tea party and speaker ryan and the white house at this point is not whether this passes or doesn't, it's that president trump campaigned on the idea that he would come up with the idea that
lowers the cost and provided more coverage and provided better coverage, john, and i don't think anybody thinks that bill does this, so whether or not it passes they have a rocky road ahead on the republican side. >> he said insurance for everybody, and in an interview which are problematic words for the white house and speaker. okay. yesterday for some reason the white house chose to start walking back the president's claims that he was wiretapped by president obama. sean spicer at the podium during the press conference, and this is what he said. >> he doesn't think president obama went up and tapped his phone personally, but there's no question the obama administration, there were actions about surveillance and other activities that occurred in the 2016 election. the president used the word wiretap in quotes to make broadly surveillance and other activities. >> i will not make air quotes with my fingers right now but know i am thinking about them. we will get to a parsing of what
sean spicer said, but first i want to know about the timing. why now? last week sean spicer said he would let the tweet speak for itself. >> well, he has to, and they are look into this, and the report may say there's nothing to it, not any surveillance, we don't know et yet. there are at least two things they are walking back from, and obama didn't do it, or order it, and a wiretap is not a wiretap. so you know, they are going to probably spend the rest of the week walking away from this and hopefully people forget about this because there's so much news to deal with. >> there's speculation, and we don't know for sure but the speculation may be because there is nothing there, and that would be one plausible explanation. >> it could be a surveillance on a computer. >> good luck forgetting about it, because there's a hearing on
march 20th in the intelligence committee, and comey is going to be asked about this, the fbi director, and you have to imagine it will be brought uptiup particularly because they are asking for an extension, so this is going to come out one way or the other next monday, and we will hope it doesn't raise more questions than it answers, but this is not going away anytime soon. >> so this gets to what is an argument where we hear too much about, literally and figuratively, maybe we should not take the president literally, and maybe he didn't mean president obama did it when he said president obama did it, and i think maybe it's time to get beyond the argument of literal versus figuratively. >> yeah, i think it's fraying a
little bit at this point. in terms of the tweets and the quotes, you could write a master thesis on the way president trump uses the tweets and yesterday sean spicer was abusing the notion of air quotes because what matters is the plain reading of the tweets, and i think this is what you are getting at, john, is the president was suggesting and inferring strongly that president obama was playing a hand in spying on him, and whether that means wiretapping or something else, and now it's suggesting they are not confident and even given more time the justice department may not come up with the smoking gun they are looking for, and it's going to force the committees to dig deeper because their credibility is on the line because the white house kicked this to them. >> punctuation is not policy and is not true, and jackie, and
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heard before audio of house speaker paul ryan refusing to defend then candidate trump. now the audio was recorded after the shocking "access hollywood" tape came out. donald trump made very lewd comments about women. this is what speaker ryan said in a conference call with lawmakers last fall. >> his comments are not anywhere in keep with our party's principles and values. i'm not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. you guys know i had real concerns about the nominee. i hope you'll appreciate that i'm doing what i think is best for you, the members, not what's best for me. so i want to do what's best for our members, and i think this is the right thing to do. i'm going to focus my time on campaigning for house republicans. >> we didn't have the audio but cnn reported about this phone call when it happened. the call in and of itself is not news. the big news, the big question is, why now? why is breitbart posting of this
now? joining me is kurt bardell, a former spokesman for breitbart. thanks for joining us. it is a simple question. why is breitbart posting this video highlighting a split between speaker ryan and the president? why are they posting it now? >> i think what you're seeing is a continuation of a long campaign that started at breitbart before president trump was elected. an objective steve bannon made very clear that he perceived paul ryan to be the enemy. their objective was to take him down. around the same time this happened, breitbart published a story alleging paul ryan was work with hillary clinton to get her elected. you're seeing a continuation with that with the purpose of setting up paul ryan to be the fall guy for when this health care plan fails. >> paul ryan to be the fall guy for when this health care plan fails. that's what people were looking at after the cbo report came out. breitbart posted this maybe to
set paul ryan up frp something. and steve bannon. until a few months ago, he was running breitbart. are we to believe that bannon has no more connections to what breitbart is posting? >> i don't think there's any question that steve has significant influence. look at some of the hours a in the white house. he brought over julia hawn who wrote the story in october alleging paul ryan was working with hillary clinton to get her elected and undermine president trump. there's a direct line between what you see at breitbart and really the political ambitions of steve bannon. and this is just a continuation of that. it's designed to set up the speaker. >> so again, basically if you're following all of this, you're suggesting that steve bannon, as of last night, was trying to set up house speaker paul ryan to be the fall guy if obamacare -- if the repeal of obamacare doesn't pass? >> when you look at the story they published, a lot of
editorializing using quotes from people like senator rand paul alleging that somehow speaker ryan has misled the president about his ability to get this bill passed. there are a lot of undertones to paint the idea this will fall on paul ryan's lap and if it doesn't succeed, it's paul ryan's fault. >> very interesting. curt bardella, appreciate it. you know, you've been on the inside. republicans this morning are dealing with the cbo report that says 24 million americans more will be uninsured if their repeal or replace bill passes. in just a few minutes, democrats have a chance to speak. we'll hear from house minority leader nancy pelosi. stick around. we'll bring you those comments live.
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this morning. right now, 18 million people under a blizzard warning. at least five states already declaring a state of emergency. there are sleet balls in new york city. that from our chief meteorologist chad myers just a few minutes ago. then there was a storm on capitol hill. any minute, we will hear from house minority leader nancy pelosi. looking at live pictures on the right. she'll hold a news conference. she's extremely eager to talk about the republican plan to repeal and replace obamacare. why so eager? well, the congressional budget office report that now predicts 24 million more americans will be without insurance by 2026 if that republican plan becomes law. we have a team of reporters covering this one. want to begin with senior white house correspondent jeff zeleny. the white house out trying to spin this this morning. >> they are. and using your storm analogy, the storm over health care is going to last longer than the snowstorm here in washington, without question. now there's no surprise ne