tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN March 14, 2017 9:00pm-10:01pm PDT
>> good evening and thank you for joining us. the question of ties between the trump campaign and russia. the question we know both the house and senate are investigating with at least three other committees and a subcommittee and the fbi even though the bureau refused to publicly confirm it. we learned that james comey is about to go on the record.
what are you learning? >> anderson, i am told by sheldon white house of rhode island that he was told in a private meeting that fbi director james comey would assure him and his fellow senator whether or not there is an investigation ongoing into the drum campaign. during the presidential election. they have not confirmed the existence of the investigation and not confirmed that with senators. in a private meeting on march 2nd, james comey would not tell the two senators whether or not there was an investigation ongoing. even though they sit on a subcommittee which is investigating the issue of russia. comey according to sheldon white house said he would confirm one way or another whether or not that investigation is occurring by this hearing tomorrow in this
senate judiciary subcommittee where they explore the medaling in the elections. this comes as shelled oun white house and lindsey graham asked for evidence to wire tapping, the claims that president obama ordered wire taps and surveilled him during the election. if he does not get a response by tomorrow before that hearing, he told them they would make it a tough hearing on the justice department at the hearing on russia. a lot of news could happen tomorrow if james comey goes public or said this investigation is ongoing. right now the fbi has not yet responded to my request. >> lawmakers have not gotten evidence that is something lindsey graham asked for. they have not gotten evidence that president trump was wire tapped on the order of president obama. >> that's right.
there was an intelligence committee that happened earlier today in which they discussed his issue of russia and members who left that meeting and said no, they have not seen any evidence yet including senator joe manchin. he went into the briefing and there was no evidence whatsoever even though he met with james comey last week. one other senator who demanded the information is general and he said it's time for the administration to explain if there is evidence there. >> what's your reaction to them saying it's time to respond to the wire tapping. >> they need to ascertain the answer because americans need to know if indeed the former president of the united states wire tapped the trump tower as a violation of the law and of the utmost seriousness.
>> if there is no evidence, what's your reaction? should he apologize? >> let's wait and see what the results are. i have made very clear that the american people deserve the answer. >> anderson, the question is whether or not the fbi or the justice department will respond in a private or a public setting. there will be questions that james comey will get in a house hearing where they will be discussing the issue of russian interference in the election and the senate intelligence plan to have their own hearings later this month and mark warner, that top democrat wants to hear from trump associates about the contacts including roger stone, the former trump adviser during the campaign season. >> we managed to find a panel. we have a town hall coming up
thursday night. jason miller is here. now a cnn commentator. gloria borger is here and washington correspondent from the new yorker. the budget office estimates he might get a flight out of here sometime next week. senior columnist at the daily beast. is this significant that tomorrow we may learn if they investigated? >> comey has been sting to being a lot more forth coming. he is not as worried about the fbi cooperation. it has been reported for months now that this investigation exists. it was a serious concern to the clinton campaign that director comey talked publicly about her
investigation into her e-mails and would never confirm or talk publicly about the investigation into trump and his connections to russia. yeah, this is a big deal. when he goes public with this, it will force the white house to respond as well. >> the questions about what kind of an investigation it is if there is one. >> if it's limited to the question of russian hacking or goes beyond to some kind of collusion with people in the trump orbit and the russians. my question is, tomorrow does comey answer the question of do you think that donald trump has no evidence whatsoever to say that barack obama was wire tapping him. we got word when it surfaced that the fbi wanted the department of justice to clear it up and nothing was forth coming from the department of justice. we heard that comey was upset about it and that hasn't occurred, but he will clear that
up tomorrow. >> how significant would this be if there is an investigation? would it under cut the white house line that all these stories are based on anonymous sources and it will be on the record? >> i look forward to them clearing it up. we will find that there was no collusion between the trump campaign and foreign governments or entities. this is ludicrous and makes no sense. look. the election is over and donald trump won and he is president of the united states and it's clear that there is an effort of folks whether it's the career bureaucrats or insiders or maybe people who are upset that their cart is getting tipped over. they are trying to delegitimize the presidency. hopefully they will make clear that this is just a bunch of nonsense. >> is that what it is? an attempt to delegitimize the victory? >> no. if the shoe were on the other
foot, people would want to know did barack obama conspire with the chinese? you guys made up kenyans and muslims and all kinds of stuff and there is real evidence here. if they said they are not investigating this, that would be a huge deal because there is so much evidence and concern. if they confirm, i think you have a hard time saying that comey who you guys loved months ago is somehow up to no good. >> there is a danger for democrats that they have gone too far out on a limb and there is nothing there. smoke, but no fire. >> the smoke is we know that the russians illegally hacked into the democratic party to tip the election to trump. we know that. what we don't know is did trump and his associates help? that's worthy of an investigation. don't bet against jim comey. who else has had beautiful
conditions? he never has been willing to confirm any investigation about trump because the justice department guidelines can't confirm or deny the investigation unless they have to to undermine hillary's election. that was a big exception comey created. i'm a person who is deeply distrustful of mr. comey. he needs to know this. he's a smart guy and he is walking in and he was u.s. attorney, attorney general of the state. he knows the questions to ask. >> lindsey graham said on the record he will be tough if they don't come and respond to the questions he already asked about any alleged allegations of wire tapping by obama. >> in a way this is a return to normalcy. we had so much happening in the media and leaks and what not. now you have adults who are
serious about how to be prosecutors coming into a room and maybe having closure. it would be awesome if that closure were to clear the president, but i think it's possible that there is a scenario where donald trump didn't know anything. his campaign didn't know anything, but one of his associates might have been communicating and that will be muddy. >> that doesn't -- that might mean more than the investigation. there is no end result. >> the ongoing investigation. it would confirm what would be reported. if on the other hand he said there is no investigation and never has been, a lot of us in the media will have to be -- >> how could you not investigate. it has been reported that there is an investigation saying none of that is true. >> what are kind of
investigation? >> will he be able to say what the scope is. is it an investigation purely and narrowly into hacking and that could then lead to the question of did somebody in donald trump's orbit, were they eavesdropped upon because they were talking to russians upon whom we were listening or is he just going to say there was an investigation and no more. >> they wanted to look into this, but they have been hobbled because they don't know what they want that counsel to investigate and don't know if there is an investigation. if comey confirms there is an investigation and gives parameters about what it's about, that will allow a lot of democrats to say that needs to be put into the hands of independent council. >> for comey tomorrow said there is no evidence that the obama white house was wire tapping
president trump or the campaign, that there was no fisa request. >> you have to look at it another way. what if they say there was something. that's a real concern. too many folks in the media and especially the democratic party are quick to jump on this and attack the president. the president has been right a lot of his predictions whether it's sensitive materials on a leader's computer or the rise of trade. >> he could come out and say this is what i know. he could call the fbi and say release the information. he could do that. >> a second ago there was no investigation. now you are saying he might confirm trump was right which would mean there is an investigation. >> there are a lot of things we don't know. >> the president can declassify anything he wants. he can call james comey or anybody else and say declassify this and let the american public know that somebody was listening
in on my phone conversations. >> i just think that part of the thing that trump's defenders need to take responsibility for, this is a huge crime committed by obama against not just president trump, but the democratic process. you don't handle it with a tweet. you don't create the hoopla because if trump is right, you have a whole country to hold together. >> he did devote three tweets to it. >> even if you guys are right, what you are seeing is if this is a precursor to how trump will handle major issues and constitutional crisis, you have real problems. doesn't that bother you? you would advise him to handle something this serious this way? >> he has his own style it and worked for him.
306 electoral votes and look where it got hillary clinton. >> the most important position in the world is a tweet in advance of an arnold schwarzenegger tweet the best way to accuse the former president of the united states? >> the media attacked the president over and over for his style and what works for him is going to keep going back to it. >> what else worked for him is the russian hacking. he won because he is an extraordinary salesman. i don't take that away from him. he is legitimately the president, but he was legitimately helped by the russian hack. he is trying to divert attention by attacking the former president for doing something monstrous which i don't believe. to believe his theory, you have to believe barack obama subverted the constitution and committed an outrageous crime to
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facing pressure with the promise of health insurance for everyone. more on all of it with jim acosta. >> it's a rare moment when president trump passes up a chance to speak his mind. that's what he did when asked about the budget office analysis with the republican proposal to replace obamacare. the white house is pushing back on the plan that found 14 million more americans would be uninsured by next year and 24 million by 2026. as one top source put it, the headlines are terrible. >> the estimates are consiste consistently wrong. >> scores of americans or millions would be without health insurance. >> would you concede that there will be coverage losses perhaps in the millions. millions of people will not have health insurance as a result of
what you are doing? >> again, sure. you have to look at the current situation. >> sean spicer tried to explain how the republican plan satisfies the president's promise to cover every american. >> the president is okay with millions of people without insurance? >> right now they are not getting that. by giving more choices, more republicans can buy health care for their family or themselves or their business without paying the penalty. the system now is not working. >> the white house is rejecting the predictions on coverage, it seems they do like other parts. like a reduced deficit and reduction in premiums. >> they are saying just with what we are doing on first prong, 10% decline. that's a dig 95 cant deduction. bringing cost down. that's a big deal. >> the cherry picking of data is low hanging fruit for democrats. >> all the hokus pokus language
they talk about. you are not going to be worried about cost. it doesn't seem like that much is worried about coverage. what i'm saying to them is that the american people need coverage. >> i understand the white house is working on changes to the bill. what are you hear something. >> that's right. they are working on changes with republican leaders on the current bill. if you need to add to your washington jargon, it's a manager's amendment and they are involved in the process and said these manager's amendments are typical with any bill of this size. it's not envisioned that they will have major changes made to the piece of legislation. if you are there among republicans. they are talking about coverage and not covering americans and covering their rear ends in case it blows up in their faces.
>> if they want to get this out of the house, a lot of republicans are saying privately they are going to need changes to the bill. >> we will look at more on the political side effects as it were where it could be fatal. they have the latest from capitol hill. working with republican leaders and trying to make changes. what are you hear being that effort? >> if you track back and talk to senior gop leadership officials, the white house was on board with the bill as is. that strategy included not making major changes going forward. every time the president told conservatives this is up for negotiation and every time the press secretary said there could be major changes, that under cut this is effort entirely. there is a lot of concern inside gop leadership circles what the white house is doing is not helping the process. it is making their job difficult. jim hit on the crucial point. as it stands, house republican
leaders as much of their conference remains unsettled are not planning changes to the bill. the opposite creates more problems as they try to wrangle votes. >> what would leaders like to see to get the bill passed? >> sell. that's what they want. they don't just want individuals meeting with leaders. they want the president himself to bring the hammer down. he is going to have a rally on health care. those events are helpful. the reality remains when i talked to gop sources, the president will have to come down hard on conservatives where he is popular in his district. at some point he is going to have to lay out an ultimatum. they can't be pizza parties and bowling. he has to tell the members it's time to get in line. short of that, there is no question. >> we have been listening to conservative concerns. what might it look like in the
right place? >> what i'm hearing a lot of is the focus has been on conservatives. they have been the most boisterous about their concerns. the real concern with house leaders is the moderates. if you look at the coverage number and the measures that the conservatives are ticking on, if they start to move and the changes that white house officials say they are open to come to be, those moderates start to leave en masse. the reason is simple. politics. they serve to lose their races in the swing districts if these major changes are made. if the concerns are not assuaged. that's more than anything else why you see republican leaders saying you need to stay unified with us and can't go off and free lance here. those are the members that in the end they believe will be the hardest to bring around. >> thanks for that. back now with the panel. you have the white house pushing back on the report, but only
part of it they embraced. >> they like the deficit reduction part of it because it reduces a deficit $337 billion over 10 years. much comes with cut backs in medicate. that's what the moderates are upset about. i have to ask a question after listening to phil. if you are a republican house moderate, why would you go out on a limb and vote for this bill if you know it's going to get changed in the senate and then you will be on the record voting for something ha is unpopular in your district and mitch mcconnell said this is not going to be the final bill. unless they can get together on what they are going to do, the house members who have to go first will say wait a minute, why am i walking the plank? >> today was a good day under the radar. conservatives starting to move against this bill. we have seen breitbart for a
couple of days. eric bowling on fox news saying this is not good. the news max guy said we need a more pop lift plan. conservatives are walking away from this. >> there is no three stage. >> tom cotton, bona fide conservative from arkansas doesn't like it at all. donald trump has to make a decision. it either needs to be cut and run, abandon this and sell out paul ryan or stay and fight. he has to decide. >> when you say fight, you mean back it? >> push the republicans. you have to go to the conservative members and say you ran for the last years and said you wanted to repeal obamacare. you promised. this is your chance. you don't do it. i'm going to campaign in your district and tell all of your constituents that you lied to them. >> what are should the president
do? >> i'm bewildered at how they didn't have a bill. they helped to elect the republicans. what have you been doing? a couple of things. i was glad to hear an openness to making changes that there might be a manager's amendment with the inside baseball and the way they clean this up. several things we need to do to see success with the bill. they have to do a better job of making it clear to the american people or reminding them this bill is heading off a cliff. you look at the way the rates are going up. >> the white house has been hammering that message. >> what are people don't realize is the urgency that we need to act. the second part is make sure people know how they will benefit. the third piece is this is the time. we have seen what the hill came up with with ryan care or
whatever you want to call it. the president needs to engage and say he's the negotiator in chief. if we are going to save this thing -- >> bannon preferred trump care. a couple of things here. >> this is the most important part of the overall dram a. up until how, trump can say i am the deal maker. i know how to make deals. nobody makes better deals than me. so far he made every mistake you can make in trying to put this together. he is negotiating against himself and moves in one direction and signals another. he undermined himself and his partners. if you watch it closely it may turn out that he hasn't read his own book and doesn't know how to negotiate. >> we will take a quick break. have republicans promised too much where they stand to lose the most?
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with leaders to make changes to the bill before it comes up for a vote in the house. >> we will terminate and replace obamacare. it will be replaced with something that is terrific and a lot less expensive and much better coverage. i'm not going to leave the lower 20% that can't afford insurance. everyone has to be covered. i want to take care of everyone. you have a group of people who are not able to take care of themselves. >> i will do that through a different system. i don't care if it costs me votes or not. they will be taken care of much better than they are now. >> the people that voted for trump are the losers in the paul ryan bill. if you are poor, white, rural,
older american. >> there is not the subsidies that exist. >> they are not as generous or if you are just over the poverty line in one of the states where they expanded medicaid, you could lose that. you listen to the clips and trump on sort of the welfare state has a very different view than the neolibertarians in the republican party. what's interesting is he has a faction in the white house who are nationalist pop lifts and have a different view of the paul ryans of the party. this bill does not represent them. this is the ryan wing and not the trump wing. >> breitbart is attacking. it's not just that they don't like each other, but they have different world views. >> paul ryan believes that philosophy and you can argue what the bannon-trump wing is
liberal. >> what the alternative health care would be. show me what the breitbart is. >> what it would be is pop lift. what this bill is not is pop lift. bannon understands. trump got elected by an older white working class. they get hammered by this bill. they get less by 3-1. counties that voted for hillary get more. there is a $600 billion tax cut that only applies to the richest americans. >> that's the question that if this thing starts to go south, why would donald trump go down with it. >> the other thing that donald trump has been so brilliant about is understanding his message, understanding who his voters are and speaking to them when other people weren't. hillary clinton wasn't in the way that donald trump was.
this is paul ryan's plan and he is not speaking to the voters. >> one of the things that go back to it where we need to focus on the choice and the competition to create more health care opportunities for people. the president when he was running is being able to buy insurance and talk about small businesses being able to pool together. talk about expanded hsas. because of the reconciliation process, they can't do it. if i were in the white house or advising the president, i would say load it up and you ran on this, you have a mandate. put it to the democrats that are up in 2018. make them take this vote. this is something the president won on and let's go and watch the democrats sweat a little bit. >> the democrats are standing by watching this thing. >> it's fun, but tragic. >> here's what i noticed in the campaign. trump would do these things where he stuck up for poor
people. stick up for the needs of people. he stuck up for planned parenthood. those of us who were attentive to what's going on said this particular mix is working. i don't think the people in washington, d.c. who are in the republican party said hooray, we have all the majorities understand how they got it. they didn't get it based on a paul ryan world view. that wasn't what won. what you have is a guy who has a philosophy had he remembers is that is for the little folks with a bill that is not. that's not going to work. >> the question is and maybe jason, you can answer this. if the president is for universal health care and ryan's bill is for universal access in some way, shape, or form to health care, the president wants to guarantee health care to everybody and it's not going to be popular. what does he do? he doesn't love paul ryan.
paul ryan doesn't love donald trump. we know that. it's an arranged marriage here. they are stuck with each other. does trump pull away and say we are going to start over again or go down with the ship or does he betray the people who voted for him? >> i think this is where the president steps in and saves this bill and improves it and gets through. >> can he do that? >> he's the negotiator in chief. he can get it through. going back to the point of leaving obamacare in place as it is is not acceptable. premiums are going up and people's access to care is diminishing. >> even the opposition is easy. proposition is hard. opposition is easy with bill clinton or anyone else. what you are failing to do is put forth someone you can agree on.
and you wouldn't help us to make it work. your party let people width or the fine and refuse to expand medicaid and did horrible things to poor people. you get a chance to govern and governing is hard. >> iowa congressman steve king accused him of while doubling down on the controversial tweets about immigrants. >> the stock and trade is to identify and trying to drive wedges between race.
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when you separate the differences, you end up with people at each other's throats. he is adding up hispanics and blacks fighting each other before that happens. >> what he meant by hispanics and blacks will be fighting each other we will leave to him to explain. jorge ramos the target of the latest comment. i want to get your reaction to king's comments about you. what's your response saying you are trying to drive a wedge between race and ethnicity. >> this country is changing. this demographic revolution. it is not what i think. it is what is happening. they projected that in 2044, whites will be a moinority. that's not what i want or can
change. >> they said you are celebrating. >> i am celebrating the diversity of the country which i find beautiful. the essence of the united states is diversity and that it's a multicultural and multiracial country created by immigrants. that declaration that we know all men and women are created equally. that is what i am celebrating. what i am concerned about is what he is saying and that he might with the report at the white house he might want to make america white again. that's not the united states that i know. that's not the united states that i celebrate and love. >> when it am cans to the original tweet that the u.s. can't restore the civilization with somebody else's baby, he is standing it and amended it and saying if you can go anywhere in the world adopt these babies and put them in households assimilated into america, those
babies will grow up like any other baby. the whole notion is such a rejection of the belief that immigrants add to the culture. that is not just about adopting the culture and that is a changing thing and it's positive that we learn new things from new people who arrive. >> what can you expect from a member of congress that once compared immigrants to dogs or proposed to electrify the walls between mexico and the united states. that's exactly what he is saying. what babies are he talking about. i was checking the latest numbers. right now all the babies being born in the united states right now, more than half are minorities. >> do you feel he is using code language? his original tweet was in support of the netherlands who is talking very much against
muslim immigration and wants to shut down mosques in the netherlands. >> those code words. he is using culture and he means he wants america to be white again and take us back to 1965 when whites and hispanics were low. everything changed after the act of 1965. >> one of the things he said before his interview he tweeted make western civilization great again. the western civilization versus the rest of the world. >> let's just remember this was never a white country from the beginning. there were native americans before the pilgrims and africans came here and spanish was spoken here before english in 1513. this has always been a diverse country. i think that's exactly what we
have to celebrate and protect. >> the notion of who is american now when you look back at when irish immigrants were coming in large numbers. there was a huge movement against irish immigrants and now they are just as american as everybody else who is an american citizen here. it's very much how you view what an american is. that changes over the decades. >> exactly. you know lately some people don't like the fact that i have been saying that this is our country. it is yours and mine and ours. when i mean our country, i mean it's latino, white, african-americans, native, asians. >> there is a push on the left to try to attach his comments to the president. is that fair because sean spicer
today said i think the president believes this is not a point of view he shares. he believes he is president for all americans. i will leave it at that. >> i want to hear him tomorrow. i think he will give an interview to fox news tomorrow. i would like to hear him say i do not agree with congressman king. that would be fantastic. we have to remember that trump made many racist remarks. he criticized mexican immigrants for being rapists and criminals and drug traffickers. that is absolutely false. many make the comparison, it's for a reason. something that trump said on june 16th, 2015. >> always good to talk to you. >> thank you. >> breaking news up next on president trump's taxes. we'll be right back with that. l.
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>> that's right. the white house is trying to get ahead of a story that is floating out there, it's about to be reported that president trump back in 2005 paid $38 million in taxes on 150 million dollars in income. there's a report out there that his 2005 tax return was obtained and that's where that information is coming from. and so the white house is trying to get ahead of this story, because obviously, the president has refused time and again to release any of his tax returns, but of course it looks like the 2005 return is getting out there. we have not obtained it at cnn, but we have obtained a pretty scathing statement from the white house. they are none too pleased about this. let me read this and put it up on the screen. it says you know you are desperate for ratings when you are willing to violate the law for a story about two pages of tax returns. from over a descending ago. mr. trump was one of the most successful business men in the world. with a responsibility to his company, his family and his
employees to pay no more tax than legally required. he paid $38 million on an income of more than $150 million as well as paying tens of millions in other taxes such as sales and excise zpaksz employment taxes. and this illegally-published return proves just that. despite the substantial income figure in tax paid, it is totally illegal to steal and publish tax returns. the president will focus on tax return that will benefit all americans. so anderson, it does appear that even though the white house did not want this information out there, they didn't obviously want this tax return made public, they're not disputing what's in that 2005 tax return. as a matter of fact, they're trying to get ahead of the story by essentially giving the rest of us some of the pertinent information there. this just goes to show you, and i think this escalates the
desire of many out there to obtain these tax returns. it makes it the holy grail of all holy grails, when it comes to covering president trump when it's this closely-held secret, when he doesn't want to release his tax returns to this extent. i think it's just going to make people to want to see those tax returns even more. >> we should point out during the campaign, then candidate's trump's reasoning was he's under audit. his own attorneys put out a letter explaining that tax returns if memory serves me, up to 2004 or something were no longer under audit. i might be wrong about the year, >> that's right. >> by one or two years. but theoretically, those returns could have been released because they weren't under audit, but still, donald trump refused to release any tax return. >> and that's right. remember during the campaign there was that story that came out in the "new york times," there was a metro desk reporter obtained one of the tax returns for then candidate trump and it showed something in the
magnitude of $1 billion in losses in his casino businesses. and that essentially allowed the rest of the world to extrapolate out that he was able for many, many years, perhaps 18 or so years to not pay any income taxes. hillary clinton tried to make that an issue during the campaign and donald trump still won the presidency. that is why you hear him say time and again, if americans care that much about my tax returns, they would not have made me president of the united states, and he does have something of a point, although you do have a lot of democrats in washington, even some republicans who would like to see the law changed to require candidates in the future to release that information to the public. even though it has been tradition to release this on their own, donald trump bucked that tradition, blaming it on the excuse that he's on a routine audit.
anderson that, seems to be an excuse they're just going to use time and again. i think donald trump deep down inside feels like the public doesn't care enough about this, so he's just not going to do it. but it does raise the possibility that every once in a while, one of these is going to leak out and it's going to cause a mess for this white house. >> back now with the panel, also joining us, philip bump. what do you make of this? we're understanding this is supposed to be one return from 2005 and the 1040 form. >> what's really important is we don't really have that many tax returns. if you go back to 1975, there's been a handful of times we've learned how much donald trump has paid in taxes. but how much he paid in taxes is probably the least interesting part of what could be contained in that tax return. we'd like to know how much he gave to charity. of course we would like to say where he earned his income. that's the big question.
what donald trump just got ahead of the $38 million, that's interesting. we didn't know that before. but it really is the tip of the iceberg. >> right. and the charitable contributions. because during the campaign he said he'd given tens of millions of dollars in charitytial contributions in terms of business dealings there are a lot of questions about overseas business dealings and whether tax returns would give us indication of dealings in other countries and where. >> yeah, that's exactly right. it appears what we will be seeing is the first couple pages of his tax return. which won't give us any of that detail. but, you know, this is still an interesting year, the year after the apprentice debuted. this is something that the wall s street journal reported in march of 2016 and we already know that
the statement that was just read made reference to this. we already know he took a big easement because of one of his properties in new jersey. so we already have some of the details there. what we're hoping to get is more detail on the big picture. >> white house trying to preempt the release of this by giving out information they hadn't %-p. is it potentially a big deal? >> yeah, we have to see exactly what msnbc has and exactly what it shows, but as philip just outlined, there are a lot of questions about donald trump's finances, and the fact that he did not abide by the traditional norm of presidential candidates going back decades to release his tax returns has created incredible media and public interest. >> although the white house says the public doesn't care. >> every time this has been polled, more than a majority of the public says they do care and they would like to see the tax returns, right? so i think they're wrong about that. and we'll know for example what is his charitable giving been in 2005. are ther