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top of the hour, you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin thank you for being with me, we just heard from president trump outside of detroit talking to auto workers about jobs and deregulation, what did not hear mention of the allegations of wiretapping at trump tower. didn't hear that. a top ranking trying to ex-plane and defend the president has just made a surprise turn around devin nunes, house intelligence chairman who this morning appear along side his democratic counterpart to say there's just no evidence of the president's claims. >> the evidence still remains the same that we don't have any evidence that that took place. and in fact, i don't believe just in the last week of time the people we talk today, i don't think there's an actual
tap of trump tower. >> to date, i see no evidence that supports the claim that president trump made that his predecessor had wiretapped he and his associates at trump tower. thus far we have seen no basis for that whatsoever, president obama wouldn't physically go over and wiretap trump tower, so i said if you are going to take the tweets -- was wrong and if not if there's a concern that the president has about other people, other surveillance activities looking at him or his associates, either appropriately or inappropriately we want to find that out. i think it's all in the interpretation of what you believe. >> sara murray, let me begin with you there, our cnn white house correspondent. listen, a lot happening today on the hill including a senate
judiciary hearing happening right now. you tell me what you're hearing. >> reporter: brooke, that clearly isn't the kind of backup that the white house was hoping for when president trump put out the wiretapping tweet and said we want you to prove what you're alleging here, so it's striking to hear devin nunes saying we have seen no proof of this. we may get more details march 20th, that's when fbi director james comey is expected to testify in front of the house intelligence committee hearings, so it's also worth noting other runs have come out -- republicans that have come out and said the president needs to walk back these notions of wiretapping and asked about whether he should be apologizing for president obama, he dodged the question, we will see how
the white house responds. yesterday the white house press secretary sean spicer says he was very confident that there would be evidence emerge to back this claim. >> i'm sure he's had many conversations with his lawyers not to comment, but tonight he will be at this campaign rally in nashville, does he say anything then and how? >> reporter: that's great question, brooke. this is to tout the republican health care plan obamacare repeal and replace, but when he gets fired up in front of the crowd he can tend to seveveer o subject. i'm sure that devin nunes comments have been brought to his attention, we'll see if he get teleprompter trump or
off-script trump tonight. >> sara murray, thank you so much. let me bring in matt shlapp, bill press, hosting the bill press show and maeve reston our national cnn political reporter. before we look laahead to nashville and beyond, this was a tweet, or tweet storm two saturdays ago that put this entire administration in such a predicament. >> i believe you used the word pickle earlier, brooke and i think that was the perfect word. nobody knows so far exactly what was in trump's mind when he put the tweet out but obviously put everyone in the white house in a very awkward position and congress now -- you see both parties coming out and saying there's no evidence to support this claim taking this very, very seriously and may end up being a very hard lesson for
president trump that when you're the president, what you tweet really matters and there better be evidence behind it to back it up because he's going to potentially face this very awkward hearing monday drilling fbi officials about what's going on and intelligence officials about where's the evidence and they could say there's a broader investigation going on so we can't get into details but all is very awkward and potentially embarrassing for the white house if no evidence emerges. >> one of the questions has been what led the president to tweet this or what kind of information perhaps did he have to allege wiretapping? so the a.g. jeff sessions was in richmond today and asked about this, did he give the president any information, this is what the attorney general said. >> did you have a chance to brief the president on investigations related to the campaign or did him any reason
to believe he was wiretapped by the previous administration? >> look, um, the answer is no. >> in a word -- in a word, matt shlapp, no, so he did not get any word from his attorney general. the president is in nashville tonight. he is talking about his -- i should not say his, the republican's health care bill, but he's been so uncharacter risicily quiet. >> on the leadup to the campaign on election day in the aftermath of the trump victory, there were all these articles about how trump and his associates were so close to vladimir putin and russia that there were investigations going on about those close ties and "the new york times" and other papers
even talked about surveillance of associates of his and so was all that reporting incorrect? i don't know we're going to find out. >> well, he didn't say surveillance, he said wiretapping and sean spicer broadened it out. >> wiretapping is like a 1930s version of what more high-tech people -- >> i'm just using the president's words. >> that's fair. >> even chairman nunes says there's no evidence. didn't his credibility take such a hit? >> no, i don't think devin nunes has any additional evidence. why did these premier media out lets talk at length these people were being investigated an surveil, for what isn't true, so what am i doing brooke -- >> that isn't true. >> i'm waiting to see the information that does get disclosed and what we know to be true. >> that's not true. >> brooke, first of all, we have
heard nonsense about all these articles and reporting on this surveillance before donald trump's tweet. it did not happen. glen kessler "washington post" examined it. there was zero reference, zero mention of any role that barack obama played in wiretapping donald trump and i'm going come back like you brooke word for word donald trump accused the former president of wiretapping, called him a bad guy, and a sick guy. that was his tweet and i think it's very remarkable that now add the attorney general to the list that not one single republican inside the white house or outside the white house has defended donald trump on this or presented any evidence. and i think it's very close to the time when president trump is going to have to either retract that and apologize to the president or put up his evidence. put up or shut-up. it's time. >> can i --
>> yes, sir. >> the articles that i have read and would agree with you when you say barack obama wiretapping, i don't know if wiretapping is an operable word anymore. >> but it's the word that donald trump used. >> but let me put this into context do you think that the obama administration had any role in surveilling people in trump world? i think the answer looks according to "the new york times" that there is smoke there and could be truth there. >> may i respond to that, brooke. >> yes. >> yes. there was surveillance going on. there's always going surveillance going on. >> thank you. >> wait a minute. there was surveillance of the russian ambassadors phone calls. >> right. >> and michael flynn was talk to go the russian ambassador about sanctions when he should not have been. so he got caught. so. >> that's not true. >> it is true. he got fired. he got fired >> he got fired for
disassembling about the conversations. >> maeve, on the facts, it is possible and listen we're going to hear from jim comey the fbi director public hearing, we just heard from senator whitehouse and senator graham they want to know if there was an investigation if there was a warrant and if there was probable cause but at the end of the day is it possible to use sean spicer's words that the president can be vindicated if they prove this was there over-arching investigation with trump campaign ties to russia, let me add to that, isn't that very different than the president making this wallop massive allegation of the wiretapping. >> yes. >> the conversation we were listening to is an exact campbell of what the white house will have to be -- example of
what the white house will have to be doing. trump's tweet was very specific. >> yes. >> they can try to walk it back, have already a little bit. but the judge will be the american people who can look at the tweet, look at any evidence we end up getting and then decide whether or not to take the president seriously or literally or you know whether to just look at his tweets as an entirely different realm. >> brooke. can i say something here? >> bill then matt. >> i think that the president and the white house really made a big mistake in trying to get rid of this by saying well let's let congress investigate. congress takes this seriously when you accuse a former president of quote unquote wiretapping so they are looking into it and now you're going to have two intelligence committees come up and say it did not happen, the president is wrong and is going to put trump in a very embarrassing position. >> matt let me ask you this at
the end of the day this is about trust. the american people trusting the president, taking him at his word and you're saying that wiretapping is this old school phrase, parse through words, words matter. it's about trust. >> it is. >> can they trust president trump? >> it is. think about me. i'm a republican, i'm a conservative. and if there is proof that the obama administration like "the new york times" and "washington post"s and other people were surveilling they better have a damn good evidence. >> where's the evidence? where's the defend, dude, give it up, it's not there. >> i'll make a fair wager, let's look at the evidence and if the obama administration did that -- >> are you seriously wagering on the evidence of a previous president wiretapping a previous
president? >> no, brooke. >> gentlemen. >> did barack obama order the wiretap of donald trump's phones at trump tower, you know as well as i do, he did not. >> if i could just say again. >> it's about credibility is wa we're saying. >> correct. and barack obama's credibility and president trump's correct as well. >> thank you. russian spies today indicted after this massive hacking of yahoo e-mail accounts. those details up next. also the republican health care bill in serious serious trouble as some republicans backing off and the white house makes a big admission. i'm brooke baldwin and you're watching cnn.
welcome back, more breaking news russia is slamming the justice department's indictment to russian spies of hacking yahoo e-mail accounts. called one of the largest data breeches in u.s. history. let me start with you on this one, these two russian men, cyberhackers, how did they pull this off? >> reporter: brooke at the helm of it two russian intelligence officers working out of moscow for the fsb at the same time they were working for the government, u.s. officials they were working for and -- a hacking heist, breaching 500 million i canyahoo accounts, noy
are wanted by the u.s. government. one was aphrened in toronto. justice officials today making clear whatever the case may be there's no tolerance for any kind of russian interference. take a listen. >> the involvement and direction of fsb officers with law enforcement responsibilities makes this conduct that much more egregious. there are no free passes for foreign state sponsored criminal behavior. >> reporter: so this is really an intricate widespread scheme, he's been on the fbi's hacker list since 2012, he was arrested in 2013 but allowed to go back to russia where he is evaded law enforcement all over the world since then.
>> are there any sort of ties again the dnc hack and this hack? >> that was one of the things that u.s. officials stressed that this case is not alleged between the dnc and the hacking of the computers, but it does raise awareness about beefing up -- and stressed continually that the u.s. needs to get serious about these types of threats. >> the deputy homeland security advisor and senior fellow at the atlantic council, amy, nice to see you again, when i hear jessica say this was one of the fbi's most wanted in cyber crime, this was obviously a huge, huge win for the fbi, but you're the professional, how did this even happen? >> so, look, cybersecurity is
one of the hottest issues around. and what you have here is an allegation that the russian government is actually colluding with criminals to get access to this information. >> yeah. >> reporter: this is really significant and a reason why there's been so much concern about the dnc hack, et cetera, we are seeing intrusion into americans lives but around the world trying to figure out who they are, what they're doing, whether there's compromising information about them and when you see this kind of cooperation when a state actor and a criminal that's something we should all be worried about. >> how do the fex olks at the f actually trace the hacks like this one? >> reporter: there are a variety of different ways, there are sort of forensic footprints traced to identify where the hacks are coming from, sometimes also they have human sources that may give them information
about how a hack has happened or who is getting information from it. there's also a very important relationship that needs to happen between businesses that are hacked and the federal government. that's basically how the fbi is going to understand what's happened and how to untangle who is at the bottom of it. >> amy pope. thank you. >> reporter: thank you. >> coming up next. the growing divide over the republican party to repeal and replace obamacare as more and more republicans are backing away from the current plan. >> if republicans take this opportunity and blow it, we will rightly be considered a laughing stock. you need to tell them --
plotting major changes to the health care plan the same plan the president said he was proud of just a day ago. a senate aide tells white house officials that they acknowledge the bill now winding its way through the house will not pass the senate. that should be good news to this crowd gathered in washington by the tea party freedom works, senators rand paul, demanding repeal of obamacare but insists the current bill in play is not the right plan to replace it and the kentucky senator is pointing a finger very squarely at the speaker of the house paul ryan. >> i think paul ryan is selling him a bill of goods that he didn't explain to the president that the grassroots doesn't want what paul ryan is selling. >> doesn't that mean that the president doesn't understand health care policy? >> not at all. the laws are written by congress, so i think it's very appropriate that the president goes to congress and says write
this bill and he gets the leadership coming back to him and saying yeah, we're going to write it and everybody loves it this is what we campaigned on. we did not campaign on paul ryan's plan. >> let's go to sunlen. they're grumbling over their iteration of this bill and even the white house today saying this is not going to make it through senate without changes. >> reporter: that's right, senators trying to ra chet up the big to do in the capitol here to show this bill in its current form simply cannot pass it's dead on arrive and calling for changes to be made on the house side before it's sent over and this is the sentiment beyond the conservative group of republicans growing in the
senate. ashley killo said send us something we can actually work with. >> they aren't only writing a bill for 218 votes in the house of representatives, they have got to be writing a bill that gets 51 votes and republican votes in the united states senate and that all of this has to be done within the very tight rules of reconciliation. >> reporter: now sources telling cnn that the white house is privately acknowledging that yes, changes probably should be made, an acknowledgment that yes, it likely cannot pass in the current form and could not pass in the senate in its current form, but you have paul ryan standing firm saying he is pushing ahead with little or no changes to his bill and arguing this is just phase one of a three-phase approach they're going o do what they can right
now but are a republican senator today calling that pure fantasy. >> senator graham calling it a fantasy. sunlen thank you very much. i have alexis glik with me, and t tevy troy, who served once upon a time secretary of health and human services, great to have both of you on, alexis, the smart business woman you know a thing or two about negotiating the middle ground. where's the ground between speaker paul ryan house version of this thing and really conservative folks on the right? >> the middle ground is absolutely going to have to be a change on the medicaid provision. arguably if i look at affordable care and this health care provision, really what it comes down to is what they're willing
to rebate back to the states in these grants is not nearly enough. during the affordable care act 31 states and the district of columbia opted and got federal funds to support the federal growth of medicaid. we have 16 republican governors. they do not want to see those entitlements to low income americans to be taken away, so number one they're doing to have to change what is the grant block at the federal level to those states right now it would increase in inflation right to 2020, and the second issue is that the hardest hit is the elderly american right now. the provision actually suggests they could pay five times the rate of a younger person. in the affordable care act that was three times a younger healthier person, so aarp keep in mind they represent 37 million americans, this baby
boomer generation you can't get anything passed without their endorsement and right now this is shifting all of the cost on the state ton elderly and arguably it's going to disadvantage the low income medicaid recipient many of which the folks who voted for president trump. >> every action or change there's a mega reaction. and to alexis's point on this medicaid issue and red states working class voerts who voted for president trump. they're the ones who will get affected. what do you think? >> well, look, i don't think anybody should etch the text of the current reconciliation draft into stone tablets because we all know it's going to change, but think we saw some encouraging signs, it covers about 700 million americans, the building block of the system, it lowers taxes, reduces spending,
so those are the good side, on the difficult side are the coverage numbers which everybody acknowledges was a problem and i don't think surprised republicans, but cbo numbers are useful to tell legislatures where they should be making improvements. >> what about the politics of all this. we know speaker ryan doesn't want to budge and again the white house acknowledging this would need to be changed to get through the senate. this is a radio interview with speaker ryan just this morning. >> we wrote this bill with our friends in the white house and the senate. >> which friends in the white house? which friends? >> meaning the trump people. >> but which ones? >> the trump white house s. tom praise, all those guys, the health care people. the point i'm saying, i talked to reince and bannon about this a number of times, we are all on the same page, absolutely, the president is bringing members to have our caucus down there saying we need you to the
support this. >> he doesn't want it to be called trumpcare, want it to be called ryan care. >> well, we call it the american he health care act. >> he says we're all on the same page, but are they? >> well, i think there's a grand or broad strategy and we talked about the three-step process, one is passing a reconciliation process, number two is regulatory chie regulatory changes led by dr. price and the third phase there's a lot of skepticism because it has to pass through the 60-vote threshold, but is a over all broad strategy and i think within the leadership with the white house on the strategy. >> ultimately what's at stake? >> if you look at what's at
stake. the a ca changed the ball game, because it's more an expectation that it's a right not a privilege to get access to health care. if you look at the cbo was the biggest tell. if you look how they assessed the affordable care act they were right on the numbers where they were wrong is on the participation rate. they thought there would be a higher participation on the private exchanges when in fact the biggest growth came from medicaid. he's correct. there's going to be a robust negotiation process because there's no way it's going to go through this process, but there are things in here promising, you could save two times the rate of your health care savings, plans, kids up to 26 years old can still be on their parents' health care plan, if you have a preexisting condition you have coverage.
so there's certainly hope, but there are places needed to be changed to get it to that place. >> yesterday, i had a republicans on and he said this is just the opening act of a very long play. >> thank you so much. coming up next, high stakes, diplomacy, secretary of state rex tillerson, in asia, among growing tension with north korea. and james comey on capitol hill right now expected to meet any moment with republican lawmakers. this is what one of those senators chuck grassley had to say about it. >> this is a secured briefing as far as i know. if it isn't i'd be surprised and i'm not going to comment on anything coming out of a briefing because i'm not going try to decide what's classified and what's not classified
secretary of state rex tillerson is on a tour of asia that has massive implications that is ripe for tension right now, set to make stops in japan, china and a huge piece of this north korea high on the list of diplomatic discussions given the recent missile launch tests, michelle kosinski is with me from the state department. laying the ground work, especially since we know that president xi will be visiting with president trump.
>> by one analyst this was called a perfect storm of tensions in asia, so yes, he's going there, going to meet with president xi on one of his stops as you said lay the ground work for building this relationship between presidents but he's a big part of this administration so the discussions he's having at each stop first japan, south korea and lastly china are going to figure heavily how the entire region and beyond that the world is going to deal with this looming threat of a nuclear north korea. there are a lot of differences of opinion and that's a big part of the challenge. china doesn't like the fact that the u.s. is working with other countries in the region to bill their defenses, china sees that as potentially a threat to themselves. the u.s. insists it's purely defensive but also wants to wrk with china against the north
korea threat and to do more to put pressure on north korea, so on his first trip over there is not expected to come back with major announcement ps b, but exd to look at new ways to try to tackle this threat which is very big and getting bigger. >> thank you very much, his first stop beijing. breaking news live pictures of capitol hill waiting for fbi director james comey's meeting with republican lawmakers on the hill, looking for answers, there's an investigation into russia and the trump campaign? back in a moment.
tonight cnn's wolf blitzer and dana bash will be moderating a town hall. there are many questions about the repeal and replace obamacare, make sure you tune in to secretary price at 9:00 this evening. a lot of americans are getting insurance through their jobs and dr. sanjay gupta explains the impact on them if this repeal bill does in fact become law. >> reporter: the story you are about to hear is a typical one. three-year-old valerie daniel does all the things a typical mom does, valerie like 117
million americans suffers are crones disease. >> when i have flarups, i am really, really sick, i am confined to the bed a lot either because of weakness or pain. >> reporter: like many americans valerie has insurer based insurance. without insurance it could cost about $20,000. are you worried about the repeal and the impact it could have? >> i'm nervous and about the future and exactly what it's going to be voted on. what are they going to keep? what are they doing to do for people like me. >> reporter: first, the good news under the proposed health care act here is what they're keeping people like valerie can't be discriminated against for having a preexisting condition, a lifetime ban on annual caps and kids can stay on
their parents' plans until 26. the down sides, employers with more than 50 employees no longer have to provide insurance so getting covered through her husband's work may no longer be a given. and also the new bill will insenty vise all americans to get coverage. -- preventing buying only after they get sick or injured but valerie has known how difficult it is to keep insurance especially if you're out of work. >> there was about a three month period where he was not employed and we were told that we had no choice juror we had pay for cobra because of my preexisting condition. that if there was even a little bit of a lapse of coverage, that then i would not be allowed to covered. >> under the new bill, having a lapse in coverage of more than 63 days means that if you try to buy insurance on the individual
market you're going to have to pay an additional 30% tax on your premium if you try and enroll again for the remainder of the year. and it's not just the 63 days from the time you lose your job, but any time you have a gap in coverage of 63 days in the past year at the time of enrollment. >> when you to to go to cobra because your husband was not employed any more, how much of that raise your premiums at that point? >> the price of cobra was over $900 a month. so, we had no choice but to reach out to family to help pay for that. >> reporter: consider the fact that most people are unemployed for ten weeks before they find a new job. that's 70 days. and when people are unemployed, just getting by paying bills like their mortgage can be difficult, let alone paying an insurance premium on top of all that. when you look at our health insurance industry overall now, what grade would you give our health insurance system? >> i would probably say about a c. >> reporter: c?
>> maybe a b minus. >> reporter: of course she's really hoping the final replacement plan will be an a-grade for her. and the rest of america. >> okay, sanjay, c is not good enough, c or b minus, she has the employer-based health insurance thanks to her husband. what happens if the bill becomes law and people like her would lose it? >> well, there's going to be a certain percentage of the population who will no longer be able to get insurance through their employer and it's an important point because we're mainly focused on people who get it through medicaid or the exchanges. there are people who, because of no mandates on businesses to provide insurance for some size businesses, people may lose their employer-based coverage as well. and -- or they may not have the same protections. they may have a plan still, but the plan is not as good. it doesn't offer them the same level of care they're used to right now. 117 million people have chronic illness in this country, brooke. if you're not using t health care system, you don't think about this issue.
for them, it's all they think about. if their insurance isn't as good it's a problem. they might be underinsured or uninsured completely depending on what happens. >> it's nice to hear from a doctor. we'll listen to you tonight before the big town hall with wolf and dana. that's at 9:00. we'll look for you after. >> thanks so much. >> once again health and human services tom price will be answering questions this evening for this town hall here on cnn at 9:00 eastern. look for wolf and dana to moderate. and just moments from now, speaker of the house paul ryan sits down for a one on one with cnn's jake tapper. but first this. >> what's the best exercise for your heart? just about anything that gets your heart racing. >> air oak i can exercise, endurance type exercises, running, cycling, swimming. >> if you're in good shape, go for the gold. new research suggests there is a
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us? they're telling us that you campaigned for obamacare-lite and that you want partial repeal. this bill is riddled from top to bottom with problems. you need to tell them you want them to stand firm. you want to bring down the paul ryan plan. and then what we want is freedom. we want to be free of obamacare completely. >> there he was, senator rand paul speaking this afternoon, calling on republicans to, quote, bring down the paul ryan plan. how will speaker ryan respond? you get to find out moments from now in a one on one interview with jake tapper. do not go anywhere. we're going to send it to washington early just for this. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. "the lead" starts now. >> thanks, brooke.
can donald trump sell the health care plan the same way he told himself to voters? and is he even willing to try? "the lead" starts right now. president trump in his element, hitting the campaign trail, expecting to sell a health care plan tonight, one that he's not yet willing to put his name on. leaving the house speaker to deal with the fall out in washington. paul ryan is going to join us live in just minutes. no evidence, house intelligence committee leaders including one trump supporter saying there is no proof the president's told the truth when he accused president obama of wiretapping him at trump tower. plus, this town is run by elephants and donkeys, but today we have a shark. mark cuban talking to us about president trump's taxes, his leadership, and what he thinks the president is really worth. good afternoon, everyone. welcome to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. topping our politics lead today, president trump is taking his act to nashville as he tries to sell his