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happening now, breaking news. classified briefing. top republic cans openly dismiss the president's claim he was wiretapped. the fbi director gives lawmakers a private briefing on the investigation. but president trump is now hinting that wiretapping doesn't necessarily have to mean wiretapping. russian take down, the justice department indiets members of russia's intelligence agency in the yahoo! cyber attack which breached at least half a billion accounts. but why is one of the suspects being held in russia? open to changes, would the gop's health care plan damage the white house suggest it's open to changes? when president trump hits the road to rally supporters he does not even mention health care. and prostitutes and bribes, senior u.s. navy officers and a
defense contractor known as fat leonard are named in a grand jury indictment shedding new light on a bribery and sex scandal. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news. the fbi director briefed senators on the investigation into the president's claim that he was wiretapped. but president trump now says cryptically that, quote, wiretap covers a lot of different things, adding, you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront, he says, over the next two weeks. that comes as the attorney general jeff sessions says he never gave the president any reason to believe he was bugged by the previous administration, and the leaders of the house intelligence committee say they've seen no evidence to support the wiretap claim. the justice department says two russian intelligence officers
have been indicted along with two other people in what it calls one of the largest data breaches in history. the cyber attack on yahoo! compromised at least, at least half a billion accounts. the fbi says it was directed by a russian officer using criminal cyber mers nehr is. president trump hits the campaign trail presumably to donald trump up support for the endangered gop health care plan. but at his first stop he fails to even mention the topic even as the white house hints the bill will need major changes simply to survive. i'll speak with democratic congressman eric small well of the intelligence committee. and our correspondents, analysts and guests, they're standing by with full coverage of the day's top stories. key lawmakers from both parties are now pouring lots of cold water on the president's charge that he was wiretapped even as the fbi chief briefered senators on the investigation. but president trump has just broken an 11-day silence on the
wiretapping claim. watch this. >> but wiretap covers a lot of different things. i think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> our senior congressional reporter manu raju on capitol hill. what is the latest, manu, on this? >> reporter: wolf, james comey just left a classified briefing with two top senators, senator die ev diane feinstein and chuck grassley. they just talked to reporters, said they could not discuss what they actually were talking with comey about other than it was about, quote, sensitive matt erpz. even question that i asked, did you discuss whether there is an fbi investigation ongoing into russia, the connection between russia and the trump campaign, they would not discuss that. the intelligence committee chairman told me moments ago he has seen no evidence to support president trump's claims that he
had been wiretapped and, wolf, he's not alone. today members of president trump's own party are openly challenging his claim that trump tower had been wiretapped under the orders of president barack obama. >> we don't have any evidence that that took place and, in fact, i don't believe just in the last week of time the people we talked to, i don't think there was an actual tap of trump tower. >> reporter: and senator lindsey graham said official answers over trump's allegation of wiretapping may soon be coming. >> today they said they're extremely confident there was some kind of surveillance of the campaign. i have no evidence of that. apparently the fbi has contacted my staff that they will be at some date in the future providing us an answer to this in a classified manner. >> reporter: this comes as fbi director james comey privately briefed senators about its ongoing investigation. a move to diffuse tensions with the republican judiciary
chairman who is holding up a key confirmation of a top justice department official until he gets more answers. >> i expect people to respond according to what they told me. and in this particular instance, we were not given the respect that the constitutional gives us of oversight of the executive branch of government. and so that's very irritating. >> reporter: the house intelligence committee is calling on the justice department to immediately provide any information to support president trump's allegations that were made during a saturday morning tweet storm 11 days ago. you said pretty clearly you do not think trump tower was tapped. what gives you that confidence to say -- >> president obama wouldn't physically go over and wiretap trump tower. so, now you have to decide, are you going to take the tweets literally and if you are then clearly the president was wrong. but if you're not going to take the tweets literally and if there is a concern that the
president has about other people, other surveillance activities looking at him or his associates either appropriately or inappropriately, we want to find that out. >> reporter: but nunez and the top democrat in the committee adam schiff disagree on one key piece of their investigation. whether the trump campaign had any improper contacts with russians who were meddling in the elections. do you have any evidence of that? >> not that i'm aware of. you know, i wouldn't answer that question as categorically as my colleague. we're not privileged to talk about the contents of the investigation, but i think we need to be very precise when we talk about this, and i just don't think we can answer that answer categorically and not in this forum. >> reporter: and one democrat said comey failed to meet a wednesday deadline to confirm this central question. is the fbi conducting a criminal probe over any trump campaign
contacts with russia. >> we needed to know by then whatever the fbi wanted to tell us about an ongoing criminal investigation so as not to bump into one another. we gave them the date and today is the day. >> reporter: and, wolf, that answer did not come before this afternoon's deadline that apparently senator sheldon whitehouse, according to him, agreed with fbi director comey to confirm whether there is an investigation ongoing. but comey will have an opportunity to address that at a monday hearing at the house intelligence committee. at that hearing, wolf, one issue that may also come up is something that adam schiff wants to bring up, those contacts that occurred allegedly between roger stone, a top trump advisor, as well as russians and russian hacker during the presidential election. that is something that schiff is pushing on, but devin nunez said he wanz as concerned about,
wolf. >> thanks very much, manu raju up on capitol hill. president trump is on the campaign trail. will he campaign for the ailing republican health care plan or is he just getting as farah way from it as he can? let's go to our white house correspondent sara murray. sara, a good time for the president to leave washington? >> reporter: perhaps. wolf, this is an issue that president trump campaigned on on an almost daily basis. even today house speaker paul ryan says the president is all-in on repealing and replacing obamacare. but you certainly would not have guessed it by his first stop today, making absolutely no mention of health care. tonight donald trump is hitting the road looking to sell the gop health care plan that may already be in jeopardy. but at his first stop in michigan, trump made no mention of the top item on his legislative agenda, repealing and replacing obamacare. instead, focusing on its economic plan. >> let us put american workers,
american families and american dreams first once again. >> reporter: all his vice-president mike pence to sell the plan to lawmakers on capitol hill. it is now or never when it comes to repealing obamacare. >> this is the only vehicle that seeks to achieve what people on our side of the aisle have been talking about since 2010. this is it. >> reporter: it's a promise trump made on a near daily basis as a candidate. >> if we don't repeal and replace obamacare, we will destroy american health care forever. >> reporter: but now that he's president, questions linger about whether trump can close the deal. the president's second stop today in tennessee, an opportunity to sell a health care repeal and replace plan that's come under fire from all sides. >> i think paul ryan is selling him a bill of goods that he didn't explain to the president that the grassroots doesn't want what paul ryan is selling. >> reporter: the criticism only growing after the nonpartisan congressional budget office
determined 24 million more americans would be uninsured by 2026 under the gop health care bill than under obamacare. >> let obamacare collapse and it will and replace it on a bipartisan fashion. that's what i would recommend he do. >> reporter: a white house advisor acknowledged the challenging path ahead. admitting the health care bill in its current form can't pass the senate and will need significant changes. house speaker paul ryan says the senate is just the place to make those tweaks. >> the senators aren't helpless to the house. once the house is done with a bill, we send it to the senate and they take it from there. so, if a senator doesn't like a provision in this bill or this bill at all, the senator can a mepd the bill. >> reporter: but the legislation's perilous path to passage is giving some lawmakers misgivings whether to back it at all. >> i'm leaning because i don't think it can pass in the senate, john. i want to make sure the legislation can pass in both
houses of congress. >> reporter: democrats are already seizing on divisions among republicans. >> if their bill fails, it's basically akin to saying, we didn't have anything better, our bill sucked. and your bill, which is pretty darn good, although there are some areas that need work, we're going to kill it because we're mean spirited. >> reporter: in the meantime, americans rrnt abandoning obamacare. more than 12 million people signed up for obamacare for 2017. about half a million less than a year ago. now, advisors to president trump have made it clear this is a guy who views himself as a deal maker who is willing to make changes to get the support he needs, but it is still an open question, wolf, whether he will be abcobble the support he need to get to the senate. >> thank you for joining us. democratic congressman of california, a member of the intelligence and judiciary
committees, congressman, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. >> so, you just heard president trump saying that a wiretap covers a lot of different things. do you think he's backing away from his initial claims 11 days ago in those four tweets when he repeatedly said, my wires were tapped in trump tower, he blamed president obama for that, president obama was wiretapping? he kept referring to that. now he says it as a broader definition. do you buy that? >> whether it's the president talking about a birth certificate, talking about illegal immigrants voting and now being wiretapped, he's not credible. and this is nothing more than the president throwing a smoke bomb into an investigation around russia. and the smoke has cleared and what we are finding is there are more and more questions about the ties between the president, his team, personal, financial and political with russia. >> his aides are saying the word wiretap could mean surveillance, there are other forms of surveillance going on there. is that possible in your mind? >> he's provided zero evidence
for that. but what i hope is going on is an investigation into individuals on his team who were traveling over to russia as the interference campaign took place. carter page, for example, one month after it was reported that russia was attacking us, he with permission of the campaign as a senior foreign policy advisor traveled over to russia. those are the types of relationships we want to find out if they extended to working with russia as they were attacking us. >> but the president also said he thinks, in his words, very interesting items will be coming out -- coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. what do you think he's talking about? >> well, again, can't get into the president's mind. teasing something that's coming out a week from now or two weeks from now is something that the president often does. if you remember back to the muslim ban that he put in place, he promised that a new ban would come in place within a week and it ended up being a month later. he likes to tease things. she's a show man and i think this is part of his craft. >> the chairman of the house intelligence committee, the republican devin nunez, he says
it's possible the president could have been swept up in what they call some incidental collection of data, someone else was being surveilled. for example, do you believe that? >> again, we haven't seen evidence of that. director comey will be before our committee on monday and what we want to know is whether any u.s. persons were involved in working with russia as the interference campaign took place. so, we would hope that they would be looking if that took place at any individuals who were talking to russia. if that included the president, certainly americans would want know about that. right now we have seen zero echds up to that point. >> chairman nunez also said he has not seen evidence of wiretapping, but then said it's all in the interpretation of what you believe. those were his words. so, he's leaving the door open that the president may believe this even if there isn't any evidence. he says he certainly hasn't seen any evidence. no one apparently has seen any evidence. but go ahead and react to that. >> yeah, again, this is nothing
more than the president dee faming the former president who was nothing but gracious and helped president trump throughout the transition. and again, it was purposeful. this wasn't the president, you know, wearing a tin hat and being conspiratorial. this was somebody who did this because he wanted to deceive us and take away the focus on the questions about his involvement and his team's involvement with russia as they were attacking us. this was an obstruction of an investigation. >> if on monday when fbi director comey comes before your intelligence committee and he says there's no evidence president obama ordered the wiretapping of trump tower in new york city, do you see the white house accepting that? what do you see the president doing? >> no, president trump didn't accept the proof of president obama's birth certificate. when he made that outrageous claim, and actually it took him over four years to even, i would say in a watered down way, acknowledge that president obama was born here. so, no, when confronted with evidence rarely does president trump acknowledge it.
i don't expect anything to be different here. >> do you believe republicans will hold his administration, the president's administration accountable if those allegations he levelled 11 days ago in the four tweets are proven baseless? >> wolf, they have to. they need to put country over party. i'm calling for an independent commission to look at what happened with russia, whether u.s. persons were involved and what we can do to protect future elections. every democrat has supported that bill with myself and elijah cummings, but only one republican has, walter jones and he was the first one to oppose the iraq war. so, we need more courageous people like him to come forward if we're going to make progress in this investigation. >> but, congressman, have you seen any solid clear hard evidence that the trump campaign colluded with the russians in connection with their hacking in connection with their cyber attacks against the democrats? >> there's a lot of dots that continue to connect. if -- i invite people to go to my website where we layout why russia is not our friend. the extensive trump ties in
addition to carter page who i just pointed out, roger stone as you reported earlier was communicating with gucif rerks r 2.0 as they were hacking us. as the russians were hacking us. there are a number of people on his team working with russia whether through political and business ties. what americans want to know is were they working with them and this interference campaign they were running. that i think requires an independent commission. the trump team cannot be impartial with this as we've already seen with jeff sessions. >> you know, congressman, what the former direct ever of national intelligence james clapper said about two weeks ago. he says he hasn't seen any evidence of direct collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. >> and, wolf, what i would say to that is it's likely that director clapper may not have been read into that. and what i mean is that oftentimes when the fbi conducts an investigation, until it is closed they may not be reporting to other members of the intelligence community and that's so they can -- what the close hold pursue all leads and
not exploit what they're doing or compromise their investigation. but hopefully we'll get more answers on that on monday. >> congressman, stand by. there is more information coming into "the situation room." i want to get your reaction. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. whoa, this thing is crazy.
call now and get amazon chime at no additional cost. our breaking news, president trump breaks his 11-day silence on his claim that he was wiretapped, suggesting the word wiretap covers a lot of different things. we're talking with congressman eric swalwell. but first the justice department has indicted two russian agents and two other people in the cyber attack on yahoo! which
compromised at least half a billion accounts. cnn's jessica snyder has been tracking that story for us. jessica, what are you learning? >> reporter: you know, wolf, justice officials pointing squarely at the russians today warning they will not tolerate state sponsored cyber attacks. this is the first time russian officials have ever been charged with a cyber hacking crime but the u.s. government. the fbi says these two men are russian spies and tonight they are wanted for pulling off one of the largest cyber thefts in u.s. history, accuse of stealing personal and financial information from more than.500 million yahoo! users. the russian intelligence officers were indicted today for a breach of the u.s. government says stretched over two years in both the u.s. and russia. >> the department of justice is continuing to send a powerful message that we will not allow individuals, groups, nation states, or a combination of them to compromise the privacy of our citizens. >> reporter: the fbi said some
of the hacked yahoo! accounts belong to u.s. government officials as well as to employees of a u.s. airline. yahoo! which has more than a billion users worldwide cooperated with the investigation and in a statement today praised the fbi and pointed to russian involvement writing, the indictment unequivocally those the attacks on yahoo! were state sponsored. the scheme allegedly directed and paid for by the two russian spies was allegedly carried out by two criminal hackers including this man kareem baratov. he was arrested tuesday morning in canada. his facebook and instagram feed show a passion for partying, fast cars, and a love of computers. this picture one of his tatoos is written in binary code. last month he posted he was suspended from school four years ago and he cashed in saying, i was well off in high school to be able to afford driving a bmw 7 series and payoff a mortgage on my first house. the other man allegedly hired by the russian spies has evaded law enforcement around the world
since 2011. he is listed as one of the fbi's most wanted hackers. he's been indicted twice in the u.s. for computer fraud and is the subject of an outstanding interpol red notice. still u.s. investigators say he somehow made it back to russia in 2013 despite being arrested by police in europe. >> fsb news this. there was red notices up on him and they've known that he's been in their country, yet they still allowed him to operate unfeterred there. >> reporter: tonight in a strange twist one of the alleged master minds of the hacking is in custody in russia, according to a defense lawyer. he is charged with treason allegedly for working on behalf of the united states. and the fbi believes the other fsb officer igor is also in russia. u.s. officials stress this case is not connected to election hacking by russians, but tonight a lot of questions about why that former spy wanted by the u.s. is also charged with treason by russia. wolf? >> all right, jessica, thank
you. jessica snyder reporting. we're back with democratic congressman eric swalwell. do you have an answer to that, congressman? is it a positive sign that russia has made at least one arrest? >> no, would have. this is the same thing they did after the interference campaign. if you remember back in december and january, they announced arrests of their sfb officers from their computer unit there and this is the team that was responsible for hacking us during the election. and we think it was just for show. and i applaud the u.s. attorney's office in the northern district of california, my hometown district and the fbi team there, but what their work shows is that russia continues to attack us and that's what the intelligence report showed after the interference campaign last election was that they're going to continue to sharpen the knives, go at us, and also our allies. so, france and germany who have upcoming elections, they should be very worried about russia's capabilities. >> what does it tell you, congressman, two of those involved in this attack on
yahoo! were actually or still are officers of the russian federal security service, the fsb, the successor to the kgb? >> that russia is not our friend and that we should get tough on them and not embrace them. >> and what would you do? >> i would increase the sanctions that have already been put on place, not intimate that we would roll them back as president trump has done. i would try and do everything i can as a president to work with nato to increase our capabilities and bring in more countries to protect the ball ticks and the balkans. but president trump has demoralized other nato countries by suggesting maybe the role isn't what it needs to be or isn't what it was in the past. and, so, the policy towards russia is shifting and i think it's very interesting that people like u.s. attorney general jeff sessions had spoken out his whole career against russia, then after the interference campaign meets twice with the russian ambassador and changes his position. and that's what is so concerning to so many americans, is whether
these political personal and business ties extended to not just changing the position on policy towards russia, but also working with russia. >> we're all going to look forward to that. house intelligence committee hearing on monday where comey and others in the intelligence community will be testifying in open session. all right, congressman, thanks very much for joining us. eric swalwell of california. coming up, a widening scandal involving u.s. navy officers and allegations of bribery, lavish gifts, parties with prostitutes and more. [vo] quickbooks introduces jeanette and her mobile wedding business. she travels far and wide to officiate i do's. and quickbooks automatically tracks those miles. she categorizes with a swipe and is ready for tax time. find more than $4000 in tax savings. visit quickbooks-dot-com.
obamacare. but we're also following the breaking news. president trump in a new interview broke his silence about his claim he was wiretapped by president obama during the campaign. the fbi director james comey meanwhile was up on capitol hill this afternoon secretly briefing lawmakers who are demanding answers about the president's claim. let's bring in our experts to discuss. mark preston, president trump weighed in as we said a while ago, it's been 11 days since he tweeted those allegations against president obama. and the interview with fox news, he was asked why he tweeted about wiretapping before actually producing any evidence. listen to what the president had to say. >> but wiretap covers a lot of different things. i think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> so, mark, does he seem to be reopening all of this after the white house had been trying to walk it back? >> yeah, no doubt, wolf.
what he's done is he's continuing to breathe oxygen into the story as it seemed to be petering out. he's only doing it to himself at this point. we've seen, as you said, from the republican and the democrat on the house intelligence committee, the leaders of that committee have said that they've seen no evidence. we saw attorney general jeff sessions this morning down in richmond, virginia was asked this question if he had ever briefed donald trump on this and he said no. what donald trump has done is that he has extended this story at least another 14 days where people are still going to be looking for answers. but at this time there doesn't seem to be any answers because it doesn't seem that donald trump had accurate information, if any information at all, that in fact trump tower was wiretapped. >> in fact, rebecca, we heard the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee devin nunez say there is no evidence to back up president trump's wiretapping claim against president obama. so, how significant is it for all of these congressmen, especially top republicans in
the house and the senate to come out and say the president is wrong? >> well, for the republican lawmakers especially to be saying this publicly, wolf, it's hugely significant. it's really unusual. and it really tells us, i think, two major things. first of all, you have bipartisan public agreement now from people who are read into this, who have the clearance to know that the president is just wrong, that he is factually inaccurate, that the president -- former president obama didn't wiretap him. so, there's that. but it's also reflective, i think, of how huge the gravity of this issue. for republicans to come out and publicly dispute something the president of the united states has said just shows you how important this is and really what president trump is doing is not only accusing president obama of a felony, but he's calling into question the presidency as an institution, calling into question the intelligence community as an institution, and this matters. i think that's why you're seeing
this response very publicly from republicans and democrats alike. >> mike rogers, you were once the chairman of the house intelligence committee. devin nunez is now the chairman. he says he remains concerned about what he calls the incidental collection of data and the unmasking of names like general michael flynn, the former national security advisor. he sent a letter to the fbi director james comey, the cia director mike pompeo and nsa director, asking for all of those names. why is that information so critical to this investigation? and adam schiff, the ranking democrat, could signed that letter? >> yeah, so, one of the things an investigation in any investigation where there is an electronic wiretap either for data or voice, there will be incidental collection, meaning that person engaged in that intercept was never intended by, under the warrant, to get collected on. if that makes sense. so, those are all very, very well -- there is a record kept of that. they have to go back to the judge and talk about incidental
collection. so, i think what the chairman was saying is, hey, those names should never come out in those investigations because they were likely not guilty of anything and shouldn't be tied to that investigation in that way. so, collecting all of that information this is good, looks like a bipartisan effort to say, who was collecting and was that information leaked, that is serious, and that in and of itself could be a criminal action by somebody in the department of justice. >> all right. everybody stand by. there's more information coming in. also another important note, our cnn town hall special with the health and human services secretary dr. tom price, that will be tonight, obamacare, what comes next? join dana bash and me, 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. we'll take a quick break. much more right after this. e an. so this year, they're getting a whole lot more. box 365, the calendar. everyone knows my paperless, safe driver, and multi-car discounts,
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certain amendments that would make conservatives happy, when it gets over to the senate specifically, they're going to have a very hard time getting that through. specifically when you're talking about susan collins and lisa murkowski and others looking at the medicaid part of this bill and they don't like the fact that it's going to go away. one of the things that conservatives want to do is they want to try to strip medicaid by 2018, basically end it and change how they end up servicing more of the lower income folks. but right now they are in deep trouble and it was interesting to hear during that interview just a short time ago, wolf, is that paul ryan said the white house and his team is still working hand in glove. i just wonder when the white house decides to split in a more public way with paul ryan on this bill. >> you know, rebecca, when jake tapper in that cnn interview that just occurred spoke with the speaker, he asked him pointedly, the president was out in michigan just a little while ago and he spoke about
cca car emissions, spoke about other issues, never once mentioned repeal and replace obamacare. didn't raise the issue. that sort of is a thunder rust silence from my perspective. >> it really is. certainly republican leaders in congress who are trying to push this legislation forward heard that silence loud and clear. they need the president right now to be using his bully pulpit as much as possible to try to move this legislation forward, and especially to rally public support behind it and explain it to the voters who supported him because the problem that they are facing right now in congress is that you have these conservatives on the right, these more centrist republicans on the left who are having trouble explaining this as a good thing to their constifrp wentz. ultimately that's what this is going to come down to because these lawmakers frankly want to get reelected. they don't want to be walking the plank on this bill, as tom cotton said over the weekend, and putting themselves in
political peril. and it helps to have a president out there supporting it. but frankly the white house at this point, wolf, is just not totally supportive of this legislation. they're kind of agnostic about the bill as it stands. donald trump we know is not a huge policy guy to begin with. and they had a meeting actually yesterday in the west wing with a group of senators who are more on the conservative side of the spectrum and the take away from that meeting i was told by one source was that the white house is still in negotiating mode on this bill and they're thinking about fixes that can be made. i think once they have a final bill they're happy with, maybe they will get to that bully pulpit stage, but a lot of republicans are wishing they were there right now. >> yeah, it was really surprising, though, the president didn't mention health care in that speech in michigan. mike rogers, while i have you, put on your hat as a former intelligence committee chairman, i want to get your reaction to the two russian spies now being indicted by the u.s. justice department for that yahoo! hack back in 2014, half a billion
accounts. the justice department said they hacked yahoo! to get access about individual users. this is the first time the u.s. has actually charged russian officials for cyber offenses. does this speak to how much of a threat russian hacking operations are to the u.s. and others right now? >> absolutely. and this is why this is important. if you remember a couple years ago, the chinese government broke into our omb and stole thousands, literally millions, i think, of classified files. that was government espionage on a government target and they took that information and are using it forbad purposes in china to target americans for certain things. think about what -- this happened in the russians, this is why this is so important and why this indictment is so important. they've become far more aggressive in cyberspace of recent than we've seen them in the past. and one thing this confirms is that russian intelligence services are working with individual criminals and criminal organizations to accomplish this theft.
and why do we know that? because information that was stolen from yahoo! is now on sale in the deep and dark web. that's criminal activity, not necessarily nation state government espionage activity. so, the russians took advantage of it and i think d.o.j. is making a very important statement by indicting them along with these other cyber criminals to finally show this connection between the russians and criminal groups operating around the world. >> all right. everybody stand by. speaking of indictments, we're getting word two new indictments of top u.s. naval officers. stand by for details of a scandal involving bribery and sex in exchange for classified u.s. naval information. here's ts 'til we die... this i gotta try bendy... spendy weekenders. whatever kind of weekender you are, there's a hilton for you. book your weekend break direct at hilton.com and join the weekenders. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn't it time to let the real you shine through?
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critical moments in theest by republicans to repeal and replace obamacare. mike rogers who used to be in the house of representatives looks like a big battle brewing among republicans themselves. how do they get out of it? >> i think they're going to have to rework the bill, step by step. this is the beginning of the process, so if leadership comes out and is married to this bill, i think they're going to be in for big trouble. it doesn't seem that way to me. it seems they're going to have to take into the considerations both in the house and the senate for members who have concerns about the directions of the bill. and i think candidly what they will have to do, wolf, it may take steps to undo what took steps to get into healthcare. meaning, they're not going to get everything they want today. as long as they have a plan for several years who minimizes the
number of families losing coverage and maximize the gain and savings for this. if they do it over years ask talk about it, they'll be okay. i think they'll need the president out using his bully pulpit and leaders in both chambers using their bully pulpit. they're not close to that now. >> do you know during the campaign, mike, the president as a candidate almost on a daily basis said this is the top priority, repeal and replace obamacare, get rid of it immediately. it's disaftrous, it's got to be removed. if they can't do t they're going to spread it out over years. that's a major failure on the part of the president and the republican leadership in the house and senate. >> i don't think it's failure. i think it's the realization that the ten tackles of the obamacare is collapsing markets today. this is the real concern, there are real markets, healthcare markets collapsing where people are losing choices rapidly and
companies are saying they can't sustain it. if they don't do something, we'll have a huge mess. they're able to say we're going to get rid of it and come up with a plan that's responsibility so you don't have the left versus the right attacking the right versus the left about a personal issue, somebody's healthcare. if they look like adults coming into this process, saying, yes, we're going to replace it and here is how, they will gain support in congress and from americans. >> quickly rebecca berg, if they lose 19 republicans, they can't get to the majority. they need to pass it and move it over to the senate. that's already 19 republicans have said they either will oppose it or not inclined to go along with it right now they've got a big problem. >> they do. one of the reasons, wolf, that is so difficult right now as the bill stands is you have a number
of centrist republicans who are loyal soldiers and go along with what the leadership wants to do what paul ryan wants to do because they're in districts where there is a high proportion of elderly people and where medicaid expansion has gone into effect and they're in a very difficult position to explain to the constituents that their government subsidies or their government healthcare is going to be reduced or taken away under the legislation. that's why you're seeing the bill face such an uphill battle. as top republicans openly dismiss president trump's claim that he was wiretapped, the president breaks his silence, saying, quote, wiretap covers a lot of different things. and the white house suggests it's open to changes, but when president trump hits the road to rally supporters earlier in the day, he didn't even mention healthcare.
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happening now. breaking news. demanding answers. president trump speaks out about his explosive wiretapping claim as more republicans say they haven't seen any evidence. senators just got a classified briefing about it from the head of the fbi. what did he reveal? growing dissent. republican opposition to the gop healthcare bill approaches critical mass in the house just hours ahead of a cnn counsel hall with health secretary tom price. can the plan to repeal and replace obamacare be salvaged? campaigning again. president trump holding