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making sure the system had a transition to the new system that's going to work i believe so much better than where we are currently. want to respond to the needs of the american people and when we do that, convinced the individuals charged with voting on the legislation will be supportive. >> thanks for joining us. i suspect the debate just beginning not only with fellow republicans but democrats as well. we'll continue this conversation down the road. thanks very much. be sure to watch "the messy truth" with van jones, other special town hall tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m. eastern featuring chris collins and karim abdul-jabbar. >> and thanks also to the studio audience. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now.
wolf, dana. thank you very much. breaking news tonight on three big stories. very bad run for president trump. second defeat for travel ban tonight. federal judge in hawaii blocking it just hours before it was supposed go into effect. health care bill on life support. president's own party with enough votes to block the measure and nobody but president trump defending the infamous ware wiretapping claims as he insists quote interesting items will come out in the next two weeks. trump administration and priorities under assault tonight. president is facing potential loss on health care, almost no support now for wiretapping claims and new tonight, block on the second travel ban. what is the latest? >> i'm here in nashville,
tennessee, filled with people an hour or so ago. campaign rally the kind we saw over and over again for donald trump, swept him into the white house. don, the difference tonight, reality has hit his politics, pledges and rhetoric. governing reality here. he came out to the stage, giving a lot of the same old things he always talked about, but so fired up about the judge's ruling in hawaii. he said it makes us look weak. vowed to take it all the way to the supreme court. let's listen. >> a judge has just blocked our executive order on travel and refugees coming into our country from certain countries. the order he blocked was a watered down version of the first order. that was also blocked by another
judge. and should have never been blocked to start with. this new order was tailored to the dictates of the ninth circuit's, in my opinion, flawed ruling. this is the opinion of many, an unprecedented judicial overreach. >> so don, calling this a watered down version of the first ban that was also blocked, really could get him into hot water as well here. his justice department and white house counsel's office still has to defend this. have not yet said what they're going to do. president said take to the supreme court but we'll see what the actual strategy is.
mentioned health care before. that was point of the rally tonight to fire people up. rhetoric same as it was a year ago. obamacare being the villain, not talking about the deep divide into the republican party, some conservative house members from red states, trump states if you will, they're not on board with this. realities of governing coming headlong into his rhetoric. campaigning again on monday in louisville, things are chalking up and applause not always turning into action. >> and reality his words carry weight. stand by. jessica, we just heard from president trump but what was said in the ruling? why did the judge block the ban? >> ruling narrowly focused on. premised on the intent of the trump administration. said no getting around it, motive is muslim ban.
violates the establishment clause. went into detail. citing trump's words on the campaign trail, press releases that called for block of muslims entering the united states and rudy giuliani's interview where he talked about best way to legally implement a muslim ban. speaking out on the ruling, attorney general in hawaii won this round. put it this way, can't just insert bunch of neutral language on the second go-around and pretend it didn't happen. judge somewhat mocking in tone. of course religiously motivated because all six countries 90% plus muslim. saying this way. illogic of the government's intentions is palpable, notion that one can demonstrate animus towards any group of people only by targeting all at once is fundamentally flawed.
of course tonight judge watson halting the travel ban. justice department releasing statement in response saying will continue to defend the executive order that falls within the president's lawful authority. hearing from the president and justice department, they'll continue to follow through and fight for the executive order. >> said will see you in court when lost the last one. bring in mark preston. jason miller, ryan lizza and alan dershowitz. thanks so much for coming on. the news just changes every second. sitting in office and all of a sudden breaking news about the travel ban. alan seeing you discuss this. president trump angry about the court ruling. referenced you specifically as i was watching and millions of other people.
saying he will win in court, supreme court. were you surprised that second ban was blocked and will he ultimately prevail? >> not surprised. what the judge said nothing trump passes will survive constitutional attack because of what he said during the campaign and what rudy giuliani said during the kpachblt this raises a fundamental jurisprudence question, do you look at language of the order or campaign rhetoric that led to the order being enacted. if you take conclusion to its logic, he's saying the same order if enacted by president obama would be constitutional but very same words enacted by trump administration would be unconstitutional. i don't think that will survive analysis by the united states supreme court. i think the judge's opinion, illogic of it was actually
palpable. what he's saying is just because six of the countries have 90% muslim populations, that proves it has nothing to do with terrorism and it's muslim ban. that's absurd. the threat that america faces is from radical extremist islamic terrorism. and obama administration picked countries with less vetting processes. and then decided one had appropriate vetting processes, iraq, so trump took that off the list. leaving six predominantly -- >> let me put up what the judge said. equally flawed is notion that executive order cannot be found to have targeted islam because applies to all individuals in the six referenced countries undisputed using the source that these six countries have overwhelmingly muslim
populations. would therefore be no paradigmatic leap to conclude that targeting these countries likewise targets islam. certainly inappropriate to conclude as government does it does not. ryan? >> it seems like trump is being haunted by this promise he made during the campaign that he would ban all muslims from the united states. and the federal judges reviewing this seem to be taking him seriously. and as alan pointed out, looking at and putting great deal of weight on the -- on trump and people around trump's public comments about what the original intent of the order was. i'm not a legal expert. but like a lot of people who looked at difference between the first and second executive order, it seemed like trump cleared up the establishment clause issues by not referencing
minority christians and not giving christians preference in any refugee or immigration programs. this court says wait a second, we see this on the same continuum of what he tried to do or said he would do during the campaign. and that is to ban muslims. i -- you know, listened very carefully to what alan said and i take his point. if someone didn't have that intent or make those comments written same order by that logic would be constitutional. seems like courts would have to sort those out. >> listen to some of the comments. specifically referencing stephen miller after the first ban was halted. listen to this. >> one of the big differences you're going to see in the executive order is it's going to be responsive to the judicial
ruling which didn't exist previously. minor technical differences. fundamentally still have the same basic policy outcome for the country but be responsible -- technical issues brought up by court will be addressed. but in terms of protecting the country, basic policies still in effect. >> comments like that and also comments made in interview to my colleague anderson cooper. widely criticized at the time. did the strategy backfire. >> i need to set the record stating. he's talking about this administration standing up and keeping people safe. when you look at mandate that the president won by this year, clearly ran on, discussed heavily on the campaign trail. what is interesting from the ruling that we saw, statement
put out by judge watson, wasn't taking issue with the legal terms of the executive order. really sounded like auditioning for nanny state speech police rhetoric. really sounded like someone very bitter that democrats lost on november 8th, didn't seem to be speaking to what this is attachment administratiat all. administration feels good they fixed bill, tailored it to go by and released ahead and for the night before, looks political on its face. >> regardless, this time it seems like president and advisers held accountable for their words mark. >> we often talk there's campaigning and governing. anybody running for president has a tough transition into the role. one of the biggest weaknesses for president trump is inability to have a governor in what he says. during the campaign trail said
over and over again about bang muslims. perhaps he meant extremists. >> judge is saying here's how we know you meant muslims, you said it. >> just the practiceality of words do matter. seen in the administration, saw it happen this morning. said a couple of weeks ago that president barack obama had tapped his phones. very skbliexplicit in saying th >> doubling down tonight on fox news. listen. >> i've been reading about things. i raeds in i think january 20th, "new york times" article talking about wiretapping. article i think they used exact term. read other things. watched your friend bret baier the day previous talking about certain very complex sets of things happening. and wiretapping. i said wait a minute. lot of wiretapping being talked
about. been seeing a lot of things. for the most part not going to discuss it because we have it before the committee and will be submitting things before the committee very soon that haven't been submitted as of yet. potentially a serious situation. >> again his words matter. >> what confuses me about the interview, we have things to submit before the committee. go back a couple weeks when he actually said this and days that followed, they said want congress to investigate it. saw today the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee and democrat ranking member come out, seen nothing. and attorney general saying never briefed on any kind of wiretapping. at this point doesn't seem to be evidence. give it more time and see james comey on monday testify before congress. >> got to jump in -- >> talking about other people's interviews.
that's not evidence of wiretapping. >> set the record straight. what we heard from chairman nunez, they didn't have evidence yet. make it clear waiting for more to come in from the fbi and cia and nsa. said something important. very concerned about incidental collection of americans that could have been unlinked. and secondly unmasking of american's names for political purposes. serious stuff. concerned about potential misuse of domestic surveillance. >> none of this says something that barack obama wiretapped trump tower. that's what the -- >> administration said they're talking about surveillance in general. >> that's not what he said. that's what it's spun into. tweets said president obama wiretapped my whatever, bad or sick guy. >> i can't let you get off the
unmasking. it's big deal. >> and we've known each other a long time and love you to death but said any good lawyer worth his salt or whatever could make easy case based upon what said. all i'm saying is he's president of the united states and his words matter. he's finding what he said in the campaign is coming over into the administration. >> president was right about the iraq war, right about anthony's wiener's laptop. >> nothing to do with the price of tea. not what we're talking about he's called so many things right. >> sorry. >> i think -- >> i'm fine for the investigation to go on. if sees something. 100% with him. >> but reckless for the president of the united states at 6:30 on friday morning to throw out this complaint about
foreman president. >> very specific in tweet and specific it was personal. said bad or sick guy. not administration, fbi, bad or sick justice department. he said barack obama, president obama, how long is he going to tap my wires? that's what he said. >> i think the administration has made -- >> now the administration has come back in the back end to try to fix it but that's not what the president said. >> jason -- can i say, what jason is raising, completely legitimate, interesting, worthwhile point about whether incidental collection on american citizens when nsa or some other agency was collecting. >> he says, whispered it happens every now and then. >> but completely and totally beside the point and nothing to do with what the president of the united states tweeted when he said barack obama tapped his wires. you can say he was being
euphemistic but as mark points out, president trump is learning his specific words matter. >> and my producer's specific words matter. i'm very much out of time. thank you all. coming back, president trump's health care push on life support tonight. will his own party bring it down? healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. to take advantage of this offer on a volvo s90, visit your local dealer. hey ron! they're finally taking down that schwab billboard. oh, not so fast, carl. ♪ oh no. schwab, again? index investing for that low?
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obamacare. chairman of the house freedom caucus claiming has enough to block the group. conservative groups saying bill doesn't go far enough to get rid of key parts of obamacare. dana bash, cohost of the town hall and chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. get the latest on what's happening. >> i've got a seven second delay going on. >> speaker ryan and president on president trump's plachblt what is going on? >> you gave the headline. the republicans -- can't emphasize this enough, president, secretary for health and human services, house speaker, their fellow republicans are actively working to try to get enough of their members to block this bill.
and mark meadows says he thinks they have it. so then the question is, assuming that is right, which is there's no reason to not believe him, how are they going to fix it? fix it to get the votes? not sure if whack-a-mole is the best analogy gu goldilocks. in between. as soon as you make changes to please conservatives in the caucus, whether by changing medicaid expansion -- there's a delay on when that's going to be, make it sooner, or other means, you're going to anger and upset the moderates in the caucus. not talking about democrats right now, just the universe of republican votes. finding the balance is what the house speaker thought he had done when he put together the bill. clearly not enough. >> move beyond the politics if we can. so politicized. talk about doctors, med folks
and everyday people. lots of concerns we hear about every night. >> hard to paint all the medical establishment with one brush but american medical association is not a fan of the proposed legislation. biggest concern is people losing health insurance. but not just that, but people who may need insurance the most, gets back to the medicaid expansion. if you pull that back, talks about millions of people who may no longer be insured. that issue alone is why the organized medical establishments are not supporting the legislation. but other things as well. prevention fund that provides money to study how to prevent alzheimer's, pandemics, get vaccinations working. >> do with that? >> proposed legislation gets rid of a lot of the money that would be going towards those things.
another reason why large parts of the medical establishment are not a fan of the legislation. another quick point. everyone talks about the fact it's 4% of the country on the exchanges. if you're not medicaid recipient, does this really affect you? answer is yes. no one is immune from the changes. you have protections in your health care insurance don, as result of this. caps that in case you got sick would not be capped in what insurance company would provide. these types of protections are important, even getting insurance through employer. that's a big deal. >> and affects the markets. even people like us that have employers. >> get back to the people. some of the people you spoke to tonight. listen to one and you can react. >> recovering heroin addict and united states marine. long-term recovery, overdosed four times before trying take my
own life. today chief recovery specialist in counties. had it not been for the men and governor christie would be 100 more people on top of the 1600 we lost last year to this epidemic. >> spoke with joe mansion jed talking about the opioid problem folks a folks areification and cancer patients conconcerned with the gap. >> money for addiction centers specifically. for mental illness treatment, and his concern, this marine's concern was will the money still be there, these resources still be there? interesting dana because you followed up and secretary price said when he came to the office of secretary, three biggest priorities were mental health, childhood obesity and drug addiction.
doesn't always jibe with the legislation. if those are the biggest priorities, how do you cut the resources that provide. at least with addiction and mental health. >> and his theme throughout the hour was money doesn't fix everything. which is true. right policy also helps. but it's really hard to implement the right policy without the money. especially when you're talking about real people. 11 million people who got health insurance through the expansion of the medicaid program. that's why you talked about the doctors and medical community that are worried about that, it's republican governors and republican senators from states where they took the medicaid money, they are extremely worried about losing this. also because they like having federal dollars coming in but mostly because worried about people who have gained insurance in their states because of obamacare, who could lose it. >> and i think one of the reasons it's getting pushback is older people in rural areas,
donald trump supporters, people who would be going to va possibly, vets and what have you would be affected by this. and that's where the resistance is coming from on the republican side because trump's own supporters would be affected by this most potentially. >> no question. heard from audience member who is doctor in coal country in west virginia. question is for those people in rural areas but specifically mentioned that age 50 to 64, right before medicare kicks in, according to the cbo that scored this, they're going to get a huge increase in costs of premiums. >> not va but this guy said united states marine. >> i get it. yeah. >> keep in mind when dana was asking about, doesn't jibe from what we heard from president trump. who says won't cut medicaid, no one will lose insurance,
available to everybody. that's a little bit different. we heard, see in the legislation almost a trillion dollars skpeeriskpeer disappearing. thanks very much. up next president trump getting pushback from members of his own party who say there's no evidence to back his wiretapping claims. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
president trump's new travel ban, blocked tonight by court order. president slamming the decision. here to discuss now "new york times" columnist nicholas kristof. thanks for joining u.s. daj gentlemeja vu right? federal judge in hawaii blocked the ban scheduled to go into effect at midnight. said in part met burden of establishing establishment clause claim. that irreparable injury is likely if request for relief is not issued. so on hold again. >> and on hold nationally. judge kept the ban on nationally. >> bump in the road or end of
the road? >> i think we really don't know. there's a sense among the lawyers i've spoken to that this time the travel ban is crafted more narrowly and has some chance of being upheld at end of the day but it will be a much closer issue than the previous one was. but certainly not good for the white house to have this issue litigated again, have more unconcernity and people all over the world not knowing if they can come here. >> here we are once again. wiretapping now, the president is changing tack on unfounded wiretap claim. watch this. >> wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff but really covers surveillance and many other things and nobody ever talks about the fact it was in quotes. that's very important thing. wiretap covers a lot of different things. i think you're going to find very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> does he know something we
don't know? >> and any day provide evidence that president obama was born abroad or widespread voter fraud. heard all of this so many times. >> even said no one is talking about wiretap in quotes. >> useful clarification there was no wiretapping but might be wire wiretapping. i didn't get it either. >> all right. those are the original tweets right now. but clearly what they're talking about and what the president is talking about, it's not what he wrote initially. this is revisionism. being revisionist. >> absolutely. i don't know how much it damages him politically in that you know from the point -- and some studies during the campaign that he was uttering a falsehood by one count once a minute, other
counts once every five minutes. how much this matters, i don't know. i do think if there is foreign policy crisis, trying to convince the world about something happening in north korea, be harder to sustain the world's credibility when he has this track record. >> it's rough -- you can't dispute it's rough patch for him. in trouble with wiretapping and ban and now health care as well. >> and health care, until today paul ryan was saying it couldn't be amended. now all of a sudden it has to be amended to pass. i think there's a lot of doubt that it is ever going to happen. >> speaking of paul ryan, spoke to jake tapper today. watch this. >> we're working hand in glove with the white house. meet with them constantly daily. worked on this bill together. jointly drafted legislation, house, senate and white house. >> so today saying i worked on this, wrote it with the
president. like a bear hug. is this the only way he can get it passed? or doesn't want to go down alone on this? >> i think paul ryan is desperately trying to hug the president on this and president and white house trying to avoid being hugged. paul ryan trying to engage in governance and white house is trying to engage in politics. and politics right now don't look very good because of the 24 million people losing coverage and more and more people focusing on the fact that at end of the day this is a huge gift, $600 billion gift to the wealthiest americans financed by cutting health care to the poorest americans. >> if history is teacher, we should learn a lesson from history -- >> ideally it's a teacher. >> former president went through it. this president said who knew health care would be to hard.
why start with complicated issue woven into the american fabric. why not anything else? infrastructure. no kwun will dispute we have crumbling infrastructure and need to contribute to it. >> number of occasions that i think president trump could have reached out to the middle and benefitted him and get more accomplished. infrastructure would be classic example. appointing a democrat to the cabinet would be that. instead he aimed to base for nominations and -- >> tonight. >> tonight. and in his policies. talked so much about repealing obamacare, he pushed ahead without understanding any of the policy of it i think. never met a politician in my journalistic career as oblivious about policy details as president trump. >> do you think realize that preaching to choir only get you
so far in this country as president? >> i sure hope so. there is mixed evidence. sometimes when nominations failed, appointed better people next time around. national security adviser and labor secretary. other times going right back to the base. >> thanks. russia ties questions creating instability around the world. ♪ ♪
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mudd, alexander voers row, former ambassador to russia. thanks for coming in. especially philip. see you in the morning with chris, when are you going to join us, drank some coffee and glad you're here. first get your reaction to something the president said about the second federal court to block his travel ban. >> the law and constitution give the president the power to suspend immigration. put here for the security of our country. and this goes beyond me because there will be other presidents and we need this and sometimes need it very badly for security of our country. >> do you think ambassador the travel ban makes america saver and we need it for security? >> never been convinced of that. i think the way to deal with potentially dangerous immigrants
or migrants is evaluate them one by one, extreme vetting. hope the trump administration move to the end game to come up with plans for extreme vetting and not try the sweeping approaches like the travel ban as the judges seem to think is basically discriminatory. >> steve? >> the best place to fight counterterrorism fight is abroad, not in this country. to do that from intelligence perspective, you need helpful, cooperative liaison intelligence relationships in the muslim world. when your muslim counterparts -- cia officer looking across the table at you, i wonder if muslim ban going on in this guy's mind from the american president? can have negative impact making sure the cooperation is as good as it needs to be to keep the
terrorists out of the united states. >> this is nonsense. you can't extreme vet hundreds of thousands of millions of people. it's not doable. what would be more effective is going on the back end. once people get into this country, when i sat at table at fbi, question i had was not who came in but when they got here in los angeles, chicago and new york, how quickly could we get them out once they became subjects of investigation. we have it backwards. not who gets in but how fast can we get them out if they cause a problem. >> now you're wired up. talk with the wiretapping. 11 days since the baseless allegation that president obama wiretapped him. >> reading about things. read in i think january 20th, "new york times" article talking about wiretapping.
article. i think used that exact term. read other things. watched your friend bret baier the day previous where he was talking about certain very complex sets of things happening. and wiretapping. i said wait a minute, there's a lot of wiretapping being talked about. i've been seeing a lot of things. for the most part i'm not going to discuss it because we have it before the committee and we will be submitting things before the committee very soon that hasn't been submitted as of yet. but it's potentially a serious situation. >> does that sound like proof to you philip? >> don, is this comedy central? i'm sorry. tell you what is happening here. there is a serious point you'll see roll out in the next week or two. speculate here. but president obama did not authorize wiretapping at trump tower. that's complete nonsense. i think we have a bait and
switch setup here. this is going to roll out, see people say appropriately this american intelligence community intercepts communications of russian officials and when we listen to them, occasionally talking to americans, might include members of the trump team. standard intelligence procedure going back decades. i think what president are trump is setting up is to say in the intercepts of russian officials my guys on the phone is inappropriate. here to tell you, that's nonsense. trying to back away from the accusation that president obama said something to set up claim that u.s. intelligence community is doing something wrong. it's nonsense. >> wasn't specific about the bret baier interview, i don't know what it is but particle article he references here, i have it and we'll discuss whether or not it says what he actually says it says. we'll be right back.
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russian communications part of inquiry into trump associates" written in "new york times." did a search for the word wiretaps, only mentioned twice. never said anything about trump tower. and here's the part, talking about mr. manafort, carter page, and roger stone, long time republican operative. said fbi is leading investigations aided by national security agency, cia and treasury department's financial crimes unit. investigators accelerated efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, one official said intelligence reports based on some wiretapped communications had been provided to the white house, meaning of sergey kislyak, the russian ambassador. only mentions it again talking about jeff sessions when carter
page bewildered why in this. lingering pose a question for mr. sessions, for a time will be the only person in the government authorized to seek foreign intelligence wiretaps on american soil. never mentioned trump tower, mentioned president obama or said american citizens were being wiretapped, ambassador. >> indeed. this is old news. i think the effort to link this to the more recent allegations about wiretapping of trump tower just doesn't stand up. and of course we want to get to the bottom of what kinds of contacts there were between members of the campaign and russians, including russian intelligence but separate issues. >> steve? how do you respond? >> stuff about wiretap -- this is so complicated. wiretapping is political chaff. in the article you just alluded to, that's the key question and ambassador just referring to it
as well. what was the nature of the contact between the trump campaign and russians if there was any prior to the election. i don't have the caffeine that phil does but do him one better. agree with his theory the way this is going to go. but what concerns me is i think trump is paying for a tie game here. partisanship we're seeing in the oversight committees investigating the russian part of this, starting to see the partisanship and hoping for hung jury. senate oversight the republicans saying one thing, no problem. democrats saying yeah there are questions and he he will see there is a tie, nobody can know. i think that's what he playing for politically on the russian piece. >> number of republicans have stopped defending him on this and want more investigation. and interesting today the attorney general was asked and
had interesting response. watch this. >> did you have a chance to brief the president on investigations related to the campaigns? or give him reason to believe he was wiretapped by previous administration? >> um, look, answer, no. but what happened in my case was, i was active in the campaign. held a role in the campaign. there's a code of federal regulations rule, statute really, that says if you're involved as department of justice employee in a campaign, have a role in that campaign, you cannot investigate your own campaign. even though you may have had nothing whatsoever to do with anything improper, you should not investigate your own campaign. >> quite a pause. not sure if he actually answered the question. what the kids call that is what had happened was response. >> that was what we call dancing
with the stars. man doesn't have answer so hides behind saying i can't talk about this. tell you what is happening inside baseball, inside government on this. for people like me it's clear. for americans it's not. you don't wiretap buildings dobb. you don't wiretap cars. you chase people. investigate people for wrong dog. i think this is why he's dancing. when you look at investigations for example of russian individuals, russian diplomats like the ambassador in washington, the question that should be asked is as follows, are members of the trump campaign cropping up on investigations or intercepts of russian individuals and are there indications those americans did anything inappropriate. stuff of wiretapping buildings, trp tower, incorrect. did americans affiliated with the campaign communicate with russian officials inappropriately? that's the question.
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