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that he was wiretapped by former president obama, and the president gave a response at the joint news conference at the white house with the chancellor of germany angela merkel. they are face to face with white house officials agree is his most important meeting since he took off the. but this historic moment overshadowed with his response standing by his baseless allegation, president trump took no response to the white house's apologize for what press secretary sean spicer said about 24 hours ago citing fox news claiming that britain spied on the trump campaign.
>> mr. president my question to you -- they alleged wiretapping on you, on the trump tower, on trump organization or members of your campaign was -- that british intelligence was either responsible for it or involved in it. after these claims are rejected, what is your take on that? are there other suspects or do you think it was a mistake to blame british intelligence for this? and by the way my second question, from time to time are there tweets that you regret -- >> very seldom. >> very seldom. >> very seldom. and probably wouldn't be here right now, but very seldom. we have a tremendous group of people that we can get around the media when the media doesn't tell the truth. as far as wiretapping i guess by
this past administration, at least we have something in common perhaps. >> and just to finish your question, we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. and so you shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to fox, okay. >> i have david chalian, very political director, i cannot wait to hear your impressions and let's fist go to manu raju breaking news on the house intel committee. what have you learned. >> reporter: the department of justice complying with request
from members of congress to provide information whether there's any evidence at all to back up president trump's charge that he was spied on under barak obama, they made a request to respond by monday which they failed to meet that deadline. they have now responded we are told by a source in the house intelligence committee as well as the justice department. the justice department is also saying they have responded to the senate judiciary committee each of which has raised their own questions. a spokeswoman has said they have complied -- seeking information related to surveillance during the 2016 election. this comes right before a hearing monday where james comey
will testify on a public setting on the issue of wiretapping but largely on russia meddling in the campaign and what we understand what the fbi is doing as well. comey had been under pressure to respond to allegations of wiretapping an what we understand from adam schiff the top democrat on the house intelligence committee believes is that james comey will publicly rebut president trump on monday, so we will see if this in any way throws cold water on what exactly president trump has been asserting but right now the committees are going through these documents they have received and plan to issue statement later this afternoon, brooke. >> okay. we'll wait to see what's in these documents. da david chalian to you, it was that last snippet.
when you heard the lafter ughte the room. >> so you have this week we have had the house intelligence committee chairman republican devin nunes house intel ranking member adam schiff, intel chairman burr, now add jim comey on monday what adam schiff expects him he is going to say and what president trump retweets doesn't equal endorsement. he didn't take any ownership or responsibility for the fact that his spokes person went before the white house press corp. and cited this story about the british intelligence service. >> which the white house has apologized for. >> but some brits say a formal apology was offered i believe we had some reporting earlier from
white house sources that it could be construed as an apology. sean spicer saying we regret nothing, taking his queue from his boss but the basic question, two weeks ago you tweeted that barak obama wiretapped your phones. it has been completely debunked by everyone. do you withdraw, we can't that tweet? that question wasn't posed to him and he was able to sort of sidestep by laughing off the tweets and talking about the british moment but we still have this fund mental question of whether president trump was telling the truth. >> totally, none of this whole thing, but why at the end was he saying you go talk to fox news when this is the president of the free world when we has a million different intel agencies of the free world and he's
citing fox. >> that's a little different than the buck stops here at the oval office. >> by the way, i would imagine they left that press conference pretty pleased that they got through this that this had been a swirl all day leading up to this news conference and he was able to strike away go talk to fox but doesn't resolve the fact as you said the leader of the free world the president of the united states accusing his predecessor of what would be a normal crime when every single expert with access to intelligence and this says it's not true. >> thank you. david chalian in washington. this brushup with the brew tiss -- british government. this time yesterday sean spicer was citing claims from this fox
news contributor when pressed sean spicer started reading pages of media reports from the past two weeks. >> "the new york times" reported sean hannity went on fox days after the election, heat street, andy mccarthy, sara -- >> just to be clear the press secretary's job is to provide the media with information. not the other way around. let's go to cnn correspondent brian stelter. also political commentator, jason -- and served as advisor for the trump campaign. here the president talk to fox, talk to fox, you, sir have talked to fox, are they standing by the judge's comment in that clip?
>> in one statement it says judge napolitano stands by his report on fox and friends. it's an opinion show and napolitano was a guest a few days talking about this idea. his exact quote was this he said three intersection sources have informed fox news that president obama went outside the chain of command and basically suggested the british were the ones spying on trump, he was saying these sources were telling fox news this information but now fox is saying this was the judge, but the judge does stand by his information. there's a bigger information that's been missed. napolitano is leaning on three intel sources, those are the sources that now work for president trump. but inciting them suggesting there is proof for the president's assertions the president is saying go talk to fox, so there's this issue about
in a pa napolitano's credibility and the president's credibility an what he hears on a opinion show that he chooses to believe. >> you know how this works, so why does he continue to cite fox news, they are a friendly media for the white house, but sean spicer uses the media when it works to their advantage, just doesn't seem like they can have it both ways. >> let's review what happened necessary, press secretary sean spicer when the through a whole host of clips and sources an publicly reported information that discussed potential surveillance regarding the president and his campaign an other sources that we've seen out there. >> yes. >> the point that sean was trying to make i believe was here is the breadth and depth
about all this surveillance and one point that everybody is missing the truly big news was and is in chairman devin nunes, chairman to have intelligence house committee, in his remarks he talked about the incidental collection, potential incidental collection of americans' information and also potential misuse of such information and brought up the issue of unmasking, i'm in the a lawyerer and i wouldn't expect everybody at home to be a lawyer, but just to explain to people, if law enforcement or national security or caa is up on a foreign national and somehow an american gets swept into that there are very strict rules of not pulling e americans into that and the fact that the house chairman is requesting from the cia and fbi to find out what americans have been unmasked, this is a really
big deal for chairman nunes he doesn't go out and raising political comments. this raises what kind of concern of what kind of back door surveillance. >> i'm not dismissing that, absolutely a valid point. but this is a white house jason that tells americans don't listen to the media, you know, fake news, don't trust them and then yet they sean spicer the president are pointing to interviews, articles contributors to say see, i'm proving my point. >> well, i think it's an example of showing to members of the media here are where some of their fellow journalists and colleagues have brought up sources and another way to bring it up. and quite frankly i think i would have done the same thing. i think sean did a good job yesterday -- >> jason, jason, jason, i want
to ask david chalian, this is the president to have free world, he has all these intelligence agencies a phone call away, why is he not calling them for the answer, was i wiretapped versus cite the media. >> i think they're saying let's have a hearing, look at to the oversight. >> he said talk to fox. >> but brooke, the other thing is too, let's keep in mind there's been absolutely zero proof that's been put forward regarding this supposed collusion. >> from nunes, schiff and burr and warren as well, no proof of what the president says or tweeted has any merit. >> not yet, it hasn't been presented however as we look to monday and when director comey comes in and testifies i think we're going to see that and hopefully that these three
agencies -- >> i'm sorry, according to chairman schiff and manu raju, the director of the fbi is going to sitting the hot seat monday an say you know what, he wasn't wiretapped. >> i got to push back on you there for the simple fact that the white house has made it clear they're talking about overall surveillance and when we're talking about the unmasking issue that wouldn't likely come from the fbi, again that's why they're doing this hearing on monday. >> brian, do you feel like -- do you feel ignored, brian? >> no, i don't at all. i think you're getting to the issue, be ut the president did y he was wiretapped. >> four tweets. >> he didn't use quotes. >> it's very silly to talk about
quotes. he also called president obama a sick and bad guy. this is all about blaming the former president. it's all about saying blame obama. but thri13 days an we still don have any evidence. >> i would just caution you until we have the hearing until we find out if there were any examples of incidental collection until we get this list of all the americans who were unmasked over the past six months i would just urge caution until we find the answers. >> pushing it down the road kind of like birthism, pushing it down the road for weeks an months and years, president trump has said don't believe anonymous sources but he's believing anonymous sources from judge napolitano's claim. he's choosing to believe these opinion hosts and commentators because it makes him feel good and right an blame obama.
>> you're right. at the end of the day this is about trust. this is a word we keep using but it's jermaine because heaven forbid there was an international crisis or a war and based upon all of this that we've all been discussing, can he be trusted? >> absolutely. >> whether it's angela americaeli merkel picking up the phone or we the people of the united states? >> yes absolutely, brian i think you made a very good point this last hour coming out of the press conference if there was one message that came across it was about strength talking about work force, trade issues, a very important trade partner, but also i think we saw that the president as we know says the exact same thing in public that he does behind closed doors where he pressed the chancellor or issues of funding percentage
of gdp, nato and also the fact that our countries need to continue to working together to destroy isis. most eamericans, it's a friday, ncaa tournament. and glad to see a president talking about jobs and keeping us safe and i think that's why he was elected >> i agree, nato and the jobs and 2024 committing to the 2%. thank you. we do have more breaking news here. we are getting word that the man who jumped the white house fence last weekend -- listen to this, he was on white house ground hiding for 15 minutes. hear what went wrong there. also learning a secret service agent's laptop has been stolen, on it detailed floor plans for
. welcome back, you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin. more on breaking news today as president trump reiterates his claims that president obama wiretapped him during the campaign. his press secretary sean spicer saying they don't regret anything after spicer cited a fox news contributor. joining me ari fleicher. it is so wonderful to see you, my goodness. okay, so you have this essentially this self-induced
crisis, coming up on two weeks from this early saturday morning tweet from the president. and you have this senior white house official saying that they had apologized to gchq the british intel agency who smacked them when sean spicer smacked them with this news, britain backed them up but sean spicer is now again saying we don't regret anything. >> yeah, brooke, i consider this whole thing to be an immense waste of finger movement. and a waste of breath of everybody wasting time. i think put it on the side. it's unfortunate it happened but people are much more focused on what's going to happen with the
economy, the health care bill, i get it people have to be accounted for what they tweeted. >> ari, you stood at that podium and took the swings for president bush, how do you defend it? >> well, he went too far. >> but if you're spicer, ari. >> sean's job is to carry the president's words so unless the president says i made a mistake, sean must do what the president asks him to do. that's his job. >> president bush, we have had conversations -- >> no. >> no, never. >> no, i have not been put in similar positions like this, donald trump is unique, it's one of his strengths and one of his weaknesses. if america didn't want somebody
who did these kinds of things, they would have elected somebody else but they wanted to break things and improve the economy. that was the focus of the election an that's why i'm p perfectly comfortable saying there's a whole -- of behaviors that donald trump engages in some of them -- my counter tops are the best. >> taken with a grain of salt. we are talking about the president of the united states. >> i get that. >> i'm wondering if meramerican through different news cycles through these tweets will start thinking, ehh, i'm not listening. >> but we heard this throughout the campaign, that were demonstrably wrong, america
still chose him because they did not choose him on this basis. they chose him because they knew we needed someone to break through on health care, job creation. >> but he never apologies. >> no, he done. that -- he doesn't. >> he didn't the day before the election either. >> there's a republican congressman who says the president should apologize to president obama, do you think that he should? >> you know, i've never been interested if getting apologies for people. did barak obama apologize because he said you could keep your opinion health care and keep your doctor? he was wrong, same thing with donald trump but there are so many bigger fish to fry. i get it. there's accountability. the press is doing its job to focus on what the president said but i think the people have in a different spot when the press
corp. hangs on to it like a dog that won't let go of it's ankle. and it's like when obamacare has been repealed, wake me up. >> i get it. we've got congress investigating it intel committee on both sides. jim comey on the hot seat monday it's important to ask. last question, just on all of this what do you make to have fact this has now spilled overseas into britain, the intel agency slammed sean spicer. the fact this has become an international incident? >> i do hope the people in the white house learned from this. go back to the speech when he got accolades to that sat when he sent the four tweets. if you want to move up in support and make the american people grow to support donald trump be like the thursday
apparently went undetected 15 minutes. we have both stories, so let's bring in cnn crime producer in new york. jessica schneider standing by in washington in another. and jonathan wacro, former secret service agent under president obama. jessica, let me begin with you, when i first read this number one to hop the fence at the white house, number two to be hiding for 15 minutes. how did that happen? >> brooke, it's amazing. the stunning detail coming out as to exact movements of that 26-year-old. we know he was on the ground for 15 minutes or so, his name jonathan tran. his movement stunning, he first climbed over a fence near the treasury building, crossed east executive avenue, then jumped an
unmanned guard post and made his way through the south side of the white house even walking through the first lady's garden, he set off one alarm but continu continued undetected. he was at an entrance just blow the president's bedroom. all of this coming to us from a secret service source. the secret service not yet commenting but the source tells us they have launch add full scale mission assurance review after this lengthy breach. >> thank you. this stolen laptop, what was on it? >> well the secret service is not really telling us what was on it. they just are telling us basically the information on it was encrypted so i think that's important for the public to know. there was information about trump tower, specifically evacuation procedures so if something was to happen how do
we get trump out of the tower and the secret service had spent some time designing these plans in case something happened in case there was an emergency, so that is some of what was on the laptop. also told the bag that this laptop was in contained pins, sort of security pins that secret service agents wear and a couple pins were stolen from the bag, pins belonging to the hillary clinton detail, the unga, pins from the pope detail when he was here in new york and pins from the trump security detail. so that has concerned law enforcement here because that would sort of give someone who has these pins potentially access to secure area where they shouldn't have been. it's not clear if those pins are still current and whether or not the secret service is still using them. we're told earlier this month they had changed over the pins.
but we were not told by the secret service if these are the newer pins they just issued or old pins, so those were some of things found. the laptop we're told is encrypted and a person wouldn't be able to beggain access to it least that's what the secret service believes, it's not clear whether this secret service agent was targeted. it doesn't believe, she was at her home. they do have video, the police and now looking at the video and trying to find this story. >> both stories the guy is on the ground for 15 minutes, the stolen laptop. you protected president obama. to have two stories which worries you more? >> well, what worries me the most is the intrusion into the white house grounds. the second story about the laptop and the pins, i mean to point that was made earlier the laptop is encrypted.
very hard to get to anything on that device. the pins, from if reporting, again this is only from the reporting but it seems like those are more trinkets, not the protective pins of the credential of agents. the u.n. general assembly are more trinkets and handed out by agents all the time so i'm less worried about that. 15 minutes on the white house grounds, undetected, that's the >> 15 minutes through the first lady's garden, a book for trump, a letter for trump and some mace. got tsome explaining to do. thank you. more breaking news on this friday afternoon. back to the wiretap story, and the president's wiretap claims
it's become international news, but let's go to michelle is a sk -- ka skin ski, what happened? >> a british official was saying there were two, one was between the national advisors one was a phone call placed to the white house, but also a face to face conversation that took place between white house press secretary sean spicer and kim derek, they met up at the white house saint patrick's day event. it's unclear whether it was plan or they just happened to bump into each other, sounds like the latter, but we know the discussions between both parties were not pleasant. these were serious discussions
not very cordial. in fact when i was talking to a british government official about did this get heated something that needed to be discussed length they pointed to the british intelligence service rarely if ever says anything publicly, usually their kinds of responses they give are you know we're not confirming or denying the matter. the fact that they stepped out an issued a public statement about these claims calling them nonsense says it all and the government official said well you can draw your conclusions from that as to how these conversations went. the content though, people that i've been talking to have been really he z tent to get into tht
and they want to maintain the ability to have private discussions so nobody gave much detail as to what went on and even whether this was an apology or not. we have been hearing different things from different sores but one government official on the british said i talked to wouldn't characterize it as to whether it was a formal apology as some in the british press are reporting it was. >> thank you. editor of the world policy journal and contributor to cnn's opinion page and david miller, vice president and distinguished scholar at the wood row wilson international center. gentlemen magreat to have you o this friday. the news michelle was just reporting this back and forth between england and the white house over what sean spicer had
allude today at t alluded to yesterday. this has become this incident now that traces to britain. >> it does. and remember britain is supposed to be really our best friend in europe. especially a brexit britain. post brexit britain. she was the fist european leader to pay her respects to trump. now all a sudden this country with the greatest long term relationship, the english speaking world all together now all a sudden we're having a huge problem with the brits. this is not a good thing to have. imagine coming on the same day when the european leader who trump made the greatest fun of during the entire campaign, this woman she was a great leader but basically throwing her country away to the immigrants and refugees, on this one day he
should have one country in europe he can really get along well with, now all a sudden what happens? there's been a parliamentary debate whether to rescind the invitation by the queen for trump to come and visit her on a state visit to england. it will be very interesting to see how this plays out. >> that's right downgraded from the pomp and circumstances, eric, what do you think about this. >> america first is fine, brooke but it can't be america only, and if the president wants to make america great today he's going to have to rely on allies, and what i saw today with angela merkel. clearly that relationship isn't going terribly well. it could have been a train wreck but i suspect since diplomacy is the get along, but in the same frame you that you awkward
interaction between angela merkel and also saw an opportunity missed i think by the president to basically reach out to the brits and while this incident will pass with the brits it seems to me that it's going to require i think a personal conversation between the president and the prime minister we cannot take this ally or frankly any of our allies for granted. >> chancellor merkel finally said it's great to talk to you and not about you, so many of the highlight reel or low light reel from what candidate trump said about angela merkel. david we talk to you about the wiretap headlines, what about nato? what about the fact that chancellor merkel acknowledged that trump said everyone needs the pay their fair share, 2% of
gdp and she said yes, by 2024. >> she did seem to go two-thirds of the way to donald trump. she really tried to make nice to trump. she said we're going to get there, just be patient. what really is important is that we are a reliable ally and that nato and all of its members are reliable allies and basically what her defense minister has said in the past. america calm down, trump, calm down, we will put in more money and trade is the other key issue, christian amanpour merkel noted for the first time you like bilateral trade agreement. we are a single unitary nation, so negotiate with us, so she
tried to find ways where they could actually meet in the middle and hopefully this may have sunk in on a going forward mission. >> some say this is the most important meeting he's had thus far. thank you. let's pivot back to this wiretap allegation, we have more breaking news because manu raju has been chasing around members around capitol hill and we are waiting for letter, documents from the d.o.j. house intel committee as to whether or not there's actually evidence for the president's claims. what are you hearing what's in the letter? >> reporter: well, two key members looking at this letter, devin nunes, the chairman to have house intel committee, adam schiff ranking democrat. both of them do not expect this
letter will not verify what president trump has been saying that he's been wiretapped under the orders of president barak obama. i should caution these two men still have not reviewed this letter because actually the justice department gave one copy to the house intelligence department, i believe it's a classified copy, a hard copy and adam schiff was leaving town and devin nunes was going into the read the let ter as well, but h too said i do not believe this letter is going to back up president trump's claims. just moments ago, from angela merkel. take a listen. >> i'm not sure that we need in writing that which we are all too aware of and that is there's no basis of what the president has said and what the president repeated today and i have
express my mortification with angela merkel for him to repeat once again in the presence of one of our most significant allies this out landilandish cl that he was wiretapped by his pretty assessor ought to appall americans and reflects so poorly on the united states around the world, this should have never been a topic of discussion, a flippant work, it's just mortifying. >> reporter: how confident are you that that letter is going to show there's no evidence of wiretapping? >> i'm absolutely confident. there's in question about this. the president's statements before and his tweets since leading right up today have no basis in fact. >> reporter: so brooke, we'll see exactly what that letter says, but both adam schiff; dev devin nunes do not expect it
of alleged wire tapping on you, on trump tower, trump organization or members of your campaign was -- that british intelligence was either responsible for it or involved in it, and after these claims are rejected, what is your take on that? are there other suspects, or do you think it was a mistake to blame british intelligence for this, and by the way, my second question, are there from time to time tweets that you regret? >> very seldom. >> so you never would have -- >> probably wouldn't be here right now. very seldom. we have a tremendous group of people that listen and i can get around the media when the media doesn't tell the truth, so i like that. as far as wire tapping, i guess, by this past administration, at least we have something in common perhaps.
and just to finish your question, we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox, and so you shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to fox, okay? >> all right, so back to our breaking news. we're following developments on president trump's wire tap chaos including tensions between britain and the u.s. over sean spicer citing a fox news contributor making these wire tap surveillance claims. we're now hearing from fox news. let me just read this statement for you. fox is now saying fox news cannot confirm judge napolitano's commentary and
knows of no news at any time that the president of the united states was surveilled at any time in any way. full stop. michael smerconish is with me. just another slow news day. i mean, where to begin? what did you make of the president's comments in the joint news conference with chancellor merkel and fox news saying we can't confirm what the president is saying is truth? >> the president is pretty good on his feet but i don't think that one liner where he looked at angela merkel and said i guess we have something in common, i don't think that was extemporaneous. i think he was sitting on that for the appropriate moment because then of course it forces the reporting of the report that she was tapped under the watch of president obama and it will give fuel and substance to these allegations even though not even fox will stand behind judge
napolitano based on what you just said. to me, brooke, the big takeaway is that now we know, regardless of what fbi director comey says on monday, it's not going to impact what the president is going to say. he is going to continue with his m.o. which is to never be moving backward, to never give an inch, to always be the aggressor regardless of what the facts show. >> what is this really about to you? >> distraction. if you go back -- and you know, i paid very close attention to the chronology for this selfish reason. i was on the air that saturday morning. i know what it's like to get up at 4:30 on a saturday morning, having put together my cnn program the night before, and to immediately have to read in and pay attention to his twitter feed and see is he going to upset the apple cart and overturn the television program that we've just planned. >> welcome to my day every day.
>> right. two weeks ago tomorrow it was that kind of a morning. wake up, read in, everything's cool, and then all of a sudden in the 6:00 a.m. hour he starts with the twitter storm. well, what had just transpired? what had just transpired is that jeff sessions had said that he was going to recuse himself from any further investigation relative to this russian issue. the news cycle wasn't going well for the president and we of course then start to play like kittens with the yarn on these tweets and all of a sudden we spent two weeks talking about it. >> what happens monday? >> i think that on monday i'd be floored at this stage if on monday cofbi director comey didt say something other than there's no substance as far as he knows. if he takes a total pass i'd be very surprised. didn't he really tip his hand
already when he asked the justice department to please respond and refute to all of this? he's already told us what he believes and apparently what he knows. look, as you've been reporting and you just discussed in the last segment, the president could pick up the telephone if he really wanted to get to the bottom of this and find out whether there was a fisa warrant that in any way involved surveillance at the trump tower. >> he has all the answers at his fingertips. >> true. so instead, to answer your question, i think that come monday comey says what he says. we're now then looking to the white house again for, well, in light of what fbi director comey said does the president change his view, and he probably won't. i look at the whole pattern during the course of the campaign and in so many circumstances where you think that he had said something unsubstantiated, unjustified by the facts, he doesn't back off. the only time i can remember him backing off was the "access hollywood" tape, and it really
is -- james hoeman from the "washington post" did a nice job on this. it really is straight from the roy cohn handbook, always be on the attack, always be the guesser. otherwise you're weak. >> why do you think it's so hard for him to say sorry? >> how about this, because it works. say what you will will the man, he's the president of the united states. how do you think he got where he is, right? notice when he's citing these sources, every time he cites these sources from conservative media outlets, he's reading from the oracles on which his base relies. only when there are no longer any sources from which he can read because the conservative media has shut him out, only then will it become interesting as to what's he going to say now. sean spicer was able to get up there yesterday and read a laundry list of outlets that
have reported on this. well, when they dry up, the story will have to change. >> i can't wait to watch you tomorrow morning. you have all of this to talk about. >> i have general michael hayden tomorrow. >> excellent. >> michael hayden tomorrow is going to be my best. he's the perfect guest on this subject 9:00 tomorrow. >> 9:00 a.m., michael smerconish, thank you so much my friend. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me. "the lead with jake tapper" starts now. >> in honor of st. patrick's day the white house fountains are green and the president is serving up enough blarney for everyone. the lead starts right now. president trump's wire claim dispute and now the white house press secretary turning the briefing room and the