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between president trump and chinese president xi jinping next month. north korea will be at the top of that agenda. >> will be. elise, thanks very much. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett out front" starts right now. "out front" next, breaking news, the president not backing down from yet another unverified accusation of spying, this one against america's closest ally, the international incident unfolding at this hour. and a secret service laptop stolen, filled with floor plans for trump tower. as we learn a white house spruder was on the ground for 16 minutes before secret service took him down. is the secret service falling apart? plus trump and germany's angela merkel extremely awkward body language. what did it actually mean? let's go out front. i'm erin burnett. out front on this friday night, the president putting his pride above his country. president donald trump doubling down on a false accusation against america's closest ally,
refusing to apologize for citing another baseless claim. the latest allegation that by britain spied on him at the request of president obama. the british spy agency in a rare public statement called the claim nonsense. trump, who demands apologies from everyone who crosses him obviously not capable of apologizing himself. he's admitted that. but in a press conference with the german chancellor he made a joke about merkel being spied on and for his claim cited fox news. >> as far as wiretapping, i guess, by, you know, this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps. [ laughter ] and just to finish your question, we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying
that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox, and so you shouldn't be talking to me. you should be talking to fox. >> by the way, you'll hear what fox had to say about this. it comes just hours, what donald trump just said, after top white house aides had already offered what amounted to an apology to furious government officials. even trump's lone source of the claim of british spying, fox news, as i said, not standing by him today. okay? here is what fox news anchor shepard smith said very specifically this afternoon. >> fox news knows of no evidence of any kind that the now president of the united states was surveilled at any time in any way, full stop. >> jim acosta begins our coverage out front at the white house. jim, the white house, the cnn person in the white house apologized to the british but sean spicer after donald trump
did that thing with angela merkel is now saying, oh, no, there's been no apology, sort of trickling back against himself. >> reporter: that's right, erin. white house press secretary sean spicer said to me after that news conference today with angela merkel that the trump administration is not apologizing for spreading that bogus story about british intelligence being involved in wiretapping then candidate donald trump over at trump tower. just another sign that this white house is not backing down. they are doubling down. it was an opportunity for president trump to withdraw a baseless accusation that former president obama wiretapped him and apologize. but for a president who never admits mistakes it was an opportunity missed. >> the tweets that you regret and -- >> very seldom. >> very seldom. so you never would have -- >> very seldom. probably wouldn't be here right now. very seldom. >> reporter: at a news conference with german chancellor angela merkel the president refused to back down,
pointing to past reports that merkel was once surveilled by the u.s. intelligence community during the obama administration. >> as far as wiretapping, i guess, by, you know, this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps. >> reporter: the white house is digging in, even afterpress secretary sean spicer sparked a diplomatic uproar defending the president's comments. >> you also tend to overlook all the other sources, because i know you want to cherry-pick it. no, no, but you do. but where was your concern about "the new york times" reporting? >> reporter: to back up the president's wiretapping allegations, spicer cited an substantiated report from a fox news commentator. >> last on fox news on march 14th judge andrew napolitano said, three intelligence sources have informed fox news president obama went outside the chain of command, didn't you the cia, the nsa, the fbi, or the department of justice. he used gchq. what is that? the initials for the british intelligence spying agency. >> reporter: the british government was outraged.
utterly ridiculous, should be ignored said the british signals intelligence community. the prime minister's office added we made clear to the administration these claims are ridiculous and should be ignored. we've received assurances they won't be repeated. but president trump said no apology was necessary. >> all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. and so you shouldn't be talking to me. you should be talking to fox. >> reporter: after the press conference, spicer told reporters he was just passing on news reports from various outlets. i don't think we regret anything, he said. for the president, the merkel visit was a chance to mend fences. he had tweeted, i told you "time" magazine would never pick me as person of the year despite being the favorite.
they picked the person who is ruining germany. >> i've always said it's much better to talk to one another and not about one another, and i think our conversation proved this. >> reporter: earlier today, the justice department handed over to the house intelligence committee some documents that the trump administration is saying would bolster the president's claims about wiretapping over at trump tower. the chair of that committee, devin nunes, is expected to make a statement on all of this within the next hour. i should point out i did go back to the british government earlier this afternoon and asked them whether or not they had another comment about what the president had to say today and the white house press secretary for that matter because they did not back off of that claim that the british government was perhaps involved in the wiretapping at trump tower. they again used it during this news conference today and the president said you can talk to fox news about all this. the british government told me through a spokesperson, erin, they're not commenting any further on this matter.
>> all right. thank you very much, jim. obviously, we're awaiting that statement from chairman nunes. the documents from the department of justice. nunes has read it. that statement could come any moment. our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto, you heard jim talking to british officials. you've also been speaking to your sources in british intelligence. how are they responding to this accusation, the fact we were told they were apologized to by trump officials and now no, far from it, a double back, a no, we didn't apologize. >> in a word, apoplectic. i was at gchq last week outside of london, and this is a reticent organization. they don't like to comment publicly, certainly on intelligence matters. that tends to be the way they go. on this one, they went out pretty far.
the words nonsense, calling this an allegation that should be ignored, calling it utterly ridiculous, that's a pretty clear communication of how they feel about it. that was yesterday. today as the president given an opportunity to move beyond this or perhaps walk it back, and he doesn't take that opportunity, it's mesmerizing to folks in the british intelligence world, also diplomat si as to why that is between two of the closest allies, right? hard to pick a closer ally than the uk for the u.s. but as jim is hearing, i'm hearing the same, no immediate plans for further public comment on this. i think they made their feelings clear yesterday by calling this ridiculous. >> i want to bring in the rest of my panel. we're awaiting chairman nunes and this statement. john avlon from the daily beast, david urban, trump campaign strategist, and julia, former assistant secretary for dhs.
david urban, here's what happened today. trump went against his own team. his national security adviser had spoke on the british and said one thing. senior administration official tells us both mcmaster and spice spice together had delivered what amounted to an apology to the british. the british told reporters they were sure these allegations wouldn't be repeated. when trump is asked about it, takes it all back. what was he thinking? >> i'm not sure the president took it all back, erin. i'm not sure what transpired there. look, all this is about is this president's credibility. do our allies abroad think this president will stand by them and honor his word when he gives his word? i don't think that the british have anything to fear in that regard. i think they believe that. i don't think that the chancellor sitting next to the president believes that. listen, let's harken back and think back a year or so ago to president obama with the red line in the sand -- >> hold on. i have to interrupt you.
what you just said is something i have to get everyone in on that. but before that, manu raju, because we have the statement from chairman nunes. manu, he had seen these documents from the department of justice. what is he saying? >> reporter: that he got them and that's about it. we're not learning about the contents of the documents according to what mr. nunes just said. i'll read you this brief statement from chairman nunes saying the committee is satisfied that the department of justice has fully complied with our request for information from our march 8th letter on possible surveillance related to donald trump or his associates. he also said the committee has not received information from the cia and fbi related to a separate matter. that matter involving the issues of leaks and whether any of his information was mishandled in the way this information was leaked. he said the nsa had partially met their request regarding leaks. but saying that he is satisfied that the department of justice
has fully complied with our request for information related to the surveillance of president trump. let's unpack that. he's saying he got the information but not what's in the document. probably one reason why -- i'm told the information was classified. devin nunes entering this room where he was going to read this letter told me as he went into the room, said this is a classified document. i said do you think this is going to back um what president trump has been saying, that he was wiretapped under the orders of barack obama? he said i don't think so. those were his exact words. "i don't think so." and adam schiff, the top democrat on the committee, i asked him the same thing. he said there's absolutely no way this would back up what donald trump has been saying. he said he's spoke on the all the appropriate people and there's no way it would support what he had to say. schiff did not review those documents because they came in the afternoon right as he was leaving town and a lot of
members did not get to review it because it was a hard copy they received but there's some frustration they did not get it in time. nevertheless, this statement saying they got the documents, we'll see what they say and what james comey says on monday when he testifies before the house intelligence committee. >> julia, we understand obviously this is classified, but you heard what the chairman said to manu going into the room, he doesn't think there's anything in there that would change his view to the fact that wiretapping had not occurred. what's your take on the statement? >> i've been in government enough to -- i'll interpret it for everyone -- there's nothing in there to suggest wiretapping a occurred. how do i know that? if there were the fbi would be investigating it. and therefore the chairman would not be as confident saying what he had said publicly. this tweet investigation is
over. the trump white house, it's like monty python, i'm not dead yet, they keep insisting there's going to be something out there. there's nothing out there. the story is done. the fbi handled over information saying is the case is closed, we're not boerting ourselves with this tweet madness anymore. on to the real news. >> jim sciutto, do you agree with that? >> devin nunes is a republican and he told our manu raju he doesn't think there's anything to prove it. the fact is we've heard pretty categorical denials of any evidence from republicans and democrats from the u.s. attorney general on down. it seems very unlikely. >> all right. of course we'll be joined by congressman herd on that committee in a couple moments. i want david urban -- >> yes, i would like to finish my point. >> i want to highlight, the held line of what you were saying is what matters is whether our allies believe that our president can be trusted and our government can be trusted to say what it means and means what
it's saying. you're saying the answer to that is yes, they do believe it. >> i believe that. i believe the south koreans believe the president, if he says something, will stand up with them. i believe that chancellor merkel will believe that. today she sat there. if the russian rus were to pour across, the u.s. would be there. that wasn't the case as i was pointing out in syria with the red line. we had the president say definitively that -- president obama definitively said, and jim i'm sure was around, said if the syria regime used chemical weapons on their people the u.s. would -- it would result in u.s. military intervention. >> right. >> that happened and it didn't occur. >> before you deskrepd into the game of what about-ism, let's acknowledge the fact what you just said makes no sense. >> not true. >> you just said our allies have every e reason to take the president at his word when he's doubling down on things that are
false. [ talking over each other ] you're trying to defend the indefensible. no respect for the american people as well as the intelligence and the allies. >> i'm asking for what evidence you have that they don't. >> exactly what the right accused obama of every time, alienating allies. he's alienating allies left and right. >> we had a president who told the world -- >> oh, just -- [ talking over each other ]. >> we are dealing with this president right now. [ talking over each other ] >> we told a bad guy what erp we were going to do and didn't do it p. >> this has nothing to do with assad. >> paul ryan, devin nunes, senator burr, john mccain, tom cole, all these guys have said there's nothing there. that's one thing. the second thing is on this issue specifically of britain, our biggest ally, he came out
today and said you shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to fox. can i play you what fox said? i think this is important. >> listen -- >> hold on. when you get an opportunity to apologize, the national security adviser and press secretary had already delivered what amounted to an apology, this was his answer. here's fox news. >> fox news knows of no evidence of any kind that the now president of the united states was surveilled at any time in any way, full stop. >> david? >> so what are you looking for, erin? >> he keeps bringing up an allegation that appeared on fox. fox is saying there's no evidence of it. give an chance to apologize today and doesn't. you're saying that doesn't cause any issue with our biggest ally. >> i don't think it does. >> jim sciutto, you talked to them. does it? >> i just went to europe and i
met with leaders and officials from a number of u.s. allies. and this is the issue they have here. they don't know whose statement holds because they will listen to president trump, they'll read his tweets, and then they'll get a face-to-face with the general mattis or a secretary tillerson or others and oftentimes the message is different, even contradictory. so in private -- they won't say this in public because they're allies and they're careful about it. in private they express deep concerns because they don't know what holds today. and the real concern is when there's a crisis, when those statements really matter. when north korea launches a missile. right? or russia -- >> to your point the syrian government using chemical weapons on their people. we saw wit president obama. >> i don't do political commentary. i'm telling you what i heard from british officials about
what they believe about statements from the u.s. they're confused. they don't know what to believe. >> to this point, mcmaster calls his counterparts and delivers what amounts to an apology and trump doesn't back him um. you don't see that as a problem, undermining his own national security adviser? >> as jim stated the british and the u.s. obviously have an incredible special close relationship. historically our closest ally. i'm not quite certain where the president was given an opportunity to apologize and he walked it alejandra oraa did something that did not support what general mcmaster or sean did at the press conference. i didn't see that or hear that. during when he was asked at the press conference with the chancellor, i don't think that he negated what either of those individuals said. >> he obviously did. i'm sorry. he obviously did. look, general mcmaster and general mattis, people serving their country with incredible distinction, being undermined and therefore you get engaged in
a surreal game of contain the president, and that's a really unusual situation for the country for reasons we should not ignore. >> where was the question he was asked do you refute or repudiate the statements by general mcmaster and -- >> talk to fox news, the president said. >> let me play how he answered it again, okay? he said we said nothing. >> let's be specific about it. let's look at it. >> here it is. >> we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. and so you should .talking to me. you should be talking to fox. >> but again, erin, i didn't hear the question. was the question, do you repudiate or refute what general mcmaster -- >> the exact question was from a german reporter. he'd been asked his response to
the british allegations. he didn't answer it. this was in response to the second question. the exact words. when he says you shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to fox, is that the way you want your president to answer a question? citing a pundit on fox who made an allegation. now he's citing this person again. >> let's hear the question. i want to hear the specific question. >> all right. i'm going to get to the exact wording of the question. he was asked specifically -- sorry? >> i was going to say we could do word parsing or whatever david wants at this stage, but let's just -- in the 24-hour period, let's look at how the world is looking at us because as someone in national security i'm just getting tired of talking about trump the fernl i personality. that's not what the united states is about. >> i want to jump in, david, and read you the question. i want to be clear it came from a german reporter. he goes on about the rejected
wiretapping claims and he says, are there other suspects or do you think it was a mistake to blame british intelligence for this? by the way, my second question for the time, are there tweets that you regret? trump says very seldom, very seldom. >> he said i don't regret tweets. i don't hear where he said i refute or negate -- >> i'm sorry. david. let me be very clear. he said, do you think it was a mistake to blame british intelligence? donald trump's answer, to finish your question, we said nothing, all we did was quote an expert. >> it's not true because donald trump tweeted four times two weeks ago himself accusing president obama. he didn't say fox news accuses president obama. >> and brought up british intelligence specifically. but yes, absolutely. >> my bigger point earlier and to continue the point, do you think the south koreans right now are concerned that the u.s. or that president trump will not stand behind them?
do you think the germans, do you think the british think that? if you do -- >> -- allies have no reason to be concerned about the integrity of general mattis, secretary mat tisz, mcmaster, but unfortunately i think they have very good reason rooted in his own words and comments to be concerned about the very least about how grounded this president seems to be in commonly acknowledged reality. >> that's your opinion. >> yes, it is. >> juliette, where do you think this goes from here in terms of what the british are going to do about it? tonight when they were asked, jim reporting apoplectic. what are they going do? >> very british to be angry but not commenting. which is good. we like that. i think they'll stand down. they've made their point clear. look, there are mechanisms of national security that are working below this level, so people have known each other for years, intelligence and military
officers. i think it's somewhat e delusional about the world to believe that they're not watching this with a bit of chagrin, nervousness, humor, whatever word you want to put there. as i said, in the 24-hour period, we gratuitously dragged british intelligence into this in an attempt to unwind the original lie in the tweet. we offend the germans making an off-handled joke and clearly a relationship that is not as close as it was previously between germany and the u.s. by tweet we suggest we may be abandoning or may be heading towards military efforts in north korea with no statement about what does that mean and i should remind people the tweet actually mentions china and makes a dig at china. all of these things. it's 24 hours. as i was saying earlier, as a national security person, the focus on personality and what he meant and the tweet and whether
he was in a good mood or a bad mood, it's childish at this stage. we are the united states of america. we used to represent something and i think it belies the headlines you see abroad, belies the reporting from someone like jim and rest of your cnn comm t commentators and reporters that this is not having an impact on how the world perceives us. our credibility is our national security. >> let me go back to president obama. when president obama made a promise to the world about the use of military intervention in syria if the syrian dictator used chemical weapons, there's a real-life example of it right there. and what happened? did the world cave? the president walked completely away from it, abandoned his statement. were you outraged then? >> that's all you've got? >> i'm asking you. there's a concrete example of a president who drew a line in the sand. if you use chemical weapons, we will use military force against
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potentially compromising security at trump tower in new york is the latest setback for the secret service. an agent's computer was stolen out of her car in new york city thursday. on it, floor plans and evacuation protocols for trump tower. sources say the laptop was highly encrypted but it can't be traced or erased remotely. a spokesmekesman for the depart says there is no classified information on the computer. >> had a bad week. >> reporter: two agents are the subject of an internal investigation after being accused of photographing the president's grandson. the entire trump family and their children receive protection and sources say the agents took pictures of donald trump jr.'s son as he was sleeping while being driven around new york city. this comes as we are learning new details about a security breach at the white house where an intruder spent at least 15 minutes evading security on white house grounds while inching closer to the president. according to a secret service source, 26-year-old jonathan
tran scaled a treasury department fence last friday and set off several alarms but still managed to sneak past a secret service security post before being caught in the inner portion of the white house grounds. a criminal complaint shows he was carrying two cans of mace and was walking close to the exterior wall of the white house while the president was home. trump praised the secret service's response. >> secret service did a fantastic job. it was a troubled person. very sad. >> reporter: but a former agent says the breach was disturbing. >> he was able to beat the physical security measures at the white house, the technological security measures and the human capital, uniformed guard, and that's alarming. >> reporter: now a house oversight committee wants the breach investigated writing, if true, these allegations raise questions about whether the agency's security protocals are c adequate. >> all of these things are an
embarrassment to the secret service compounding that problem, there's no director of the secret service right now. the onus is on dhs. >> reporter: about that last breach, the secret service admits there were lapses in security protocols. it says it conducted its own investigation and interviewed dozens of people actually reviewed radio transmissions and also surveillance video and said it's actually angry that this even happened and said it's trying to fix the problem right now. as for the intruder, erin, he was released from jail with u.p.s. tracking. not allowed in the washington, d.c., area until he's back in court next month. >> brinn, thank you. now to republican congressman from texas will herd, former cia officer, also hits on the house intelligence and oversight committees. a lot to talk to you about tonight. the laptop, extremely sensitive information on it, can't be erased, cannot be traced. how serious is a lapse like this? >> well, it's very serious. and when one secret service
agent shows a lapse like this, it affects the entire organization. on the house oversight committee, i think we've done three or four hearings on the tactics, techniques, and procedures of secret service. they have historically been one of the most professional organizations. and i think president trump was being incredibly gracious when he was complimenting the secret service for the person that got near the door. but that's a problem. and we've seen problems in training, seen problems in staffing, the levels and the protection of the united states -- the president of the united states is very important. and this is troubling. >> all right. you mentioned all of these issues and of course that fence jumper who got to the door there for 16 minutes, tallas agents taking pictures of one of president trump's grandsons. will you investigate the secret service? you're also mentioning lots of issues here. >> well, this has been an issue
historically that the house oversight committee led by chairman chaffetz has looked into. like i said, i think in the last congress we had three or four hearings on the operations and the culture within the secret service. and i'm sure that will continue. >> i also want to get to you on the other breaking news, congressman, this hour, that the justice department, obviously delivering those documents today to your committee about president trump's allegations that the former president obama wiretapped him. we understand an official is telling us these documents do not confirm any allegations of wiretapping. can you tell us anything else about what's in them? >> i haven't seen the documents but i think it was pretty clear from most of the senior leadership, from both sides of the aisle, republican and democratic leadership, about the issue of potential obama tapping of the trump tower.
i think it's been pretty clear there's no evidence to suggest that and so i'm unaware what's in this doj memo, but i'm sure it will be reviewed before the hearing that we're having on monday. >> let me ask you about that hearing because again i want to emphasize the breaking news at this moment. we are just getting this headline. an official is telling us these classified documents delivered to your chit tee do not confirm trump's allegations of wiretapping. so i want to be very clear about that. the fbi director going to be testifying as you say on monday. what are you going to be asking him given this? >> it's going to be director comey as well as the director of the nsa. those will be the two witnesses at the hearing. this is an unprecedented move of the house intelligence committee, having an unclassified open hearing. this shows, you know, the
transparency in this review. and this is -- there will be a lot of topics. i think it's ultimately going to be must-watch tv. it will be talking about russian involvement and trying to influence our election, time line of the hack of the dnc, the democratic national committee, and the democratic congressional campaign committee. talking about status of investigations by law enforcement. what will be interesting is what is able to be shared or not shared in that environment. so this is going to be probably a long day on the 20th. >> i would imagine. again, given that we now understand from this official that these documents do not confirm any allegations of wiretapping, that obviously fits with what your leadership says, what speaker ryan has said, with what we have heard from person after person including the former head of the dni. numerous republicans have called on the president to retract the allegation that president obama wiretapped him. some have gone further. tom cole, deputy whip, said
unless there's compelling proof, president obama is owed an apology from president trump. what we understand now is that proof is not there, nothing that would support this. do you agree that president trump should apologize to president obama? >> i'm going to quote my father, bob hurd, something he told all of my friends when they got married -- it never hurts to say you're sorry. i think this goes for this situation, for the situation with our british friends. our intelligence cooperation between the u.s. and the british is one of the strongest that we have, and it never hurts to say sorry to your friends. >> do you wish he had taken that opportunity today when he was given it? >> well, he's the president of the united states. he can do what he thinks is in his best interest. but this is something that will probably linger. and the issue of privacy in the united states is important, is tantamount in protecting civil liberties.
privacy is an issue that's important in europe. this debate will create unintended circumstances as we discuss future intelligence program, intelligence sharing amongst our allies, and it's important that we -- everyone start being more precise in their language and that's just not the executive branch. it's congress as well, my friends on both sides of the aisle. and to be honest, erin, your colleagues in the press as well. quoting an unnamed intelligence official or officials, that's information, not intelligence, because if it's unnamed, i don't know if it's a gs-10 person in some random intelligence organization or the head of the agency. >> all right. i appreciate your time, congressman. good to talk to you again. >> happy st. paddy's day. >> you too. next, trump supporters who say they don't know the details of the new health care bill but don't care. they have faith in donald trump to do the right thing. >> i really in my heart feel
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tonight house republicans set to vote on the plan to repeal and replace obamacare that would come as early as next week as president trump says some republicans are flipping their votes. >> we met 12 pretty much noes in congress, went from all knows to all yes, sirs and we have a lot of yes's coming in. we'll have great health care. >> as republicans are trying to work the bill to get more support. cnn is keeping track of the votes and at this moment 14 republican are nos, 11 lean nothing. they can only afford to lose 21. what do voters in trump country think of this whole debate over
obamacare and the gop bill? martin savidge is out front. >> reporter: in this part of michigan, breakfast is big. this is a city, a town that just about every american knows mainly because of breakfast. >> yes. >> reporter: kellogg. >> yep. >> hi. i'm tony the tiger. >> reporter: donald creek, the city that frosted flabs and grape nuts built, home to kellogg and post. while these international companies are holding strong, other parts of battle creek like many parts of michigan have seen better days. from cuts to production lines to jobs shifting out of state to finding affordable health care. >> it's been depressed. >> reporter: paul owns the griffin grill. he wanted to provide health care coverage for his 30 employees but couldn't afford it. he says he could barely afford his own. he didn't enroll in obamacare and claims the health care law still took a toll on his premiums. just so i'm clear, wasn't you didn't have obamacare, it was the impact obamacare had on your
private insurance? >> yes. absolutely. it -- >> reporter: did you see it right away, the increase sfs. >> you could see it just doubling. >> reporter: a tax attorney, chris, in part owes his living to the impact obamacare has had on his middle income customers. >> people can't afford insurance so they go without it or they buy the insurance but don't pay their taxes so they come into my office as a result. >> reporter: safe to say in this part of america the affordable care act is not very popular. after twice voting for obama, calhoun county swung the other way in 2016. was donald trump's talk of replacing obamacare one of the things that drew you to him? >> definitely. >> reporter: jim is self-employed and the republican county chair. he too says he struggled to pay his family's thousand dollars a month health insurance premiums. >> i ended up just deciding i'm going to go without. >> reporter: what do you know of the republican plan put forward
so far? i know what's in the headlines so i don't know details. >> reporter: a lot of trump supporters i talk to admit they don't know the details of the republican plan to replace obamacare. do they know what the change is going to be? >> they don't know what the change is. i don't know if they really understand what trump is proposing and frankly i don't either. >> yeah. you know, it's overloaded because that's all they're talking about so i turn it on and turn it off. but -- >> reporter: do you think it will be better? >> well, i do. >> reporter: another reoccurring theme among trump voters. in their minds, anything will be better than obamacare, especially if trump's behind it. >> i really in my heart feel that trump cares about the american people. and when he says he wants to make america great again, i think he has the best intentions to get people healthy. >> reporter: donald trump has sort of implied -- and i know he uses simplistic language, but it's going to be the best ever, going to cost less, you'll get
more, those kind of things. do you believe that? >> i think his ability to negotiate and get people from all sides buying into it, i think that they're going to make some improvements. >> reporter: if the president says it's going to be a good plan -- >> well, i'm not sure i'm that trusting. but better, less bad, maybe? >> reporter: there have been some suggestions that the president's swift action to try to replace obamacare is upsetting crossover voters in places like michigan. so i asked that of every trump voter we talked to here. their response? absolutely no. erin? >> all right. thank you very much, martin. pretty powerful, going to the ground to see what the truth is. jason cantor joins me now and kayleigh mcenany. jason, you heard what martin said. this is not affecting the crossover voters he talked to
and you heard what person after person there said. obamacare for them is so bad, one person went without health insurance, they to a t say they would prefer an alternative, even a less bad one. what do you say to these people? >> well, i say that i hope the president realizes the faith that so many americans are putting in the promises that he has made. and i emphasize the promises because the promises that he has made include making sure that everybody gets covered, making sure everybody's insurance gets cheaper. basically he's said it's terrific, he won't cut medicaid under any circumstances. the problems is his actions have resulted in breaking all of those promises. a health care bill that causes 14 million fewer people, that health care bill is a bad idea. >> although of course i just want to clarify, the cbo says that's because most people will opt not to have the insurance, which puts them at risk in other
ways. >> also largely because of medicaid cuts. >> kayleigh, what's your response? >> a few things. the democrats are have put us in a horrible position. they thought it was a great idea to take over 20% of the economy that is the health care industry and put forward the affordable care act and it's become the unaffordable care act. it's in a death spiral as we've seen on the ground. democrats, the onus is on them to come to the negotiating table because this plan that jason referred to, the report doesn't account for the third phase of trump's plan, and i don't want to get into the weeds but basically the third phase is where we sutcut so much of the cost that voters in that video you just played referred to, dems won't come to the negotiating table. they're acting like recalcitrant children saying we're going to live the people out to dry despite putting them in that scenario. the onus is on the democrats because you have a president who's put forth a moderate, palate ability plan and democrats refuse to negotiate.
>> jason, there was one voter in that piece, deb black, and i'll quote her. i really in my heart feel that trump cares about the american people. to finish her quote, he has the best of intentions to get people healthy. how can you argue with that level of trust? isn't it incredible? these people do truly believe in him right now. >> president trump has been making huge promises his entire life, and this is no different. he promised he would never touch medicaid, made all sorts of promises in the health care bill. what has resulted is something really different. when you talk about democrats coming to the table, what should happen is what happens in everybody else's workplace around the country, which is when something is put forward and it's not perfect, you work together to make it better. what you don't do is decide to just throw it out, start all over again in order to keep a political promise. that is what the republicans in congress are doing while president trump is breaking all his promises.
>> jason, here's what i think you're missing. think back to the primaries. we saw democratic candidates on one side saying obamacare is great, we have this in place. republicans on the other side saying we don't need to give any sort of tax credit or entitlement. let's work a free market system, health care is not a right. oe candidate in the middle, president trump, saying we need to bring the two side together saying yes, we give people some sort of entitlement but bring down costs. i have not seen one democrat come forward and say -- >> i haven't seen him do any of the things you described. >> he has. >> president obama said if president trump put something forward that would do what he promised and would be better than obamacare, he would sum port it. i think we all would. but he hasn't done that. >> kayleigh, he -- >> maybe the best he's ever been at promises but the worst execution. >> martin showed trump supporters believe in the president even if they're not thrilled about the plan, they
trust him. there are some avid trump supporters who don't feel that way. we've also taub also talked to . >> we all want to thrive and make america great again as he would say, but we can't do that if we're struggling to pay bills. >> what do you say to her, kayleigh? she was a trump supporter and this health care bill she says is not going to be good for her. >> the costs have to come down, absolutely. and you have a little bit of cost saving mechanism in the first phase of the plan, but we need 60 votes in order to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines and to get 60 votes that means we need eight democrats, and if democrats like jason don't want to come together and help these skyrocketing premiums, we can't get 60 votes in the senate. >> i will leave it there. thank you both. appreciate your time. next, what were chancellor merkel and president trump really saying without speaking a word?
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the prens today between president trump and angela merkel rather strange. i want to play a couple moments here because anyone who didn't see it, i think they should see parts of it because it was awkward to say the least for certain moments and it wasn't all due to translation. there was a moment in the oval office where the chancellor and trump do not shake hands. let me play it for you. >> okay. >> thank you. >> mr. president, handshake, please? >> well, one thing we don't see is a handshake. what do you see? >> right. it feeds into the perception that awkwardness you were talking about between the two of them. if you're if the white house and it's your hope to show this was a close relationship, perceptually, this did not see it. in the moment, you see angela
merkel, her leg is crossed over and leaning and facing toward the president, and the president is giving no acknowledgment, almost like a cold shoulder p perceptu perceptually. is it a cold dis? i don't think so. it seems like he's preoccupied, in a sprinter's pose, at the front of the chair, tapping. we saw this when he was zitting with president obama in the oval office. seems like he's in another place. >> i remember with prime minister from abe from japan, yelling for them to shake hands. he's knew to this but he's been through it before. >> yes. >> and obviously there they still didn't to the handshake. i want to show you one more moment not from the oval office but from the press conference itself. >> great. okay. >> in this, this is going to be the look on trump's face. he's asked the question about wiretapping which obviously he didn't want to be asked. let me play it. >> okay. >> government officials in london today rejected white
house claims that they unleashed wiretapping on you, on trump tower, on trump organization, or on members of your campaign, was that british intelligence was either responsible for it or involved in it. after thee claims are rejected, what is your take on that? >> all right. we'll put up so people can see the still of his reaction. people could watch that on the split screen. what does his reaction say? >> several things. he does this lip pursing as almost a way to pause for a second. he also -- when we don't like what we see or hear, our lips tend to disappear. this is a moment he doesn't like it. he'll close his eyes for a second, it's called eye blocking, an indicator of dislike, whether he dislikes the question or the reporter asking the question or the topic. just a general sign he's not pleased to deal with this
question and he shows with that lip locking and the blocking hi eyes. >> his face was gesticulating i guess what you do with your hands but seems like his face was gesticulating, moving it so much. >> having a party in that moment. shows a lot of emotion contrasting that with angela merkel, she is very calm and does not show a lot of facial response. >> completely nothing, even when he makes the joke. let me play this because political commentators are focusing on this when trump answers wiretapping question. >> as far as wiretapping i guess, you know, this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps. [ laughter ] what do you see there? >> it's a double take moment for her. she'll look over and squint her eyes in a moment of confusion, maybe not sure what he's saying or how to respond to it. then she returns back to a very
calm manner, getting ready for the next question to be ready for whatever's coming next. she is slightly surprised by that comment. >> you can see it when we play it slo-mo. thanks so much. great to talk to you. >> thanks for having me. >> have a wonderful weekend. anderson is next. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news that knocks the legs if there were any left of president trump's claim that president obama had him wiretapped. our manu raju has just gotten the bottom line. he joins us. what are your sources telling you about this doj report? >> reporter: tonight a government official tells me that there is nothing in this report that will corroborate a central claim made by the president of the united states that his predecessor, barack obama, had ordered wiretaps of him and spied on him during the presidential campaign. now, this source tells me that that claim that the president