tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN March 17, 2017 6:00pm-7:01pm PDT
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earlier this afternoon, does not confirm what president trump and the white house have been saying for the past two weeks, that he was wiretapped under the orders of president barack obama. now, we are told that this report, which is a classified report, does not have actually any corroboration to what the president has been saying. as members were going in, they were very skeptical it would go anywhere near what president trump was saying. the republican chairman, devon nunez told me, quote, i don't think so that, this would actually confirm what president trump is saying. adam schiff, the top democrat on the committee, said he was, quote, absolutely confidence there was nothing in this d.o.j. report to congress that would confirm what president trump has been saying. even his own justice department now is refuting the white house. what will the white house say? tonight, the justice department is not commenting on what they actually said to congress.
>> but this was all presented in a classified setting. is there a possibility we may never know the contents of the full report? >> it is very possible. one air why that has caused frustration among some members. they don't know why this has to be classified. we are told that james comey is prepared to testify on the monday hearing before the house intelligence committee on this very issue. adam schiff telling me just yesterday that he believes from what his conversation is with comey, that he will publicly rebut what donald trump is saying. at the very least, we will get a sense from where the fbi director stands on this central issue. the question is what broader surveillance may have taken place from the obama administration. we may not get to the bottom of that. on the central question that donald trump continues to raise, he has been wiretapped by president barack obama ordered by president barack obama. we appear to be getting closer
to the conclusion from the intelligence community. >> more now from the white house where they have presumably seen the d.o.j. the president restated his original claim. jeff zeleny has that. >> reporter: president trump did not back down from his explosive and unproven claim that president obama wiretapped him at trump tower. >> as far as wiretapping, this past administration at least we have something in common perhaps. >> reporter: meeting with german chancellor, angela merkel, he referenced past reports where she was tapped by the nsa and did not apologize to the british government suggesting that british spies were behind the wiretapping. >> just to finish your question, we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was
the one responsible for saying that on television. >> reporter: asked by a german reporter whether it was a mistake to p blame the german agency, the president passed the buck. >> i didn't make an opinion. that was made by a very talented lawyer on fox. you shouldn't be talking to me. you should be talking to fonlths have okay. >> reporter: an hour later, fox news responded. >> fox news cannot confirm judge napolitano's commentary. he knows of no evidence of any kind that the now president of the united states was surveiled at any time at any way. >> reporter: the wiretapping claim escalated into an international incident after sean spicer defended the president thursday. from the white house podium, spicer repeated na ppolitano's sthaugs a british intelligence agency helped a british agency
spy on trump. >> he didn't use the nsa or the cia or the fbi or the department of justice, he used gchq. >> that comment infuriated great britain, one of the most important u.s. allies. a spokesman for theresa may said we have made clear to the u.s. administration that these claims are ridiculous and should be ignored. a senior administration official said spicer and national security adviser offered what amounted to an apology to the british government. spicer later refuted that saying the administration had no regrets. the question in all of this as the eighth week of the administration comes to an ed. how has this damaged president trump's credibility both here in washington and also around the world? that became clear when he was standing side by side as the german chancellor as she was trying to size him up, take a measure of him. they will be working together going forward.
tonight, the relationship with britain, of all places, the most important and longest standing ally of the u.s. certainly is in question. anderson? >> let's get the panel's take. former top white house adviser, david axlerod, carl bernstein, former gop house committee chairman, mike rogers. david axlerod, you would think there would be sort of internal white house procedures that are supposed to be in place to insure the u.s. government doesn't offend its most important ally in such an o off-handed way? >> and in a white house that seems to be so asid duous about procedures. it is shocking that such a thing could happen. every organization takes on the personality of the person on top. donald trump is an improvisational figure. he woke up two weeks ago, he
tweeted something, apparently prompted by something that he saw or read and started this incredible brouhaha, knocked down by every conceivable source. now, he is quoting someone on fox news who even fox news disclaims in creating an international incident. there has to be some sort of control but he has to be willing to be controlled. no one is going to stop him from doing what he wants to do if he feels like he succeeds by doing it. so far, he has gotten pretty far doing this. i would love to see them take his twitter account away from him. i think it would be good for the administration and good for the country. that's not going to happen. >> chairman rogers, how do you see this? it does seem like this administration has caused an unnecessary international incident with the british government. >> one if by sea, two if by sea
and three by wiretap as it goes. i think he has just dumped a couple more quarters into the conspiracy meter on this. it is rational that the president of the united states thinks that this helps his cause on what is a big carfuffle. there is apparently a serious investigation that's going on that may actually lead to some kind of criminal action on somebody that served in the trump campaign along the way. it doesn't mean they were engaged in it. i think that is probably likely to happen. dragging in the british who are some of our closest allies, our five-eye intelligence partners, including signal intelligence is a head-scratcher. my argument is they need to apply a little discipline in the white house. he needs to stop talking about this and be more concerned if our intelligence services are getting the kintd of intelligence they should about what are the intentions in north
korea as that whole situation is ramping up. instead we are talking about our british friends could be spying on the united states, including a presidential candidate. none of that makes sense. it reminds me of candidate trump. he used to retweet stuff and you would call him and he said, i didn't say it. i just retweeted it. i didn't say this. i saw it on television and sean spicer said it from the podium of the white house, which does give it some credence, would you think. >> anderson, this is donald trump's trump's m.o. it is quite purposeful. it is time for the press to change our coverage a bit and look at what the real story is here. the real story is that the president of the united states is a compulsive liar. along with that, this compulsive lying is taking place at a time when mike rogers has just pointed out the most important
fact of all, an fbi investigation that is closing in on some of donald trump's associates. we don't know what the results of that investigation will be. those of us following it closely know that it is ac seller rated and it is going to be a major piece of news regardless of what it finds. donald trump is trying to deflect us by making up these fabulous tales. we need to start covering this president and his line as a story undoits self. maybe we need an hour special on presidential lying. let's look at bill clinton and la winsky and nixon. we have never been with a compulsive liar this uses untruth as a basic way of governance. >> i just wish krarm would stop
mincing words. i can't stand that. i think one thing we ought to ask is whatever investigation is going on, chances are donald trump has some sense of what it is and where it might lead. there is an element of tragedy to try to sully the investigation. if something does surface, you can say, i have been telling this this all along. there is tremendous collateral damage to such a strategy, not just in terms of our relationship with allies. he is completely degrading not only his own credibility by his staff. sean spicer is someone i know and i like. he has gone out and completely discredited himself and twisted himself into pretzels trying to justify the unjusty fibl. the white house is like a fantasy island over there. everybody else in the world knows that what is being said isn't true. they keep digging and digging
and digging. i think that's on the orders of the president of the united states. >> so he is riccardo monta von and he is. >> yes, he is tattoo. >> chairman rogers, the other way to look at this is if there was no collusion and there is no evidence of this at this point, there is no there there in terms of russian connection toss anyone in the trump orbit during the campaign. that would be a big victory for the white house and president trump. he has made so many missteps along the way. it raised questions to even some of his supporters about his credibility. >> i thought the biggest swing and a miss was they had the appoint tee, director of national intelligence for the obama administration, who served
for eight years, came out and said, there was no collusion. he would know that. the second part of that was, there was no fisa warrant related to mr. trump, the trump tower or the campaign fwlchlt ask clapper said before he left had he seen no evidence. >> it was clapper. that's what i was referring to. it was director clapper. it was the time for the president to say, there it is. it is done. let's move on. we have other big important issues. senior intelligence official said, there is nothing to see here, move along. instead, he kind of doubled down on it. my guess is he saw something he didn't like. i'm going to guess it is incidental collection, meaning that given where one of the players in the trump administration, at least the campaign may, in fact, have been incidentally, you have heard that term used by the chairman
of the house intelligence committee, incidentally collected, meaning that somebody probably did talk to the russian ambassador. it may or may not have been criminal at all. it was probably an incidental collection. if they made that phone call from trump tower, you can see where the president got a little confused and thought, well, they are tapping me. in a sense, that's not how it works. my whole argument to them is, if he does watch television, mr. prez, please, please, please, stop talking about this. there are so many more important things to move on and concern yourself with. >> one other aspect is the smearing of barack obama. this goes along with the birtherism. this is the same person who has been doing had other kind of thing. no other president has said the kind of things about his predecessor that donald trump has now said about barack obama. a sick man, a bad plan, he
called him. it is extraordinary. all this theater is of a piece, which is why i'm suggesting that the press has to find a new way to cover this. and look at what the real story is and what the threads are that run through it. that has to do with untruth. that also has to do with fry tog deflect attention from what mike rogers is talking about about this investigation. >> carl bernstein, mike rogers. i appreciate you being with us tonight. we spoke about great britain. it is not just u.k. we will look closer with the new president's relationship with america's most important ally and how germany's chancellor has gone to try to figure out donald trump. how an intried your got on to white house grounds and stayed there undetected for more than 16 minutes. how did that happen? details ahead. in zeros. but shouldn't it be about firsts? and seconds... how about adding a third?
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new details about the recent security scare. they say the man that scaled multiple fences was on the ground for more than 16 minutes before he was discovered. we know a lot more about lou the breach unfolded. jessica snyder has details. >> reporter: a secret service source tells cnn video surveillance shows 26-year-old jonathan tran hopped a fence to the grounds at the northwest corner by the treasury building and jump a gate and walked along
the driveway. he set off several alarms but continue td continued undetected. he moved around to the south side of the white house through the first ladies garden. he was finally caught at the entrance to the residence just below the president's bedroom. president trump was inside the residence grchlt sh there were multiple failures of the security system, whether it was the physical security of the fencing, the technological secure means and the human capitol means. >> reporter: the source says he was seen looming around pennsylvania avenue almost six hours before he was arrested. this is not the first time this video showing a previous security breach in 2014 when a 42-year-old iraq war veteran armed with a knife made it all the way inside the white house, into the east room before being
tackled, just 29 seconds after he jumped the fence. the day after this most recent white house breach, the president praised the secret service. >> the secret service did a fantastic job. it was a troubled person. >> thursday, another security breach. an agent's laptop with trump tower floor plans and evac wakes protocols taken from the agent's car thursday morning. also stolen, lapel pins used by on-duty agents. they say that laptop is encrypted. >> that laptop can't be traced and erased remotely. the white house intruder was charged and is now being monitored by federal authorities while wearing a gps tracking device. the secret service confirms there is a comprehensive investigation and adds, the men and women are extremely angry and disappointed with how this all transpired. >> joining us now in person is cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent we
just heard from. problems with cameras and obviously some of the personnel as well. 60 minutes just seems like. >> forever. >> forever. >> 16 seconds is too long at the white house. 16 minutes is absolutely unacceptable. >> you would think anybody jumping any fence immediately it would trigger alarms? >> absolutely. that's the way the systems are set up. whenever you have a security system, you want overlapping forms of mitigation. regardless of whether it is in a government setting or a corporate setting, here you had physical barriers, the fence, technological surveillance and detection through alarms and you had your human capitol, which are your uniformed officers, your physical policing force of the white house. they should overlap each other so you don't have one point of failure. we had three points of failure. physical security, technology
and h and the human capital failed. >> by rattling the door in the sou south. >> secret service has to take a look at reinforcing defensive posture. >> other people that have problems see it and say, i will give it a try as well. you have no doubt there will abe top to bottom review. this is a wake-up call sxwchlt the. >> this is an absolute wake-up call. secretary kelly has gone to the white house and reviewed this. the secret service doesn't have a director, an acting director. there is a gap of leadership to steward the secret service through this. the stealing of this encrypted laptop and the badges, how big of a deal is that? it is heavily encrypted.
>> any time you have stolen property from any law enforcement officer, it is a big deal. now, this seems like it was a crime of opportunity. it doesn't seem like this was a targeted event. that's somewhat of an advantage. the hard drive is encrypted. there is a dual factor identification that is needed, an i.d. card. the pins, those are a little bit disturbing. if they are the protective pins. >> if they are up to date. >> if they are up to date and the issued protective pins, that is a little bit worrisome. that's even more of a concern right now. >> the good news is they would at least know what pins they were and although they are not releasing that information, that would be something. >> that's a point of access control. the secret service can easily change that point of access control moving forward. >> jonathan, i appreciate you being with us. >> just ahead, president trump and german chancellor, angela merkel arriving at today's meeting with the back top of the iraqi relationship.
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is clear the overall visit was aimed in part in mending the relationship sblchlt d relationship. >> i have always said it is better to talk to one another and not about one another. i think our conversation proved this. >> chancellor merkel is alluding to some of the comment that is candidate trump made about her in the campaign and more from tom foreman. >> reporter: even as the immigrant crisis was surging in europe he said she woos fantastic and probably the greatest leader in the world today. as germany's angela merkel let more and more migrant's into her country. donald trump said they picked the person that is ruining germany z what she has done in germany is insane. merkel did a horrible job when she accepted so many. in germany, they are going to have problems like you have never seen. they already have. >> she largely kept her thoughts about trump private.
>> i will not intervene at all during the u.s./american campaign. so we will have to wait. >> reporter: when he won, she was mag nnanimous. >> i offer close cooperation to the future president of the united states, donald trump. >> the two have many sharp differences. >> we are talking about the safety of our nation, the safety and security of our people. >> reporter: as he has tried to slap a travel ban on several muslim majority nations she has argued the fight against terrorism does in no way justify general suspicion of people in certain beliefs. he has applauded great britain's vote to leave the european un yn. >> i think brexit is going to be a wonderful. >> merkel has promised germany will stand firmly with europe and won't be pushed around in any trade deals. they have disagreed on syria,
nato, russia and trump appears in no way eager to give the chancellor a pass. >> who do you trust more if you talk to them, angela merkel or vladmir putin? >> i start off trusting both and let's see how long that lasts. it may not last long at all. >> reporter: merkel seems ready to at least give the new president some time. >> even they are differing opinions, compromises and possibilities are always best to be made whether there is a respectable exchange. >> reporter: some close to merkel say she prepared extensively for this first meeting with frum going ovtrump his speeches and reviewing his encounters with other leaders, all to make sure she would understand his position and that he would understand hers. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. joining us fareed zakaria, host of "fareed zakaria gps."
germany is one of the most important relationship that is we have. along with great britain. both are under strain. >> there are two elements. one is that trump is almost path logically impulsive. everything he does is spaz mott tick. he praises merkel to the skies when she is up. he kicks her when she is down. it is a momentum play as it were. part of it is that trump really doesn't get the atlantic alliance. ever since he was a real estate developer in the 1980s, he has been on this kick that nato is useless. all these allies should pay their way. he doesn't understand the achievement of the european countries and how important america was in creating that peaceful, prosperous europe. that piece of it you can feel the philosophical gap between merkel and him. when he got elected, she did say
something nice. she finished that statement by saying, our partnership rests on shared values alone. meaning, if you don't share our values, tlar here is no point i having an alliance with the united states. we are in an odd situation where the chancellor of germany has become the leader of the western liberal order. >> it is also interesting their opinions on letting immigrants come into the country whether they are migrants or refugees. germany has let in as many as 1 million people. many were war-torn area, many without vetting. there are people that very cursory vetting at best. >> american refugees, people need to understand, two years, 15 american government agencies, biometric i.d.s. the germans just let these people in. one has to say, who knows? things can go wrong. so far, what is striking is how
few problems germany has had. >> relative to 1 million people coming in. >> 1 million people coming in to a country. it is extraordinary. it is almost 1% of the population added in one year. all trump has to say is negative stuff about it. merkel is trying to deal with a catastrophe on her borders. these people were poring in. >> these are the relationships which are supposed to be easy. you wonder, if this is happening with these countries who are our allies, what's going to happen with some of these other country sns. >> you could see the problem with the chinese, with trump's relationship with china. he began with this impulsive move. he took a call from the leader of taiwan and said, maybe i'll upgrade relations with taiwan. if there is a strategy, fine. the that is useful leverage. there was no strategy. it was impulse. the chinese leader said, i'm
freezing all contact with the united states until trump apologized and reverses himself. trump had to call xi jinping and reverse himself. why? because the original move had never been thought through. i worry about in a number of these cases accusing the british government on spying on you. has anyone thought this true and thought about the next time we need the cooperation of the british government. the british government said this is ridiculous, nonsense, pay no attention to it. i can't remember the last time the british government has said that about a white house position. >> thanks so much. a lot to look for. republicans leaders have set a date to vote on the bill to replace obamacare. what they have done to win over republicans who are still holding out. ♪
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vote for the health bill. 20 house republicans are planning to vote no or leaning that way, more than needed to block the bill, which explains all the arm-twisting going on behind closed doors. house speaker, paul ryan, says they are making good progress now that the original bill has been tweaked. >> we have a lot of yeses coming in. it is all coming together. >> reporter: tonight, from the white house -- >> it is going to be passed,ible, i think substantially and pretty quickly. >> reporter: to capitol hill. >> we have to have a bill that can pass. >> reporter: confidence in words and action over a new revised health care bill. >> the house will consider several critical pieces of the republican plan to repeal and replace obama care. >> republican leaders pushing ahead and setting the date for a full vote in the house on the tweaked bill thursday sdmchlt were we are trying to make sure we address as many of these concerns as possible without destroying the bill. >> several top gop aides tell cnn they believe the new
changing with the president's pushi pushing will cobble together enough votes. casting himself as the closer, president trump eager to display his dealmaking. >> all of these nos, or potential nos, are all yeses, every single person sitting in this room is now a yes. >> huddling with members of the conservative study committee in the oval office to hash out their serious doubts. >> we made certain changes and frankly little although the bloc grant is very important. i want the states to get the money and to run their program if they want to run it, because they can do it better than the federal government z membe. >> members emerging thinking they would be included. >> we stand united today to move this forward for the american people. >> reporter: the bill in its initial form was on life support
facing increasing opposition by the day. >> improvements are being made as we go through this process making sure we respect the fact that states can experiment and tailor medicaid to meet their needs. >> we have a plan that is getting more and more popular with the republican base, the conservative base and people generally. >> reporter: not everyone is satisfied yet, even despite today's tracks, some hard line conservatives, members of the house freedom caucus say they still oppose the bill. speaker ryan today stressing the urgency of the moment. >> if we do not see this moment in history tore what for what ie on us. >> sunlen joins us. these proposed changes and political strong arming doesn't seem to be getting republicans to fall in line? >> we see a little movement. congressman palmer, he was firmly in the no category leading into today but then he went over to the white house as part of the group that went over there this morning. after hearing these proposed
changes and tweaks, he announced he is a yes as it stands right now. it is unclear how many others will follow suit here because there is a considerable block of conservatives that are not happy with the changes and want to see more changes made. while you have a lot of members still disgruntled up here on capitol hill. you do have this confidence coming from the house republican leadership. frankly, they would not set a date to bring this bill to a full house vote if they weren't confident they could not wrangle the votes. interesting today, steve scalise, the house majority whip was talking to our reporters and says he believes these changes strengthen their numbers but he stopped way short of saying he believes he will be able to get to that magic number, 216. >> sunlen serfaty, thanks very much. next thursday, tom garrett of virginia, i spoke to him
earlier. >> congressman, i want to play for you what the president said a short time ago about closing the deal with some lawmakers on this bill. >> we met with 12 pretty much nos in congress. they went from all nos to all yeses. we have a lot of yeses coming in. it is all coming together. we are going to have great health care. it is going to be passed, i believe. i think substantially pretty quickly. it is coming together beautifully. >> the president was talking about his meeting with republican committee, not the freedom caucus. is that your understanding of what happened that the president was able to turn 12 pretty much nos to yeses? >> that's what we have been hearing throughout the day. i have heard from representatives of the administration and leadership. >> i want to be clear. we want to pass a bill. we want to pass the best bill we can pass and this bill will be sent over to the senate and come back changed. i don't see the impetus to try
to ram this through overnight. it is too important. the job is not to get it done quickly but to get it done right. myself and others are going to hold out until we get the best deal we can get. >> the president prescribed that the plan is coming together beautifully. is that your understanding to where this bill stands? >> in my opinion, they are not to the threshold they need to be at. the concession that is were made today are wonderful. i don't at any point question the good faith nature of republican leadership or the administration. it is my job as a conservative, as a guy who understand that is 20 trillion in debt outstrips that the annual gdp is unsustainable. tone sure we get a great health care plan but one that doesn't blow up our spending and that we can sustain for perpetuity in the future z what are the issues you are asking them to change as it stands now?
>> we talked about essentially rewarding overspending and states that opted into easy money with medicaid expansion. we are getting better. we talked about the largest entitlement program ever passed with the republican president and house and senate. some tweaks being made around the edges. i like the work requirement idea. i don't know why it is an optional work requirement. it is either good policy or not. i like the block granting idea. i don't know why it is an optional block granting policy but we are continuing to placate people na were fiscally irresponsible. we are moving in the right direction. this isn't about saying no for saying no sake. it is about holding out to get the best possible deal to send to the senate where we can negotiate on further. i am optimistic as well. i have a duty to do what i said i was going to do when i ran for office. that's to be fiscally responsible and look for market-based solutions sxwchlt their kevin mccarty announced on the floor today that the vote for the bill will happen next
week on thursday. what do you take from that? some are saying it means the house leadership knows they have the 216 votes to pass it? >> there is what you know and what i know and reality. if you watch, you will continue to see negotiations between thrifty and doctrinal conservative sort of federalist, constitutionalist types and others. if they are still negotiating, that will probably speak more loudly as to what they know as it relate toss a vote count. congressman, tom garrett, good to talk to you again. >> thank you and god bless. >> up next, a holocaust survivor gives her take on the bomb threats at jewish centers across america. her important message you won't want to miss when we continue. e for a taste that shines brighter.
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this week were reports of bomb threats against jewish community centers in four states, more than 80 targeted since january. unclear who is doing it. some of the threats by e-mail. others on the phone. thankfully no devices found but threats inciting fear and outrage, something a holocaust survivor hates to see in her
country. important message for all of us. >> scared to death. >> auditorium of teenagers listening to 100-year-old survivor of the nazi holocaust tell of unimaginable fear more than 70 years ago. >> nine minutes on the clock, 100 people were dead. >> students crowd around, wanting to say hello at washington's holocaust memorial museum. but now at 100, anti-semitism is back in fannie's life. >> you know that happened and now today you see things like the jcc. >> yeah. >> what do you think about that? >> gets me. >> more than 80 jewish community centers and schools across the country received bomb threats in wave of anti-semitism. >> two warnings about a bomb.
that's next door to where i live. >> explain to people what you think about all of this. >> i'm afraid to because i'm too honest. >> tell me. >> turns me. of all the places in the world. >> for elderly holocaust survivors, a struggle once again to understand why. >> why don't you stop it? if you don't have the authority today and america is still the biggest power in the world, so why don't we do anything about it? >> diane saltzman works with survivors at the museum. >> reaction you're seeing is refusing to give up. >> determination, and even some defiance that they're not going to stop. their message is really important. >> and fanny's life is testimony to that. when the nazis invaded belgium in 1940, had to send her
daughter into hiding. wouldn't see her for years. even now fanny says the decision to separate was unbearably hard. >> how do you put a child away? that's the only thing i had. >> she joined the resistance, hiding jews and working as a courier before she was exposed to the nazis and sent to auschwitz, surviving nazi medical torture, family eventually reunited and coming to america. today she and other survivors struggle to understand a simple question. why do people hate? >> i try to make people understand, you cannot love each other but you could understand others. you don't have to hate anybody. >> barbara starr, cnn, washington. >> what an amazing woman. we'll be right back.
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