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breaking news, day 13 of the wiretap dance, a report from the justice department that could bring it to a close. finally. this doj report, i understand we're learning new details? >> yeah, that's right. multiple sources are telling us, anderson, that the report that was submitted to congress earlier this afternoon, does not confirm what president trump and the white house have been saying for the past two weeks, that he was wiretapped under the orders of president barack obama. now, we are told that this report, which is a classified
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report, does not have actually any corroboration to what the president has been saying. as members were going in, they were very skeptical it would go anywhere near what president trump was saying. the republican chairman, devon nunez told me, quote, i don't think so that, this would actually confirm what president trump is saying. adam schiff, the top democrat on the committee, said he was, quote, absolutely confident there was nothing in this doj report to congress that would confirm what president trump has been saying. even his own justice department now is refuting the white house. what will the white house say? tonight, the justice department is not commenting on what they actually said to congress. >> but this was all presented in a classified setting. is there a possibility we may never know the contents of the
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full report? >> it is very possible. one air why that has caused frustration among some members. they don't know why this has to be classified. we are told that james comey is prepared to testify on the monday hearing before the house intelligence committee on this very issue. adam schiff telling me just yesterday that he believes from what his conversation is with comey, that he will publicly rebut what donald trump is saying. at the very least, we will get a sense from where the fbi director stands on this central issue. the question is what broader surveillance may have taken place from the obama administration. we may not get to the bottom of that. but perhaps on the central question that donald trump continues to raise, that he's been wiretapped by president obama or ordered by president obama, we appear to be getting closer to what the conclusion from the intelligence community is, that there's no evidence there. >> more now from the white house where they have presumably seen the doj report. where the president today essentially restated his original claim. jeff zeleny has that.
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>> reporter: president trump did not back down from his explosive and unproven claim that president obama wiretapped him at trump tower. >> as far as wiretapping, this past administration at least we have something in common perhaps. >> reporter: meeting with german chancellor, angela merkel, he referenced past reports where america ket's phone was tapped by the nsa. trump did not apologize to the british government for suggesting that british spies were behind the wiretapping. >> just to finish your question, we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. >> reporter: asked by a german reporter whether it was a mistake to blame the british spy agency, the president passed the buck to fox news legal analyst andrew napolitano, who first raised the possibility.
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>> i didn't make an opinion. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. so you shouldn't be talking to me, you should be talking to fox. okay? >> reporter: an hour later, fox news responded. >> fox news cannot confirm judge napolitano's commentary. fox news knows of no evidence of any kind that the now-president of the united states was surveilled at any time, in any way. full stop. >> reporter: the wiretapping claim escalated into an international incident after white house press secretary sean spicer defended the president thursday. from the white house podium, spicer repeated napolitano's suggestion that a british intelligence agency helped obama spy on trump. >> judge andrew napolitano made the following statement. "three intelligence sources have informed fox news that president obama went outside the chain of command, he didn't use the nsa, cia, fbi, department of justice, he uses gchq." >> reporter: that comment infuriated great britain, one of
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the most important u.s. allies. a spokesman for british prime minister theresa may said, we've made clear to the u.s. administration these claims are ridiculous and should be ignored. a senior administration official said earlier today spicer and national security adviser h.r. mcmaster offered what amounted to an apology to the british government. spicer disputed that saying the administration had no regrets. the question in all of this as the eighth week of the administration comes to an end, how has this damaged president trump's credibility? both here in washington and also around the world. that became clear when he was standing side by side with the german chancellor as she was trying to size him up, take a measure of him. they will be working together going forward. tonight, the relationship with britain, of all places, the most important and longest-standing ally of the u.s. certainly is in question. anderson? >> jeff, thanks very much. let's get the panel's take. cnn political commentator and
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former top white house adviser, david axlerod, carl bernstein, dabbles in journalism for several decades. former gop house committee chairman, mike rogers. david axlerod, you would think there would be sort of internal white house procedures that are supposed to be in place to ensure that the u.s. government doesn't offend its most important ally in such an off-handed way? that is system of checks essentially dormant right now? >> and in a white house that seems to be so assiduous about procedures, it's really shocking that such a thing could happen. look. every organization takes on the personality of the person on top. donald trump is an improvisational figure. he woke up two weeks ago, he tweeted something, apparently prompted by something that he saw or read and started this incredible brouhaha, knocked down now by every conceivable source.
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now, he is quoting someone on fox news who even fox news disclaims in creating an international incident. there has to be some sort of control but he has to be willing to be controlled. no one is going to stop him from doing what he wants to do if he feels like he succeeds by doing it. so far, he has gotten pretty far doing this. i would love to see them take his twitter account away from him. i think it would be good for the administration and good for the country. that's not going to happen. >> chairman rogers, how do you see this? it does seem like this administration has caused an unnecessary international incident with the british government. >> one if by sea, two if by sea and three by wiretap as it goes. i think he has just dumped a couple more quarters into the conspiracy meter on this. it is rational that the
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-- irrational to me that the president of the united states thinks this helped his cause on what is a big cur full. there is apparently a serious investigation that's going on that may actually lead to some kind of criminal action on somebody that served in the trump campaign, doesn't mean they were engaged in it, but i think that is probably likely to happen. dragging in the british who are some of our closest allies, our 5-i intelligence partners, including signal intelligence is a head-scratcher. my argument is they need to apply a little discipline in the white house. he needs to stop talking about this and be more concerned if our intelligence services are getting the kind of intelligence they should about what are the intentions in north korea as that whole situation is ramping up. instead we are talking about our british friends could be spying on the united states, including a presidential candidate. none of that makes sense.
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>> it reminds me of candidate trump. i said this the last hour. he used to retweet stuff and you would call him and he said, i didn't say it. i just retweeted it. he's saying, i didn't say this i just saw it on television. and sean spicer said it from the podium of the white house, which does give it some credence, you would think. >> anderson, this is donald trump's m.o., as we know, and it's quite purposeful. and the real story here, and it's time for the press to maybe change our coverage a bit and look at what the real story is here. particularly cable television. the real story is that the president of the united states is a compulsive liar. along with that, this compulsive lying is taking place at a time when mike rogers has just pointed out the most important fact of all, an fbi investigation that is closing in on some of donald trump's associates. we don't know what the results of that investigation will be. but those of us who have been following it closely and trying to learn about it know that it
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is accelerated, it is going to be a major piece of news regardless of what it finds. donald trump is trying to deflect us by making up these fabulous tales. we need to start covering this president and his line as a story unto itself. maybe we need an hour special on presidential lying. let's look at bill clinton and lewinski. let's look at richard nixon. let's look at presidents who have lied. but we are now in a space with this president of the united states where we have never been with a compulsive liar who uses untruth as a basic way of governance. >> david axelrod? >> well, i just wish carl would stop mincing words, i can't stand that. i think one thing we ought to ask is whatever investigation is going on, chances are donald trump has some sense of what it is and where it might lead. there is an element of strategy to this which is to try and
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sully the investigating agencies beforehand and to suggest there was some kind of political agenda, so if something does surface, you can say, ah-ha, you see, i've been telling you this all along. but there's tremendous collateral damage to such a strategy. not just in terms of our relationships with allies as has been pointed out. but yournl, he's completely degrading not only his own credibility, but his staff. sean spicer is someone i know and i like. has gone out and completely discredited himself and twisted himself into pretzels trying to justify the unjustifiable. the white house is like a fantasy island over there. everybody else in the world knows that what is being said isn't true. yet they keep digging and digging and digging. i think that's on the orders of the president of the united states. >> so he's ricardo montalban and sean spicer is herve? >> yes, he's tattoo. >> all right, okay.
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chairman rogers, the other way to look at this is if there was no collusion and there is no evidence of this at this point, there is no there there in terms of russian connections to anyone in the trump orbit during the campaign, and that would be a big victory for the white house and for president trump. but in the interim, even if that turns out to be the case, he's made so many missteps along the way. it raised questions to even some of his supporters about his credibility. >> i thought the biggest swing and a miss was they had the appointee, the director of national intelligence for the obama administration, who served for eight years, come out and said two important things. one, that there was no collusion. >> right. >> he would probably know that. he would know that. the second part of that was, there was no fisa warrant on anything related to the trump -- to mr. trump himself, the trump tower, or the campaign.
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>> right. and clapper said before he left that he had seen no evidence. >> that's right, it was clapper. that's what i was referring to. >> sorry. >> sorry, it was director clapper. he said it very definitively, which to me was the time for the president to say, there it is, it's done. let's move on we have other big important issues. a senior intelligence official in the obama, former obama administration, said nothing to see here, move along. but instead, he kind of doubled down on it. my guess is he saw something he didn't like. i'm going to guess it is incidental collection, meaning that given where one of the players in the trump administration, at least the campaign may, in fact, have been incidentally, you have heard that term used by the chairman of the house intelligence committee, incidentally collected, meaning that somebody probably did talk to the russian ambassador. it may or may not have been criminal at all. it was probably an incidental collection. if they made that phone call
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from trump tower, you can see where the president got a little confused and thought, well, they are tapping me. in a sense, that's not how it works. my whole argument to them is, if he does watch television, mr. president, please, please, please stop talking about this. there are so many more important things to move on and concern yourself with. >> if he does watch television, mike, i this he watches television. >> one other aspect is the smearing of barack obama. this goes along with the birtherism. this is the same person who has been doing this other kind of thing. in other president in our history has said the kinds of things about his predecessor that donald trump has now said about barack obama. a sick man, a bad man, he called him. it's extraordinary. all of this theater, and we have to look at this partly of theater, is of a piece. which is why i'm suggesting that the press has to find a new way to cover this. and look at what the real story is and what the threads are that run through it.
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that has to do with untruth. that also has to do with fry tog deflect attention from what mike rogers is talking about about this investigation. >> carl bernstein, mike rogers. david axelrod. thank you so much, have a good weekend. i appreciate you being with us tonight. just ahead, we spoke about great britain. it's not just the uk. we will look closer with the new president's relationship with america's most important ally and how germany's chancellor has gone to try to figure out donald trump. also new details on how an intruder got onto white house grounds. this is even more remarkable, stayed there undetected for more than 16 minutes. how did that happen? details ahead. doing next to nothing for days weekenders. even when a weekend's not enough, there's a hilton for you. book your break direct with and join the weeklong weekenders.
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>> reporter: a secret service source tells cnn video surveillance shows 26-year-old jonathan tran hopped a fence to the grounds at the northwest corner by the treasury building then crossed east executive aif. he jumped a gate year an unmanned guard post and walked along the driveway. tran set off several alarms but continued undetected. sources say some of the alarms may have failed. then tran moved around to the south side of the white house, through the first lady's garden. he went undetected on the south side grounds for more than 16 minutes before finally being caught at the entrance to the residence just below the president's bedroom. president trump was inside the residence. >> there were multiple failures of the security system. whether it was the physical security of the fencing, the technological security means, and the human capital means. this absolutely should not have happened. >> reporter: the source says tran was observed looming around pennsylvania avenue as early as 6:00 p.m., almost six hours before he was arrested.
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>> go back, everybody into the park! >> reporter: it's not the first time. this video showing a previous security breach in 2014 when a 42-year-old iraq war veteran armed with a knife made it all the way inside the white house into the east room before being tackled. just 29 seconds after he jumped the fence. the day after this most recent white house breach, the president praised the secret service. >> the secret service did a fantastic job. it was a troubled person. >> reporter: thursday, another security breach. an agent's laptop with trump tower floor plans and evacuation protocols taken from the agent's car thursday morning. near her home in brooklyn. also stolen, lapel pins used by on-duty agents. secret service says that laptop is encrypted. but that laptop can't be traced and it can't be erased remotely. as for that white house intruder, he was charged and he's now being monitored by federal authorities while wearing a gps tracking device. the secret service confirms there is a comprehensive
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investigation and adds, the men and women of the secret service are extremely angry and disappointed with how this all transpired. >> i'm sure. jess character thanks very much. joining us now in person is cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent jonathan wacro who we just heard from in the report. you said problems with cameras and obviously some of the personnel as well. 60 minutes just seems like -- >> forever. >> forever. >> 16 seconds is too long at the white house. 16 minutes is absolutely unacceptable. >> you would think anybody jumping any fence immediately it would trigger alarms? >> absolutely. that's the way the systems are set up. whenever you have a security system, you want overlapping forms of mitigation. regardless of whether it is in a government setting or a corporate setting, here you had physical barriers, the fence, technological surveillance and detection through alarms and you
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had your human capital, your uniform division officers, your physical policing force of the white house. they should overlap each other so you don't have one point of failure. unfortunately here we had three points of failure. physical security failed, technology failed, and human capital failed. to let this individual get that close to the white house -- >> by rattling the door in the porti portico, the south portico. >> anderson, it's unbelievable that this has happened. secret service has to take a look real fast at reinforcing the defensive posture at the white house. because we've seen right now that the status quo doesn't work. >> something like this then -- other people who have problems see it and think, i'm going to give it a try as well. you have no doubt there's going to be a talk about and review, this is a wake-up call? >> this is an absolute wake-up call. secretary kelly has gone to the white house and reviewed this. there's a bigger problem. the secret service doesn't have a director, they don't have an acting director. so there's a gap of leadership
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right now to steward the secret service through this time. >> the stealing of this encrypted laptop and also the badges, how big a deal is that? the laptop is heavily encrypted. >> it's heavily encrypted but any time that you have stolen property from any law enforcement officer, it's a big deal. now, this seems like it was a crime of opportunity. it doesn't seem like this was a targeted event. that's somewhat of an advantage. the hard drive is encrypted. there is a dual factor authentication that's needed, also an i.d. card. again, that's another layer of mitigation. the pins, those are a little bit disturbing. if they are the protected pins -- >> if they're up to date. >> if they're up to date, if they're the issued protected pins, that's a little bit worrisome. i know that's even more a concern right now than probably the laptop. >> the good news is they would at least know what pins they were and although they are not releasing that information, that would be something. >> that's a point of access control.
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the secret service can easily change that point of access control moving forward. >> jonathan, i appreciate you being with us. >> thanks a lot. just ahead, president trump and german chancellor angela merkel arriving at today's meeting with the backdrop of the iraqi relationship of the past few months. we'll look at that. fareed zakaria joins us. ♪ everyone deserves attention, whether you've saved a lot or just a little. at pnc investments, we believe you're more than just a number. so we provide personal financial advice for every retirement investor. like finding new ways to be taken care of. home, car, life insurance obviously, ohhh... but with added touches you can't get everywhere else, like claim free rewards... or safe driving bonus checks. oh yes....
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you see the moment today when president trump joked with german chancellor angela merkel as a gentle ice breaker or cutting remark or something else. it's clear the overall visit was aimed in part at mending the relationship between the two countries. >> translator: i've always said it's much, much better to talk to one another and not about one another. i think our conversation proved this mr. >> chancellor merkel is alluding to some of the comments candidate trump made about her during the campaign. more from cnn's tom foreman. >> reporter: even as the immigrant crisis was surging in europe, he said she was fantastic and probably the greatest leader in the world today. but as germany's angela merkel let more and more migrants into her country and "time" made her person of the year, donald trump tweeted, they picked the person who is ruining germany. >> i thought merkel was this great leader.
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what she's done in germany is insane. it's insane. merkel did a horrible job when she accepted so many. in germany they're going to have problems like you've never seen. they're having huge problems. >> reporter: during the campaign merkel largely kept her thoughts private. >> translator: i will not intervene at all during the u.s. american campaign. so we'll have to wait. >> reporter: when he won, she was magnanimous. >> translator: i offer close cooperation to the future president of the united states of america, donald trump. >> reporter: but the two now have many sharp differences. >> we're talking about the safety of our nation, the safety and security of our people. >> reporter: as he has tried to slap a travel ban on several muslim majority nations, she has argued the fight against terrorism -- >> translator: does in no way justify general suspicion of people of certain beliefs. >> reporter: he has applaud the
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great britain's vote to leave the european union. >> i think brexit is going to be a wonderful thing for your country. >> reporter: merkel has promised germany will stand firmly with europe and won't be pushed around in any trade deals. they've disagreed on syria, nato, russia, and trump appears in no way eager to give the chancellor a pass. >> who do you trust more if you'd talk to them, angela america ankle or vladimir putin? >> i start off trusting both. let's see how long that lasts. may not last long at all. >> reporter: merkel seems ready to at least give the new president some time. >> translator: even if there are differing opinions, compromises and possibilities are always best to be made when there is a respectable exchange. >> reporter: some close to merkel say she prepared extensively for this first meeting with trump, going over his speeches and reviewing his encounters with other leaders, even looking at an old interview in "playboy." all to make sure that she would understand his position and that
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he would understand hers. anderson? >> tom, thanks very much. joining us fareed zakaria, host of "fareed zakaria gps." germany is one of the most important relationships the u.s. has, along with great britain. both those relationships today are under strain, i guess you would say. >> there are two elements. one is that trump is almost pathologically impulsive. everything he does is spasmodic. he praises merkel to the skies when she is up. he kicks her when she is down. it is a momentum play as it were. part of it is that trump really doesn't get the atlantic alliance. ever since he was a real estate developer in the 1980s, he has been on this kick that nato is useless. all these allies should pay their way. he doesn't understand the achievement of the european countries that after 400 years of warfare have come together. he doesn't understand how important america was in creating that peaceful, prosperous europe.
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so that piece of it you can feel the kind of philosophical gap between merkel and him. merkel, when he got elected, she did say something nice. as tom pointed out. but she finished that statement by saying, but our partnership rests on shared values alone. meaning, if you don't share our values, there is no point in having an alliance with the united states. so i think that we're in an odd situation today, anderson, where the chancellor of germany has become the leader of the western liberal order. >> it's also interesting, their opinions on letting immigrants come into the country whether they are migrants or refugees. germany has let in as many as 1 million people. if we were talking about before -- many from syria, many war-torn areas, many without vetting. cursory vetting at best. >> almost none as far as we can tell with anything like the vetting -- american refugees,
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people need to understand, two years, 15 american government agencies, biometric i.d.s. the germans just let these people in. one has to say, who knows? things can go wrong. so far, what is striking is how few problems germany has had. >> relative to 1 million people coming in. >> 1 million people coming into a country, it's extraordinary. it's almost 1% of the population suddenly added in one year. all trump has to say is negative stuff about it. merkel is trying to deal with a catastrophe on her borders. which is these people were pouring in. >> these are the relationships which are supposed to be easy. you wonder, if this is happening with these countries who are our allies, what's going to happen with some of these other countries? >> you could see the problem with the chinese, with trump's relationship with china. again, he began with this impulsive move. he took a call from the leader of taiwan and said, maybe i'll upgrade relations with taiwan. and i said on this program,
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actually. if there's a strategy here, fine. that's a useful leverage. but of course there was no strategy. it was just impulse. and the chinese president said, i'm freezing all contact with the united states until trump essentially apologizes and reverses himself. trump had to call xi jinping and essentially reverse himself. it strikes me as a pretty humiliating cave. but why? because the original move had never been thought through. what i worry about is in a number of these cases, accusing the british government on spying on you. has anyone thought this true? has anyone thought about the next time we need the cooperation of the british government? the british government's response is in some ways more striking. the british government said of an official white house statement about that, they said, this is ridiculous, it's nonsense, pay no attention to it. i can't remember the last time the british government has said that about a white house position. >> it's extraordinary. fareed zakaria, thanks so much.
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the clock is running. republican leaders scheduled a house vote on the health care bill for thursday. they need 216 votes to pass it. as of tonight, 25 house republicans are planning to vote no or leaning that way, which is more than needed to block the bill, which explains all the arm-twisting that's going on behind closed doors. president trump certainly doing his part. house speaker paul ryan says they're making good progress now that the original bill has been tweaked. >> we have a lot of yeses coming in. it is all coming together. >> reporter: tonight, from the white house -- >> it's going to be passed, i believe. i think substantially, and pretty quickly. >> reporter: to capitol hill. >> we have to have a bill that can pass. that can do this. >> reporter: confidence in words and in action over a new revised health care bill. >> the house will consider several critical pieces of the republican plan to repeal and replace obama care. >> reporter: republican leaders pushing ahead and setting the
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date for a full vote in the house on the tweaked bill thursday. >> we're trying to make sure we address as many of these concerns as possible without destroying the bill. >> reporter: several top gop aides tell cnn they believe the new changes with the president's pushing will cobble together enough votes to get a majority and send it to the senate. >> i want everyone to know i'm 100% behind this. >> reporter: casting himself as the closer today, president trump eager to display his deal-making. >> all of these noes or potential noes are all yeses. every single person sitting in this room is now a yes. >> reporter: huddling with members of the conservative republican study committee in the oval office today. to hash out their serious doubts. >> we made certain changes and very frankly little, although the bloc grant is very important. because i want the states to get the money and to run their program if they want to run it, because they can do it better than the federal government. >> reporter: members emerging from that meeting confident
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their asks would be included in the final bill. >> you're looking at some of the top conservatives in the house. we stand united today to move this forward for the american people. >> reporter: the bill in its initial form was on life support facing increasing opposition by the day. >> improvements are being made as we go through this process, making sure we respect the fact that states can experiment and tailor medicaid to meet their needs. >> we have a plan that's getting more and more popular with the republican base, with the conservative base, and with people generally. >> reporter: not everyone is satisfied yet, even despite today's traction, some hardline conservatives, members of the house freedom caucus, say they still oppose the bill. speaker ryan today stressing the urgency of the moment. >> if we do not see this moment in history for what it is, shame on us. >> sunlen joins us. these proposed changes and the political strong-arming, does it seem to be getting republicans to fall in line? >> we see a little movement on
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capitol hill. there was at least one example. congressman palmer, he was firmly in the no category leading into today but then he went over to the white house as part of the group that went over there this morning. after hearing these proposed changes and tweaks, he announced he is a yes as it stands right now. it's unclear how many others though will follow suit here, because as we noted there is a significant bloc of conservatives up here on capitol hill who are just not happy with the changes. they want to see more changes made. many people within the house freedom caucus. but while you have a lot of members still disgruntled up here on capitol hill, you do have this confidence coming from the house republican leadership, because frankly they would not set a date to bring this bill to a full house vote if they weren't confident that they could not wrangle the votes. interesting today, steve scalise, the house majority whip was talking to our reporters and says he believes these changes definitely strengthen their numbers, but he stopped way short of saying that he believes
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he will be able to get to that magic number, 216. >> sunlen serfaty, thanks very much. one of the republicans yet to be convinced is congressman tom garrett of virginia. i spoke to him earlier. congressman, i want to play for you what the president said a short time ago about closing the deal with some lawmakers on this bill. let's play that. >> we met with 12 pretty much noes in congress. you saw that a little while ago. they weren't from all noes to all yeses. we have a lot of yeses coming in. it's all coming together. we're going to have great health care. it's going to be passed, i believe. i think substantially pretty quickly. it's coming together beautifully. >> the president was talking about his meeting with the republican study committee, not the freedom caucus which you're a member of, they're your colleagues, however. is that your understanding of what happened that the president was able to turn 12 pretty much noes to yeses? >> well, i mean, that's certainly what we've been hearing throughout the day. i've heard from representatives of the administration, leadership. i want to be clear, we want to
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pass a bill. we want to pass the best bill we can pass and this bill will be sent over to the senate and come back changed. i don't see the impetus to try to ram this through overnight. it's too important. as i think i've said the other night, the job is not to get it done quickly, the job is to get it done right. ideologically, myself and others are going to hold out until we get the best deal we think we can get. >> the president described the plan as coming together beautifully. is that your understanding to where the bill stands at this point, in your opinion? >> in my opinion, they are not to the threshold they need to be at. the concessions that were made today are wonderful. i don't at any point question the good-faith nature of republican leadership or the administration. but it's my job as a conservative, as a guy who understands $20 trillion in debt, debt that outstrips the annual gdp, is unsustainable. to ensure that we get a great health care plan but one that
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doesn't blow up our spending and one we can sustain for perpetuity into the future. >> what are the main issues you and your colleagues are asking the president, house and leadership to address in the bill as it stands now that would get you from a no to a yes? >> we talked about essentially rewarding overspending and rewarding states who opted into the easy money with medicaid expansion that we're getting better on that front. we talked about the largest entitlement program ever passed with a republican president, a republican house and senate. there are some tweaks being made around the edges to that end. i like the work requirement idea. i don't know why it's an optional work requirement idea. it's either good policy or it's not. i like the block granting idea. i don't know why it is an optional block granting policy other than we're continuing to placate people who were fiscally irresponsible. we are moving in the right direction. this isn't about saying no for saying no's sake. it's about holding out to get the best possible deal to send to the senate where we can negotiate on further. so, you know. i'm optimistic as well, i just
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have a duty to do what i said i was going to do when i ran for office, be fiscally responsible and look for market-based solutions. >> kevin mccarthy, the house majority leader, announced on the floor today that the vote for the bill will happen next week on thursday. what do you take from that? some people are saying it means the house leadership knows they have the 216 votes to pass it. >> well, i mean, ultimately there's what you know, there's what i know, then there's reality. so i think we're in a certain point, they may believe we're in another. i would wage fer you watch, you'll continue to see negotiations between thrifty and doctrinal conservative sort of federalist, constitutionalist types and others. and if they're still negotiating then that will probably speak more loudly than words as to what they know as it relates to a vote count. >> congressman garrett, good talking to you. >> thank you, good bless. a holocaust survivor gives her take to the bomb threats to jewish community centers across america. her important message you won't want to miss when we continue.
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♪ this week there were reports of bomb threats against jewish community centers in four states. more than 80 jcc facilities have been targeted since january. it's unclear who's doing it. some of the threats are made by e-mail. others on the phone. thankfully no devices have been found at any location.
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but the threats are certainly inciting fear and outrage. something a holocaust survivor here in the u.s. hates to see in her adopted country of the free and the brave. barbara starr has her incredible story and important message for all of us. >> we were scared to death. >> reporter: an auditorium of teenagers listening to 100-year-old fanny eisenberg a survivor of the nazi holocaust tel aviv unimaginable fear more than 70 years ago. >> nine minutes on the ground, 100 people were dead. >> reporter: the students crowd around, wanting to say hello at washington's holocaust memorial museum. but now at 100, anti-semitism is back in fanny's life. >> you know that happened and now today you see things like the jcc. >> yeah. >> what do you think about that? >> it kills me. >> reporter: more than 80 jewish
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community centers and schools across the country have received bomb threats in a wave of anti-semitism. >> the jcc, they got two warnings about a bomb. that's next door to where i live. >> explain to people what you think about all of this. >> i'm afraid to because i'm too honest. >> tell me. >> it hurts me. of all the places in the world. >> reporter: for elderly holocaust survivors a struggle once again to understand why. >> so where do you stop it? if you don't have the authority today and america is still the biggest power in the world, so why don't we do anything about it? >> reporter: diane saltzman works with survivors at the museum. >> the reaction you're seeing is refusing to give up. >> there's determination and
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even some defiance that they're not going to stop. their message is really important. >> reporter: and fanny aizenberg's life is testimony to that. when the nazis invaded belgium in 1940, she had to send her daughter josie-ann into hiding. she wouldn't see her for years. even now fanny says the decision to separate was unbearably hard. >> how do you put a child away? that's the only thing i had. >> reporter: she joined the resistance, hiding jews and working as a courier before she was exposed to the nazis and sent to auschwitz, surviving nazi medical torture, the family eventually reunited and coming to america. today she and other survivors struggle to understand a simple question. why do people hate? >> i try to make people understand, you cannot love each other but you could understand others.
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this sunday night on cnn don't miss our original series "finding jesus." you'll get a look at the site some believe to be the childhood home of jesus. here's a preview. >> isn't this exciting, though, to be able to think we are looking at such an important part of human history at this point? >> yes. >> it's possible that this house was the real deal because we have to remember mary was alive during much of the period of the early church. and would have passed down the memory of where these places were to the disciples who would
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then have venerated them and passed them down further. >> possible childhood home of jesus this sunday 9:00 p.m. eastern and pacific on "finding jesus" right here on cnn. thanks for watching. time to hand things over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. have a great weekend. just when you thought it couldn't get worse. the president turns his wiretapping accusations into an international incident. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. thank you for joining us. this is not politics as usual. let's be clear about that. it is not politics as usual for the president of the united states to accuse his predecessor of spying on him, which is exactly what president trump has done. it is not politics as usual for the president to double down, joking that he and german chancellor angela merkel have something in common, wiretapping. it is not politics as usual for the white house, the press secretary, to repeat allegations from fox news disavowed today by the very network, that very network, that