tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN March 19, 2017 9:00am-10:01am PDT
presidential persuasion. trump tries to make a deal on health care with reluctant republicans. >> these folks were nos and now every single one is a yes. >> can the president get his own party on board? the man behind the plan, department of health and human services secretary dr. tom price will be here live. and no joke. >> as far as wiretapping, this past administration at least we have something in common. >> the fbi director heads to congress to testify tomorrow, will he tell them that the
president's evidence free wiretapping allegation is a lie? plus travel ban battle. the president uses his own words against him. will the president push his case all the way to the supreme court? >> and the best political minds will be here with insights on what happens next. >> hello, i'm jake tapper in washington where the state of our union is currently on lockdown. secret service alarms have gone off twice in less than 24 hours. last night police arrested someone who drove up to the white house and claimed he had a bomb inside. this after another man jumped over the barricades on the white house grounds. president trump thankfully was not in any physical danger, he's
currently in mar-a-lago this weekend where he was spotted playing golf and gearing up for a very busy week in washington. it's clear that the fbi director believes the president's claims of wiretapping to be false and it is anticipated that he will state that before the whole world tomorrow. it will be a busy week, on tuesday, senators begin their questioning of james gorsuch, president trump's supreme court pick. what is in this supreme court bill and can it pass? dr. price, thanks so much for joining us this morning. >> thanks, jake, wonderful to be with you this morning. >> let's talk about this promise about what president trump said this bill would be. he seemed to be pretty clear to "the washington post" in january. he said, quote, we are going to have insurance for everybody. and he told cbs the following
during the campaign, take a listen. >> universal health care? >> i'm going to take care of everybody, i don't care if it costs me vote ors not. >> who's going to pay for it? >> the government's going to pay for it but we're going to say so much money on the other side. >> the nonpartisan congressional budget office and i know some have issues with it, but they said 24 million fewer americans will have health insurance under the plan. how do you justify to the millions of voters who believe president trump that there would be insurance for everyone when there are clearly is not going to be? >> the president is committed to us as am i and those in the accident of health and human services. this bill that's moving through congress right now is simply the first step in this process. the first steps includes not just this bill, but the measures that were able to be put in place, all those regulations and
rules that were put forth by the previous administration, many harmed patients and drove up coasts and we're going to look at every single one of them and keep the ones that help patients and drive down costs, if they hurt patients and drive up costs, we're going to do away with them. so the man in its entirety is the one that the president has assured the american people, every single american will have access to affordable coverage that works for them, not for government. and that's what we have in mind. >> there is a difference between access and insurance, and thereby according to the cbo and others, millions of americans who are not able to afford insurance, will not have it anymore. so when you talk about the goal being everyone having insurance, and president trump was clear that if they couldn't afford it, the government would pay for it. are you talking about after the
three steps? or longer down the road. >> what the congressional budget office looked at was simply this piece of legislation, which is not the plan in it's entirety. imagine, if you l a system that drives down costs for health care coverage. imagine a system that provides patients with an array of options, not something that the government dictates to them that they must purchase, they can see the doctor they want to see, they can go to the hospital they want to go to. those are the kinds of new things in a plan that we envision and parts one, two, and three will accomplish all of that, that's what the president's talking about. >> just to put a button on this, you're saying that after a third part of this, every american will have insurance. >> every american will have access to the kind of coverage they want? remember what the president talked about in his joint
session? we have got to make sure that those with preexisting illness and injury are covered, we need to make sure that the states have the kind of funding they need for that are vulnerable population, to make sure that we add tax credits for folks so that every single american has the feasibility to purchase coverage, to purchase across state lines, to make sure that we're driving down drug cost co. so the plan in its entirety is one that we believe will be strong, will be efficient, will make it so that every single american will have access to the kind of coverage they want, not that the government forces them to buy. >> i get the idea of access. he didn't say that everyone would have access to insurance, he said that everyone would have insurance. one of the reasons that the cbo projects there will be so many
uninsured, that this -- during his speech to the joint session of congress, president trump had this to say about medicate, take a listen. >> if you give our state governors the resources and flexibility they need with medicaid to make sure that no one is left out. >> no one is left out. but there are four republican governors, as i'm sure you know, case saying quote the current house bill does not meet this test, it provides no new flexibility for states, does not insure the resources necessary to make sure no one is left out and shifts significant new costs to states. these are republicans governors who are rejecting your plan, saying you're going to be leaving people out, not just not have access, but the medicaid
expansion will be ended and the resources will go away. >> i hate to sound like a broken record. but what they're looking at is not the plan, what they're looking at is this first piece of legislation. and as you and they know, they can't put together a plan to cover a plan for their vulnerable population in this first piece of legislation. so there's three legs of a stool plan. i have talked to countless governors including the four that signed that letter and talked about the flexibility they want and they desire to make certain that they put in a plan that's cares for their vulnerable population. they're for those kinds of things we're talking about in that administrative phase and the third phase where we're actually able to get to some of the reforms you're not able to get to in the first and the second. this isn't just about the process we got through here in washington, this is about
whether the american people are going to get the health care they need. right now many have health coverage, they've got an insurance card, but they sere not getting the care they need, because the prem miums are up, the -- that's not a program that's working for the american people, may work for government, may work for insurance, but it doesn't work for people. that's our goal is to put in place a system that actually works for the american people. >> but one of the things that critics are saying, including republican critics, is that premiums are going do go down for younger americans, but they're going to go up significantly for americans that are between 50 and 64 and they're not going to get the same kind of compensation from the government in terms of the refundable tax credits that they were going to get from obamacare
stipends, and the governors are saying you're going to be taking away the money we need for this expansion. so when you say that americans are going to have more access to health insurance, that's not going to mean much to the people that can't afford it. >> we need to stop in washington measuring the success of programs by how much money we're putting into it. imagine a health care system that is better for patients, is more tailored to the patients that are actually using it and costs less, that's the kind of system that we envision, because it's actually possible if you put in place the kind of flexibilities and improvements that allows states s ts to decw to better care for their vulnerable population. if you look at the plan in it's entirety, it's one that will work better for states, better for patients, better for doctor
who are trying to provide the care. there are doctors who say i can't care for my patients in the way we believe to be most appropriate because of the rules and regulations and because of the stipulations and because of the costs that's been injected into the program. so imagine if you will, a plan that actually puts patients in -- a transition over a period of time to make sure that nobody falls through the cracks, that's the kind of plan we believe will work for the american people. >> you criticize the medicate program because one in three doctors don't take medicaid patients and the reason they don't is the reimbursement rate is so low, i don't know how you're going improve medicaid if you're taking money away from medicaid. and doctors are saying we're not getting paid enough, and you're
taking money away from it. >> if you drill down on it specifically, you can see where there are wonderful opportunities for improvement in the s the medicaid program actually covers four different groups in our population, seniors, the disabled, healthy moms and kids. the federal administration says you must have a plan for those healthy moms and kids that's exactly the same as the seniors and the disabled, that doesn't make sense to anybody who's looking at this. but the common american ordinary people say, well, that doesn't make any sense if you're caring for moms and kids in the same way you're caring for the disabled and the aged. imagine a system, if you will, that actually responds to the needs of those healthy moms and kids in a much more flexible and responsive manner. you can save huge amounts of money so that you've got greater resources to care for those who are aged and disabled.
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welcome back. tomorrow marks the first public hearings on whether president trump had any inappropriate contact with russians, especially those with u.s. intelligence during the campaign. the house intelligence at president trump's request is also looking into his claim that president obama wiretapped him at donald trump tower during the campaign. director comey will have to respond to that claim when he testifies before the house intelligence committee tomorrow. senator cotton, i'm sure you must be very jet lagged, thanks very much for joining us. fbi director comey scheduled to testify tomorrow before the house intelligence committee, asked to clear up this wild allegation by president trump that president obama wiretapped
donald trump tower. if james comey says there's no evidence of wiretapping, do you think that president trump needs to apologize to president obama? >> we'll see what director comey testifies about tomorrow. i do understand that documents were also delivered to the committee on friday by the department of justice and the fbi. like the house committee, the senate intelligence committee will review the specific claim. but i do think it's important that we look at the broader context here. as you said, the house committee hearing tomorrow is going to be in part about the unsubstantiated allegations of collusion between donald trump associates and russian intelligence. and we have two very high ranking obama intelligence officers who have disputed that claim, first jay clapper, and
michael morrell, who's the acting director of the cia and who endorsed hillary clinton, says there's no campfire, not even a little spark that there was collusion. i think that matters more to the american people. >> i don't know who you're referring to in terms of -- if there's no evidence at the end of the investigation to suggest it. but what i was asking you about was the allegations made by president trump, specifically that president obama wiretapped donald trump tower. you're on the senate intelligence committee, do you know of any evidence to support that allegation? >> jake, not that i've seen and not that i'm aware of. but as with all these claims, the senate intelligence committee will be taking them seriously and approaching them in a deliberate fashion to
review not only documents from the past year, but also taking testimony of several witnesses, but the house intelligence committee will be working tomorrow. the senate intelligence committee will be looking into it later this month. we have also had hearings on some of the allegations made publicly, and we'll continue to do so and i hope we can make as many of ow findings as public as possible. >> you've been very supportive of the bill to repeal and replace obamacare, you have warned that this bill could put the house majority republican bill at risk. you come from arkansas, which is one of the poorer states in the country, if you were designing the plan on your own, would you get rid of the medicaid expansion that brought coverage to many people in your state?
>> i consider tom price a good friend, he had a plan that's better than the house bill currently under consideration, the house bill could be improved, but it's about a 70% or 80% solution. the biggest part of this legislation is on the private insurance market. i simply think it's not going to work to bring down premiums for working arkansans and people across the country. we need to roll up our sleeves and working to fix those problems rather than trying to rush to some arbitrary deadline. >> so i understand that you think medicaid expansion needs to take place. but i spoke to governor hutchinson saying that this house bill, the obama care replacement that president trump and dr. price are pushing doesn't provide enough flexibility to governors and also doesn't provide enough
resources. in short, they're saying by removing the medicaid expansion that happened under obama care, that provided coverage to 150 million arkansans are going to take it away. >> i think the house bill can provide more discretion. but second there is an interaction between the medicaid parts of this bill and the private market parts of this bill. medicaid is a welfare program, it's primarily designed for the indigent elderly, the disabled, the blind and children, it's not designed for able-bodied adults. we want to get those people off of medicaid, into a job and into market based insurance. that's why i'm worried that the private market -- tens of thousands of people leave
medicaid every year, i want to make sure that the market insurance system is working for them so they can afford health insurance and get off of medicate. >> the u.s. military is likely to send up to 1,000 more troops into northern syria in the coming weeks as part of the fight against isis. you are a veteran and have served on the armed services committee. do you support sending these additional troops. >> jake, i'll review what general madison of central command has said, i don't think we should send arbitrary troop caps. we ought to look at our mission and the strategy necessary and the types of troops necessary to accomplish that mission. i will say on this trip to lebanon and now jordan and israel, one threat that i have heard is the threat that iran poses. one of the biggest questions is iran. and without iran and hezbollah and their interactions with
syria, there's no question that the islamic state would have risen to the power they have now. so we have to ultimately destroy the islamic state. but if we don't roll back iran games across the region, we're not going to have the stability that we should. >> i want to talk about the sexually explicit images of marines by marines. the pentagon is not moving quickly enough to investigate this matter, that they don't take the basic charge of sexual harassment and -- against women soldiers, women marines seriously enough, as a veteran, as a member of the armed services committee, do you agree with that concern? >> this behavior by marines and likely when the investigation expands is extremely disappointing. you don't need a law read to you as a young man or woman in our arm ed services to know that ths
kind of behave dwror sun acceptable. we had conversations earlier this week the -- they're moving forward as quickly as they can with the investigation. this information just recently came to light, so the investigation is still in its early stages, but i'm confident they're going to hold every marine accountable. we have a zero tolerance policy for in kind of behavior in our armed services. and every soldier, sailor, marine and airman knows better, whether or not they have a lawyer reading the law to them or not. >> do you know of any other instances of not just marines, but of sailors, soldiers, et cetera, doing so? or are you just supposing it probably is true. >> i don't know, jake, but based on the testimony we heard earlier this week and the briefings we receive, there's still a possibility. we're still in the very early stages, and it's unclear how
many of these are in active duty military, or how many are retired. we'll follow the in facts where they take us, but even one person participating in this kind of activity is too much and any young man or woman in our armed services knows better than that, can i tell you that from first hands experience. >> good luck over there, safe travels. coming up, president trump hits the roads to sell his obamacare alternative, but can the deal maker get this one done? >> the bill that i will ultimately sign, and that will be a bill where everybody's going to get into the room and we're going to get it done. it's beautiful. was it a hard place to get to? (laughs) it wasn't too bad.
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how is it going -- >> these are going to be negotiated. we will take care of our people, our i'm not signing it. just so you understand. >> possibly mixed messages from president trump who says he's 100% behind the bill, but also its up for negotiation, and maybe he won't sign it. could be his heart is not in the fight. we have our panel. thanks so much everyone for being here. how to interpret what president trump just said in that clip with tucker carlson with what tom price said earlier in the show. he's saying, president trump
granting the point that his voter also do worse under this bill, tom price obviously selling president trump's plan. >> marshall has been at the white house, and i have too, he's very engaged. he's very supportive of the idea of getting this repeal through. the first part of any conversation you have with him is how destructive obama care has been for our health care system. he's ready to listen to improvements, everything we have talked about. marsha and chairman walker got some improvements last week, but he's very supportive of getting this bill through. >> what do you think when you hear president trump talk? >> he had to satisfy the ask of the republican base, to try to push for this. >> the repeal? >> the repeal. >> the question becomes as he looks at the details, as many republicans are looking at, in terms of what it would mean in
terms of taking health care away from people, moore people, people that really need help, is this something that he's going to stand behind? and i wouldn't say that this bill is going to do that. obamacare has become more popular. it shouldn't be a partisan issue. >> one of the things that you have always told us that you like about president trump and clearly enough americans agree, is you know how he stands with issues, you know how he feels about issues, he says what he says. listen to president trump talking about whether or not health care should have been his first priority. this is just from the other day in your home state of tennessee. >> finally, i want to get to taxes, i want to cut the hell out of taxes, but, but before i can do that, i would have loved to have put it first. i'll be honest. >> he would have loved to have
put it first. he would love to be debating tax reform now and not health reform. >> but you take the thing that you promised and it was to repeal obamacare. we have a third of this country with one providers, and so you have to do this. a heavy lift? yes, do you need to sometimes hit the bad news and the heavy lift first? i think so. >> why do republicans say that the market is imploding? according to the cbo, and according to standard and poors, they say that. >> you can look at the escalation in the rates, you can look at the mandated benefits, what it is causing and you can look at who is going in and providing health care. i have met with my insurance
companies, what do they say? this insurance marketplace in the individual market, when you have a third of the counties in the country with only one provider willing to offer the product that is there, that is a problem. now the goal is to have everyone with access to affordable health care, the president understands that. you can go back to the blair house health care summit, february 25, 2010. we laid out a private sector approach. the democrats laid out a government approach. we tried theirs, it didn't work, let's do something differently. >> the reason that republican leadership and the reason that the president of the united states is saying that obamacare is in a death spiral is because the ceo of etna said this, by the way he made $17 million and the -- health care ceos where they can deduct income over $500,000.
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the people that win in this are the insurance companies. >> you have to look at what's happening right now in this marketplace. they can't afford to use it, and that's a false hope. that's the biggest complaint we get in our office, the insurance is so expensive, they can't afford it without a subsidy. out of the 9 million people who are in the marketplace, only 2 million buy it without a subsidy. and then it just breaks my heart to hear from people, they cannot afford it because their deductibles are $6,000, $10,000, $12,000. >> prediction for thursday, is this going to pass? >> not without improvements. >> all right, we're going to take a very quick break. >> will he dispute the president's wiretapping claim? that story next. for lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads... here... here... or here. today, there's another option. drug-free aleve direct therapy.
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as far as wiretapping in this administration, at least we have something in common parse. >> president trump saying that he might have something in common with an angela merkel. she was actually surveilled by the nsa during the obama administration. maybe that's what her expression was about. >> jen, you were the former communications director for president obama, i don't know if you have spoken with him recently, but i know there is no credible source that says this allegation is true. how is president obama taking this? >> i have dealt with him for years and he's dealt with a lot
worse than some unhinged tweets on a saturday morning. i think he's like many people, thinking what is this about, now we're starting to reach a place where the president of the united states, regardless of your political background is starting to be questioned and he's put that in place himself. i expect tomorrow when comey testifies, in will be put to rest. i don't think president obama is waiting for an apology. but i think we're wondering what this will do to president trump's credibility around the world. >> i think you and i agree that it would be great if we didn't have these tweets and we didn't have these conspiracy theories and we could talk about repeal and replace of obama care. do you ever say, please stop? do you ever say that to yourself? >> there are times that i think, this is not something i would have done. >> i'll take that as a yes.
>> i'm one of those, and maybe it's the southern in me. and i say maybe less is better. >> bless his heart. >> the senate is going into even -- i'm sure you would love to be only talking about policy this morning, and now we're talking about this apparently false conspiracy theory that president trump has put out there. does this concern you, people who want to talk about issues, the things that president trump can actually do for the american people? >> obviously we don't like distractions, because there's a lot of things we can do to get our economy going and deal with our debt. i just see this as something that congress is going to look into. i don't have access to the classified data, i don't know what president trump has seen, so hopefully, we can just keep this on the side, keep congress working on it, get obama care repealed, get some tax reform
and tax cuts going and get some of the regulations off the back of business. that's what the president's here for. and that's what we work on. >> the biggest problem with this is that the president of the united states lied. and, you know, we can beat around the bush and call it whatever we want to call it. but the president of the united states lied to the american public. and even more troubling than that, not only does he get his news from fox, but he also gets his foreign intelligence from fox. >> you're going a little bit far there. >> this is not me, this is what he said. >> we don't know. let's let the intel committee do their work and find out what the entire process is with russia. with all of this. >> but the question is simply -- >> were they tapping other people or listening to other people. let's let the intel committee do
their job and then let them opine on it and then let's have a discussion. people want to have -- >> president obama politicized every agency. nothing would surprise me. so i'm going to withhold judgment. >> would it surprise you if president obama committed an impeachable offense. >> when i look at what he's done around the world, what he's done with his administration to push a political agenda, there's not much that surprises me. >> politicizing agencies is exactly what president donald trump is doing, questioning what the justice department has done, which is exactly what he's doing in this case, and the root of the intelligence community -- let me finish -- over the course of time. i realize that's a republican talking point, but i don't think that's what we're seeing happen, what we have seen happen over the last few years. >> we have republican leaders
here at this table that refuse to call donald trump's lie a lie. this isn't the first time, donald trump came out and said -- >> his intel committee either were -- >> he's saying that -- >> either it was said improperly, and you apologize for that and then you move on. >> this is a distraction. we need to get on with the business of the country here. >> that's exactly right. people want to see delivery, the deliverables are getting obama care off the book. reforming the tax code, securing this nation, looking at retirement -- >> i understand that, but it's president trump that's doing this. he talked about it on friday, in front of angela merkel. >> and the american people would like to see congress and the white house, the administration working together to address the issues that focus on them. >> they would also like the president to tell the truth. he and the white house. >> all right, you guys can
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boys gave him a shoutout. but the rapper who trump once called a great guy and a really great friend. snoop dogg, you know you're in trouble. for this week's state of the cartoonian. >> this week president trump was attacked by a dog, but not an actual dog, it was snoop dogg. >> the hip-hop star released a video where a drawing that resembles president trump. he said that the rapper's career is failing and saying there's a double standard. of course in terms of that double standard, rocker ted nugent said several vile things about secretary clinton and president obama. >> a chicago communist raged
subhuman mongrel, barack hussein obama. >> and some saying his video went too far, that includes senator marco rubio, whom president trump once mocked. and senator ted cruz. >> i think it really is in poor taste to be making fun of murdering someone, and in particular, assassinating the president. >> the falling out is odd, not long ago the real estate mogul and the rapper appeared to be friends. trump on larry king show praised snoop. >> i regard him as a caring, compassionate loving guy. >> i agree with you 100%. >> and in 2011, snoop dropped zingers at the celebrity roast of the president.
>> i would say he wants to run for president and move on into the white house, and why not? it wouldn't be the first time he pushed a black family out of their home. but donald, you know i got love for you, man. >> but now snoop is in trump's doghouse, so we don't think he'll be inviting him to the white house to sip on gin and juice any time soon. thanks for spending your sunday morning with us, you can catch us here every sunday. i'm jake tapper in washington, fareed zakaria gps is next. have a great day.
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. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll begin with a crazy week in world affairs, the trump administration accused the obama administration of spying on trump tower. and angela merkel met with president trump, a man who once accused her of ruining germany. how did that go? then, president trump this week slashed budgets for agencies trying to tackle the global warming crisis. our last president