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. this is gps, the global public square. welcome to you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria. we'll begin with a crazy week in world affairs, the trump administration accused the obama administration of spying on trump tower. and angela merkel met with president trump, a man who once accused her of ruining germany. how did that go? then, president trump this week slashed budgets for agencies trying to tackle the global warming crisis. our last president obama's
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secretary, an mit physicist, what he thinks of the energy challenges we now face. also amal clooney is taking on isis, trying to fight the terrorists the best way she knows how, not with a gun or a bomb, but with a legal brief. >> this is a global threat and it deserves a global threat. and it needs a judicial one, not only on the battlefield. >> clooney describes the horrors of isis's crimes and how justice can be served. finally 75 years of world history told through cia maps, through central moscow, to central baghdad. but first, here's my take. we do not yet have the official agenda for next month's meeting at mar-a-lago between donald
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trump and xi jing pin, but it will begin with a handover. trump seems determined for america to retreat, opening a space that will eagerly be filled by the communist party of china. trump railed against china on the campaign trail, bellowing that it was raping the united states. he vowed to label it a currency manipulator on his first day in office. but in his actually first interaction with beijing, he caved. weeks after his election, trump speculated that he might upgrade relations with taiwan. in response, president xi, froze all contacts between beijing and washington on all issues, demanding that president trump reverse himself which is exactly what happened. the donald trump administration's vision for america's disengagement from the world is a god send from china. look at trump's proposed budget,
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which would cut spending on america's soft power, diplomacy and foreign aid and funding for global organizations by 28%. beijing bring contrast as quadrupled the budget of its foreign ministry just in the last decade. george washington university's david shambow estimates that's upward of $1.4 trillion. china's growing diplomatic strength matters, an asian head of government recently explained to me that at every regional conference, washington sends a couple of diplomats, whereas beijing sends dozens, the chinese are at every committee meeting and you are not, he said, and the result is that beijing is increasingly setting the environmental agenda. beijing has been trying to gain
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influence in that global body for years. it's increased its funding for the u.n. across the board and would likely be delighted to pick up the slack as america withdraws. of course in return for this, china will gain increased influence from key appointments to major shifts in policy throughout the u.n. system. the first major act of the trump administration was to withdraw the university from the trans pacific partnership, a treaty that would have opened up long closed economies like japan and vietnam but also would have created a bloc that could stand up to china's increasing domination of trade and economics in asia. with washington's withdrawal, even staunchly proamerican allies like australia are now hedging their bets, australian -- essentially turning a group that was meant to be a deterrent against china into an arm of chinese influence, one more gain for
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beijing. the trump administration does want a bigger military, but that has never been how china has sought to complete with u.s. power. chinese leaders have pointed out to me that this was the soviet strategy during the cold war, let washington waste money. trump's new national security advisor h.r. mcmaster, once remark ed that trying to fight russia tank for tank was -- the china seem to understand this. for more go to and read my "washington post" column this week. and let's get started. the white house had quite a week on the world stage, so
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let's get right to the discussion. richard haass is the, and anthony blinken now a cnn global affairs analyst. richard, let me ask you, you've been in these kinds of meetings before, angela merkel and donald trump seem to have sort of kissed and made up. but trump had mercilessly attacked her last year for her policy of letting refugees in. do you think that everything is all better now or do those tensions linger? >> i wouldn't say the tensions have all gone away, they have clearly got a very different fundamental view of trade. the president didn't mention the european union in his remarks, that's obviously central to germany's northern policy, they didn't really talk about russia,
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a little bit about ukraine, so we don't know how much of a meeting of minds there was. and this president for example is going to go ahead and continue the strengthening of nato. so i actually think there's a lot of questions out there. the one thing i like is perhaps some overlap, this issue of worker training, the german apprenticeship programs, this might be an interesting way to finesse the largest trade debate, of how do we make sure that workers can cope with new technology. and perhaps this can be a centerpiece of the g-20, which as you know the germans host this year. >> what did strike me about donald trump was that focus on worker training, apprenticeship. but the odd thing is that germany has all those programs and has maintained it's manufacturing not because it's
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maintained protectionism, but it has very intrusive government policy, high tax, what we would call socialized medicine in this country, which provides workers with a kind of base of insurance that allows them to move forward. >> i think that's exactly right. but if you put their personalities and profiles and policies into a computer, they would be about the last pair that would spit out. they couldn't be more different. and richard alluded to some of this. but when it comes to the most basic things, you now have chancellor merkel who seems to be the last champion of the international transparency, the rule of law, the institutions that back it, the values that back it and president trump who seems to be more in favor of something that approaches liberal democracy. so this is putting a positive gloss on things. but these are two very different people with two very different approaches.
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>> richard, when you think about where a meeting like this goes from here, shouldn't rex tillerson, the secretary of state have been there? i'm a little puzzled by the, just the sort of staffing of these kind of, these things to ensure that there would be follow-up and policies that are talked about by the two heads of government actually happened? >> yeah, someone said that about 80% to 90% of life is implementation, so what often happens after these meetings is often what happens in it. and often the sides turn out to agree on things. i don't quite understand, i'll be honest, fareed, why rex tillerson the new secretary of state the traveling, it's very hard for him to represent u.s. policy towards asia, because there isn't much u.s. policy towards asia. i think he would be wiser to stay home, focus on getting his building staffed up, which is
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essentially empty. protect the resources for the state department, diplomacy, foreign aid and the budget, which has been decimated and really develop his personal relationship with this president. at the end of the day, a secretary of state is only as effective as his relationship with the president. and there just isn't that type of closeness. >> if he had to go somewhere, asia is the right topic. >> if he's going to travel and not be at this meeting, this is the right place at the right time. and there is a looming crisis in asia, created by north korea's relentless attempts to get a ballistic missile that can reach the united states. over the last year, this effort to get a missile that can hit us with a nuclear war head has accelerated an they're getting closer to the day when that
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capability is put in the hands of a leader who acts at the very least impulsively and i rationally. so the question is what to do about it. and here, bringing the south korean and japanese allies together with china on some kind of united plan is exactly what needs to be done. hopefully that's what the secretary is working on. >> i have to ask both of you finally, this crazy situation with the accusations from the white house, toward the british government, the united states' closest ally since 1941, in which sean spicer said that essentially or implied that british intelligence was spying on trump tower. the brits then come forward and say, this is nonsense. what they're referring to as nonsense are the words of the white house press secretary. tony blinken can you ever remember anything like this happened? >> i can't, i think the words
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the brits use is rubbish. here's what happened, fareed, unfortunately, president trump seems to have become the leading consumer and purveyor of fake news, so he reads breitbart and other publications about the wiretapping by president obama and he puts it on his twitter feed, and then it turns out to be wrong. but they're incapable of acknowledging a mistake. so they just double down. but for the president to impugn our closest ally, is turning this into not only a domestic problem but an international one. what's so troubling about this is that it undermines the credibility of the president and the united states. who is going to listen to him or believe him when he continues to put out these false allegations? >> richard, the parta strikes me as also being a kind of sad
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degradation is, all these people from sean spicer to presumably, mcmaster, the national security adviser, tillerson, they all have to in some way pretend that these are all serious allegations or accusations. charles krauthammer said that there isn't a person in washington who believes that obama wiretapped trump, but they have to wait until some investigation shows something. >> it diminishes the president, it diminishes those around him. it ends up devaluing the most important currency a president has, which is his word, his credibility. it also ends up hurting our relationship with some of our most important partners, we already had the rough conversation with australia, we talked about germany before, now the british, we have gotten off terribly with mexico. and these are the relationships
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late this week, president trump released his 2018 budget. if congress passes the budget as delivered it would be -- the budget would cut the epa's funding by 31%. trump's proposal would take -- usiad and state according to "the washington post." it would also cut the state department's budget by almost 6%. that includes eliminating the departments that funds innovative energy technologies. the energy department is of course run by rick perry now. in a 2011 primary debate. perry couldn't even remember the name of the energy department when listing the departments he would eliminate if elected. my next guest was perry's predecessor as energy secretary. eric mones was instrumental in
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negotiating the iran nuclear deal and the paris climate agreement. you're a scientist, you've seen these models and these predictions, in the last few years, have you been more sure in the feeling that, yes, the data is now confirming all these predictions about climate change and about human activity causing climate change? >> the answer is yes, although i want to emphasize, it's not me, it's the entire scientific community that has over these last couple of decades gone to stronger and stronger statements about the impacts and the role of human activity to the police where today there's an overwhelming consensus as to human activity being a major driver of the climate changes we are seeing. it's not as though these are
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based upon some exotic model of millions of lines of commuter code you need to work through. the fundamentals are very, very basic, been known for a very long time, what has changed in the last century, is the rate at which we are omitting those greenhouse gases to the atmosphere and that is driving change at a rate that is much, much more rapid than the natural variations of climate that of course have been there for a millennia. >> so what do you make of, what is your concern about some of the things that the trump administration has been saying about coal, which is the dirtiest of all energy sources, about keystone pipelines. i mean how do you react to all these announcements we have been hearing that say we don't care about global warming, we need jobs first, we need to get energy production up. >> first of all, let me just say
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that some of the statements being made about the science, i must say by nonscientists are really disturbing, because as i said, the evidence is clearly there for taking prudent steps. i would not argue which the issue that different people, different people in office, may decide to take different pathways, different rates of change, et cetera. but not the fundamental signs. >> but the head of the epa, essentially contested the idea that it was human activity that was causing global warming. >> i was implicitly including him in my statements. these are anti-scientific statements, which in my view cut fundamentally into the core of our democracy. if we're not going to have fact-based discussions, it's very difficult to have an informed electorate and informed mans. >> one of the things that trump said during the campaign at several points is that we would
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withdraw the united states from the paris deal, the climate change treaty, what would that do? >> of course we'll wait and see how this actually develops, but obviously, i would think that would be a very bad idea. and let me say why and it was related to what it would do. number one, you know, every country in the world fundamentally has now committed to a low carbon future. there's no going back. one of my friends in industry would say you can't keep the waves off the beach. we are going to a low carbon future. a second point in paris, the paris agreement on carbon targets by definition was the end of the paris meeting, we should not forget the beginning of the paris meeting, at which technology innovation was put at the center of the solution to the climate change challenge. number three, the predictions, an arm of the world bank and the international energy agency, they are now saying that that
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technology innovation was going to be feeding into a multitrillion dollar market, global market for this technology. we would be foolish to have taken a lead role in getting the world to move on climate, to put innovation at its core and then walk away from that agenda. we will also suffer economic harm by not taking every advantage we can to be part of this multitrillion dollar global market. >> do you think rick perry is going to discover that the energy department should not be eliminated after all? >> he's already said he discovered that. in his confirmation hearing, i credit him, he took that off the table right up front in his opening statement, and he said, look, i know a lot more about the department now, it's amazing what they do. he retracted his statement and in fact subsequently now he's been in office, pretty short
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time, maybe 10 days or tso, rigt out of the box, strongly supporting the national laboratory system, the deal re major role in innovation and basically supporting research. i think he is certainly stating that he just wants to be a champion in that regard. >> secretary moniz, thank you. coming up, bogus bomb threats to jewish organizations, all of these anti-semitic acts seem to be on the upswing. why? when we come back. has been ranked number one for the 7th time in a row by rootmetrics. (man) hey, uh, what's rootmetrics? it's the nation's largest independent study and it ranked verizon #1 in call, text, data, speed and reliability. (woman) do they get a trophy? not that i know of. but you get unlimited done right. (man 2) why don't they get a trophy? (man 3) they should get something.
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now from "what in the world" segment. something sinister is going on in the united states right now, it is making america's jewish community very nervous and it should alarm all of us. >> reporter: police responding to a jewish community center after a bomb threat. >> reporter: hundreds of headstones destroyed in a jewish
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cemetery. >> 160 acts of anti-semitic vandalism. and then there are the 145 bomb threats against jewish organizations that they have counted already in 2017. why are we suddenly experiencing an increase of anti-semitism? if one looks at europe right now, many immigrants of arab origins harbor anti-semitic views, but what's new is the rise of right wing nativist parties which are growing in popularity, even after the hall ka holocaust, look at the country's third largest, whose leader demanded lists of hungarian
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jews. hungary one should point out, has fewer than 50,000 jews left in a population of 10 million. but america is different, right? well, yes. the pugh research center recently released a report that said americans express warm feelings towards jews giving them the highest rating of any religious group. but there's an increasing threat directed towards jews. there are some college student who is attack israel and by proxy dislike jews. i would add there are unfortunately arab and muslim americans who make that statement spurious connection as well. but there are some on the right which anti-semitic views as well. twisted populists and the paranoid and delusional.
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however, before we declare that violence towards jews is on the rise, oppenheimer says, we should discern what is new from what we are simply noticing for the first time. the uncomfortable view is that anti-semitism has always existed in the united states. according to the fbi, since 1996, the vast majority of religion based hate crimes in the united states, 65% on average have been directed toward jews. more so than any other religious group, but american jews are more nervous now than at any time in recent memory. many in the community do see the trump candidacy and his presidency as fanning the flames of intolerance and opening the door to more anti-semitic violence whether intentional or unintentional. they cite among other things trump's refusal to -- trump's flirtation with the alt right.
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and trump's failure to mention jewish victims in his statement by the president on international holocaust remembrance day. trump according to others, trump's reactions have added up to a narrative that has put the american jewish community understandably on edge. trump finally made some strongly worded statements condemning anti-semitic hatred. >> recent threats targeting jewish community centers and vandalism of jewish cemeteries as well as last week's shooting in kansas city, remind us that while we may be a nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning hate and evil in all of its very ugly forms. >> so are anti-semitic incidents on the rise since donald trump
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became president? or are we just paying more attention to them. we won't know for certain until the fbi releases it's 2016 hate crimes report in december. but we do know that other groups including mexicans and muslims are feeling under siege right now. next on gps, amal clooney, the international human rights lawyer will join me to talk about how she is fighting isis. two lines, a hundred dollars, all in, all unlimited. switch today. announcer: get on your feet for the nastiest bull in the state of texas. ♪
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i am speaking to you, the iraqi government, and to you, u.n. member states when i ask why? why is it that nothing has been done. killing isis on the battlefield is not enough. we must kill the idea behind isis by exposing it's brutality and bringing individual criminals to justice. >> that was international human rights attorney amal clooney talking to the u.n. about
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inaction around isis's war crimes. a member of a minority group in northern iraqi has born the brunt of much of it's says's brutality. she was kidnapped and raped by isis and held for weeks. amal clooney wants legal justice for what she calls in no uncertain terms a genocide. nadya, can you describe what happened to you? >> i am from the yizidi area. we heard about the crimes committed against christians and other minorities, but early morning on august 13, 2014, they attacked us. nearly 6,500 women and children from the yisidi were abducted
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and nearly 5,000 were killed that day. for eight months they separated us from our mothers and our sisters and our brothers and some of them were killed and others disappeared until now. i was taken with groups of unmarried girls and they took us all to rape us. they came not just to attack certain people, but they came for all yisidis, the situation was really horrible. they told girls, girls that were under age because isis considered that permissible under islamic law. >> amal. what made you take this case on? i mean, this is a horrible tragedy, but what do you hope to accomplish? >> what we hope to accomplish is bringing isis to justice. so we know that there's a military campaign going on where
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isis is being taken on on the battlefield, what we want is to see isis members also in a courtroom. and at the moment, that hasn't happened. so we haven't even a single prosecution against isis in a court anywhere in the world for the crimes committed against the yisidis for any international crimes. >> describe the extent of this, because this is not just the story of one person. >> what happened to nadya in a single day, she watched six of her brothers being marched off to be executed. her mother was marched off to be executed. nadya and other young girls were taken by isis, raped by one after another, traded and bought by isis militants and her nephew, was one of the young boys who became what they call a cover for the caliphate.
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and what happened to her and her family happened to many young girls in 2014. there are still some 6,000 members of yisidi who are still being held. i wanted to try to help nadya and people like her to try and bring isis to justice and one of the ways we're trying to do that is to convince the security council to set up an investigation and start collecting information in iraq on these crimes. >> coming up, i ask amal clooney for advice to those who say it's their civil war, why should the rest of us get involved. she will explain. because she knows that the most comforting thing about comfort food, is who you're sharing it with. marie callender's. it's time to savor.
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and we are back here on gps with the international human
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rights lawyer amal clooney and her client nadya marad who was kidnapped by isis, raped by many members of the terror group and held prisoner for weeks. one thing you might hear is this is sectarianism, civil war, why should the west, why should america get involved, pick sides. people have almost a sort of fatigue from hearing about all this. >> i think if there's one conflict that america and the western world is worried about, it's the one involving isis. i mean isis is not a local threat, it's a global threat. we know they have carried out attacks in more than 30 countries, and obviously inside the heart of europe and there's a threat in the u.s. too. so my message to the u.n. was this is a global threat it needs a global response, and part of that response needs to be a
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judicial one, it needs to be not only on the battlefield. you can't defeat isis only on the battlefield alone because you have to make a dent in recruiting and showing that it's not a holy war and showing what they're really doing to children, to women is one way to help that. i think isis 2.0, whatever comes after mosul and after this military campaign, for people to know that if they do commit crimes, there's a very good chance they'll go to prison. as a movement, isis is leaving a trail of evidence and nobody's collecting it. isis militants send nadya militants on what ee's app on tr phone and they don't disguise their numbers. they have set up committees, they have set up courts, there's documents, there are mass graves and nobody's actually collecting
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this evidence and if it gets lost that means we can never have trial and never have convictions. >> i am struck by your demand is not that the u.s. raise an army, you're just asking for collection of evidence for prosecution. >> why, is the question i posed to the iraqi government, very directly and to the u.n. member states because iraq has actually indicated in many public statements through its northern minister, that it's open to an international investigation and has shown an openness to international trials as well. the iraqi ambassador said for those more senior members of isis, like baghdadi, and others, they are saying that they simply need to send a one page letter to the security council saying please establish an investigation.
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there's already a document drafted, the u.n. has taken the lead in drafting this and if iraq just sends a letter there will be a vote and in all of my conversations with the russian ambassador and the united states ambassador and others, it seems that there's actually broad this should move forward. it's in line with the council's interests because they're going after isis. >> let me ask about those who think international law is meaningless. that these cases won't actually be prosecuted and people won't actually be tried. what do you see as the value as somebody who's devoted their life to it? >> i understand the cosmetic simple because some of -- skepticism because some of the most grave conflicts in the world are not being acted upon. and you see that president assad is still doing fine in syria. you see president bashir who was the subject of icc action hasn't been arrested. i understand that there are limitations. at the same time, we have examples of international
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justice, and sometimes it takes some time. you know, it took 13 years to arrest the bosnian serb leader. he is being convicted and is serving a 40-year sentence in the hague. the khmer rouge trials are going on now decades after those crimes. i hope we won't have to wait that long. we shouldn't have to wait that long. the system is supposed to have evolved so that you can have prosecutions when the crimes happen. you know, if we have to be patient, then we will. i think we're not going to give up until we see progress. >> nadia, is there something that you want to say finally to the world? >> i ask a lot of them, the iraqi government and the u.n. to establish an investigation and give all the victims of isis the
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justice they deserve because really we want to bring isis to justice. >> do you wonder why it's taking so long? >> translator: it is taking a long time because the process of genocide cases is usually lengthy, but even though it is taking a long time, we have hope that they will bring isis to justice. sometimes i feel maybe if i can speak english, maybe the u.n., they can understand what i -- we want. i can't. >> we can hear you no matter what language you speak. thank you, nadia. don't fret, my friend. i masterpassed it!
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over the past few years a sharp increase in oil and gas extraction in the u.s. has triggered a decline in oil prices worldwide. the don in crude prices has the drop in crude prices has caused problems for many oil exporting countries which brings me to my question of the week. what oil-rich country has chewed through 40% of its cash reserves in just four years? angola, norway, venezuela, or algeria? stay tuned, and we'll tell you the correct answer. this week's book of the week is something different. adam piore's "the body builders." "inside the science of the engineered human." this is a mind-blowing book about the human body.
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we are inside the technological revolution of fixing limbs and enhancing the strength of the human body through engineering, bioengineering. he's pointing us to a future in which we will have have the ability to be superman or superwoman. fascinating. now for the last look. the cia recently celebrated the 75th anniversary of its cartography center by posting dozens of previously classified maps online. they tell a visual tale of modern american foreign policy. in 1942, a map of the eastern front, in the 1950s a map of railroad construction in community china. in '62, the locations of surface-to-air missile activity in cuba. in '79, the ethnic divisions of afghanistan as the soviet union invaded. there's a map of key locations in moscow and in bosnia in the 1990s.
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in 2003, a detailed map of baghdad that bears the note not to be used for targeting. in some ways this shows the world has changed. take look at this 1950 map of colonial power in africa, for instance. in a world long before google earth, the cia recognized the vital contributions these maps and geography provide. in one map, there was a handwritten note, "to our cartographers who have always been a star in the agency's crown." the correct answer to the question of the week is d. earlier this month, the algerian prime minister announced the country's foreign reserves stand at $112 billion down from a peak of $192 billion in 2013. hydrocarbons account for over 90% of the algeria's exports. it's worth remembering that algeria once had a rising tide
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of islamic fundamentalism and medical edens. -- and militancy. i wonder if an economic crisis would reawaken some of those forces. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i'll see you next week. hello, everyone. thank you very much for joining me on this sunday. i'm fredricka whitfield. president trump entering a pivotal week and facing questions on several fronts. it starts tomorrow on capitol hill. the fbi chief james comey testifies before congress. the focus -- the trump campaign's possible ties with russia during the election. and the president's unfounded claims that he was wiretapped by president obama. this morning, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are rejecting those claims. >> was there a physical wiretap of trump