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>>. we'll be here again tomorrow night, the confirmation hearing for neil gorsuch continue tomorrow. we'll bring you that, just part of the very big week here in washington, d.c., already, quite a day and night. it continues now with my friend don lemon on cnn tonight. breaking news, on the worst day so far of the trump administration, the president hits the campaign trail. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. stunning recommendations on capitol hill tonight. the bureau is investigating the trump campaign and whether it coordinated with the kremlin's efforts to change the outcome of the election. president trump's response? nothing.
he completely ignores the fbi investigation threatening his administration. >> let's get to the biggest bombshell just today. listen. >> i have been authorized by the department of justice to confirm that the fbi as part of our counter intelligence mission is investigating the russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the trump campaign and the russian government. and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russia's efforts. as with any counter intelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed. >> this is not politics as ush. we've said that before, and we're going to keep saying it, it is not politics as usual for the fbi to investigate a
presidential campaign for possible ties to a foreign government. it is not politics as usual for that investigation to go on for eight months with no end in sight. and it's definitely not politics as usual for the fbi director to publicly state the bureau is investigating whether any crimes were committed by anyone associated with the trump campaign. none of it is politics as usual. >> let's discuss now, let's bring in our chief political correspondent dana bash. rick santorum. jason miller, a former trump senior communications adviser. counter terrorism analyst. good evening to all of you, thank you for coming on. dana, you first. i want you to respond on what we heard from president trump tonight. this is one of those things we should not just pretend is business as usual. what did we learn? >> well, we learned that the fbi
is and has been investigating the trump -- the then trump campaign, trump associates. and whether or not there was any involvement with regard to russian interference with the u.s. election. and that has been going on. and i'm sure robbie is going to do a big gulp right now since july. that is incredible that the fbi director said this on the record in public testimony on capitol hill. what was -- i think even more incredible, that we learned today, definitively, not just from the fbi director, but he said that he's also speaking for the trump justice department. is that the president of the united states, when he tweeted 16 days ago, that his predecessor wiretapped trump tower was not correct, that he was wrong. and "don't remember in modern
times, that kind of testimony from the fbi director about a sitting president, just basically flat out saying that he is wrong. >> yeah. >> she brought you up, robbie, let's go to you, now. what's your reaction to hearing comey saying this trump/russia investigation has been going on since july, knowing he was willing to weigh-in on the clinton investigation during the campaign, but not disclose this? >> i think it underscores why the director throughout this process of all of these investigations should have followed protocol, and it's not to talk about these things. i'm glad that after having taken the unprecedented step of issuing that letter of secretary clinton, 10 days before the election, finally months later, he's coming forth to reveal that they have been investigating trump as well. and look, these are very serious accusations, the idea that as you said, they have been looking at whether the question of trump associates were coordinating with russia for so long, i think
it raises a red flag, i'll tell you what i was also concerned about today. was how i didn't see a single member, republican member of that committee raise up their hand and ask probing questions about what might have happened here, this isn't a partisan issue, this is going to happen again, the russians are going to hack other candidates. it's going to be a republican, a democrat, this is going to hit us all. i'm concerned that the republicans continue to make this partisan and try to raise more questions rather than find any answers to make sure this never happens again. >> and senator santorum, i'm wondering if that's what you saw, it was almost like two hearings today, we should investigate the leaks much the other side saying, hey, what about what the investigation is supposed to be about, and whether there were ties between russia and the trump campaign. is that what you saw? do you agree with what robbie said? >> i would agree it was partisan on both sides. clearly the democrats were trying to create this narrative, knowing full well that jim comey wasn't going to respond to any
of their questions about the details of what they're investigating. they could have asked questions about, you know, what they were concerned about the russians doing as opposed to trying to get somebody implicated in the crime, but that didn't seem to be of interest to either side, which somewhat surprised me. the bottom line is, this was a bad day for donald trump, no question about it, on many fronts, but it also -- it's a day where we have a little more clarity, the fact that this investigation is underway is now out there, as you saw at the end of the testimony, both devin yunos and trey gouddy were saying, it's time to get this investigation accelerated. i think there's going to be a lot of pressure to finish the investigation, number two, importantly, to announce that the investigation is completed. >> okay. >> something that the fbi
doesn't always do. >> i'm surprised, because as i'm looking at the skrafrn, jason, you're shaking your head no when rick santorum says, this is a bad day for the president. you don't think this was a bad day for the president? the fbi director, the head of the nsa and the justice department came out saying, this president has basically lied about the trump -- i mean, the obama administration, or president obama wiretapping him. you think it was a good day for the president? >> i think this was a bad day for the fbi and probably a bad day for the state of politics in washington. i think a lot of people are watching at home, probably take a look at what was happening today and said, both sides are screaming and all we have are these baseless allegations about russian collusion. i mean, the fact of the matter is, vad mere putin wasn't out walking precincts in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. it was blue collar union workers democrat in this race, they he -
wanted to go with president trump. >> jason -- >> hold on. >> let's take the politicians out of it. let's look at the head of the nsa, the head of the fbi, who said, also the justice department said, i bring this to you from the justice department. and so you're talking about, of course, it's politics as usual in washington. it's going to be partisan, that's what they do. >> they have zero evidence of collusion. >> the fact that dana said, he laid out that there is an ongoing investigation, that's been happening since july, that the president has no proof to back up the claims that he has about obama wiretapping him, you say that's all well and good, that's a good day. i don't think anyone who is in the sound of our voice is understanding what you're saying. >> the point that i was making was to go and have this hearing today, but not have the list of the unmasked names from the nsa, the fbi and cia was a travesty for this hearing. and also, to go and throw out this baseless allegation, saying
there was collusion between the campaign and foreign officials without putting out any evidence. >> do you remember who called for this investigation? >> he didn't say collusion. >> do you remember who called for congress to investigate this? 2 was the president. >> yeah, and we still didn't get the info that we asked for. we need to find out who those -- i feel bad for rob bring in this, i understand somewhat what it's like to have an allegation thrown out and then for them to walk away and leave this cloud there, i think too say that there's an investigation, but not put some kind of cap stone on it, for where it is or what the timing is, it throws a cloud over everything that we're trying to do in washington. i think it's irresponsible. >> phillip mud. that's jeffrey toobin, why are you laughing? >> he should announce today the results of the investigation, and how long it's going to take before he's done the investigation or knows how long it's going to take. this is an investigation.
it's very complicated to determine whether the trump campaign was including with the -- >> no, it's not. they haven't found anything in eight months. they haven't found anything. >> you have the attorney general just a couple weeks ago, lied about his contacts with the russian ambassador, you have this continuing pattern of trump officials -- mike flynn was just fired as national security adviser for lying about his relationship withes the russians. this is a developing investigation, where for some reason, people in the trump administration keep lying about their contacts with the russians. now, maybe it's just a huge coincidence, but as adam schiff pointed out, there are a heck of a lot of coincidences, where russia is helping the trump campaign. the trump campaign is helping russia, but we don't know if there's -- >> i'm glad you brought that up, jeffrey, we're going to hear from adam schiff. i have to get phillip mudd in
here, even on top of that, jason is saying, it was nothing, it's a bad day for am dids and republicans, the white house still refusing to back down on wiretapping claims. which include creating a diplomatic incident with the u.k. are they above national security? >> this is a bad day for the american people. think about national security. the president's team has suggested that one of our allies participated in an illegal act. unbelievable. the fbi director set up a series of months, maybe even a year, where he will conduct an investigation, where we have to as americans, have to wonder whether there's somebody in the white house who participated in inappropriate contacts with the russians. unbelievable. meanwhile, we have a president who suggested that the fbi participated in an illegal wiretap, illegally authorized by the former president of the united states into trump tower. i mean, this is not about democrats and republicans as someone who served both, this is about the service of someone in
the oval office, who misrepresented whether his predecessor committed something that was worse than watergate, and whether the congress of the united states has said something today that's profound, they did. they said two things. number one, the president fraudulently claimed that his predecessor committed a felony or worse. number two, he said that nothing significant happened today regarding allegations that members of his team contacted russian's inappropriately. this is a tough day for americans, it's not a partisan day. >> stand by, everyone. we have much more to talk about. it's an investigation that goes right to the heart of our democracy, a closer look at the relation allegations made against the interrupt campaign and russia at today's hearing.
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i don't know if you were at work today or you were busy, maybe you didn't see it. what we heard today at the house intelligence committee hearing was disturbing and stunning. how did we get here? why do intelligence agencies believe russia influenced our election. and why are they investigating russia and the trump campaign. the ranking member of the committee adam schiff lays out his time line and his opening statement. here it is, listen. >> the months of july and august 2016 appear to have been pivotal, it was at this time the
russians began using the information they had stolen, to help donald trump and harm hillary clinton, the question is, why? what was happening in july/august of last year and were u.s. persons involved? in early july, carter page, someone candidate trump id nighed as one of his security advisers, travels to moscow on a trip approved by the trump campaign. he gives a speech critical of the united states. for what he believes is a hypocritical focus on democratization. according to christopher steele, a former british intelligence officer, who has reportedly held in high regard by u.s. intelligence, russian sources tell him that page has had a secret meeting with igor
session. he's reported to be a former kgb agent and close friend of putins. according to steele's russian sources, he's offered brokerage fees. according to reuters, the sale of a 19.5% share later takes place, with unknown purchasers and unknown brokerage fees. also according to steele's russian sources, the campaign is offered documents damaging to hillary clinton, which the russians would publish through an outlet that gives them deny ability, like wikileaks. it would be in exchange for a trump policy that de-emphasizes russia place in ukraine. policies as recently as last week with angela merkel have now come to pass.
in the middle of july, paul m manafort attends the republican party convention. carter page back from moscow, also attends the convention, according to steele, it was man mannyfort who chose the republican party convention placement. it was j.d. gordon who approved page's trip to moscow, ambassador kislyak also meets with trump national campaign chair and now jeff sessions. sessions would later deny meeting with russian officials during his senate confirmation hearing. just prior to the convention,
the republican party platform is changed, removing a section that supports the provision of lethal defensive weapons to ukraine, an action that would be contrary to russian interests. manafort denyies altering the platform. it was removed at the insistence of the trump campaign. later in july, and after the convention, the first stolen e-mails detrimental to hillary clinton appear on wikileaks. he claims responsibility for hacking the dnc and giving the information to wikileaks. review the evidence of the hack,
and conclude with high certainty that it was the work of apt 28 and 29 who are known to be russian intelligence services the u.s. intelligence community confirms the documents were stolen by russian intelligence and louiser if 2 acted as a front. also in late july, candidate trump praises wikileaks and openly appeals to the russians to hack his opponent's e-mails, telling them they will be richly rewarded by the press. on august 8th, roger stone, a long time trump adviser boasts in a speech that he's communicated with assange and more documents would be coming, including an october surprise. in the middle of august, he also communicates with the russian cutout, gucifer 2. later in august, he does something truly remarkable many
he predicts that john podesta's personal e-mails will soon be published. he said trust me, it will soon be his time in the barrel. #crookedhillary. i have total confidence that wikileaks and my hero assange will educate the american people soon. payload coming he predicts and two days later, it does. wikileaks releases their first batch of podesta e-mails. it would then continue on a daily basis up until the election. on election day in november, donald trump wins. he appoints michael flynn to be his national security adviser. michael flynn has been paid by the kremlin's propaganda outfit rt in the past, as well as another russian entity. michael flynn has a secret conversation with ambassador
kislyak, about sanctions imposed by president obama over russia designed to help the hacking and the trump campaign. the vice president assures the country that no such conversation ever happened. the president is informed that flynn has lied and pence has misled the country. the president does nothing. two weeks later the press reveals that flynn has lied and the president is forced to fire mr. flynn. the president then praises the man who lied, mr. flynn and castigates the press for exposing the lie. now, is it possible that the removal of the ukraine provision from the gop platform was a coincidence? is it a coincidence that jeff sessions failed to sell the senate with his meetings with the russian ambassador. at a time when the u.s. election was under attack by the russians? is it a coincidence that michael flynn would lie about a conversation he had with the
same russian ambassador about the most pressing issue facing boast h both countries at the time they spoke. the u.s. in position of sanctions over russian hack can i of our election designed to help donald trump? is it a coincidence that the russian gas company sold a 19% share after former british intelligence officer steele was told by russian sources that carter page was offered fees on a deal of just that size? is it a coincidence that steele's russian sources also affirmed that russia had stolen documents hurtful to secretary clinton, it would later come to pass. is it a coincidence that roger stone predicted john podesta would be the victim of a hack. even before mr. poe december de was aware his e-mails would be exposed? is it possible that all of these events and reports are
completely unrelated. and nothing more than an entirely unhappy coincidence. yes, it is possible. but it is also possible, maybe more than possible that they are not coincidental, not disconnected, and not unrelated. and that the russians used the same techniques to corrupt u.s. persons that they employed in europe and elsewhere. we simply don't know. not yet. and we owe it to the country to find out. >> today's hearing, just the first step in answering 9 questions posed by those contacts by those coincidences, when we come back, i'm going to ask my panel, how many of those questions we can answer and will we get the truth? now it's good for us all. like introverts. extroverts. (cheering) and even bert. man you gotta' try this sandwich. who's just overt. oscar mayer deli fresh. so good! you foundi'm a robot! cars.com rawr yeti and found a place to service it, too.
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the incorrect photo of sergei kislyak. this is a correct image of him. you heard the house ranking member there, adam schiff laying it out today awful lot of smoke, when you are watching that, what are you thinking? >> just take a couple of them. others can take other ones, i'll take the resolution that supposedly the russians got out of the platform. the platform the republican party is much tougher on russia than the democratic platform. this is something that was proposed to go into the platform, and was taken out. why? donald trump is probably not just on russia, but much weaker than -- much less hawkish, much less dovish than we've had in a president in a long time. that was one of his appeals.
we are. tougher on the russians than the democratic platform, that's consistent to what donald trump ran on, not to be threatening. on the issue of roger stone and having information about john podesta's e-mails, i work -- i shouldn't say i work -- i'm on the board of a cyber security company, i talked to some of our analysts there, throughout the course of the fall campaign, i was getting information about what's out there on the dark web, that this is coming next, this is -- you know, this next dump is going to be this, this everyone this. that information was out there, it was available to a lot of people. if you're in this area of the world. the fact that roger stone may have gotten some information out of the dark web that turned out to be true. >> he did say his relationship with gucifer and calls assange his friend. part of the time i was watching that, i was thinking, i wonder what robbie is thinking, you lived that time line?
>>. >> honestly, i think what's frustrating about this entire situation, we're losing the forest through the trees here, there are two things that matter right now, there's a lot of evidence that trump aids could have been coordinating with the russian government. we should solve this quickly, they should be brought in, who they talked to, what they talked about, i'm still waiting for sessions to come in and explain why he didn't tell the truth to the committee that conducted his hearing. >> he did explain. >> secondly, we need to take action to make sure this never happens again. you consistently hear the republican party trying to obfuscate, throw out questions rather than get answers, they're next. any politician in american -- in national politics in the united states today, who thinks they can -- that they can speak the truth about russia, that they can speak up just like hillary clinton did, to defend human
rights, to speak out against the dictatorial actions of vladimir putin and not suffer the same consequences is making a mistake, and i think the entire republican party needs to take a deep breath and ask themselves, is this the right thing? for their own political futures to ignore this? it's coming for them soon, can i tell you that. >> jason is that -- do you get anything out of that? >> i think there's one thing that we can all agree on, that is that hacking of i? sort of is absolutely horrible. any attempts by any foreign government to meddle in u.s. elections is terrible. again, the fact of the matter is, there was no collusion between the trump campaign and between some foreign officials, that's just ridiculous, and i think robbie brought up the losing sign, the forest through the trees here. there's one other sign we should
pay attention to, so many people turning a blind eye to the leaking of the confidential material. >> don, i got to jump in here. >> not a single member of the house cared a lick about leaking, when last year -- when congressman gouddy led his benghazi investigation, nobody said anything about the string of leaks that came out of that committee. >> i'm sorry, i just don't buy this. >> so why -- >> to his point, why the come to jesus now? >> i'm sorry? >> jason, so why the come to jesus now then with leaking? >> the leaks -- you. >> heard the candidate on the campaign trail saying, i love wikileaks, go ahead and hack our e-mail and -- >> the president also said on the campaign trail that he hopes they catch whoever it was that did it, whether it's russians or somebody else. and that they're -- they should be prosecuted, and i believe that the president stands by that, as he should. going to the -- i think robbie's playing a little bit fast and loose with a the leaking here,
there's a very concerted intentional effort to leak confidential information to try to undermine this president. that is a crime, if you're doing it and you're caught, you should go to jail. this is very serious. >> i think if the congressman cares that much about this issue. his staff should come forward about the leaking that happened out of his committee. >> let me ask you this if we can agree on it, would you agree that anyone who is caught leaking confidential information should go to jail? would you agree with me on that? >> i think there are clear laws in place, and it is illegal to leak. what i'm pointing to, i find it incredibly rich that people like trey goudy in particular are so outraged about leaks now, but when their own staff perpetrated the same thing, they had nothing to say. this is not a partisan issue, this is not about the last election, donald trump, hillary clinton, this is about the russian state trying to intervene in our elections and tear down our democracy, we
should come together and resolve this, we should stop raising questions and trying toe nitpick and pull up this detail or that detail. something really rotten happened here. get the facts and do something about it. >> that includes the leaks? >> there's nothing new about leaking, it's as old as washington and politics. the interesting thing, though, that some of the people, and probably a number of them who were speaking out about leaking, have leaked information them sfs? >> look, the notion of leaking classified information is -- it happens, it has happened in republican administrations, in democratic administrations, by republicans, in and around washington and democrats as well. there's no question that it is problematic when it comes to sources and methods, that's the whole -- one of the main reasons why it is illegal to leak classified information. is because the intelligence
community wants to protect and phil can certainly talk more to this than i can, but to protect the sources of the information. let's just focus here on what the hearing should have been about, from the perspective of congress. the hearing should have been about from democrats and republicans about how did this happen? this being russia getting involved in, as james comey said dramatically, the most precious part of democracy, which is the electoral process, how did this happen and how do you stop it? i definitely agree with robbie on that point. i do also think the democrats in the committee today missed an opportunity to focus on that. also to ask the question of james comey about why the
hillary clinton campaign had to endure the public verification of investigation of her, whereas the trump campaign did not. even though we now know it's going back to july. that's not a partisan statement, it's just a fact where you have apples and oranges. >> jeffrey, i know you want to get in, you guys are going to be in the box ahead, do you mind waiting? i have to get to a break. >> no problem. >> don, you're the boss. >> you're the boss, i'm just the facilitator. robbie, thank you for coming on, i'll see you guys a little later. jeffrey and phillip will be back a little later on. just ahead, did the committee get what it was looking for today? i'll ask one of the members next. you're here to buy a car.
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the ahead of the fbi confirming the bureau is investigating the possible collusion between associates and the russian government. there's no evidence of wiretapping at trump tower. thank you, congressman, i watched you today, you had a busy day. we appreciate you coming on. do you feel you got the answers you were looking for today from director comey and director rogers? >> we did, and we were able to tell the american people about the powerful evidence of the deep personal political and financial ties between donald
trump and his team and russia, and the lingering question for so many weeks now has been whether those ties extended to working with the russians as they were attacking our democracy. and director comey confirmed there is an investigation into the president's campaign team as to whether they were doing that. >> you said powerful evidence. what's the powerful evidence in your case. they're saying so far, they don't see -- there's no evidence of collusion so far. >> that's not what director comey said, he said an investigation into coordination is taking place. he said with respect to counter intelligence investigations this is still very early, the evidence that we put forward showed that these were not merely coincidences, these were a number of individuals on his team who had ties to russia. you put that in perspective, never in the history of american elections, have we ever seen a candidate with so many ties to a foreign adversary, looked at in the best light, daze bad
judgment to be so close to a country that's not our friend. and looked at in a more skeptical light, these ties may have been converging with russia as they were attacking. >> i have to ask you, my colleague dana bash pointed out, do you kneel that you missed an opportunity to ask the fbi director why he would let on or acknowledge there was an investigation against hillary clinton's campaign and looking into his her e-mails and not acknowledge the trump investigation which started in july? >> we're living in the now, and we don't want to relitigate the past. donald trump is the president, there's no evidence any vote tallies were changed. the russians are sharpening their knives and intend to do this again. i think what has not been talked about enough, is other foreign adversaries with similar capabilities are looking at what the united states is going to
do, if we do nothing, and see republicans wanting this investigation to go away, and it to be only about leaks, they're going to see it as open season on u.s. elections, and we're going to see an erosion of the democracy that we all hold so sacred. >> roger stone and his connections to russia were mentioned several times at today's hearings, he's been slamming you on twitter. what do you think of his role here? would you like to see him and others connected to president trump testify? >> i'd rather talk to roger stone at a committee hearing than on twitter. i think any individuals like roger stone, michael flynn, anyone on donald trump's personal security team who travelled to moscow with the president, they would all be relevant witnesses and i hope they come forward. >> it's been a busy time for you, a long 24 hours. thank you for joining us on cnn, i appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> mike rodgers, a former chairman of the house intelligence committee. thank you for coming on, it's good to see you.
>> i want you to listen to the fbi director confirming the trump campaign's ties to the country. >> the fbi as part of our counter intelligence mission is investigating the russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the trump campaign and the russian government. and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russia's efforts. as with any counter intelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed. >> so you're the former chairman of the house intelligence committee, after hearing that from the fbi director, what would be your first question? >> well, first of all, i was a little astonished that they asked the department of justice if they could disclose an
ongoing investigation they concurred. if you recall, in the same committee hearing, one of the members asked, are you going to investigate the leaks? i can't talk about that, that is the standard fair for the fbi, i was a little taken aback that he confirmed there was an investigation. you know, you have to let this thing play out. obviously, at some point it went from a counter intelligence only investigation to an investigation of u.s. citizens, if they're looking at u.s. citizens for any possible criminal links or action, that's a very different investigation than something that would are intelligence related. i would expect the fbi to be looking at what russian activity, remember, the one thing we didn't do well, or didn't happen today on the committee, we never flushed out russian activity prior to this, they've been engaged in information operations for a very long time, before the russian federation, party of the soviet union, they're still doing it, doing it in european
elections, this is something that would have been great to expose. this investigation changed from that kind of an intelligence operation to what appeared to be the director said today to have some sort of criminal element. that's kind of a big change in this whole thing. >> in the commercial break, representative swallow told me, he thinks both sides were surprised, i should have asked him on the air, that was my mistake. both sides were surprised the fbi director would admit there was an ongoing investigation, were you surprised by that? >> i was. candidly again for that reason. i used to be an fbi agent. that was never done. just because the fbi is investigating doesn't mean there's a criminal activity that will come out at the other end of it, what you don't want to do, unfortunately, i did see one team on the field today trying to make a circumstantial case in the court of public opinion. that's always a dangerous thing. that's really why you don't want the fbi saying, i have an investigation on don lemon, may
never come to anything, but that damage is already done, i was very surprised. it tells me that if the department of justice agreed to it, and the fbi director talked about it, in an open hearing, that boy -- i think this thing went from a c.i. or a counter intelligence investigation to something different. don't know if they're going to find anything, but that to me is a big change. >> yeah, mike rodgers, thank you, always appreciate your insight. >> thanks, don president trump's refusing to back down on his claims that president obama spied on him, even though the fbi director says he has no evidence. do you have things yout to do before you retire? oh yeah sure... ok, like what? but i thought we were supposed to be talking about investing for retirement? we're absolutely doing that. but there's no law you can't make the most of today. what do you want to do? i'd really like to run with the bulls. wow. yea. hope you're fast. i am. get a portfolio that works for you now and as your needs change. investment management services from td ameritrade.
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back down on his wiretapping accusations and saying nothing about the house intelligence committee hearing. joining me now is brian fallin, a former press secretary for hillary clinton's campaign. we switched him out for robbie. because he's just as good. >> no one ever wants to say the president lied. but he lied about wiretapping, he lied about mass voter fraud. birtherism. how can he be credible at all now? >> well, i think you asked the right question, i'm so upset, we skipped over this in the past 30 minutes, let me give you three questions we're not addressing. number one, what is the federal government's responsibility in the next election cycle to protect a candidate? who asked that today? number two, as we go into the next 4, 6, 12 months, here's the question, not what happened with general flynn, the question is,
will the fbi indict somebody? i think the question can recover from general flynn, i think recovering from an indictment of somebody in his campaign will be difficult. we will see a tragedy, a national security traj by whether you like it or not. when the president tweets i know what happened here, we're going to escalate bombing in syria. people like me are going to say i need to see evidence. i would have believed president bush, president obama. but when you speak, i think we need proof. >> this is a little too fantastic, it sounds like way too many democrats are trying to hash out november 8th all over again. the fact of the matter is, they lost, and donald trump won. one thing real quick, a couple minutes ago, when you had the congressman on. he -- the allegation that the president has business ties somehow to russia, that's
actually a false factual assertion, not the case in anyway shape or form. that was a couple segments back, i didn't want to let an outlandish segment stand. >> i have to ask you, how do we know that for sure? >> because he said it, he said he doesn't have any of the business interests -- >> okay, but he also said there was wiretapping, mass voter fraud, his inaugural crowd sizes were bigger and the president was not born in the united states. those statements were not true, why should we believe him when he says he doesn't have ties to russia? wouldn't producing his tax returns show that? >> you're trying to pull in the whole tax issue. >> no, what you're telling me what the president says -- we're talking about the credibility. you're telling me what the president says, we should believe it. we're talking about credibility. he's said a number of things that are not factually correct, they're lies, they're not credible. why should we believe him? all i'm doing is asking you that. about his ties to russia, when he has produced no evidence of
no business ties? >> because he doesn't have any. and you're throwing that charge out there, and trying to -- >> i'm not saying he does. why should we believe him? >> you're trying to set up a scenario where trump people are trying to disprove something. there's nothing that's ever going to be presented to democrats to go and convince them. i think the president's doing a good job representing us on the international stage. at a certain point we have to tone it down, and i think some of this rhetoric is getting a little too fantastic. >> is this too fantastic. why should we believe the president when he hasn't told us the truth all the time? >> well, don, this was unquestionably one of the worst days of donald trump's presidency. how much of this problem is entirely of donald trump's own making. it's by virtue of his credibility problems that we have this hearing today. most of the smoke that exists, is by virtue of misstatements or
out right lies in some cases that have been told by donald trump and his associates who have forgotten meetings they've had, when it's been reported that the meetings took place, they offer benign explanations for what was discussed in those meetings, they have a habit of covering them up. >> on top of that you have donald trump suggesting that president obama directed wiretapping of him. he himself called for a congressional investigation. this is a republican chaired committee, the intelligence committee in both the senate and house is chaired by republicans. i can promise you on the week they were bringing out neil gorsuch and rolling him out, and trying to pass health care later this week, the last thing they wanted to do was have a hearing on this issue. >> i have to get rick in. rick, i mean, he did call for this investigation, which now turns out is not credible. we're talking about wiretapping at trump tower, let's talk about liz credibility.
republicans behind the scenes have concerns about this president? >> look, i mean i -- >> quickly if you can. the president tweeted out something that was wrong. does it have an impact? yes, it does. if you have an insurance policy, you can keep it. >> you have three, four, five in a row. >> one is a felony. >> i keep hearing one, everybody -- i'm not making excuses, the former president did say that, and it turned out not to be true, in the course of politics and you're a politician. you said some things that have turned out not to be true. to back to back when there is k- no -- there's absolutely no proof. that's all i'm saying. >> everyone keeps pointing to that one thing. do you have ten others i can put up against this current president in the first 45 days of a presidency? just complete factual errors, lies? that you can point to. >> he knew at the time it wasn't
true. >> that's really the question. >> you have others? >> i'm sure -- if you gave me a minute i'm sure i could think of others. that's not the point. i'm going to agree with you, the president going out there and tweeting these things that are not really backed up by a lot of facts. well, i read this, we expect more out of a president than just reporting to us that he read something, to repeat it out there and throw it out there for whatever reason he is it. the president is hopefully learning a lesson today, that that kind of activity is not going to be a good thing for him or his administration. as someone was saying, i didn't see who, this should be a great week for donald trump. gorsuch is going to knock it out of the park tomorrow. the house will pass a bill that moves health care along. this could be a great week for his administration, it got off on the wrong foot because of tweets that frankly should have been thought through before they were put out there. >> brian, i have ten seconds if
you want to say something else? >> do you want to respond to that? >> i agree with senator santorum, the thing that's going to be initing to watch now, at the conclusion of this hears, devin nunez was loathed to suggest he would go along with calling any further witnesses, he was asked, will you bring michael flynn up? will you bring carter page up? and he demured. democrats may start calling for an independent commission if he's going to balk at holding any further hearings after today. >> thank you all. bombshell revelations on capitol hill, this is cnn tonight. the trump white house under siege in the wake of james comey's testimony today. the director of the fbi says publicly the bureau is eight months deep into an investigation of any possible ties between the trump campaign and moscow. an investigation the director says includes whether any crimes were committed. he says, fbi agents