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you want to say something else? >> do you want to respond to that? >> i agree with senator santorum, the thing that's going to be initing to watch now, at the conclusion of this hears, devin nunez was loathed to suggest he would go along with calling any further witnesses, he was asked, will you bring michael flynn up? will you bring carter page up? and he demured. democrats may start calling for an independent commission if he's going to balk at holding any further hearings after today. >> thank you all. bombshell revelations on capitol hill, this is cnn tonight. the trump white house under siege in the wake of james comey's testimony today. the director of the fbi says publicly the bureau is eight months deep into an investigation of any possible ties between the trump campaign and moscow. an investigation the director says includes whether any crimes were committed. he says, fbi agents have found no evidence to corroborate the
claim by the president of the united states, that president obama, the former president spied on him. let's get right to pamela brown with more. pamela? >> it was certainly a remarkable day in washington with the bombshell announcement by fbi director james comey that the fbi is investigating possible coordination between trump campaign associates and russians during the election. and director comey even put himself at adds with the white house when he knocked down president trump's wiretap allegations. fbi director james comey wasting no time dropping this bombshell near the beginning of the hearing. >> the fbi as part of our counter intelligence mission is investigating the russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the trump campaign and the russian
government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russia's efforts. >> and in a rebuke to the president, comey said there is no evidence to support the president's claim that former president obama had wires tapped inside trump tower. >> i have no information that supports those tweets, we have looked carefully inside the fbi. the department of justice has asked me to share with you that the answer is the same for the department of justice and all its components. >> the head of the nsa also denying a report repeated by the white house that the obama administration asked british intelligence to spy on the trump campaign. >> did you ever request that your counterparts should wiretap mr. trump on behalf of president obama? >> no, sir, nor would i, that would be expressly against the construct of the agreement that's been in place for decades. >> republicans avoided asking about trump's wiretapping claimings, instead, focusing on whether laws were broken.
even insinuating former obama appointees could be the source of the leaks. >> do you know whether director clapper knew the name of the u.s. citizen that appeared in the washington post? >> i can't say in this forum. >> would director brennen have access to an unmasked citizen's name? >> in some circumstances, yes. >> from the beginning, laying out a circumstantial argument about what they believe transpired. >> it wasn't that they had a negative presence against secretary clinton, they also had a prostive presence for donald trump. correct? >> correct. >> mr. putin would like people who like him. >> comey tried to avoid going any further than what the
investigation has uncovered. >> i'm not going to talk about any particular person here today, so i'm not going to answer that. >> comey sought to explain the difference between today's testimony and when he spoke about the investigation into hillary clinton's use of a private server. >> some folks may want to make comparisons to past instances where the department of justice and the fbi have spoken about the details of some investigations. but please keep in mind that those involve the details of completed investigations. our ability to share details with the congress and the american people is limited when those investigations are still open, which i hope makes sense. >> during the hearing today, director comey says he doesn't know when the counter intelligence investigation will wrap up. one official i spoke to says these types of investigations can take a while, and some cases, it's even taken years, because intelligence isn't always black and white, and it's rarely conclusive.
d don? >> thank you. i appreciate that. now, i want to bring in matt lewis and alice stewart and douglas brinkley, the author of "heritage, fdr and the land of america." back with us, brian fallin, the former press secretary for hillary clinton's campaign. so good to have all of you on. michael, let's start with you. today the fbi director publicly confirmed for the first time that the fbi has been investigating links between the trump campaign and russia since july. here's what sean spicer had to say. >> following this testimony, it's clear that nothing has changed. senior obama intelligence officials have gone on record to confirm there's no evidence of a trump/russia collusion. the obama cia director said so, obama's director of national intelligence said so, and we take them at their word. >> nothing has changed, really? >> i think a lot has changed.
>> this was extraordinary to have the fbi director confirming publicly and on going counter intelligence investigation about whether the campaign of the sitting president was involved in coordination or kwlugs with a foreign power. now, among the many amazing revelations from comey today, is that this investigation was actually launched in late july. shortly after the republican convention ended, more than three months before election day. and none of that was known to the public. now, one can understand the fbi does not normally disclose sunshine investigations, but the fact that it was going on during the campaign is pretty stunning. >> right. >> also, i want to make one other point, comey only publicly said this, because he got
clearance from the justice department to say it, the guy at the justice dement who gave him the green light was the acting deputy attorney general, he is an obama holdover, that's only going to fuel the paranoia inside the white house about some sort of deep state that's aligned against him. but he is a guy -- these are all people working for the president of the united states. and we all agreed that this should be made public. >> we should not downplay this. what happened today, you're right. was extraordinary, and i see brian shaking his head in agreement with you, when you brought up that this happened in july, and you said that the fbi, they don't usually lead us on when dhar investigating, they did tell us they were investigating hillary clinton's e-mails, that did not come up today, so brian, why are you smaking your head? >> well, because i think it's remarkable that the voters went to the polls on november 8th and they only knew about one of two investigations that were going
on being led by the fbi at that point. it was only the investigation into hillary clinton's e-mails that was known to the public all those months. and i can sympathize to some extent with the trump white house and their allies which are saying, the effect of jim comey's announcement is going to have a gray cloud hang over their heads. that's exactly what happened to hillary clinton during the campaign, and it was none other than donald trump and his campaign that sought to leverage that and lead chants about rallies to lock her up. it's hard to have sympathy for the trump white house. >> did that put the clinton campaign at a disadvantage? >> i think the clinton campaign put the clinton campaign at a disadvantage. i know the democrats went out of their way to try to prove that russian interference or russian influence had something to do with the outcome of this election, that's not the case. hillary clinton lost because she didn't have the right message. she didn't campaign in the battleground states, and she spiked the football in the third
quarter, donald trump worked hard, he had the right message and played smart in the battleground states. and not the popular vote, at the end of the day, like it or not, he's the president of the united states that's the key here, i don't think anything the russians did with regard to their influence in this election, or interference had anything to do with the electoral college, if so, they're smarter than the clinton campaign, at the end of the day, donald trump won this election. >> that's going to be investigated. i read this quote from you, it says, the washington post, this is the most failed first 100 days of any president. i mean, that is a pretty harsh assessment, was today the worst of the administration? the trump administration? >> well, you have to go all the way back to civil war to find a time when a president can't get traction like this, i mean, donald trump is his even worst enemy, the big factor of today with comey, is that the fbi and
justice department saying he lied, he misled the american people about barack obama wiretapping him, that's a big revelation, that means that the trust of donald trump is deteriorating, it's not just about american politics, democrats and republicans, the whole world is watching this, great britain's been up in arms, we've had australia up in arms, china up in arms, everybody is furious at donald trump because of his constant misbehaving, he didn't learn from not sending the 6:00 a.m. tweets today, you had trump tweeting all day long, he's going to probably continue doing that in the coming weeks. the cloud is not going to go away. russia gate is here to stay for months and tarnished his first months in office. >> it does come out to a credibility problem as you can see. maybe not among his supporters, his job approval rating has dropped to 37%, it's lowest since he's taken office, and that's according to gallop, so
there is a credibility issue, there it is right there, when it am coulds to this presidency. >> that's before today, that 37 is before today, he may be down to 33 here in the next poll, and that's hard to govern when two thirds of the country doesn't buy your act right out of the gate. >> general clark, the white house points to statements made by the former acting cia director mike morrell who say that they have seen no evidence of collusion between trump associates and russia so far. could this be a lot of smoke but no fire? >> well, i think what we're going to have to wait for is the fbi investigation because what clapper and the others are saying is, they didn't see any evidence. but they didn't investigate it. you have a real intelligence investigation like the fbi is conducting, you're going to look at all the evidence, and that's the standard, not something that was said during the campaign in
an effort to try to maintain the legitimacy of the process, and not go into the details, they knew they couldn't get into those details. so the fbi is the right organization at this time. i would like to see a special prosecutor put in charge, because i think that gives the investigation added credibility. this is not really about the trump administration, this is really about russian interference and the american election system, and so i think democrats and republicans should unite on this, and make sure that we're going to get to the bottom of this, and we're not going to allow whether or not it happened and how it happened, we know there's a vulnerability here, what we don't know is, how big is the vulnerability, and what must be done to correct it? this investigation's going to point the way to the answers to some of those questions, and their vital questions for the future of this country. >> robbie made the same -- hillary clinton's campaign manager made the same point. let me bring you in, this is
from maggie haber man in new york. one adviser dismisses the mess and says, the only fight that matters is the one inside trump's head. that is between trump's instinct to never back down which is bumping into his fear of failure. what do you think of that? >> yeah, i think that's right, if you look at donald trump's m.o., it's attack, counter attack, and never apologize, look, i do think that there's a danger that we may be misinterpreting what's happening here. it's possible that there is some their there. there was some coordination, and donald trump is going to go down like richard nixon, i also think there's a chance the worst first 100 days or whatever, of any administration, i think the world has changed and i think it's a mistake for us to compare donald trump to normal presidents. even as recent as bill clinton.
i feel like there's -- this is a new world, this is a reality show now, there's -- the depth of outrage, i think a lot of average americans -- >> it sounds like you're making excuses. >> no, but if you know me. >> they're believing a lie. then they're believing a lie. if they're misinformed. you're making excuses for the evidence that's all there in place, the fbi director the head of the nsa, the justice department all came out today saying there was no information that there was any wiretapping. there's no information so far of any coordination, there's still investigation. they also said that this investigation has been going on since july. should we -- because someone -- i'm making up -- someone believes that people are out to get the president in light of all of this information, we should go, okay, fine, it doesn't matter? >> no, no, no, no, no, no.
i'm not making a value judgment or saying that everything that donald trump does is okay. what i'm saying is, i think that a lot of americans out there, they're looking at us like why are these people freaking out and hyperventilating. we're the problem. i'm doing analysis, i think we're out of touch with a lot of americans. >> who's hyperventilating? >> have you watched the last, i don't know how many hours of cable news today? >> i don't see people freaking out. >> there's a supreme court nominee -- >> here's the thing, and i have a question about that. >> a health care bill coming up thursday, we're focused 100% on russia. >> i have a question about in a, but no one is hyperventilating, i saw a very straightforward hearing, yes, there was partisanship from the politicians who were there. from the two gentlemen who were sitting there answering questions, i did not see any partisanship, i saw only facts. did not answer questions they could not answer. there was no hyperventilating,
especially from people on television, i've not seen that. i think people are incredulous in that -- >> this is the worst day in the -- >> first 100 days. >> it is a very bad period, when you look at the travel ban. >> how many bad days did donald trump have before he won the election? he had a lot of horrible worst days. >> that doesn't mean there's a fact that he did bad days, you're saying -- what you're saying now is alternative facts. >> if he goes to jail -- otherwise, i think we're probably a little overwrought. >> don -- >> go ahead. >> can i make a quick point? i think that until today there was some belief and some hope by republicans, people in the white house, that this issue was going to die down, there was no their there, you even had some people like mike morrell the former deputy cia director suggesting that maybe there was a lot of 1340ek and not fire.
then when you have the fbi director come out and say, this is an active investigation, that changes the cal cue house, and the real political impact of this, is doesn't go away, the issue doesn't fade. and even worse for the trump white house, fbi director comey made it clear that there's no timetable on this investigation. he's not going to give updates to congress, he can't say how long it's going to last. so this cloud -- which even republicans said is now hanging over the white house, is going to last for some time. perhaps for years. and that's -- >> general clark? >> there's a very easy way for the white house to get rid of the cloud, and that's simply lay it all out there. i think it starts with the tax returns, i think it starts with his business connections because of suspicions of russian involvement. he said he didn't have any, fine. lay it all out there.
and then have his own people come forward and talk about the campaign. and just -- he's going to be distracted anyway, it's gotten bad, if i were the president, i'd want to get all the facts out as soon as possible. i wouldn't want to wait on an fbi investigation. let's get the facts out and let's get america moving. >> don, can i -- >> that's what we expect of our president. >> alice, i need to take a break. quickly. >> i agree with the general, he should lay it all out there, he should release his tax returns, apologize, that's not going to happen. the american people are going to accept these tweets for what they're really concerned about, is the neil gorsuch. >> don't -- no, no, no, no, no, no. i think the american people -- his supporters are not the entirety of the american people, i think the american people for the most part -- i think a majority of them are -- finding this incredulous and are outraged by anyone who can accuse a former president of breaking a crime. of breaking the law with absolutely no proof, and then
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and it also overlaps into the legal part, it takes a long time and it's really hard. we're going to have to see where it all ends, but also from a counter intelligence perspective, though. there are so many data points that have gone down over the past really since the investigation began last year, i would be really surprised if there were absolutely no fire for the amount of smoke we've seen. >> what do you think of that, evan. do you think you wouldn't be surprised if there's absolutely no fire? >> i would be shocked if there season the a lot to discover in an investigation here. what we know is already shocking. i know it's been normalized, because we've been having these conversations about donald trump and russia, now for several months, during the campaign, during the -- before the inauguration, and since the inauguration. the reality is, that donald trump has had choice ties to russians. he had a campaign staffed full of a number of people who had
their own ties to russia, at a time when russia was attacking our democracy, it's a big big deal. this is a matter of strategic significance. much more significant than the day to day leak debate that we're having, that's -- leaks are a daily weekly issue, that is serious, and important that we have to confront. but when we talk about russia undermining our democracy, trying to influence it for one candidate or another. you're talking about a major strategic national security incident that we've got to get to the bottom of. >> i have to follow up with you, if you watch the hearings today, you would think there were two different hearings going on. someone tweeted -- the house is on fire. that the president is running around with matches, and republicans are wondering who called the fire department. did it seem that way to you? i thought that was a very good analogy when i read that. >> yes, sadly it is, i think what you saw today was some
extreme partisanship mostly on the part of republicans. they spent most of their time trying to talk about leaks. there was no evidence that voting machines were hacked. originally that allegation came from democrats, i can understand they wanted to collar phi that perhaps, no one's saying that now, we're way past that. right now, we need a bipartisan effort to investigate what actually happened, what did the russians do, and was there any involvement or knowledge by the trump campaign or trump associates. that's what we need to do. let me just say this, and i'll wrap it up, there's a moment here in which the american people need to be climbing a learning curve about what russia's doing to undermine democracy both here and in europe. this is a moment where we need our leaders to be out front, helping us understand -- helping the american public that doesn't follow this on a daily basis. what is happening? what are they doing, and
instead, we have this partisan back and forth that i think is doing a tremendous disservice to the american people. >> steve, i want to ask you, discuss something that happened during the hearing today, it's a russian concept called compramat brought up by representative castro at the comey hearing. listen to this. >> can you describe to the american people the russian concept of compramat. >> it's a technique they use to gather information on people that may be embarrassing or humiliating and using it to coerce cooperation. >> have you known instances where that has been successfully leveraged? >> yes, i believe our counter intelligence division has encountered it a number of times. >> does that include private places such as hotels that are wired for audio and video? >> i don't think i remember enough about the particulars to say, but in theory, sure.
>> why did he ask that question? what was he going after there? >> i think he's making a clear reference to the dossier that came out a while back with allegations, some of them lurid with regard to potentially the russians having compromising material on donald trump. and it raises the bigger question of, okay, if the russian intelligence services, and, therefore, the russian government have information that makes somebody in this case president trump blackmailable, then, you know, that's a dangerous situation to be in. what i can tell you is, that. >> you think they have that? >> well, director comey was being careful there and appropriately so. what i can say is, the russians have a capability to do this, and i can also tell you that somebody like donald trump, even before i had political aspirations, were he to travel to russia, the russians would through their lens, see him as
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an extraordinary appearance today before the house committee. i want to bring in laura coats, page pate. let's get to the bottom of this legally. what's the significance behind the fact that this investigation into the trump team, these possible contacts or contacts and russia, that it was going on months before the election, and is still ongoing after eight months. >> the consequence really is, they have not concluded their
investigation, that you are seeing these things do not work on an election calendar, but an investigation calendar, which lags behind as quickly as we like it to. there is a longstanding tradition in the fbi. a mandate that says we don't comment on ongoing investigations. we never do that, now it appears that directive, that edict is well, sometimes we will, and we'll tell you when we think it's important enough to do so. so you have a kind of -- everyone getting swept under this hurricane that says, we're not only going to follow protocol, and as a result, you have the credibility of agencies now being questioned, the president of the united states, and his campaign being in question. certainly former candidates as well. >> james comey, the fbi director also mentioned that the agency is looking at possible coordination of trump associates and the kremlin. mike flynn was forced to resign,
after it was revealed he led the president about russia's ambassadors to the u.s. what trouble is flynn or anyone else if they're found to have worked with russia, what trouble are they in? >> there's a lot of possible crimes that can be investigated here. federal crimes that were late to the conduct of somebody who's working for the federal government and having a relationship with a foreign power with another country. especially in connection with the investigation. you may uncover false statements that may have been made to investigators, that's a separate crime. obstruction, that's a separate crime. like any federal investigation, you really don't know what you have, until you start peeling back the onion, i think today james comey said, we started doing that, we're going through this process, and without getting into any details, he wanted america to know that we're looking into it, we're
taking it seriously, and we're going to peel back the onion and see what we find. >> he said there's no evidence, there's no evidence to show -- to support president trump's claims that trump tower was wiretapped. does that mean that president trump lied? >> i don't know what president trump watds thinking when he sent that tweet. he was relying on information that was given to him. i would think if you're the president you have access to all of that information through the department of justice. if you were suspicious about wiretapping activity, ask your attorney general, ask your fbi director, find out if there was wiretapping going on, and if so, why? either he asked that question, knew the answer and gave america a false statement which would be a lie, or he simply made no inquiry, he watched tv and the next day decided it was true. >> does he have any exposure legally? or can a former president -- does he have any recourse? >> legally, i think there's an arguable defamation claim there,
i can't imagine president obama having any interest in pursuing litigation over something like that, it would only damage the current president's credibility even more, which of course in a collateral way, damages america's credibility. president obama will likely stay out of this mess, he might demand an apology, or at least his representatives should, clearly it's a de familiar tory statement if it's not true. >> i think you're being kind page, it's not a matter of semantics, whether or not it's a misinformation or misstatement, certainly to say someone's lying does presume there's a nefarious intent behind it, legally speaking and plane folk speaking here, when you make a statement that is based on a knee jerk reaction, it's the same reason why we condemn the fbi, when they make statements about investigations that are ongoing, and the reason they do not do it, that is, we have to be able to develop, and the president has to be able to develop and know the facts before they make these statements. and when you don't, you lose the
ability to litigate in the courts, where there are set parameters to protect your reputation and credibility. and instead, you replace that with the court of public opinion. when that happens, you have people who are unfairly tarred and feathered, whether that's the republicans or democrats, remains to be seen, what day of the week it is, however, the reason why it is so toxic legally speaking, is because it compromises the investigation and the investigation of the department of justice, and it allows people to believe that somehow there is a political motivation, as opposed to a development of procedure. when we come back, we know both candidates were being investigated during the campaign, what would have happened if we had known that in november. it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. e*trade are upgrading their watere filter to zerowater.
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let's discuss this and a lot of things. happy birthday's in order, mr. bauer? >> thank you. >> i don't feel one most nights. >> let me ask you do you think this is going to help now asking states giving able bodied people the ability to work? you had concerns about this health care bill. >> we want to try to at least make folks have skin in the game how can we cut costs? how can we get people to be more engaged, change behavior and we're discussing it now. which i think is healthy for the system. >> you had some apprehension
about the bill in its original form as well. >> the original bill was never going to pass in the house, it was absolutely not going to pass in the senate. a lot of work's been done behind the scenes. my former boss ted cruz. they're working hand in glove with the trump administration, donald trump himself to roll back some of this medicaid expansion. and this key provision also requiring work for medicaid recipients. conservatives in the house and senate want to see major reform. they have some skin in the game. they want to make sure there are no premium increases and they want to make sure that the overall people are not thrown off health care to begin -- this is what they campaigned on, and they know it will come back to haunt them if they aren't able to follow through. >> the freedom caucus, they have enough votes to kill this house legislation even with these
changes? >>. >> yeah, and i think we saw today even alice' boss and mike lee and others came from a meeting, they were working hand in glove with the white house, and said they were frustrated, there is enough members in the house to kill it, we know it only takes those three senators. i have to correct a few things. they've been talking about harping on premiums increasing, there have to be controls placed in obama care. three percent of those on obama care are a23eked by the premium increases. what we've been seeing from republican leadership 3 these people who are on medicaid, contrary to alice and andre's belief, aren't freeloaders, they're hardworking americans, the same people that came out and voted for donald trump, they make 20, $30,000 a year, they're
working 50, 60 hours a week in this backbreaking generational pover poverty. you have people who are gaming a system or taking advantage of a system, and now we're going to make sure they have skinning in the game, or we're going to cap their benefits is patently absurd. we're starting to see the differences between the two parties. and donald trump has a bill that's not functional. if he does pass it, it's growing to cost them both. >> today was a big day, angela. i know you want to weigh-in on health care. if you will just go with me on this. we know our presidential candidates -- director comey only revealed the clinton investigation. if he had been transparent about the trump investigation. the outcome might have been different you think? >> don, you know, reasonable minds can only hope so. i think that it's so unfortunate, i remember the day that director comey's letter came out, and the impact that it had, and then, of course, him
later releasing a letter saying, all is fair, all is clear, we're done with this. just -- another few weeks before the election, i think the real issue that we have here is today at this house committee hearing, i did not hear enough of the democrats saying, you know, this is something that you've known about since july. why did you not then have the obligation to disclose this same information at the time hillary clinton was under investigation. i'm dying to know what his rationale is, and i think democrats were so focused on ensuring they were building a narrative, creating reasonable doubt, demonstrating that donald trump doesn't have the ability to lead this country as commander in chief, that that kind of got lost in the sauce, that is not -- that wasn't a game for us. >> i want everyone to stand by. a question i've been wanting to get in the panel from earlier, that someone poeszed to me is,
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2016. she said most honest people i know are not under fbi investigation, let alone two. when will everyone need to learn that tweets come back to haunt you? >> wow. that's pretty telling. look, i'm not a lawyer like baccari and he knows this better than me, but it's important to keep in mind, when you're under investigation, that doesn't mean you're guilty. you have the presumption of innocent until the outcome of the investigation is completed. i think it's important to keep that in mind. that being said, i think we need to let the investigation, let the facts play out and see where they go. also important to look at the big picture and context. the big take-away from today is we have confirmation that there was russian influence in the election, whether or not it impacted the outcome of the election, that will be determined, but we need to let the investigation play out. >> baccari, should a president or administration that admitted from the fbi director today, that is under investigation, or
their campaign at least under investigation, should they be allowed a scotus pick? >> i think there are other reasons the democrats need to stand on their heels and attempt to pushback this nomination of neil gorsuch. i think he's way outside of the mainstream on issues when it comes to women and choice and things of that nature. so i think that should be the reason that you stand up against him. and you can look at the historical factor of what republicans did to merrick garland who sat there over a year without a hearing. so i think there's some precedent. the fact that there's an fbi investigation into the white house is a different ball of wax, and we need to let it play out and i hope it runs its course, all the way down to donald trump's aides. >> angela, president trump was a big critic of president obama's golfing habits during the campaign. listen to this. >> he played more golf last year
than tiger woods. no, think of it. we don't have time for this. we don't have time for this. >> and i won't be playing golf instead of going to see the people in louisiana who have been devastated by floods. >> okay, and this is how sean spicer described the difference. because this president has made ten golf trips in the two months that he's been president. here's sean spicer today. >> i think two things, one is, you saw him utilize this as an opportunity with prime minister abe, to help foster deeper relationships in southeast asia. in asia, rather, and having a growing relationship that will help the u.s. interest. how you use the game of golf is something that he's talked about. secondly, we went to -- down to -- he had a mini cabinet meeting the other day -- or two weekends ago, down at his club in virginia, and i remember so many people jumping to the
conclusion that he's going down and playing golf. just because you go somewhere, doesn't mean you did it. so on couple of occasions, he's conducted meetings there. >> so, angela -- >> was that shaun or melissa? melissa, girl, stop playing! >> come on, you have to see the irony in that. >> that's rich, don. come on. sean spicer doesn't believe sean spicer at this point. his eyes were just like, just because you're on the golf course, doesn't mean you're really golfing. it's ridiculous. there's nothing even to say here. we know that donald trump doesn't believe the words that are coming out of his mouth. we know that sean spicer doesn't believe the words comes out of his mouth. we know when kellyanne conway doesn't believe the words coming out of her mouth. and the level of hypocrisy is frankly astonishing. >> prime minister david cameron is who president obama played with, also john boehner,
chambliss of georgia, bob corker, joe courtney, ed pearlmutter and john yarma. there's a big difference. andre, i can't let you talk, i'm out of time. >> happy birthday, andre! >> happy birthday, brother. you were talking to angela. all right, happy birthday, brother. see you later. thanks for watching, everyone. see you right back here tomorrow. now it's good for us all. like introverts. extroverts. (cheering) and even bert. man you gotta' try this sandwich. who's just overt. oscar mayer deli fresh. so good! youthat's why you drink ensure. sidelined.
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