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2% of their gdp nato expenditures. thanks very much. michelle kosinski at the state department. that's it for me. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer in "the situation room." "erin burnett out front" starts right now. out front next, breaking news, more countries banning electronics on flights, the threat being taken seriously by security officials. intelligence showing al qaeda may be trying to hide explosives in batteries. plus, where's the proof? the white house says evidence to support trump's wiretapping allegations is on the way. where is it? with less than two days to a crucial vote on the health care bill, trump tells republican lawmakers a no vote could cost you your job. let's go "out front." good evening. i'm erin burnett. the breaking news on the security threat coming in at this hour. we have more information frankly frightening information tonight on the ban on electronics on planes.
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intelligence obtained finding that an al qaeda affiliate was perfecting techniques for hiding explosives, small explosives in batteries and battery compartments of electronic devices. rene marsh is out front. they are taking this incredibly seriously. what new information are you learning? >> reporter: well, i just spoke with a member of congress who was briefed on this particular issue and i'm told that the decision to implement this electronics ban was based on new intelligence and the re-evaluation of existing intelligence. we know that the intel community believed the threat was, quote, persistent and emerging, and sources tell cnn the move was not prompted by a specific plot but was based in part on recent intelligence involving al qaeda's affiliate in yemen, or aqap. a u.s. official tells cnn's barbara starr that the terror group was perfecting techniques
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for hiding explosives in batteries and battery compartments of laptops and other commercial electronic devices. >> thank you very much. we'll be speaking with someone who was briefed on this in just a moment. they are taking this seriously. our other breaking story at this hour, where is the proof? the white house tonight dismissing calls for the evidence to back up president trump's charge that president obama wiretapped him. james comey of course says there's nothing to it. the national security director says there's nothing to it. despite that damning testimony and the fact that virtually no one is standing by trump's accusation but his own press secretary, the president and sean spicer aren't backing down. we asked where is trump's proof? the president telling fox news six days ago they would share information with the house intelligence committee soon and also promised this. >> i think you're going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the
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next two weeks. >> when confronted about that promise today, here's how sean spicer responded. >> the administration and the president have repeatedly said over the next few weeks they'll present evidence he was wiretapped. last week he said it would be coming this week and he may speak on it this week. can we expect the president to this week present evidence he was wiretapped by barack obama or will he speak about it? he didn't mention it last night in his rally. >> right. let's see how the week goes. >> all right. sara marie is out front at the white house. just trying to blow it off. any indication of what these quote/unquote interesting items are that donald trump has personally promised we will see? >> reporter: you saw how quickly the president's own press secretary turned away from this. this is indicative of what we've seen from the white house on this topic. the president made this allegation in the first place on twiter, has not offered any evidence to back it up, and now
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it appears he doesn't want to talk about it. he did a local news interview in which aides to president trump made it clear he would not answer questions about wiretapping. when he was in kentucky on the stump last night, that is the kind of place where we might see the president begin to rip about this kind of thing, especially in the wake of the fbi director james comey saying i have not seen anything, i have nothing to back up this allegation. but the president was silent about it in kentucky. he is speaking again this evening at a national republican congressional dinner but it would be surprising if he tries to broach this wiretapping claim this evening given the silence we've heard from the white house on this front. they are still insistent some evidence will come out to vindicate the president's claim. obviously they're not offering it and everyone who's been involved in these investigations so far has said they have seen no proof to back it up. >> sara, in terms of what the president is doing tonight, obviously having a meeting regarding obamacare, but it is possible, right, that he could
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come out and say something additional as he has been so reticent, uncarc trystly, on this as he's promised this information. >> reporter: having followed him and seen him speak publicly for almost two years, i can tell you it's never off the table when it comes to this president. he is of course someone who has spoken from script, from teleprompter, but is inclined to veer off it if it's something he's cared about. that's why it's so interesting this is not a subject he's def led in on except for the initial 2013s the allegations. always possible he could go off script and decide tonight is the night he wants to talk about wiretapping and offer up that proof. we've seen no indication from the white house today or yesterday this is something they're going to engage on. >> sara, thank you very much. as this is happening the white house is distancing itself from the former campaign manager, chairman paul manafort who is becoming a focus of the
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investigation into contacts between trump associates and russians. so how much of a focus? tom foreman is "out front." >> how many people have to say there's nothing there before you realize nothing's there? >> reporter: the administration is moving fast to put distance between president trump and the man of key interest in the russian hacking investigation, paul manafort. >> obviously a discussion of paul manafort who played a limited role for a limited amount of time. >> reporter: limited? he was campaign chairman from may to mid-august last year, overseeing the staff, the budget, and dismissing early claims by democrats that russian hackers targeted their party's computers to tilt the election trump's way. >> they are getting desperate rather early in the game. >> reporter: now a lawmaker in ukraine says he's discovered a new document in an office where manafort worked as he advised the former ukrainian president, viktor yanukovych. the lawmaker says the paper
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looks like an invoice for $750,000 in computer parts allegedly signed with manafort's name. a spokesman for manafort says manafort does not recognize the document and it's not his signature, and cnn cannot verify the authenticity of the invoice. if it is legitimate, however, it could dovetail with the so-called blackledger, a longer list revealed last fall which purports to show $12.7 million in payments alongside manafort's name. that lawmaker who found the new document believes all the money could be for undisclosed services paid for through the ukrainian president's political party. >> i think it's not all money for him. it's more for his activity as well, his campaigning activities for some technical issues of his. activity as a spin doctor. $12.7 million is an incredibly
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high amount of money. >> reporter: why should such payments matter to the u.s. investigation of the russian hacking scandal? because the former ukrainian president, manafort's client, was a kremlin ally. even fleeing to russia when he was driven from power. manafort dismisses any suggestion there was a corrupt river of money flowing from the kremlin as part of a scheme to elect donald trump and get a more pro-russian president in the white house. >> why is so it so far-fetched to blame the russians and say the motive was to help you? >> it's just absurd. i don't even know what you're talking about. it's crazy. >> reporter: when reports came out during the republican convention that the trump camp pushed the republican party and its platform to ease up on criticism of russia for invading ukraine, manafort pushed back. >> it absolutely did not come from the trump campaign. i don't know who everybody is, but i guarantee you -- >> nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? >> no one.
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zero. >> reporter: amid these latest developments, manafort's most recent statement says in part, "i had no role or involvement in the cyber attacks on the dnc. i have never spoke within any russian government officials or anyone who claimed to have been involved. the suggestion that i have ever worked to undermine the interests of the united states is false." yet investigators continue looking at these connections from president trump to his former campaign manager paul manafort to a former president of ukraine to moscow. and wondering if in this chain they will find any actual evidence of anything nefarious going on or as the white house keeps insisting, just a witch-hunt. erin? >> tom, thank you. "out front" tonight, the top democrat on the senate intelligence committee, senator mark warner. i appreciate your time. you heard the statement from paul manafort. he's calling any allegations of collusions with the russians false. do you believe him?
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>> listen, this is why we have to have this investigation, why we have to talk to mr. manafort and a series of other individuals who have been affiliated with the trump campaign. in the case of paul manafort, he was the actual campaign manager. we need to bring him in and have that kind of conversation because there's such a cloud now that's hanging over this whole administration. part of it brought about by the president's own words in terms of accusing president obama about taping him and wiretapping him. but we've got to get to the bottom of this. that's why i've said from the outset this is probably the most important thing i've ever taken on in my public life. >> do you want paul manafort to testify in front of your committ committee, senator? >> there are -- i'm not going to go through individual names. anyone who's been that affili e affiliated with the trump campaign as well as having so many supposed contacts with russians, we need to talk to. his name has been mentioned, obviously roger stone's name, a series of other individuals.
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we've put out a series of letters to make sure people preserve documents and we're already starting to interview individuals. we'll have a public hearing next week. and this investigation goes to the heart of our democracy. we know what russia has done to interfere in the electoral process. now we have to see what kind of combination or conversations took place between folks affiliated with the trump campaign and the rugssians. >> you mentioned roger stone, paul manafort, carter page, j.d. gordon? >> i'm not going to go through the list of individuals, but we intend to be extraordinarily comprehensive. we intend to follow all the intelligence wherever it leads. >> does that lead you to the president of the united states? would you call him to testify? >> listen, i'm saying we're going to follow and do this in methodical fashion and of course we're going to talk to these people who have been mentioned, but we need to do this in a methodical way.
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>> roger stone, you mentioned him and he was mentioned multiple times in the house hearing yesterday. comey specifically asked about stone's interactions with guccifer 2.0, which is who claimed responsibility for the dnc hacks, and u.s. officials belief he's a front for russian intelligence. roger stone said today the questioning left a completely false impression of stone and his contacts with the russians. here he is. >> it was the worst kind of red-baiting, mudslinging, telling part of the story but not all of the story. it's mccarthyism. it's despicable. i really look forward to my day in court, and i hope i will be afforded the opportunity to respond to the allegations. >> obviously he at least from there sounds like he wants to go in front of your committee. are you worried about what he says, though, accusations of a witch-hunt, mccar thiism?
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>> mr. stone tweeted himself he had been in contact with julian assange and wikileaks. he then put out a public tweet saying long before the john podesta e-mails leaked that he knew that podesta's, quote, time in the barrel was coming. and now in recent press reports he said he's been in contact with guccifer 2.0, who we now know is a russian agent. in my mind, that's a trifecta and anyone that wouldn't ask him to come forward -- i'm happy to hear his side of the story, but to do this in a way that explained these kind of contacts, i don't think we wouldn't be doing our job if we didn't ask him and a series of other individuals. >> before we go, the u.s. and the united kingdom banning most types of electronic devices from the mideast, due to intelligence that al qaeda was perfecting techniques for hiding explosives
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in batteries and compartments a anythings like laptops. have you been briefed on this? >> i have been and we ought to take this threat seriously. i think there already further briefings in the next few days. if our adversaries are able to shrink down some of these potential explosive devices and potentially fit them in -- at least the perez reports have said, i would usual all americans to make sure that we take this threat very seriously. >> you have any sense as too the timing of the threat? was it iminnocent? how specific was it? >> again, i think there will be more information coming out. i was notified over the weekend. we're going to file a brief today. but, you know, i know at times in the past when people talk about different color coding, this is something we need to take seriously. there is a real threat here. and americans should act accordingly. >> senator, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, erin.
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>> a real threat and americans should act according hi. "out front" next, is russia's trump watergate? the white house counsel is speaking out. he says yes. and president trump about to speak live. can he convince more republicans to vote for the health care bill? it's a must-win for him. and a dedicated trump supporter who turned out for 45 rallies, as dedicated as it gets. why is he turning his back on trump now? >> i don't believe that he was true in his word when he was speaking. i think he was looking for votes.
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new tonight, an explosive charge about the trump administration and the fbi's investigation into the campaign's ties to russia. president nixon's former white house counsel john dean, saying, "i've been inside a cover-up, i know how they look and feel. every sing nal they're sending is -- we're covering this thing up." norm eisen, president obama's former ethics czar. ben forgotson and mark preston. ambassador, let me start with you. where there's smoke, there is fire. do you believe that in this case that there is actually fire when it comes to actual coordination and collusion between the trump campaign and russia? >> erin, thanks for having me. nobody knows if there's fire or not. but the smoke is very thick.
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take it from john dean. it has that feeling. you have an explosive international incident, an attack on our democracy by russia. you have contacts with russia and those close to russia by senior people close to mr. trump. you have money swirling around in the scandal and lying. those are all the signs that maybe when that thick black smoke is pouring out of the walls there's a fire inside of it. >> fire inside, ben, or ooh witch-hunt? >> i go with witch-hunt. funny how many allegations were just put there not based in fact or reality. a lot of democrats love this issue because it's a great way to attack the white house and put them on the defensive and score political points. if you come out every week and say something is watergate at
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some point your words become meaningless. i think democrats are very close to overplaying this and we're only a couple months in now. you look at what has happened here and what they claim has happened here. show me the facts, the proof, back it up. innuendos are not facts. assuming facts are not facts. show me the actual intelligence that backs up all the claims of this big black smoke that he says is coming out of the building that there must be fire in. and i'm willing to listen. otherwise it's hacks, political hacks on the white house. >> ben, on the comparisons to watergate, there have been some and you're right coming from the left side of the aisle. but one thing in common between the two situations at least thus far is nixon and trump's hate of the media, all right? they absolutely despise it. hold on. let me lay it out. james clapper and others stated there is no evidence potus colluded with russia. fake news and everybody knows it. now i give you richard nixon.
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>> i have never heard or seen such outrageous, vicious reporting in 27 years of public life. don't get the impression you arouse my anger. >> yes, i had that impression. >> one can only be angry with those he respects. >> you could hear those words coming out of donald trump's mouth, couldn't you, ben? >> i could also give you a clip of bill clinton attacking the media and also saying i did not have sexual relations with that woman and that this is all lies and being fabricated by the right and the media is reporting it. i can also give you a tape of the white house saying benghazi was in fact a responsibilispont protest that erupted into killing an ambassador when they knew that was a lie they were putting out and they challenged the media saying they were wrong to imply it was anything else. you can in every administration find a clip that would correlate with what richard nixon said
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attacking the media. just because you attack the media doesn't mean there's a watergate going on here. if it's true, then obama probably had a -- >> mark, i don't know if you heard senator warner saying he wants to run this investigation down. obviously he's a democrat. but one who very much works across the lines. he says this is bipartisan. here we have john mccain moments ago talking to our manu raju saying he had serious concerns about specific people in the trump campaign, ties to russia. here he is. >> i have serious questions about some of the people around the presidential campaign. there were people with close ties to the russians. and including an individual who was paid large sums of money by yanukovych who was the russian stooge as the president of ukraine. >> forfort's --
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>> mr. manafort, his relations. >> mark, there is a cloud hanging over this administration. that isn't something you can deny. democrats and republicans agree. >> no doubt. it was telling when fbi director james comey wouldn't get into specifics other than saying it's been going on for eight months. it could be going on eight more months or for year. dark cloud, put it in this perspective of where the phrase came from, from the house intelligence chairman devin nunes yesterday saying to mr. comey, there's a big gray cloud you've put over people who have important work to do to lead this country. regardless, if there is fire beneath that smoke, that smoke is incredibly distracting. >> ambassador, when mark mentions devin nunes, he came out and said that he highly doubts that anybody is investigating the president himself, right? because to make the watergate comparis comparison it has to go to the top. that's the point.
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devin nunes says no evidence, sean spicer nothing he's aware of. no indication if this goes to president trump. wouldn't it need to for this to be watergate? >> not yet. and we don't know if we're there yet, but look at what we have. we have admitted contacts with mr. stone and guccifer 2.0, who our intelligence agency says save is the russian front. we have mr. stone talking about wikileaks, predicting what's happening. we have mr. manafort's ties that set of facts senator mccain talked about. we have mr. flynn lying about his contacts, also accepting money. if any one of these three individuals -- here's how it works. if any of them did violate the law, sooner or later the fbi and the doj are going to come to them, offer them some kind of immunity, and then we get to the watergate question -- >> ambassador --
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>> -- what did the president know, when did he know it? >> give me a break. erin, hold on. we have to deal with reality and facts here. if you're claiming an individual talking to a foreign government automatically is watergate, which i can't even believe we're having that discussion as the ambassador is implying, hillary clinton would have had 50 watergates because of the clinton foundation and all the money that came into her foundation while she was at the state department and while she was running for president. so if democrats are going to claim this, they might want to look at their own house first. there's nothing wrong with having a conversation while you're running for president with other foreign leaders or people in your campaign. that does not mean it's watergate. >> mark, where do you see this going? we heard senator warner say they've already started to interview individuals related to the trump campaign. they have already started to do so and they are going to be in his words incredibly comprehensive. >> right.
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and to hear the likes of john mccain, who he himself is expressing concern about those who associated themselves with donald trump and their alleged roles or alleged roles could be, look, it won't be a very good year for president trump and his administration. he's trying right now to get a health care bill through. he's talking about tax reform, talking about putting a billion dollar infrastructure bill in place. he has to deal with an unstable north korea, turmoil in the middle east, and what he's done right now is we have this as we said at the beginning a very dark cloud hanging over this administration. >> thank you all very much. next, mark mentioned it, president trump speaking at this moment, going to be gathering in a couple moments. we are going to be monitoring this live, meeting with republicans. can he get the votes? he has to win some people over because right now it doesn't look like he has them. i'll ask a leading critic of the bill, senator rand paul. and trump's supreme court pick taking on the president today.
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president trump trying to seal the deal. live pictures out of washington. trump is about to speak where you see paul ryan at a national
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republican congressional dinner. he is racing against the clock before the house votes on its plan to repeal, replace obamacare. cnn's latest whip count shows 19 republicans are definite noes, seven others likely noes. the gop all in can afford to lose no more than 21 votes. you can do the math. sara murray is out front. >> reporter: today donald trump is flexing his muscle as salesman in chief, trekking to capitol hill to try to woo lawmakers into a plan to repeal and replace obamacare. >> had a great meeting and i think we'll get a winner vote. >> reporter: after huddling with house republicans the president projecting confidence that his top agenda item will pass the house on thursday. >> a great meeting. terrific people. they want a tremendous health care plan. that's what we have. and there will be adjustments but i think we'll get the vote on thursday. >> reporter: trump also issued a warning telling members they risk losing their seats in the
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2018 midterm elections if they allow the health care bill to fail. >> i think there's going to be a price to be paid but it will be with their own voters and they're going to have to go back and explain to them why they made a commitment to them and then didn't follow through. >> reporter: behind closed doors, trump employed his signature style. >> president trump was here to do what he does best, and that is to close the deal. >> reporter: he tallied the crowd size from the kentucky rally the night before. >> this place is packed. >> reporter: and ribbed reluctant lawmakers. >> he teases me quite a bit. quite a sense of humor. >> reporter: it's not masking what's at hand. trump's first legislative test and a chance to deliver on a promise republicans spent years campaigning on. but even trump's personal pitch failed to sway meadows and other members of the conservative
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freedom caucus. >> change your mind at all? >> no. i said the president did a great job and i appreciate the president but the bill is still bad. >> reporter: that as democrats eagerly leapt on republicans' hesitation. >> their bill is such a mess and is proving so deemly unpopular that republicans are playing a game of hot potato with it. >> reporter: all the jockeying here is of course still far from over. just today white house press secretary sean spicer said it's possible the president could still seek changes to this bill before a vote. the president today met with moderate republicans here at the white house and he has yet another chance to make his pitch tonight at the national republican congressional committee dinner. we'll see how persuasive he is. >> we'll see if it is the art of the deal. thanks. "out front" now, republican senator from kentucky, dr. rand paul, opposed to the current plan to replace obamacare hand has offered an alternative plan.
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good to have you with me. our latest whip count in the house 26 republicans are officially voting no or leaning to no. chair of the house freedom caucus, mark meadows, says he has no doubt he can stop the bill. any chance this bill makes it out of the house? >> no. i think we have 30 to 35 no votes in the house and i think either the house leadership will put it forward and lose or they will begin counting the secrets closely and decide not to put it forward. i think at that point conservatives will have earned a seat at the table and then the real negotiations begin. i think the prenegotiations have gone on but the real negotiations begin when we show them they don't have the vote. >> you said you stand with the freedom caucus. president trump has been courting members of that caucus, met with four of them at the white house, more meetings planned tomorrow.
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are you basically reaching out to them to resist his effort ps. >> we've been having a lot of discussions. what i will tell you from meeting with members of the house freedom caucus, they are an independent bunch, a principled bunch, and i think the fact paul ryan and his political machine is now running ald adds against them in their races and districts, i think that's solidified them even more that this is a time in history when they have to go on their prince. s no matter what. you know, the establishment is going to do to try to defeat them in races. i think they believe that we complained act obamacare for six years that we should get it right and shouldn't just form and pass something that's sort of a version of obamacare but doesn't fix the crucial problem that insurance rates are going through the roof, premiums are soaring. there's a death spiral in the individual insurance mark. if we don't fix that we'll be blamed for now passing a version that may be no better than what obamacare is doing. >> you would do things like
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people can't stay on their parents' plan, an example, not in your bill, keeps unhealthy people out of the system, you would make changes like that? >> no. i would try to develop a marketplace where the consumer would be king again. right now i have a great deal of sympathy if there's a husband and wife and they have a plumbing business, if one of them gets sick, their rates go through the roof or they could be dropped, they're in an insurance pool of two people. that's crazy. i don't want anybody in the individual market. i would empower everybody in the individual market to join a group plan. imagine this. there are 37 million people in aarp. what if one person negotiated a group plan for them? they would have enormous leverage to bring down prices. i want the insurance company executives to come on bended knee to the consumer. i don't want the situation we have now where the consumer begs for insurance and if they get sick they double and triple their rates. that happens under obamacare, but it also will happen under
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paul ryan's plan if we don't actually fix the problem. >> so, senator, you're core to this. this has been your passion. you were on the show a couple weeks ago. as your interview was airing, yourtweeted about you. he said i'm sure my friend rand paul will come along with the new program because he knows obama is a disaster. obviously he didn't win you over with that, you have not come along. this is donald trump versus rand paul. >> actually, i see myself as on the same side of the president on this. >> but you're not. >> let me finish my thought. i would say we are uniting and believing in repeal. all republicans are wanting to repeal obamacare and i'm united with the president on that. we have some differences of opinion on replace. i want to replace obamacare with market forces and with empowering the consumer. paul ryan's plan replaces obamacare with obamacare-lite, more government programs, more subsidies for the insurance
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companies. i'm not for that. but i am for repeal. i think there is common ground. what i'm trying to find is that common ground. >> are you talking to him? he's putting everything on the line. hi credibility on the line for this bill the way it is to pass. >> we still have open lines of communication with the white house. i've talked to the president three times in the last week, talked to the vice president twice in the last week or two. we have open lines. i met with his representatives from the white house today. we have open lines of communication. our goal is to not defeat the president and not to defeat paul ryan. our goal is to repeal obamacare and replace wit something better. our fear is that the paul ryan plan will still allow insurance rates, the death spiral, the upheaval in the individual market to continue, but he hasn't fixed the problem. >> you recently handed out copies of the president's book "art of the deal" to members of the freedom caucus. you wanted them to learn from the master. he's in hi element, selling the
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deal, calling members of the house freedom caucus as you are, trying to get them to vote yes. can you beat him at his own game with these guys? >> it's not about me versus the president. it's about the principles we've been running on for at least a decade. in 2010 the whole tea party insurgency i was elect as part of was about repealing obamacare. so ultimately we are in agreement but we have to come to the understanding we disagree on what to replace it with. >> thank you very much, senator paul. >> thank you. "out front" next, trump's pick for the supreme court takes on the president today. and why a trump supporter who followed trump to 45 rallies is jumping ship tonight. modern life deserves a modern way to pay. on your phone and online. so you don't miss his first birthday. tickets, i need to see your tickets sir. i masterpassed it.
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president trump's supreme court nominee judge neil gorsuch calling out president trump. gorsuch, who is right now going into his tenth hour before the senate judiciary committee, telling senators that a tax attacks on judges' sbintegrity e disheartening and demoralizing. >> no such thing as a republican
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judge or a democratic judge. >> supreme court nominee neil gorsuch steering clear of politics. >> a good judge doesn't give a wit about politics. >> reporter: cross-examined by democrats today, skeptical about his ability to be independent from president trump. >> when i became a judge, they gave me gavel, not a rubber stamp. >> reporter: on the president's recent criticism of federal judges, fwor such responded in public for the first time. >> when anyone criticizes the honesty or integrity, the motives of a federal judge, well, i find that disheartening. i fip that demoralizing. because i know the truth. anyone including the president of the united states. anyone is anyone. >> reporter: and democrats attempting to pin him down on the president's most controversial views, like the so-called travel ban, and if he
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thinks a blanket religious test is consistent with the first amendment. >> senator, a lot of people say a lot of silly things. >> more than silly. that's he wants this congressman wants you on the court so he can uphold a muslim ban. >> nor, he has no idea how i'd rule in that case. >> reporter: on trump's promise as a candidate to appoint anti-abortion jus citieses who would overturn row v wade. >> do you view roe has having super precedent? >> it has been preaffirmed many times. i can say that. >> dozens. >> reporter: gorsuch saying he has not revealed his intentions to the president. >> in that interview, did he ever ask you to overrule roe v. wade? >> no, senator. >> what would you have done if he asked? >> senator, i would have walked out the door. >> reporter: and gorsuch pushing back against democratic criticism that he rules in favor of big companies. >> i wasn't in the man's shoes. >> reporter: ruling against a
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trucker who was fired for abandoning his broken down trailer in freezing temperatures to look for safety. >> it is absurd to say this company is in its rights to fire him because he made the choice of possibly dieing from feying to death or causing other people to die possibly by driving an unsafe vehicle. >> reporter: late in the day, gorsuch did display some uncharacteristic frustration at this whole process saying that there's a lot about the confirmation process that he regrets including butting his family through all this and lamenting that at one time albeit a long time ago had a hearing that last a mere 90 minutes long, that the a not so subtle dig at how long this marathon hearing has lasted for him and essentially sending the
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message this is no walk in the park, this will continue tomorrow as well. >> thank you. the former republican snorkelly ayotte from new hampshire has been crucial in guiding the supreme court nominee through the process. you've been sitting there all day. an empty chair where you were. ten hours, continuing. we heard judge gorsuch take on the president for questioning a judge's integrity. he said that means anyone when they do that it's disheartening and demoralizing. sounded like a message he wanted to deliver loudly and clear hi. >> i think he's made clear he believes strongly in the independence of the judiciary. nothing new here. i've sat in many meetings where he said the same thing to senator blumenthal but to other senators who have asked him and he's also made clear that he is not going to get involved in political matters, he won't comment on any particular case. but one of the themes you hear today from this hearing is that he's going to be an independent
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judge that he feels very strongly about the independence of the judiciary and he also is going to apply the law fairly to any party that comes before him. >> so during the campaign, trump said he would appoint supreme court justices that will overturn roe versus wade. one of his promises. when pressed, judge gorsuch said president trump never asked his opinion on a landmark case and he was vague in terms of where he stand. >> in that interview, did he ever ask you to overrule roe v. wade? >> no, senator. >> what would you have done if he'd asked? >> senator, i would have walked out the door. it's not what judges do. >> how confident are you, senator, that judge gorsuch would try to overturn roe versus wade as donald trump promised his supreme court nominee would do? >> i think that a judge made very cheer today that he was not
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asked to give any promises by this administration or anyone else as to how he would rule on any case. the judge testified today before the hearing about that. he also said that during the process of being appointed -- excuse me, nominated to the supreme court that he was not asked those questions about litmus tests. he doesn't believe in them, and he'll be fair in considering obviously any case that comes before him and he's not going to predecide a case. >> he said that on a lot of topics. he was vague. he didn't reveal his judicial process. some would say that's fair. here's how he answered those questions. >> i have offered no promises on how i'd rule in any case to anyone. and i don't think it's appropriate for a judge to do so. i'm not in a position to tell you whether i personally like or
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dislike any precedent. my personal views i'd also tell you, mr. chairman, belong over here. i leave those at home. >> you know him, you've been in these meetings. are you sure of his philosophy, his opinions? >> i'm very sure. i've got on tten to know him we. i'm sure he's a man of integrity, a judge's judge, and when he testifies today that he is not going to predecide any case, that he will treat everyone who comes before him fairly, he will apply the law, that it's congress' job to pass the law and he is someone who is going to be in my opinion an excellent judge should he be confirmed to serve on the supreme court, and you've heard that today really in his testimony, that he wants to make sure that he is fair to everyone who comes before him and that he applies the law passed by congress narily. >> nor, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. next, a trump supporter who followed his candidate to 45
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live pictures out of washington. speaking at the national dinner. >> it really is a crucial vote for the republican party and for the people of our country. to finally repeal and replace the disaster known as obamacare. that's what it is, a disaster. >> this also comes as some loyal supporters of trump now find themselves at odds with him because of their support for obamacare. for one man, an issue that hits close to home, a man who went to 45 trump rallies, a true supporter.
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elizabeth cohen is out front. ♪ >> reporter: craig was a true believer in donald trump. >> 100% trump supporter. no other choice. >> reporter: during the presidential campaign he followed trump to 45 rallies across the u.s. ♪ trump train and he did it for a very personal reason. >> my son rob dead in his bed and it was devastating to me. >> reporter: his son rob died of a heroin overdose in 2014. he was 24. >> we will help all of those people so seriously addicted. we'll get them assistance. >> reporter: moss believed trump's campaign promises, especially when trump reached out to him at a rally. >> and i know what you went through. a great father. i can see it. and your son is proud of you. your son is proud of you. >> reporter: but moss is a trump supporter no more. tell me about this guitar. do you play this guitar anymore?
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>> nope. >> reporter: why not? >> not on the trump trail anymore and i -- i've lost my heart to play the trump songs. >> reporter: moss, who believes his son might still be alive if he'd had health insurance, can't believe trump supports the republican health care plan. it would increase the number of uninsured americans and it would end the obamacare requirement that the 31 states with expanded medicaid cover addiction services. >> there's no question that this legislation in the house of representatives would cost many american lives. >> reporter: at cnn's town hall, health and human services secretary tom price said medicaid doesn't have to be the solution. he's asked state governors to come up with their own plans to cover addiction treatment. >> there are wonderful ways i believe to address this in a positive way if we keep our focus on the patient, not on government, on the patient. >> reporter: but moss has lost faith. >> i believed everything he said. >> reporter: and now? >> now i don't believe that he was true in his word when he was
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speaking. i think he was looking for votes, to be honest with you. it's not at all what mr. trump promised everybody he was going to provide for us, and i feel that now. anger -- i feel hurt inside. >> reporter: now that moss has changed his tune, the only song he wanted to sing for us is a song he wrote in memory of his son. ♪ thinking about the times we spent together and even the most simple things precious in life ♪ ♪ i love you just memories ♪ >> reporter: many americans rely op the government for addiction services. in 2014, 1 out of every 4 americans who were treated for addiction were hon mon medicaid.
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>> stunning statistic. thank you very much. thanks for joining us. anderson is up next. good evening from washington. president trump trying to close the deal. some in his party rooting against it or predicting failure. he pushed again tonight for the legislation to replace the affordable care act, also known as obamacare. this is something republicans have been trying to do for seven years, something they campaigned on, so did the president who promised better, cheaper health care and insurance coverage for all. the new legislation doesn't deliver on that, one problem. some republican members of the freedom caucus believe it delivers too much spend and not enough cost savings which left the president with perhaps the biggest sales job of his presidency. for from phil mattingly. >> did you get the votes, mr. president? >> no. >> reporter: president trump on ca


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