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>> stunning statistic. thank you very much. thanks for joining us. anderson is up next. good evening from washington. president trump trying to close the deal. some in his party rooting against it or predicting failure. he pushed again tonight for the legislation to replace the affordable care act, also known as obamacare. this is something republicans have been trying to do for seven years, something they campaigned on, so did the president who promised better, cheaper health care and insurance coverage for all. the new legislation doesn't deliver on that, one problem. some republican members of the freedom caucus believe it delivers too much spend and not enough cost savings which left the president with perhaps the biggest sales job of his presidency. for from phil mattingly. >> did you get the votes, mr. president? >> no. >> reporter: president trump on capitol hill trying to close the
health care deal while laying out the stakes. the president sources telling cnn warning republicans behind closed doors their seats and the entire gop majority will disappear if the bill fails. something speaker paul ryan agreed with. president told your members he believed many would lose their seats if this doesn't pass. do you agree with that asaysment and tubl you've done enough to assuage their concerns? >> yep. absolutely. >> there was no animosity. no browbeating. i have to tell you, the guy is talented. >> reporter: but not everyone listening was convinced. >> did you change your mind at all? >> no. i said the president did a great job and i appreciate the president, but the bill is still bad. >> reporter: you're going to vote no on thursday? >> that's my plan. >> reporter: and the chairman of conservative house freedom caucus warned support isn't there enough. >> not enough votes to do this.
>> reporter: that even after republicans sweetened the deal designed to bring both sides closer together, adding block grants to states for medicaid, work requirements for enrollees and trying to convince moderates to make the bill more appealing to older americans. still it's unknown if the changes will be enough. win or lose, trump is all in on a bill that's still very much hanging in the balance. >> phil mattingly joins us from capitol hill. do we know where the vote stands right now? >> reporter: they're short. when i talked to g.p. sources, those supportive of the bill, they acknowledge there's work to do but it's work that's being done. president trump's visit to capitol hill an important moment that both the white house and gop leaders have been saying was coming for weeks. now the real work is going on behind the scene.
you have paul ryan basically clearing his schedule to meet with any members that have concerns. some of the house conservative freedom caucus members shut tolg the white house in small groups to try and peel them off. mike pence on capitol hill meeting with some of those same members. the question now becomes can they close the deal quick enough. that vote is still scheduled for thursday and there's no question, whether you're talking to the conservatives, moderates, or leadership sources, there is work to do on this bill if they want to get it to the finish line just in the house. >> thanks very much. i spoke with a skeptic of the bill, virginia congressman tom garrett. >> i am still a no vote. i will tell you i'm very, very confident right now that there are not the votes to pass this bill as it stands. if they want to have a vote thursday, i think that will end up putting some egg on some folks' faces. but that doesn't mean we'll abandon health care reform.
it has to be done. we can't ignore the reality that is the act, a third of the localities nationwide there's one choice in providers, therefore obviously no choice. what i don't get is the impetus that this must be done right now on thursday, some sort of do-or-die date. it's not. it's to get it done right. >> congressman garrett is part of that freedom caucus. our panel. thanks for joining us. gloria, will they bring this to a vote thursday if in fact they don't think they have it? >> if they don't think they have the votes there's no reason to bring it to the floor and i think paul ryan can probably count pretty well. at this point, they're moving full steam ahead and i think the president going up to the hill was a pep rally, but it also was
kind of a warning shot across the bow. he said to people there, look, if we don't pass this, many you are going to lose their e seats. what was left unsaid, i might campaign against you or by the way, we might try and find somebody to primary you. so there is a little bit of fear here i think and i think members are going to always vote in their self-interest because that's what they do. and they'll have to decide whether it's in their self-interest to buck the president at this point and stick with their principles if you're a conservative or if it's in their self-interest to get a win sort of right out of the block so they can say we ran on repealing obamacare and replacing it. >> david gergen, president trump is clearly all in on this version of the bill. >> yes, he is, and good for him. i'm glad he's wrestling with this and trying to bring voters over. that's what a good president does. he deserves credit for that. but i must it will you, if the
rest of his presidency had been successful, 65% in the polls, he would definitely win this vote. >> it has an impact. >> where he is, it's harder. >> donald trump is not going to go campaign against republicans in the midterm elections next year. that won't happen. >> might have in the primary -- >> think about it. they have a narrow majority in the house. his priority won't be to campaign against fellow republicans. the guy he pointed to today as someone who needed to change, mark meadows, head of the freedom caucus hshgs, he won hi general election by 30 points. these guys know their districts well. they're making the calculation support trump or oppose what think think of as obamacare-lite. in the primary, what can they say? their opponents will say you didn't support our president. they'll say this was ryan care, obamacare-lite -- >> broke your promise, that's
what they'll say. >> the opponent might. >> yeah. >> but these are the most conservative members of the house. they are in gerrymander districts where they win the general election by overwhelming majority. they're extremely conservative districts. they have breitbart and other organizations on the right on their side opposing this legislation. >> jason, would you yao advise the president to go out this fast on obamacare? there were other -- could have done tax cults, infrastructure. the president talked about this the other night saying i wish i had been able to do something like that. >> structurally, they need to go with the obamacare repeal and replace before they get to tax cuts and other things. seems to be the consensus they need to take this on first. keep in mind, this is something that republicans have been running on for the last six years. i would not want to be a republican up for election in 2018 who voted the chance to repeal and replace obamacare. they've made some key adjustments to the bill i think this week that will bring on
board both conservatives and moderates. i think this is going to pass on thursday. >> given that they've been running on this for seven years, should they have more of their ducks in a row if. >> the dynamics have changed. yes, running on it for quite some time but obamacare is now at 53% approval rating. trump's approval rating is 37%, 38%, whatever. so if you're a republican, put the conservatives aside. if you're moderate republican in the house or the senate and you're looking at the politics of it, you're looking at the fact that not only are the politics questionable but people will lose their health care, you have seniors who will have a tax on them, people will be kicked off medicare, people with disabilities will be screwed over. that's not a hard political call far lot of people. the dynamics have changed and the politics have changed far lot of people as a result. >> jeff, do you buy a lot of democrats are saying this plan is going to hurt the very people who voted for donald trump? >> yeah. i think they are going to be saying that. to be perfectly candid, when
obamacare came in, i was running a column about a man on long island who lost his life to which his daughter attributed obamacare. there are lot of people who are angry about what happened when obamacare came into being. and politically speaking with all these conservatives, i've talked to some of them, margaret thatcher's old phrase about the socialist ratchet which is to say that liberal or labor governments and democratic governments move the country left then a republican comes in and basically sits on it until the next time and it keeps moving to the left, it's their job to move it back in the other direction. some of us see this ryan care package as the socialist ramp thaet's been moved by obamacare and they want to sit and hold onto the fort. they're opposed and want to fight it. i think donald trump's challenge, this is uniquely meant for him. >> do you call it ryan care or trump care? >> hugely unpopular.
knowing they don't have the votes, why are they rushing into having this vote on thursday? because they're staring at a congressional recess in a couple weeks and these republican leaders on capitol hill know if these numbers have to go and face their constituents like they did a month ago when you saw these town hall protests, that this bill is doa after the recess. they're trying to jam it through, fulfilling every criticism they made about obamacare in 2010. rushing it through, lack of bipartisan support, putting in pet provisions to buy off members in upstate new york. the longer it hangs out there, the longer it rots. >> congressman garrett was saying the republicans are talking about this is just the first leg of it, there's two other. garrett says he doesn't think they'll get to a second or third one after this is passed, they'll move on to other stuff. >> i think he has a really good point. first of all, the reason they're
doing it quickly is because of the budget. they want to do it under the budget bill so they can only pass wit a majority. part two and part three, if you can barely get this through, how are you going to get anything else through the senate where you're going you have to too break a fill buster? >> they have a theory. >> thaes ooh the land of the unbelievable. >> if they pass this legislation, part three, democrats will accept the fact that now that obamacare has been changed and the other legislative fixes they need will get some buy-in from democrats, that democrats will oppose it no matter what, but once it becomes law they might join hands and get those 60 votes in the senate. >> david. >> i have an unorthodox view about this. i think they made a mistake going first with this. they have gone with tax cuts and infrastructure because the most important thing to do is lift the economy. everything else flous from that.
they can survive a month back and manafort on health caaway f. if you push tax cuts and infrastructure way back, this is waylaid -- >> even trump seemed to make that argument last night. he said we have to do this obamacare now, then we'll ge to tax cuts. >> i think they'll get into tax cuts quickly. phases two and three, they need to start pushing those more. start making the democrats who are running in tough seats in 2018 start saying no why they oppose things selling insurance across state lines. they need to be putting the pedal to the metal and i don't think they're pushing the urgency. >> we don't know what's in part two and three and unless they're addressing the huge gaps for people on medicaid, unless it gives funding to planned parenthood, i don't think
democrats are rush to it. >> we have to take a break. the president finished speaking a short time ago a few blocks from here. a day after fbi director james comey reviewed. we'll tell you what he did not talk about next. guess what. ivanka trump has no official title in the white house or role, so why is she getting a top secret security clearance? something candidate trump said he would not do for any of his kids. americans - 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's complete with key nutrients we may need. plus heart-health support with b vitamins. one a day men's in gummies and tablets. guests can earn a how cafree night when theypring book direct on choicehotels.com and stay with us just two times? spring time. badda book. badda boom. or... badda bloom.
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fbi director james comey debunked president trump publicly. he did not say a word about it. more from jeff zeleny at the white house. the wiretap claims, has the white house said anything else about providing proof? >> reporter: they say they're standing by it, the president is, but if that's true not very loudly. they have not said anything about this at all this week. it's been rejected across washington from capitol hill to the fbi, every place but at the white house. press secretary sean spicer was asked about it today at the briefing. >> can we expect the president
to this week present evidence he was wiretapped by president obama or will he speak about it? he didn't mention it last night in his rally. >> right. let's see how the week goes. >> reporter: let's see how the week goes. hardly a fulsome response. but the president again has not deannounced this. they say he stands by it. we'll see if he ever explains what he was talking about. >> as of now i think the only thing he's explained was in an interview i think on fox in which he basically said he saw something on bret baer and talked about -- correct me if i'm wrong, talked about the "new york times" and we've discussed how "the new york times" did not report that. >> reporter: exactly. they did not report that. but he's not ever plied as john mccain and others asked him to. the question is about his credibility. he's trying to sell a major legislative agenda item, the health care bill, to congress. he has an approval rating of 37%. it eats away at his ability to
do that. certainly is making it more difficult for moderates to come on board and other things here. the question of credibility hangs over this white house, much more different than they thought it would be nine weeks in. >> jeff zeleny, thanks very much. back with the panel. gloria, the credibility issue is a huge one. we to go to trump rallies and the folks there are clearly behind him but the poll numbers are low. >> he's still popular with republicans i would have to say. during the campaign we heard a lot and they say you shouldn't take him literally, just seriously. when you're president of the united states, you need to be taken literally. your words matter not only to people who look to you in a time of crisis but also to foreign leaders abroad. and we saw last week that the courts took him literally when the courts quoted his interview
with you about the travel ban and muslims and the fbi director took him literally when he said that there was absolutely no evidence of what donald trump tweeted about barack obama. and so i think the public is going to have to start taking him literally because they need accountability. >> during the campaign, president trump said in a speech i will never lie to you, to the american people. lying implies intent. was he lying about this or did he actually believe president obama wiretapped him? can't get into his head but at a certain point when it's been proven time and time again what he said is false, whether it was a lie or whether it was just a mistake, and whether he believed it then, he certainly shouldn't believe it now and he should either president evidence that he has or apologize or at least say, you know what, i was wrong. >> a couple possibilities. one is i'm told there are times when things come out that nobody else believed but he actually believes is true.
and you can't shake him off it for whatever reason. >> after a while -- >> i agree. >> -- when you have the leverage of your government say, there's no proof of this -- >> i agree. there have been hints from the white house and from the chair, the republican chair of the house intelligence committee that there would be something more coming about surveillance, other kinds of surveillance by the end of the week or sometime next week. on that issue we have to give a little more time. but i think clearly it was a falsehood to say he was, quote, wiretapped. he wasn't. to the larger point, think about this. the classic study of presidential powers following richard newstat, no longer with us, he argued presidential power is the power to persuade. he said it depended on how much respect people had for your words and for you personally as president. even though he's holding with his base basically, i think his power to persuade has been badly eroded over the last 50 days. i think it's becoming much more
difficult to govern than it was. >> i think i'm a big fan of newstat and the theory but i think the country has changed to the point where the president doesn't have a lot of people he can persuade anymore. i think president obama faced this when sometimes he would go out and champion a piece of legislation and it would actually have the opposite effect because it would ally partisans on the other side. because ear so polarized, you have your base but you don't have that many people in the center or the other side of the aisle that you can't persuade. very much operates in that world. he has 80% to 90% among republicans and that seems that's the om thing that matters to him in this white house. it opportunity excuse him lying or not correcting the record -- >> if he were more open and reached out he would be more able to persuade. >> maybe. i remember when obama was going to gave speech on immigration in los angeles and all the democrats called him up and said please don't give the speech because it will drive away
republicans from the deal we want to cut. that's the sort of paradox of presidential persuasion. >> this is larger than pulling people in for a bill. >> yes. >> no question there's impact on the health care bill and his efforts but they have not faced a crisis yet. there hasn't been a national security crisis or a domestic crisis. that's the time you're the president for all people and should always be. you look at president bush during 9/11, president obama during the newtown time, people are looking for somebody to calm them, soothe them, deliver that speech from the oval office. i don't think he's positioned to do that right now and that's problematic for the country. >> i think when that moment comes that the president will be ready. look, i realize that the president's -- >> the country won't be ready to receive it. >> i think they will. i think -- i realize the president's communications style might ruffle the sensibilities of some of those in the quiet car on the acela train but the rest of the country -- >> huh? >> i think that -- that being
said, this administration knows what absolute success on the messaging front looks like when you go back to the speech to the joint session of congress last month, that was fantastic. even the most partisan democrats there were forced to stand and clap and they know these policies are going to be successful if the administration can stick with them and drive them. i think the neil gorsuch pick is fantastic, something that was on obviously this network quite a bit today. if they're sticking with the policies -- >> i would pig by gak off what you said, steven, to that speech and both houses of congress it wasn't necessarily the policies, sorry, jason, his tone but something that appealed to a lot of people. van jones saying he became the president tonight. he took a lot of heat for that. kind of stepped on it a day later and it didn't last long. but i think he has the capability of bringing people together. that's one of his -- >> just today when he did speak
out on this it was to save me from all of you. >> was that what it was? >> i think to be serious i notice democrats on the hill are saying they want to get paul manafort up there, go through the list of people. i had a comment in american spectator saying republicans should respond and ask for president obama to testify, ask for members of the obama white house staff, every other -- >> come on. >> -- staff member who had access to classified information because that is a serious question that the congress mapp touched on. >> the president's strength to date has been his impregnable base of support which despite the controversies in the last few weeks has kept him at least at 40% approval. i think you have three ingredients that are creating a situation where you might see the bottom fall out. you have the fbi director confirming the investigation which is going to create a permanent storm cloud, prop up an enduring story line of the president being under federal investigation. even if there's no underlying
collusion found, take it from me, it takes a toll over the course of many months. secondly, he's out there campaigning for a bill that completely drives a wedge with his core supporters in terms of what it would do. thirdly, if he fails to succeed in convincing house republicans to go away, it cuts away his calling card, his ability to negotiate the art of the deal. >> there are some democrats who are concerned that a lot of democrats are kind of putting all their eggs into this basket of collusion and if it turns out there's nothing there, there, what's the blowback on democrats? you say there may be blowback on democrats but still -- >> the outcome of what james comey did yesterday is going to be to key year to date a cloud for many mos and we don't have a time line for resolution. >> there are trump voters who didn't vote for him enthusiastically but they voted for him because they didn't like hillary clinton and they didn't trust hillary clinton.
this cloud raises the same kinds of questions about donald trump as does his temperament, and it could potentially drive away those trump voters. >> in terms of persuasion, he's starting to talk so much about the politics of the bill and what's going to happen if you don't do it and he's not selling the bill. in order to sail, you have to take this issue as obama learned, you have to convince the country, at least for a while that something like this is going to work. >> ivanka trump getting a new office in the white house in the west wing with a security clearance. the questions that's raising and more op her expanding role in the trump administration. unlike creams and rubs that mask the pain, thermacare has patented heat cells that penetrate deep to increase circulation and accelerate healing. let's review: heat, plus relief, plus healing, equals thermacare. the proof that it heals is you. the markets change... at t. rowe price... our disciplined approach remains. global markets may be uncertain...
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another break with tradition at the white house. ivanka trump known as one of her father's unofficial key advisers, the white house confirms she's get an office in the west wing, signaling her role is growing. you might remember on november 16th, following news reports his transition team was looking into security clearances for his adult children, he tweeted, i am not trying to get top level security clearance for my chirp. this was a typically false news
story. that was november. here's the latest. >> reporter: even though she won't have a formal title in the white house, ivanka trump will have something far more powerful -- top security clearance. it's a controversial move considering the oldest trump daughter has no government, national security, or foreign policy experience. >> thank you all very much. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> reporter: but for those who know her and her father it's not a surprise. the 35-year-old is a key cog in the white house inner circle. and she's been at his side in washington since he assumed the presidency. conducting roundtable discussions on women's issues with heads of state like canada's prime minister justin trudeau. >> i'm honored to be here. i'm really looking forward to hearing from each of you who serve as tremendous role models for women and so many other business leaders across both of our countries.
>> reporter: and germman chancellor angela merkel where she was present for another meeting on workforce issues. >> i want to thank everybody in the room, my daughter ivanka who's with us today. >> reporter: popping up regularly at trump appearances. >> ivanka is here right now and it is very special. >> reporter: getting a presidential shoutout at a february press conference. >> helping her and working her will be ivanka, who is a fabulous person and a fabulous, fabulous woman. they're not doing this for money, for pay, they're doing this because they feel it, both of them. >> reporter: like so much of the trump presidency, the arrangement is unprecedented. raising questions about conflicts of interest and the nature of her role itself. >> it is a very important that ivanka trump observe all of the ethics rules that everyone else does in the white house because
she is an employee, she is subject to those rules just like everybody else, regardless of whether she's getting paid or not. that is irrelevant. she has to follow the ethics rules. and i hope she does so. >> reporter: she has yet to speak about her evolving role or what it could entail. opting instead to showcase day-to-day activities either working with her kids or at the white house, via social media. and this father/daughter colleague family member relationship is uns predebprece. her exact position continues to drive speculation and more questions than answers. kate bennett, cnn, washington. >> back with some of our panel. one forgets how i guess the word is unique a situation this is. if hillary clinton was the president and chelsea clinton was attending meetings without a portfolio and getting a security clearance to the white house, would that have been considered normal? >> no. >> no.
>> but this isn't either. it's normal in terms of donald trump's world because he's always had ivanka trump by his side in business and she's a business partner as are his children, his adult children. and what's strange to me about this, though, is that she doesn't have a title. everybody who knows the turf in the white house, you need a title. she doesn't have one because she can be everywhere. and if i run the white house and you were talking about this during the break, that would make me pretty nervous just from -- >> you don't need a title when you're the president's daughter. >> that's what makes me nervous. >> if i was the working for a company and my boss' kids were there and they could walk into the office anytime and say whatever they wanted to boss, i just think it would be such a weird dynamic. >> there was a parallel with the clinton foundation when chelsea took a senior role there and it caused some intrigue.
this is very unusual. we vice president experienced in american politics a family taking over the white house. >> this happens in other countries where, you know, you go to the presidential palace and you get into the iper sanctum and it's the president and their cousin sitting around watching a soccer game. but kind of strapg to have it happen here. >> we've had presidential daughters who have been famous, not very often. toad di row svelte had alice, boisterous, wore huge hats, told the press famously, listen, i can either be president or i can manage alice but i can't do both. when franklin roosevelt was there, because eleanor was gone a lot, his daughter anna but around a lot. this is more like how a private company is run. >> she's sitting next to angela merkel -- >> exactly. i would give her a -- whatever helps him be a better president i think we ought to be for but i do question the national
security clearance. >> her husband has national security clearance so she now has national security clearance without any dlip year to daelin responsibilities aside from her interest in working women. she can be in on meetings that others in the white house can't be in on and she's impressivy to conversations with her father. if i were working in the white house i'd be wary of this and her power. >> i talked to a number of former chief of staffs, all saying to have these advisers without a real profile who are kind of age to go into meetings and leave and get into the president's ear and they're competing in different ways, is it the security clearance raise red flags for you? >> it comes with the capacity to read any cable that comes in. i just think there are -- we have to have more respect for
what the security clearances represent and that access to the nation's highest secrets. i think she's fine there to be as a general koups lcounselor b don't know why she would be at the table with the head chief of staffs. >> what about the ethics issues we haven't even touched, how divorced is she from her business and if she has that kind of security clearance. >> because jarrett has already agreed to the full ethics regimen and because obviously they're marriemarried, all her financial interests should through jarrett already -- >> the paperwork hasn't been filed on jared kushner. >> that should go through the office of government ethics like any other staffer. what you were hinting at with the former chief of staffs usually argue for a strong chief of staff and not a super top heavy white house. this white house is the most top heavy white house probably since like ford. you have about seven advisers at
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senator john mccape a short time ago. >> i have serious questions about some of the people around the presidential campaign. there are people with close ties to the russians and including an individual who was paid large sums of money by yanukovych, who was the russian stooge as the president of ukraine. >> talking about paul manafort? >> talking about mr. manafort, hi relations, talking about how in the republican platform the provision of providing lethal weapons to ukraine somehow disappeared. i think it requires further
investigation, absolutely. >> the fbi's investigating manafort over his consulting work in ukraine and possible links to russia. his name came up at the hearing yesterday. congressman jim hunt. >> director comey, did paul manafort ever register as a foreign agent under fara? >> not something i can comment on. >> whether he renl stred regist you can't comment on? >> no. >> he was donald trump's campaign manager in july of twix, correct? >> i don't want to get into answering questions about any individual u.s. person. it's obvious from the public record but i don't want to start down the road of answering questions about somebody. >> okay. well, i think the facts would show he never did register. but as the ranking member pointed out it should perhaps come as no surprise that the republican platform which was drafted at the republican convention in july of 2016
underwent a pretty significant change with respect to the american response to russia's illegal invasion of ukraine and their aggression in that country. it appears from our stand point that we had perhaps somebody who should have registered under fara pulling strings there. >> a ukrainian lawmaker has released a document he says proves manafort tried to hide payments he received from the owed ukrainian president through an offshore shell company. cnn has been unable to verify the document's authenticity. mr. manafort said through a spokesman he didn't recognize the document and the signature wasn't his. you wanted paul manafort co-come before the house intelligence committee. why? >> he and roger stone and a couple others like michael flynn had the bizarre commonality of having been senior, not what sean spicer says, not in a very
limited role but senior campaign manager or chairman with the trump campaign and ties to russia which first up usual in their intensity and depth, and secondaril secondarily, the kicker, that have been dissembled about, lied about in the case of michael flynn and any number of others. that doesn't prove anything but at least suggests we need to understand why they had those ties, why they felt the need to obfuscate about those ties and what it may mean in something that we're interested in as members of congress but the fbi announced yesterday they're interested in which is what does this mean for the trump campaign and russia? >> would it require a subpoena for paul manafort sp. >> that would be up to paul manafort and his lawyers. if we are to do a real investigation, we need to interview him. >> before you subpoena him. >> there are four or five people we must speak to. they may choose to not come
voluntarily, in which case we would need to issue a subpoena and the republican majority's permission to do that. of course if they don't want to speak, they have the right not to. that would be interesting in itself. >> manafort -- >> manafort, stone, michael flynn. we probably want to have a further conversation with jeff sessions. i don't believe he has the kind of deep and long-standing ties to russia the other people do, but, yeah, we should be able to talk to them. >> carter page? >> on that list, absolutely. >> you referenced this already. were you surprised when you heard sean spicer at the podium at the white house say that paul manafort had a very limited role for a very limited amount of time? >> i've run five campaigns. i don't know how you could convince anybody that your campaign chairman, that is a limited role. to you're talking about the little old lady who makes phone calls on your behalf, that's a limbed role.
campaign chairman is not. >> chief campaign strategist also in his title if i remember correct hi. you have sally yates is going to be testifying. do you know what you're interested in talking to her about? do you know what you're hoping to hear? >> i think sin as much as the hearing yesterday was a little bit of a blockbuster with james comey saying there is an investigation including links -- >> did that surprise you he went that far? >> it did. i expected him to put the lie to the idea that president obama wiretapped trump tower. i expected that. if news reports are to be believed he wanted to do that. the comprehensiveness of his disclosure with respect to what's in that investigation was a surprise to all of us i think. >> do you have an idea of how many hearings you'll need, how long -- obviously there's classified components -- how long it will go on? >> this will be necessarily frustrating to the american people. what happened yesterday and what
will happen next week with yates and brennan and clapper, that's really not essential to the investigation. what is essential to the investigation is the depositions that will occur if people like manafort, stone, others, flynn. behind closed doors sadly because at the end of the day the american people need to understand what happens p that's where we'll learn what happened. a lot of what we're talking about is classified and can't be open. >> at the end of all of this, there isn't anything there. nothing can be proven. there's been this cloud over the presidency and the white house. are you concerned as a democrat that this has blowback on the democrats? >> there's enough circumstantial evidence. we have a president who will attack everybody from meryl streep to cast of "hamilton" to mexico to australia. he will attack everybody but he in the face of -- >> when you say it like that, it's surreal. >> no matter what vladimir putin does, he can violate the inf
nuclear treaty, do what he's ha political opponents. not only doesn't critical size putin for doing that, sort of holding him harmless. that's interesting in of itself. then you have all of these connections. at the end of the day, if this is just a bunch of people showing radically bab judgment, maybe that's all there is. if that happens at a minimum we say to ourselves, this was a bizarre moment in history when the president of the united states for the first time in our history wouldn't stand up against an antagonistic power, donald trump is strangely silent about that. if this turns up to be a series of bad judgments, that what it will be. they've given us plenty of circumstantial evidence to at least ask the question sgls i appreciate your time. thank you very much. how al qaeda may have
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