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that's it for us. thanks for watching. time to hand over to don lemon. "cnn tonight" starts right now. breaking news, late night on capitol hill with the gop's health care bill hanging in the balance. this is "cnn tonight," i'm dmchlt thanks for joining. do or die time. hours to go before house votes on plan to repeal and replace
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obamacare. paul ryan working hard, donald trump warning republicans they could lose seats if they fail. and all the president's men, paul manafort, michael flynn, roger stone to name a few. do they have ties to russia and will they come back? get to cnn reporter nia-malika henderson. and -- and david axelrod. nia start with you. walk us through the changes made to the health care bill. who are they aimed at winning over and are more changes coming here? >> if you listen to president trump says more changes coming. in some ways not something that paul ryan necessarily wants to hear but music to people in the house freedom caucus who want to see more done in terms of
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medicaid, one of the changes is allow medicaid states to grant the funding. important to the freedom caucus as well. change being made in terms of how medicaid is funded in new york. upstate new yorkers want the state to foot the bill rather than the counties. that's aimed at getting those folks to support the bill. my thinking on thursday is it's hard to imagine paul ryan will bring this to the floor without knowing he's going to pass this thing. 48 hours to go. imagine will be arm twisting and horse trading in the meantime but i think it's hard to think that we get to thursday, the anniversary of obama's passing this thing back in 2010, symbolic date for obama, and going to be symbolic i think for republicans as well.
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remember, this is all they've been about for seven years, repealing and replacing obamacare. >> as i said, do or die. it's show time. selling this to the investors. whether they will buy, we'll see on thursday. but again show time. president trump is addressing the bill at dinner for congressional republicans tonight. listen to that. >> the house bill ends the obamacare nightmare and gives health care decisions back to the states and back to the american people. these are the conservative solutions we campaigned on. and these are the conservative solutions the american people asked us as a group to deliver. we are keeping our promises. >> and you can see the president sticking to the written script there, not going off that script. show you latest whip count.
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shows that 19 republicans are definite nos, seven others likely. gop can lose no more than 21 votes. do you think he's going to be able to get this done? paul ryan is not going to bring it to the floor unless it's sure thing. >> most presidencies, the president would succeed. early in the administration, usually a honeymoon feeling about things. party wants to give him an early victory, so isn't stumbling out of the gate with legislation. lot to suggest that the president would likely win this. but such unusual year with president's own approval ratings at historic lows for any new president. 65% or 70% approval, i could guarantee you that president trump would have a victory on thursday. but at 37 or 38%, doesn't have that persuasive power. don't see cards and letters coming into congress, hear outcry from the public.
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if anything people showing up at town halls been against this. want to keep obamacare in preference to this. going to be a close call. very important point in the presidency in terms of leadership of the congress and getting big things done. >> david? >> well, look. i think it's not just that he's at 37, 38% approval but the bill itself is at 34% approval. there just isn'tcy consensus in the country behind this bill so yes the republicans have said for seven years going to repeal and replace but devil is in the details and now that the details are here, they're not very welcome as has been bruted about quite a bit. lot of the impact falls on older americans, rural communities, low income working-class voters, the very people who formed the base of donald trump's support.
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and legislators who represent those areas are aware of that. the bill doesn't go far enough for people on the republican right in terms of dismantling the aaffordable care act affordable care act, it goes too far for suburban moderates, couple of dozen representatives from suburban districts concerned about what it does for medicaid. great deal of concern on both sides of the republican family if it were. more like simpsons than a normal family. lot of fighting going on there. >> okay. >> at the end of the day, i think this is a heavy lift. and argument that paul ryan is making and trump is making to the republicans is you promised this, you're going to get punished if you don't do it. keep it going. don't kill it here. keep it going.
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we can fix it within the process. problem is lot of people in the house don't trust the senate to make it better from their perspective. >> interesting, at least it's not married with children tlt. >> it's the simpsons. but telling members if you don't pass this, probably won't have your seat two years from now. is that a good tactic to take do you think? >> it's a purely political tactic. this is an argument about the policy details or what the republican party stands for for conservative approach to health, it's very much a bottom line, almost scare tactic. him essentially saying you better have my back or i'll be in your district. you can imagine that president trump is someone -- >> is that unusual? >> i think it is. yes. david talking about this. usually have people wanting to
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line up behind the president, certainly president threatening members of his own party that he would campaign against them? it's odd thing. and republican party hasn't had a real philosophy in terms of health care or at least one that includes government intervention with health care, what you have here with the way the program is set up. vestiges of obamacare going to stay as part of the law, angering lots of conservatives who want it ripped out. >> this much arm twisting with obamacare? david gergen, then axelrod. >> please go ahead. >> i was there. i can tell you that that was a lengthy process. it died a thousand deaths along the way. and in certain ways they're mirroring that process because what happened was you had
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progressives, liberals in the house who thought that the bill the senate passed hadn't gone far enough. senators who thought the bill was too expensive and generous. they couldn't reconcile. among democrats. only at end when it was absolutely clear to the house that the only opportunity for them was to accept the senate bill with amendments through reconciliation that they grudgingly got on board. seeing some of the same tug and pull as here. don't remember drk i do remember the press going to members saying this is why we ran for office. sold the bill on its merits. didn't make a purely political argument. he knew there were dangerous politics soerkted with the bill but said we have the opportunity to do something big for the american people and the future, this is why we all ran for
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office. lot different from saying i'm going to be in your business if you don't support it. >> do you think move it from thursday? >> i think take up to the brink to try to bring the last voters in with a lot of pressure behind the scenes and if they don't have the votes, pull it, won't go to vote on thursday. right on the brink if they don't have votes pull back to the drawing board to try to get something else done. one of the things you face here, i worked for bill clinton trying to get health care through, this is really hard work. very -- seven presidents tried to get national health care. president obama the first to succeed, and now his success looked bigger than ever because now an eighth president struggling with it. so i do think in retrospect they
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should have thought a lot more about the policy and getting that right. having something they could take to the country. turning point in all of this when the report came from the congressional budget office saying that 23 or 24 million people would be without insurance in 2026. that's huge. and don it's so interesting, just learned in last 24 hours that congressional budget office says if you let this bill -- obamacare, just die, have more people with insurance than if you repeal and replace. isn't that amazing? >> very interesting predicament. stand by. i said in the beginning of the segment, glad to have you all but david axelrod, you've been traveling. it's been tough in the white house. health care bill in dire straits. two failed travel bans. fbi director comey contradicting
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the wiretapping claims. you've been there. what do you think of all of this? >> i know and david has been in white houses in times of political crisis. you really feel under siege. it's important to keep your wits about you. truth of the matter is, yes has problems not going to go away we learned more about on monday. on the other hand if they do pass this health care bill, whatever you think of it, and do get judge gorsuch through the committee and on the bench, then things will look a little bit different. you've got to sort of keep your wits about you and not panic. but having said all that, this is an extraordinarily dark time 60 days into an administration. >> comey is saying there is no information that supports trump's wiretapping claims. does president trump owe president obama and the american
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people an apology? >> well he may owe them one but not going to give one. that's pretty clear. not part of his makeup or character. he never backs up. i think don you went through a litany of things last night on which he made claims that were plainly not true and hasn't backed up an any of them. not the way he operates. he will pay a price for it. a reason he is at 37 and 38% now. that's part of the reason. i think if ivanka trump achieves nothing but to get that cell phone away from her father, she will have done a great service to him and this administration. >> i think everyone is in agreement on this panel. >> she's in the west wing now. >> untitled position. very interesting. one more question before we get out of here. also found out yesterday that -- keep saying both presidential
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candidates under investigation during the campaign. yes. but on election day only one candidate under investigation and only people who knew it were the people investigating. american people went to the polls not knowing that candidate trump was under investigation. what do you think about learning that now david axelrod? >> well, think a lot of democrats are angry about that. what jim comey said was those investigations of hillary clinton were complete by election day, and he spoke in july when they had completed their investigation. the investigation into trump was just beginning and he didn't feel like he could speak about that. the problem with jim comey and this whole episode is he seems to be making rules up as he goes along to try to figure out how to protect his agency. made a series of judgments about
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when to speak and when not to speak. maybe with good intentions but gotten himself in lot of hot water and raised questions like the one you just did, rife with the question whether he was in fact a player in the election. lot of democrats believe he was. >> david gergen? >> i have a great deal of respect for jim comey coming into all of this, i do think he made a mistake not disclosing both investigations at the same time rather than disclosing hillary clinton investigation and not the other. i think this notion that somehow one was closed and other was not is spurious. as i recall when he went back and said we were looking -- well he said few days before the election, we're looking at some new e-mails. went public with that. and said that's because we kept the investigation open. it wasn't closed really, it was still open. just weren't doing very much
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with it. i think he should have come with both or none. >> nia before we go ask you, the president's reputation now in washington, where do we stand with that? not many people will tell you on camera how they feel. but behind the scenes his credibility. >> there's self-created drama around the wiretapping and credibility and pettiness around the issue and inability for him to get past it. as you can tell from the white house, sean spicer's briefing today, they're not going to let this go. not going to get apology from this white house. seems to be president trump's new favorite conspiracy theory in many ways. but i do think you can turn the page on this if you're donald trump on thursday if they start to look like a win on the health care bill and looks good in the senate and tax reform, then all
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bets are off in terms of people souring, republicans, on this white house because again they've seen him as someone to sign their agenda and get all the things they wanted to do over the years done. if he's able to do that, some of the issues won't matter. >> still has to answer to the american people and think the media will hold him accountable for that. i think we should. thank you all. coming back. toughest opponents on health care may be conservative members of his own party. talk to the congressman who thinks they can kill the bill next. sweet those who prefer heat. sfx - a breath of air and those who just love meat. oscar mayer deli fresh. sweet!
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members of the house freedom caucus oppose the gop health care bill and believe they have enough votes to stop it. moe brooks of alabama is part of the caucus, he joins me now. thanks for joining me. >> my pleasure. >> sean spicer says there is nothing more conservative than this bill. >> i respectfully disagree with sean spicer in this major context. what you're looking at and what we're asked to do is vote for the largest republican welfare program in the history of the republican party. difficult to portray that as conservative. particularly in order to give it to one group of people either raise taxes and forcibly take it from other people or increase
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premiums for folks paying their own way or worse yet steal from kids or grandkids borrowing money to jeopardize america and future of kids and grandkids and under mine what to took us years to build. >> what can can you do to fix? >> keep promise to the american people. simple two page bill that repeals obamacare. effective whatever date is necessary for appropriate transition time. second interject competition into the health care industry, particularly the health insurance market. repeal of exemptions that some enjoy by permitting or expressly allowing and barring states that limit the ability of insurance companies to compete across state lines. that kind of competition i think will help foster better pricing
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for the customers and i'm a strong believer in states' rights. would like to see us disseminate the power from the federal government to the 50 states. if going to put in money at federal level, then block grant that to the states on per capita citizen basis and let the states experiment with the best way to provide health care to their citizens. and if they want to complement, and if new york and california like obamacare that much, legislature pass it and have it in their state. >> if they want their plan, they can keep their plan. >> exactly. >> full sale mode right now. watch that now. >> president trump was here to do what he does best, close the deal. >> yeah.
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he's great. good salesman. hard sell on. riffing and having fun. 30 or 40 minutes going over all the issues in the world. >> do you think that's going to work with your colleagues? >> president trump is personable. had a good rapport but at some point, no matter how good of a salesman you have, you have to have a good product. this is not a good product. i don't think that the white house participated in the for formulation of this policy to large degree. i think it was house republican leadership that did it. all subsumed in the underlying thought that we're smart enough in washington, d.c., to control the decision making process for all americans as they purchase health care or doctors disseminate it. i believe in liberty and freedom and think the american people are smart enough to figure it
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out if we take the heavy jack boot of federal government off their necks. let freedom rule in this instance. >> latest whip count, 19 republicans, definite nos. seven others, likely nos. can't lose more than 21. republican leaders arguing this is the last and best shot to repeal and replace obamacare. do you think you'll get another chance? will it pass and will you get another chance if it doesn't? >> situation is fluid. house leadership is engaging in full-court press. i don't know how persuasive they'll be but hard numbers closer to excess of 30. >> excess of 30 nos? >> 30 nos as of this afternoon. we had talked with each other and made commitments that we can
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hopefully rely on. understanding you still have 36 or 48 hours before we have to vote. >> would you like to see them move the date? >> i would like to see them change the legislation. >> to work on it. >> what is important is changing the legislation. there is a significant chance what you'll see is more deal making to make the legislation more financially responsible and more in accord with the freedom and liberty principles of the country. if successful going to get more conservatives who believe in freedom and liberty to be on board. in the absence of that be difficult for the house leadership to get the votes to pass a bad piece of legislation. >> a lot of people come here not as candid as you are. appreciate you coming on. >> it's enjoyment to be on your show having watched you many hours. you do excellent job. >> appreciate it.
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campaign manager paul manafort facing new questions about links to ukraine's former president, ally of russia. on the heels of the fbi director confirming that the agency is investigating possible collusion between trump's campaign and russia. tome foreman with the story. >> we don't know many details of what the fbi is considering in the look into the so-called russian connection but do have idea about some of the people they're scrutinizing. >> how many peopleva to say there's nothing there before you realize there's nothing there. >> administration is moving fast to put distance between president trump and man with the key interest in the russian hacking investigation. paul manafort. >> been discussions of paul manafort, limited role for limited amount of time. >> campaign chairman from may to midaugust last year, overseeing
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staff, budget and dismiss early claims by democrats that russian hackers targeted their party's computers to tilt the election trump's way. >> getting desperate early in the day. >> but lawmaker in ukraine says he's discovered new document in office where manafort worked as he advised former ukrainian president. says the paper looks like invoice for $750,000 in computer parts allegedly signed with manafort's name. spokesman says he does not recognize the document and it's not his signature and cnn can't verify the authenticity of the invoice but if it is legitimate to dovetail with the black ledger, a long list last fall that purports to through millions in payments alongside manafort's name. lawmaker believes money could be
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for undisclosed services paid for through the ukrainian president's party. >> money not just for him but for his activities as well. foyer campaign activity, in technical issues. active as spin doctor. high amount of money but for ukrainian corrupt politicians, not that much. >> why? because the former ukrainian president, manafort's client, was a kremlin ally. manafort dismisses any suggestion there was money coming in to get prorussian politician into the white house. >> why is it absurd?
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>> it's crazy. >> when reports came out that the trump m camp pushed republican party flort to ease up on russians manafort pushed back. >> i guarantee you -- nobody from the trump campaign wanted that change in the platform? >> no one. zero. >> amid the latest developments manafort's recent statement, in part i had no role or involvement in the cyberattack on dnc, spoken with any russian officials or anyone who claimed to be involved, suggestion that i ever worked to undermine the interests of the united states is false. yet investigators keep look at chain of connections from president trump to paul manafort to former president of the ukraine to moscow and wondering if can find anything nefarious along the way or what the white
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house insists is there, only a witch hunt. don. >> tome fo foreman. bring in carl bernstein and john dean, former counsel to the nixon white house. steal the line you told me. said we have more collective knowledge of watergate in this show than anybody else. you were general counsel, what do you think of this situation? >> as somebody been involved in cover-up on the inside, has an awful lot of the sound and look and feel of cover-up. not people zloedisclosing. denying, dissembling on many facts. getting caught on of? those. carl as former investigative report i suspect would whet his chops on this. looks like cover-up going on.
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>> carl? >> i don't think there's any question there is a cover-up and people in the fbi will tell you that's going on involving a fair number of people. the question is what is being covered up and we don't know. how might that go to donald trump or not go to donald trump. we don't know. associates of donald trump -- the piece we just saw very focused just on manafort. there's a constellation of people and fbi is looking at question of whether or not the hacking of the dnc, e-mails of john podesta, whether people around donald trump had prior knowledge of the e-mails. there's some evidence that roger stone did but i think we need to look at whole question of what is under investigation here and it's a big ticket. nothing quite so small as straight line from manafort to the kremlin. it's a lot wider than that. >> let's talk about how people in washington are reacting.
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particularly republicans. john mccain was -- my colleague manu raju caught up with him. he has concerns about paul manafort. >> i have serious questions about some of the people around the presidential campaign. there were people with close ties to the russians. and -- including an individual paid large sums of money by john cove itch, the russian stooge. president of the campaign. >> paul manafort. >> and his relations. >> you know that john mccain has been long critical of president trump's affinity towards russia but fact is we're hearing this from a key republican lawmaker. that's key in itself. >> it is surprising. it is encouraging that somebody on the hill is taking a little
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distance and not being simply a shield for the white house at this point. by and large the republicans are giving the white house an awful lot of cover. but the senator is not. nor is lindsey graham. it's nice and refreshing. also seen a little bit of movement on the house side. a few republicans beginning to question this. it's not deep there at all. >> carl, i talked to you about this, hoping to have you on yesterday, but i have you today. president trump attacked the media in tweets, does it all the time. calling the media fake news. head of the comey hearing. this is nixon taking on the media. >> i have never heard or seen such outrageous reporting in 27 years of public life. don't get the impression that you roused my anger. >> i have that impression.
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>> one can only be angry with those he respects. >> so nothing has been found yet right? but plenty of presidents have had it out with the press. does this feel like it did in watergate? is this watergate 2.0 carl? >> first of all nixon tried to make the issue in watergate the conduct of the press rather than the conduct of the president and his men. to a large extent donald trump is doing the same. have to look at couple of fundamental differences. we live in a different age than watergate, we have a political system that basically doesn't work. worked at time of watergate. 77-0 vote by senate of the united states to undertake investigation into the president of the united states and his activities. nothing similar to that happen now, no such bipartisan
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approach. other difference is, i think that richard nixon was a far more dangerous man than donald trump. we have two very different characters we're talking about here. yes we are talking about a possible conspiracy, certainly involving people around the president while he was a candidate, before he was the president. perhaps or perhaps not involving the president, although we don't have any solid evidence of that at this point. but a very different situation. richard nixon was a capable, able man who understood history, understood the institutions of the united states government. we don't have that with donald trump. we now have a president of the united states who has accused his presidered sers in outrageo of lying -- we have a serial compulsive liar as president of the united states. richard nixon was a criminal president. lied to cover up his criminality. but i think it's very different
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than when you have someone like trump who lies in a way we've never seen a president of the united states lie routinely. make things up out of whole cloth. have a press secretary who himself invents things or goes along with the crazy inventions of the president. very different. >> lying about the lies that they lied about is how the saying goes. john, carl talked about roger stone. president trump's association with these men. connections with russia. manafort, flynn, roger stone, all denied any collusion but how problematic is this now? >> stone has slowly backed off from some of his denials and admitted more things. we know roger is somebody who prides him sflt on being a dirty trickster. amazing. i find it amazing anyone would have a tattoo of richard nixon on their back.
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strikes me a gear might have shifted somewhere in there. but i think that stone is certainly capable of doing anything. i don't buy his denials. he's been with trump for many, many years. tried to encourage him to run for president. then he had a falling out once he did because he wouldn't follow his advice. roger is a deep conspiracy theorist. alternative views of most major historical events and i'm sure he's very uncomfortable being in a real conspiracy right now and i think he is. >> you mentioned tattoo, and location is interesting as well. makes a difference. john if you were advising the president, what would you advise him? >> lawyer up. he's got a rookie white house counsel who i don't think has deep criminal law experience and that's how the mistakes were made at nixon white house. i remember warning erlickman early i had no criminal law experience and he brushed it
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aside. one of the early mistakes we made. that's what they need to be doing. >> one similarity between watergate and don't go too far. >> quickly carl. >> nature of some of these people. flynn, stone, others, off the reservation, not considered very solid folks, a little bit like hunt and liddy, the watergate burglars. not going to say criminally like them but in terms of being people who have reputation of not quite thinking in very straight line. similarity here. >> dean and bernstein, it's 1974 all over again. >> no it's not. do not go there. >> interesting to talk to you guys. >> don't go there. >> thank you gentlemen. coming back, what paul manafort told me when i talked to him during the campaign.
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the feeb director james comey confirms his agents are investigating whether there was coordination between trump campaign aides and moscow. sean spicer trying to rewrite
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history. listen. >> even general flynn was a volunteer of the campaign. and then obviously discussion of paul manafort who played a very limited role for a limited amount of time. >> let's discuss now "washington post" contributor sally quinn here. founding editor of on faith. matt lewis and jason miller and carl bernstein is back with us. don't want to fight tonight. let's be on best behavior. sally, you heard sean spicer say paul manafort had a limited role in the campaign. we all know it's not true. what do you make of this attempt to create distance between these guys and the president? >> one of the things that's fascinating to me, talking earlier about the difference between this and watergate, these guys don't know how to cover up. so it all seems very inept.
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for them to say he no role in the campaign is ridiculous. of course he was the campaign manager. how could he possibly say that. >> chairman. >> he was chairman. so if you are going to make something up, or trying to cover something up, don't say something blatantly false that it can be proven by everyone. of course that's what's been happening all along anyway. i think we're all used to that. in terms of what do i make of it? finally even though it's not funny, i have to laugh. >> as you know, my saying it's not funny but it's laughable, there is a difference there. >> exactly. >> jason. i interviewed paul manafort on this show last may and on "new day" when i filled in and erin's show. but while he was still campaign
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convention manager a week before promoted to campaign chairman. look at this. >> he's incredible candidate. his personality is just gigantic. he's smart. understands how to communicate things that people relate to and he's got the courage not to let conventional wisdom or political correctness get in the way of his connection to the people. great quality. >> does it become frustrating. does he listen to you saying not to call elizabeth warren or bernie sanders something. does he listen? >> listens to my opinion, processes it. we have a good working relationship. >> forgotten about some of the things he had said. been such a long time. not really though. jason. good working relationship. does the white house do more harm than good by squirming out
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of the facts? worked for limited time. he's there six months. >> i'm not going to get into the business of qualifying his work on the campaign. it's pretty clear what the public record was as far as his activity and involvement. one of the things i can talk to is what we're seeing here, fact we've seen zero evidence of any collusion between the trump campaign and foreign officials. folks like clapper and moerel and nunez coming out. >> that's what is known as pivot. >> answering the question directly and said not going to get into the qualifying. >> i'm letting you finish. that was good pivot. you answered question and went on. that's allowed. >> if i wanted to tune into some fiction involving russia, pop over to another network and watch "the americans" but fact of the matter is supposedly watching this for eight months
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and put nothing forward it's disservice to the presidency. put up or shut up. something there, put it out. >> having said that carl, why try to rewrite history and limit amount of time or how much contact or role that paul manafort played in the campaign? >> first of all, right about the question but where mr. miller went is where nobody ought to be. fbi is conducting investigation. mr. clapper has since said he was talking about what the state of things was january 20th when he last looked at it. things are have moved on. i think you know that. there is a major fbi investigation with new information focused in part on manafort and stone. >> what is new information? >> again. let's see what happens. >> no. >> can i finish? >> you're throwing out baseless
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nonsense. >> no. let me finish if i may. let the fbi do its investigation, let's find out what the facts are. they need time. we do know there have been a -- a search is under way to see if there was prior knowledge by mr. flynn, manafort, stone of wikileaks release of the podesta e-mails. don't know the answer to that question unless you do. which i would love to hear. i think there are many things which we need to know and let's slow down and find out the facts. >> carl hold on. sally raising your hand politely. thank you. not used to it. >> continue to be polite. what i would like to say is that there is ongoing investigation. >> we just learned about yesterday. that's new. >> that carl just pointed out and we all learned about yesterday. that is the truth. that cannot be denied by
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anybody. and the problem with this is, what i do not understand is that if there is nothing to hide, i would think that donald trump would say, you know what, let's get all the special prosecutors, every investigator, put everybody we have on this case and we will put it to rest because there is no truth to anything. and if there is -- that is what i don't understand. >> well put. >> if you look back at other investigations, what happens to the administration when you have ongoing investigation like this and just look at bill clinton, what happened after monica, the last two years of his administration basely were just hopeless because he couldn't get anything, squandered because he was so completely consumed by those investigations. look what happened to richard nixon. years watergate. >> on your own. you have to jum in. >> only witch the two sh the tw
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the time and effort into finding out who is it leaking the classified information which is the real crime. >> i have something to say about that. people who scream the loudest about the leaking are the leakers. >> that's it. >> and their staffers are also the leakers. it really makes me laugh when these people start screaming and yelling about laerkz. had fbi people come to my house about confirmation hearing and wanted me to tell them information. no. this is all confidential. are you kidding? where do we get our information? from guys like you. it's ridiculous. >> when i hear about the leakers, someone who tweeted yesterday, paraphrasing, the house is on fire, the president is running around with a box of matches, and the republicans are up on the hill saying who called the fire department. >> we know that people leak
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classified information. zero proof and nothing put forward of any collusion. >> matt? >> i would use a different analogy don. i would use a different analogy. if somebody robs a bank and then the police catch that person but then the police don't read them miranda rights and then the people -- then the police beat a confession out of them, we have two issues to deal with. two legitimate problems to deal with. i don't think that focusing on the concern about leaks is misdirection necessarily. i think it's a valid concern. shouldn't overwhelm. >> would you have deep throat arrested and prosecuted? >> possibly. would have to look into it. but i would not go after woodward and bernstein. that i can tell you. >> thanks. >> but the leaks are a diversion. total. the main story here is there is
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an investigation going on. >> i have to go. >> and we need to get the information. >> with no evidence. >> thank you so much. matt got to speak a little bit. with this crowd got to force your way in. i can't help you. appreciate it. we'll be right back. and i was worried about joint damage. my doctor said joint pain from ra... can be a sign of existing joint damage... that could only get worse. he prescribed enbrel to help relieve pain and help stop further damage. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. tell your doctor if you've been someplace where fungal infections are common or if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for... heart failure, or if you have persistent... fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. don't start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu.
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presidential fact and fiction. wiretapping. vladimir putin, size of the crowd at inauguration. president trump seems to be operating from his own set of facts. but will that thinking that made him business succession and won him the white house undermine the president's faith in the presidency? and ivanka trump moving into the west wing. raise red flags? get to my guests. kevin madden and andre bauer. good evening to all of you. kevin. start with you. white house not backing down from the wiretapping claims even he though the fbi director told the american


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