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they broke the story with our justice reporter. what are you learning? >> anderson, the fbi has information that indicates associates of president trump communicated with suspected russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to hillary clint clinton's campaign. james comey made a bombshell announcement monday before congress that the fbi is investigating the trump campaign's ties to russia. the fbi is reviewing the information that includes human intelligence, travel and phone records as well as accounts of in person meetings according to the people we spoke with. they are raising suspicions of counter intelligence that the coordination may have taken place, though officials cautioned that this information was not conclusive and the investigation is ongoing. the fbi would not comment nor would the white house. the trump officials denied any evidence of collusion. >> this gives more insight as to
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what director comey knew when he spoke on monday. >> that's right. if you recalled in addition comey saying that the investigation includes looking at connections of trump associates, he also explained what it means that the investigation is being done. take a listen. >> don't you need some action or some information besides just attending a meeting having been paid to attend a conference before you are open to investigation for counter intelligence by the fbi? >> the standard is a couple different at play. incredible allegation of wrong-doing or an america may be acting as an agent of a foreign power. >> they said it suggests people were in contact and it appeared they were giving the thumbs up to release information when it was ready and other officials
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said it's premature to draw the inference that they gathered so far. at this point it's largely circumstantial. the fbi cannot yet prove that collusion took place. but the information suggesting collusion is a large part of the focus of this investigation according to the officials we talked to. >> what sort of coordination is under investigation? >> we are told mostly the fbi is focused on the stolen and published e-mails including the dnc at clinton's campaign with john po defta. it was not drawn by the leaked dossier compiled by the former british intelligence official for trump's political opponents, though it suggested coordination. >> do we know who is being investigated? the sources would not say who is connected to trump that is being investigated here, but we know that the fbi was already
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investigating four former trump campaign associates. michael flynn, paul manford and carter page known to u.s. intelligence. all four have denied improper contacts. we have obstacles and they find the conclusive evidence and the communication between trump associates and the russians have seized given all the public focus on the ties in the trump campaign and the russian officials have changed the methods of communications making monitoring that much more difficult according to the officials we talked to. >> thanks very much. i want to bring in the political analyst and karl bernstein. the author and cnn terrorism analyst and formerly a cnn official and cnn political
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director. maggie. you just heard that reporting that seemed to underscore why the fbi is investigating. >> it continues to suggest -- two things are happening. that suggests that there is a basis for what the fbi is doing and why they are trying to get to what was at the heart of these contacts. the second piece is that you have a chess game going on where you have nunez from the house committee, the republican chairman tell reporters that there is intelligence that suggests that trump campaign aides may have been intercepted in ways that trump had suggested that this was ordered by president obama which he contended. we now get more information. the russia question remains unsolved. what exactly we are looking at the scope of this and the figures involved and looking at communications and travel.
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it sounds like in meetings. we basically knew this was becoming a low grade fever that shows no sign of breaking for the administration. that's very challenging as you go on. in a campaign or administration. they are trying to do something legislative and this white house has a habit of creating all kinds of self inflicted wounds. this is deeply troubles for them. >> whether it's a low grade fever of information coming out, how significant is this information we are learning? there is plenty of smoke and no fire. >> we all know as the fbi director said on monday, this investigation is about looking into possible coordination. that's the ball game here at the end of the day. whether or not they are there means whether or not there is provable coordination between the trump campaign and russian associates to help him win and defeat hillary clinton. this reporting is a step in that
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direction. it's not good for the trump administration. both president trump and sean spicer as recently as monday were asked this question directly about whether or not they were aware if president trump was aware of any of his associates talking to russian officials and he is on record saying no, not at all. he is on record saying paul manford denied it and russia is a ruse. >> let me play that sean spicer saying that for our viewers. >> now that we know there is an ongoing investigation by the fbi, does the president stand by his comments that he is not aware of the contact that his associates had with the rugs duri -- russians during the election? >> yes. to be clear -- i'm trying to think through this because general flynn -- again and i'm
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not aware of any at this time. even general flynn was a volunteer of the campaign and there has been discussion of paul manford who played a limited role for a limited amount of time. >> can you stop interrupting other people's questions. somebody is asking a questioning. julie is asking a question. calm down. >> are you saying the president is aware of contacts? >> nothing that has not been previously discussed. i don't want to make it look like we are not aware. >> it is telling that they are distancing themselves. he was everywhere. >> they erased the five-month president for a big chunk of
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that time. it hasn't been discussed and about alleges coordination here. this is going to continue a& wht exactly did the president know or when did he know it? >> you worked with the fbi and cia. this was the information you were seeing and what would your next move see? >> announcing the investigation and i would be telling the counter intelligence guys to take your time. when this goes public regardless of whether the fbi decides to bring charges or not, this will be picked over even more. if you are in a leadership position, the first thing you have to do is cross every t. this is not about suspicions of contacts, but whether you can prove in a court of law. the second thing we have not
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talked about, let me be clear. this is not about whether there was contact or collusion between trump officials and the russians. this is about whether someone lied to a federal officer during the investigation. there were contacts whether they were legal or not and told the federal investigators something else. that will tick people off and furthermore, that is a federal violation. >> it's a crime. and the facts in the case and they are murky and what people have said a long time. >> does tonight's reporting raise and opening here. >> i have been saying for a while. there is a cover up going on and the cover up is along those who worked in the trump campaign and associates of trump. it's now becoming much more clear that they have been concealing which are these
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contacts which revolve around leaked e-mails from po defta's account. the questions i want to know is of the white house. why cannot the president of the united states and sean spicer and others instead of pushing back against the investigations say we want to get to the bottom of this. we want to open up everything. i, the president of the united states, want to call these people in and ask them what is this all about? what we are seeing is push back, smoke screens and an attempt to keep away from what really happened here by the president of the united states, by sean spicer. that raises a whole set of additional questions. >> it's not just smoke screens. it's diversions and shiny objects and allegations against the clinton campaign having contact with russia. it will be interesting to see how president trump and sean spicer responds to the later report. they pointed out that clapper
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didn't see conclusionive intelligence. he clarified he was referring to before january 20th and that's still ongoing. >> a week and a half ago, sean spicer said we will have nothing further to say. he was talking about the president's allegation and surveillance against him. either as a candidate or during the transition. the two things have been tethered together and spicer has continued to comment on it. including today where he read a litany of allegations and related facts about the clintons. the election is over. at a certain point it will be hard for the white house to pivot to either the candidate or the media is out to get us. they are either going to have to say to carl's point the president has not expressed much concern or worry that a foreign entity did meddle according to
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the intelligence community in the election he won. he sees it as delegitimizing, but there is a broader problem and the white house has been undisciplined about this and had contradictory messages. >> the president, sean spicer has talked about leaks. they have not shown the same enthusiasm for trying to get to the bottom -- sean spicer's comments have been along the lines of if they want to, go ahead. >> the leaks are frustrating and consuming to the west wing. they are grading and troubling to the president and i heard from several people. and they are finding a way to deal with it. some of it because of the newness in this president and a leaky bureaucracy that he cannot control. he is used to having full control as a candidate. some of this is the information that is not a great fact set and they have not figured out how to deal with it.
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>> i don't want to draw the watergate analogy substantively, but the heroes of watergate were republicans in the house and the senate who wanted this investigated to the bottom and what did the president know and when did he know it? howard baker from tennessee. that's what we are not seeing here. we are not seeing it from the republicans on the hill who are consumed by supposedly looking for leaks. many of the same republicans decrying the leaks are those who have leaked classified information themselves on other information. others can attest to it. i certainly can look at the benghazi inquiry. the smoke screens instead of united states hearing that we want to get to the bottom of this from republicans. the white house is becoming
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transition. >> what's more, some of names were unmassed and done improperly. it later turns out he made that announcement without telling the congress person. then the white house press secretary sean spicer would tell him what he said and said it's all news to him. >> there is a lot of questions that his statement raises. i need to get answers oz to why it happened. hopefully we can share more with you. >> then a short time later, he appeared on the the white house and briefed the president and suggested something was very, very wrong. >> this is information that was brought to me that i thought the president needed to know about incidental collection where the president himself and others in
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the trump transition team were clearly put into intelligence reports that ended up at this white house and across a bunch of other agencies and i thought it was important for the president to know this. i briefed the speaker this morning and i came down here as soon as i could. >> then just minutes later, this from the president when asked if he felt vindicated. >> i somewhat do. i must say i somewhat do. i appreciated the fact that they found what they found. i somewhat do. >> now to democrats, the timing of this is questionable to see say the least. >> wire tapped by barack obama or will he speak about it he didn't mention it in his rally. >> let's see how the week goes. >> there is that. the odd timing of it all. the fact that the chairman of what's supposed to be an independent committee
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investigating russia. possibly having connections. that chairman would have hustled over to the white house to talk to people about what may be classified information. even beyond questions about appropriateness and the timing, there is also the question, does this really partially vindicate the president accusing president obama of wire tapping him. the president seemed to want you to think he did vindicate him, but as democrats suggest, nunez was giving the president cover and it was not on that. >> the president said president obama tapped his phones. >> no, no, no. that did not happen. i said this for many, many weeks including the day after or a couple days after in front of the press. that never happened. the wire tapping if you used it generally like the president has said, he clearly used it differently than what i think a lot of people took it was did
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obama wire tap trump tower. the president has been clear on that. >> do you see anything? >> no. i said that on day two. >> president trump said he felt somewhat vind dated by what you told him today. just to be clear, there is still no evidence that president trump himself was wire tapped. >> that is correct. that is correct. >> as you might imagine, there is more to the story including reaction from democrats and details from the white house. we have the latest on that. congress person is schiff did not know about this until it was released publicly. he responded several times. >> he was blindsided. he said they came here to the white house. this compromises the entire investigation. he was very fired up about it this evening. >> the chairman will need to
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decide whether he is the chairman of an independent investigation into conduct that includes allegations of potential coordination between the trump campaign and the russians or he will act as a surrogate of the white house. he didncannot do both. >> as you were laying out the timing of this is interesting to see the least. >> the white house is a lifeline. however if it sparked an independent investigation upon capitol hill, it might be a short lived lifeline. >> he did say he felt somewhat vi vindicat vindicated. i asked him what did they find and he didn't answer that. we don't know what they found. an interesting exchange we had in the white house to ask him why only the chairman has come here to the white house and over
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the last three weeks or so, this is what sean spicer said. they are here at the white house and briefing him on the information. if so, why not? >> jeff, it just happened. so it's a silly question to ask me as i am walking out here as the chairman is wrapping up an event saying he is announcing he is coming down here. the first step is to hear what he has to say and find out where he got the information from. >> to answer the question about the next steps, it is an open situation. it's a day by day narrative. he stands behind the wire tapping allegation that has been debunksed again today. it's certainly not over. new partisan fights.
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>> thanks very much. i spoke to him late today. >> congressman, i want to get your reaction to what the chairman announced today. >> my reaction is what in the world is happening. here's material that would be relevant to the investigation that may be classified if it's surveillance and that the chairman would take it first to the media and second to the white house which of course is one of the parties it is being investigated without sharing it with the ranking member or the other members of the committee. that is just wildly irregular is an under statement. it was disconcerting. it drives a stake into the heart of the perception of imparti impartiality. >> can you honestly say this committee you are on is impartial? >> it's sort of hard to do that. this is not a off. the chairman who i consider a friend a couple of weeks ago stands up for michael flynn and
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says he is being brought down by swamp creters and a day later he is fired for lying to the vp. chairman nunez and burr are wrapped up in trying to knock down a times story. i hope that the ranking member can reach an agreement to proceed or better yet that the investigation be kicked out of this realm and into the hands of an outside bipartisan commission. >> when you say it was a political move, do you believe that nunez is trying to get the white house covered or give the white house something to divert attention? >> all i can tell you is you just saw a wildly irregular action by the committee charged with being investigated and flying down the street to the white house and immediately there after, president trump said the tweet that barack obama
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wire tapped him and you have speaker ryan reiterating that there was something there. this is the most pathetic fig leaf. it has nothing to do with president obama wire tapping donald trump in trump tower. it allows these guys to take a box and show america that they were only partially liars rather than full bore crazy. >> it is being reported that the chairman does not have the 2k0u7 documents. should he have gone to the white house at all? >> imagine you are investigating somebody this in a law enforcement context that you are investigating and you turn up an interesting fact and run to the subject of the investigation to share that? there is no circumstances under which that is right. i understand and i have not been briefed. i am learning much of what i know from cnn and others.
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he doesn't have them in his possession because he had to go to one of the elements to review them. that would imply that whatever it was they reviewed was classified. for the next step to talk about that information to the media raises tough questions for him. >> what is the next step? what happens now? >> ranking member schiff and chairman nunez need to sit down and figure out if there is a way forward for this investigation to go forward. we as democrats are not sticking around in the face of this behavior and other obstructions and lend a machine to what is starting to look more and more like an effort to back up donald trump. we haven't talked about anderson. why would it happen today? we are not talking about the story that paul went to work for one of putin's chief olegarches to advance the interest of russia. we are not talking about that because we are talking about
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this. i see an artful deflection for pretty big issues and sadly one that may damage the ability to do this investigation. >> do you trust the chairman? >> i tell you what. after today i am shaken. i have been telling the media that outside statements not with standing about trying to knock down new yo"new york times" sto but things have been constructively. we had a five-hour hearing. i don't know how you recover from today's actions and tell the american people after looking at information and sharing it with the press and running it to the white house which is the subject of investigation. we can still do an impartial investigation. i don't know how you sell that. >> let's bring back on the panel and joining us. how extraordinary is it that you have the chairman, an ally on the transition team who is committing them publicly announcing and giving the president a level of political
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cover without informing the rest of his committee and going-over to the white house. >> that was a long list you went through and they are all new to me. i have never seen any of those before. some may have covered the hill more directly and they have recollection of something like this. it was astonishing to me when i found out about it. i don't understand why he had to brief the president. i haven't heard an explanation that makes a lot of sense and it was the kind of thing that was guaranteed to inflame democrats. that's the big problem and he seemed to think that they were the answer and he presented the information. we still don't know what the information is. i heard from a lot of trump allies that say it confirms what they thought. this proves it. i don't know what we are talking about in the same way as with the russia stuff. i still don't have a great grasp on the granular of what we are talking about.
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it seems to be more there than in the public domain. in the intercepts and it was not there. what's the legal substance? >> i'm having trouble following. could you repeat all of today's developments? what is going on? let me make two points. one, nunez is so far over his head, he has no idea what's going on here. you watched the interviews here, deer in the headlights. different stories and different people. this guy has no idea what he is doing. second point, donald trump is on more tapes with international figures. what's that about? who are they? it's just like the idea that
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this is something exculpatory for the white house, the whole thing is so bizarre. obviously completely unresolved. >> you heard ranking member schiff rip apart claims based on what the chairman told him. the need for an independent commission, where does it go from here? >> i find the commission hard to believe at this stage. and the investigation in the senate. i don't think that will stop democra democrats. he was at that hearing talking about it to you. at the end of the hearing with jim comey, he was the one. this ally of the trump white house said you put a great cloud over this white house. it was clear that his goal was
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to run down to the white house. he is under from the white house and what do you assess the credibility of him to be tonight? >> i don't have the slightest idea. he has a history that would make us doubt his credibility. more important, i think that the press essentially needs to report as aggressively as we can what facts can be obtained about these allegations that nunez is making. apart from that, we are seeing today and tonight why we need a special prosecutor. there is abundant evidence that something happened in terms of those in the campaign of donald trump and the russian leaks of these e-mails that requires a kind of impartiality that only a
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special prosecutor under what we are seeing here on the air from these guys on this committee. we need a special prosecutor, particularly given the bombshell story not just the cnn story, but the ap story today about proposing on paper that he can do things for putin a few years back and that's what he wants to be paid tens of millions of dollars for. this is an extraordinary story that requires extraordinary investigating by a special prosecutor and yes, we need a 9/11 type commission that can also look at what the trump white house is claiming and see if there is anything there or put it to rest in a way that the american people can believe. per as a former cia officer, the terms are being thrown around. president trump is talking about president obama wire tapping him
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and he talked about tapping not in quotes. there is various forms of surveillance and incidental surveillance. it doesn't sound that this was targeting people in trump tower or the trump campaign or transition. it was incidental. they were picked up. how does that work. what is he talking about? >> this is simpler than it sounds. this is a political job by the white house and republicans on the committee. this is not about intelligence. the president-elect was an illegal wire tap directed by the president. not against foreigners or supervised by a court. all illegal. we are seeing standard operating procedure for years. i saw this all the time. a foreigner is intercepted. that interception is authorized by a u.s. court. when that intercepted communication comes in, that
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foreigner is talking to an american citizen. that's the incidental collection you hear referred to. to protect that citizen when you read that document, if you are in a senior position that refers to that citizen as for example american person number one. if you have a need to know in an investigation as in this investigation, you go to the national security agency and say can you unmask that person. i have a need to know. it ain't that complicated. happens all the time. it nothing to do with what the president-elect is two years ago. legal versus illegal. the house is set to vote tomorrow and this hour the republican leaders are still voting. they are trying to win over conservatives to get the votes they need. we will look at the progress if any they are making and if this thing is going to pass tomorrow. we'll be right back. of 32 brands with advanced technology, so we can make sure oil and gas get where they need to go safely. because safety is never being satisfied.
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27 republicans said they are voting orleaning no. president trump has been in the thick of the battle trying to close the deal with conservatives and tweets have been made already to bring doubters on board and changes that have not been scored yet. the latest in the crucial hours. >> it's the final stretch and house republicans and the white house are scrambling for winning votes. there are precious few hours left on the clock. before they face a vote in the house tomorrow. >> there is a crucial vote for the republican party and for the people of our country. >> house leaders managed to lock in at least new vote today, congressman lou bar letta who was leaning against the bill and now declaring he is a yes vote. >> we are adding votes and getting really, really close. >> the bill is still in serious
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jeopardy. >> we have not seen the movement we want. >> according to the latest vote count, at least 23 house republicans have said they will vote against the bill. four more indicated they will likely oppose it. speaker ryan can't lose more than 21 votes or the bill fails. they have absolutely no margin for error. >> there is plan a and plan a. we will get this done. >> this reality is setting off an aggressive last minute aggressive to change minds before the vote. >> this is legislating. there are people who want to get the provisions in the bill. what's important for us is we had to compromise this to make sure we draft legislation that can pass. >> and behind closed doors today. president trump ramped up his pleas to the hold outs. members of the conservative house freedom caucus to the white house today. sources told cnn the president told members i will have your
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back if they sign on. >> obamacare is making their lives so much more difficult. >> that presidential arm twisting for some is not enough. >> i don't think the votes are there today. >> the chairman of the house freedom caucus is still a not. e >> the best approach is to actually start over and do something that actually lowers premiums. we need changes to the underlying bill before we vote on it in the house. >> from capitol hill, new information that paul ryan is open to making more changes to be voted on tomorrow. >> that's right. changes are being discussed at this moment up here on capitol hill. for the moment much of the discussion seems to be revolving around obamacare's essential health benefit. he will win over house freedom caucus members who were very, very against this bill. there has been a minor shift in tone coming from many members of
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the house freedom caucus. mark meadows was seeing he was working through the white house on changes to potentially come up with something, but the situation is very fluid. a lot of fast moving parts. certainly a definite shift in tone coming from many up here on capitol hill. >> a lot to discuss. joining me is former new york city council speaker christine quinn and adviser for the trump campaign. you have this late word about more deal making? how confident it will get passed tomorrow. >> the reason there is a bit of revolt on the right, why don't we just repeal the whole obamacare bill. they voted for that years ago. that's the position of some of the conservative friends in the house including congressman meadows. there is arm twisting going on and deal making that is going on
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as we speak. i'm confident that this is going to either pass tomorrow or it may carry over to friday. this will pass and the reason it will pass is there is no room for failure here. the republicans have to get this done. donald trump said this was one of the central promises he made to voters. there is a high likelihood this will pass the house. there will be deal making going on in the next 24 hours. >> last week there were questions of how committed the president will be on this. he has been on capitol hill and even today talking to freedom caucus members. he wants to make this happen. >> he seems to be all in. you have to ask yourself might they be in a better position if he had gotten more active and all in earlier, but you can't question his resolve at this moment in time. >> he has a lot riding on it. his whole persona. this is the first real test.
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>> without a doubt. we are seeing how donald trump doesn't understand that deal making in legislation with actual people's lives up in the balance. it's very different than cutting a dill around a building or acquisition of a piece of property. it's very different. what you are seeing now is that last minute fury. it happens with big pieces of legislation, but you are over where you can be. this is something that has done city legislation and where you are over where you can be and start making changes and you are rushed, you will inadvertently give person x that something that screws up the only person that made that person vote. >> that's about this kind of legislation. there is so many moving parts. >> this is a complicated system. we are talking about 1/7 of our
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economy which is our health care system. it is complicated and i don't think republicans are going to be able to fix all the problems. our health insurance system under obamacare and before obamacare is imploding. we have to change it. people will see massive additional increases in their premiums if we don't do something to fix this. i would disagree on one thing. i think trump has been masterful. he has gone over to the house and spoke to the freedom caucus and the people on the right. when i talked to the members, they said we were reassured by donald trump. he is a newcomer and i think he is good at the political game. >> even if you don't like his policies, he can be -- >> i can't say that. i think the issue of whether it gets through the house is almost not the big question. >> that's true. >> the senate is where the process it has to go through.
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that's reconciliation. that's a budgetary process. even speaker ryan in early march on the tucker carlson show laid out the reasons that the changes that are wanted. many of the changes we are hearing could be last monday and ones that are in the bill won't get through senate reconciliation. >> the big issue is essential with the program. it requires people to buy all sorts of coverage for policies. the conservatives can't live with that and that has to come out. >> it won't make it through reconciliation. >> thank you as well. up next, terror in london. at least four people dead and 40 others hurt. they used a knife and big weapons in the shadow of big ben and parliament. we will have all the details in a moment. the average family's hectic home: its raised 1 dare devil, 2 dynamic diy duos,
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our breaking news from london, a major terror investigation is under way after an attacker driving a car plowed into people on westminster bridge and continued his rampage on foot until he was shot and killed by police. this is surveillance over the bridge. the car speeding and running over anything in its path. we see one of the victims jumping into the river thames. we're told she was hospitalized. at least a dozen injured and four others dead. more now from clarissa ward. >> reporter: about 2:40 p.m. london time, a car runs over
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westminster bridge plows into horrified pedestrians. witnesses described the carnage. >> there were people on the ground the whole length of the bridge. i saw people flying in the air. >> reporter: authorities estimate at least 40 people are hurt including three police officers, some with, quote, c catastrophic injuries. >> to be honest, the one i saw the person wasn't moving at all. >> reporter: one woman ends up in the river thames and is later rescued with serious injuries. the attacker speeds over the bridge heading towards parliament. passes big ben and then crashes into a railing around the parliament complex. but the attack is not over. he exits the car and runs through an open gate, heading towards parliament, armed with a knife. >> the guy came past my shoulder with a big knife and started plunging it into the policeman. i just, never seen anything like that. just can't believe it.
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>> reporter: the attacker is able to stab an unarmed policeman before he is shot by responding officers. one photo from the scene is of a man on a gurney being treated for injuries. multiple knives strewn about the ground below him. it's unclear at this point who he is. a medical helicopter lands amid the chaos in new palace yard. authorities haven't confirmed to cnn who was airlifted out. but we do know tragically, the policeman died from his wounds. his name was keith palmer, a 15-year veteran. three others died in the attack. the assailant also dies from gunshot wounds. authorities almost immediately called the attack an act of terror. >> terrorists have a clear aim. that is to create fear.
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the police stand with all communities in the uk and will take action against anybody who seeks to undermine society, especially where their crimes are motivated by hate. >> what is the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: so anderson, we've heard recently from scotland yard. they are saying that they do believe they know the identity of the attacker, but at this stage they are not releasing it. the only thing they have said is that they do think this was related to islamist terror. they believe the individual was inspired by international terrorism, potentially the word inspired could be quite telling, and they have hundreds of officers who are combing through an area looking for clues, looking for forensics. looking to try to determine if there was possibly anyone else involved in this attack. the threat level has been at severe in the uk for quite some
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time, anderson. they said that that will not change. the threat level for now will remain at severe, anderson? >> much more ahead in the next hour. we'll have more from london and breaking news on the fbi investigation into potential links with the trump campaign and the russian government. new details coming up. as good as the network it's on. and verizon has been ranked number one for the 7th time in a row by rootmetrics. (man) hey, uh, what's rootmetrics? it's the nation's largest independent study and it ranked verizon #1 in call, text, data, speed and reliability. (woman) do they get a trophy? not that i know of. but you get unlimited done right. (man 2) why don't they get a trophy? (man 3) they should get something. (woman 2) how about a plaque? i have to drop this. my arm's getting really tired. unlimited on verizon. 4 lines, just $45 per line. the search for relief often leads... here... here... or here. today, there's another option.
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talking this hour on 360, cnn has learned new information that the fbi investigation into links between the trump administration -- campaign and the russian government. pamela brown and evan perez are with us. what have you learned? >> u.s. officials tell us the fbi has information that indicates associates of president trump communicated with suspected russian operatives to possibly coordinate the release of information damaging to hillary clinton's campaign. james comey made his bombshell announcement monday before congress that the fbi is investigating the trump campaign's ties to russia. the fbi is reviewing that information which includes human intelligence, travel records and business and phone records and accounts of in-perso