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victory tomorrow with the vote. he may get a bill at the end. we'll see what happens. >> everyone stay here. if you're just joining us, we seen house republicans aimed at finding consensus for a place in the affordable care act that celebrated the seventh anniversary tonight. wasn't much of a celebration but members are split on it. they spent the evening trying to hash out differences and came the word the president is done bargaining, time to vote. a lot we're still learning. first, let's go to phil mattingly. >> an altamatum was laid down and they will set up the vote on the final bill tomorrow. this is how it happened. over the course of the last couple hours, leader, white house officials have been meeting with the house freedom caucuses they haven't been able to get on board. and anderson, they decided over the course of that that they simply were not making progress.
the president himself informed the budget director it was time to lay down the law more or less. time to say negotiations were over. there were no more changes coming to the bill and time for a vote. i will tell you, anderson, talking to leadership sources, they don't have the votes. they are short. they did this knowing they need to put everybody's back against the wall and hold the vote. as this deal is moved forward, i'm learning more about what will be in the final measure. how the moderates will react to the stripping of those essential health care benefits in obamacare. they are trying to apiece them in three different ways, one requiring by 2018 that every single state decide and announce what their own individual essential health benefits would be for the state insurance plans and adding additional 15 billion to a state stability fund in the bill designed to address maternity care, and separate issues that some of those essential health benefits would have actually helped out with. these are the major issues they
are trying to reach out to the moderates but again, to under score the reality here, they still don't have the votes. they are going into this complete lly blind and the hopes the push from president trump, a push he demanded and wanted to move forward with would be enough to sway the votes. >> i'll go to the member of the house freedom caucus. thanks for joining us. very briefly, at this point are you no or yes? >> well, i remain undeclared because there is is still other side negotiations taking place, but i am very encouraged that the freedom caucus amendment is going into the bill tonight or tomorrow morning. >> what else are you looking for? else are you hoping to come -- because the white house says there is no more negotiation from the white house. >> in an ideal world we love to see insurance be insurance and we would see like preexisting conditions taking out in a special high-risk pool so that we could let the rest of
insurance be as predictable as possible. because when you have forced insurance and you require people to enroll people that have preexisting conditions without some sort of compensation or mechanism, then it makes it very difficult for insurance companies to make predictions. >> do you have a sense, congressman, whether or not the speaker ryan, the white house has enough votes to pass this? >> no, i don't know that at all. i don't know what the vote count is. i just suggest to you that the freedom caucus has labored very diligently and i think they have improved the bill significantly. and i think that could make a difference. i don't know. >> congressman, i want to bring in gloria boarer and john king. >> do you think the freedom caucus will stick together opposing this bill as it's been opposed to this bill all along
or splinter with some for, sop opposed? >> i don't know the answer to that question. only that i think that their efforts so far have improved the bill significantly. there is still much that could be done and i'm going to hope all the way up to the deadline that we do everything that we can, either in the bill or through some type of side discussions that will improve it in the long run. >> can you describe a little bit how intense these negotiations have been with the president and with his staff and what it's been like to be inside those rooms? >> you know, i don't know what other people's experiences have been. i was at the white house this morning and talked to the president yesterday one on one and i'll say to you, that the man approached me in a reasonable rational manner and i thought it was amazing to see a president this engaged personally, and i've seen an open process in the house and i mean, this is happy days again
in many ways for the process itself. now ultimately, the real test is going to be what comes out of the final product here and i think it's so vital instead of ever questioning each other's commitment to america that we try to get together and say okay, our commitment is we're all together and we all have the same objective now. let's discuss how we can best achieve that objective and that's what we're trying to do. >> congressman john franks, there is a known gravity. let's assume you get the bill through the house tomorrow and go to the senate. they are likely to make it more moderate or change it from the house perspective. you understand the dynamic as well if not better than i do. if it comes back to the house and you were told this is the best we can get, do you feel an obligation to repeal and replace or say no way, this is not what i signed up for. >> there is no way to know what will come back and you have to judge it on its merit.
i'll say this, the most untold, under reported dynamic of all in all of this negotiation and it is the house efforts that are so complex and so complicated by the senate rules, we're having to put this bill through what's called the bird rule in the senate because we have to do this through reconciliation because a senate has to have 60 votes to bring the bill to the floor. i don't know if it's that way in any body of the world where the majority can't pull a bill to the floor without the help of minority. we're having to do this through reconciliation and i got to tell you, with this bill, that's like trying to shove a camel through a key hole. he's a little worse for wear on the other side of the process. this senate rule, this nightmare that no one understands is sthe best policy deblatioliberations
and the tail is wagging the dog. >> thank you very much. >> thank you-all very much. i want to go quickly to the white house where sarah murray has late news. >> anderson, i think you're seeing a white house ready to get on with it. they made it clear they are ready for a vote tomorrow and want to move forward on something the president talked about nearly every day on the campaign trail, something republicans have campaigned upon for years but also something that's not the sexiest part of this president's agenda. yes, he wants to get health care done. he wants to move beyond it and wants to remain true to the promise but he also has big ambitions for what he wants to do in the white house. he wants to do tax reforme form. he wants to do infrastructure and they see this has a hurdle to get over and they need this bill to pass and move forward to get on with tax reform and that's part of the reason we're seeing this gauntlet being formed. >> sara murray, thanks. back with the panel.
>> you can see how much the house loves the senate. [ laughter ] >> talk about time honor tradition. pissing on the senate. >> illinois visualizing the camel -- >> you should be thankful that the bird rule is there and reckonciliation is there -- >> how so? >> because the senate requires a 60 vote majority to pass anything with the exception of thi things pursue want to the budget control. thatreconciliation. you reconcile the budget to the law you passed and that gives you protection in the senate to require only a simple majority vote. so they can complain all they want and they do about this rule called the bird rule but the reason it's there is is gives the opportunity for the senate to pass a bill with only 50 votes. david said earlier we don't have
the margin that obama had in 2009 or '10 -- >> 2010 by the time -- >> right, but the -- we actually have a better margin because in the senate, they need all 60 votes. they had 60 but needed 60 because they weren't going through the reconciliation. they needed super majority to do the policy that trent franks wants to do. they had the votes but couldn't lose one. we lose two. >> a little more point of order. i have a little piece of news from a republican who said to me that congressman meadows told the freedom caucus members to vote their conscience. >> that's a great thing to do. >> and do what they need to do and this source says most are standing firm on no right now. but when someone tells you to vote your conscience, you understand they are giving you a long leash -- [ laughter ] >> they may have to revote their conscience. >> we'll have to think about that during the break. we'll be joined by a congressman voting for the bill and new
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well, the breaking news from capitol hill. on the bo bomb obama care repla bill, joining us is barry. congressman, thanks for being with us. earlier, you had indicated you were not in support of this. where do you stand now? >> i am fully in support of the bill out there now. when it first came out, i wasn't necessarily against it but thought we could do better and put more in the bill that would meet the birds requirements in reconciliation. it was something my dad always told me. he was a world war ii veteran. he said if there is something in live you don't like, you can do something to change the situation or accept status quo and move on. we started working on it to make
the bill better. was at the white house last friday, meeting with the president, we were able to negotiate what i felt were key, four key changes to the bill and that brought me over to support. now is it a perfect bill? no. is it all i want? no, it isn't. it is a step in the right direction and this is the beginning of fixes america's health care system. >> we've been talking about this to other congressmen. can you talk about -- you talked about going to the white house and meeting with the president. he's clearly gone all in on this. you know, he went to capitol hill and had folks in like yourself into the white house. how would you explain the impact he has had on this? has it been like in those meetings? >> i think it's had a significant impact. he was very open. he was a jovial person, very engaging. it was a different person than what some people may perceive but very knowledgeable and surrounded himself with the right people.
we were supposed to be there for 15 minutes and we were there for 45 minutes. look, he believes we can do much better than ocho bop bamacare a believes it been a disaster, as a lot of us do. it's hurt a lot of people but we can fix the health care system. he believes this is our opportunity to do so but he doesn't want to spend an incredible amount of time going down a path we've had seven years to prepare for. >> finally, do you think it's going to pass tomorrow? >> i think so. i just spent about most emotional hour and a half meeting that i think i've had since i've been in congress, and since i've served in elected office. people pouring their heart out because this is what we are here for. many of us were inspired to promote freedom, to ensure that we do something better and ronald reagan said, you know, we've got to promote things that make america more free that do better. we're not always going to get perfect but we can get good and this is a defining moment for many of us. >> congressman, appreciate your
time tonight. thanks very much. >> thank you. back with the panel, joining us is rnc communications director and back from the capital is dana bash. doug, you say the only thing worse than pulling -- we don't actually have doug yet. dana, you rushed back here. i'm not sure how you got back here so quickly. it seems like they are feeling kind of positive after the meeting. >> more positive. >> more positive. >> i think to be fair, i think the positive feeling right now is because of the atmosphere inside the meeting. senator santorum talked about it before. i'm just looking back through my texts from a source inside talking about the fact part of the reason why it was emotional, in fact, couple people were in tears was because the speeches that were given were many of them by former members of the military who are now in congress talking about their experience in the military, which obviously has nothing to do with health care but the idea was, you know,
sort of this is what we fight for, so on and so forth to get the patriotic zest going within the house republican conference, which is why it was so emotional inside. now, being emotional inside, the fact that the people who stood up i think about 30 people stood up inside this closed door meeting and said positive things about the bill is one thing, and getting the people on the fence or those leading no to vote yes is a whole different ball game, but clearly, i mean, i could see it on the faces of a lot of these members who were torn, they understand that this -- it really is what we're calling it. it's a altimatum. >> david, there is obviously a big divide between democrats and republicans and you were talking about and governor, you were talking about people losing health insurance and the ramificati
ramification, they believe this will help their district. >> the most prevalent emotion on capitol hill is the emotion of survival, the survival instint. >> exactly. >> obviously, president obama was arguing to put more people on health care, not take them off of health care, but there was this sense in there that this is hard. this is tough but this is what we're here for. i hear these reports and reminds me of some of the meetings i was in seven years ago, but yeah, i'm sure they believe that but rick was talking before and we -- we can have a philosophical discussion how best to go forward on health care, but there are facts, you know, health care inflation is the lowest it's been in 50 years. add a pocket cost for people with employee health care has been half as grown and in the
decade before and health care overall, the system itself is now slated to come in and 2019, 11% under what it was estimated to be before the affordable care act, so these are facts. >> well, i would -- i just -- >> alternative facts. [ laughter ] >> yeah, there are alternative facts. >> also called the other side. >> no, no, there are -- >> look at the other side. health care inflation. >> everything is going up. look, this is not a fairy tale. you got 17 states with one -- 17% -- >> you're talking about within the health care exchanges. that's a fair discussion to have. there are things that should be done to strengthen the exchanges but the vast majority aren't in the health care exchanges. most of them get insurance through work. they got more protections under
the affordable care act. >> the whole point of obamacare was to increase access through the health care exchanges of medica medicaid. you can't move the ball. >> 21 million people. >> if you looked at the private insurance markets, the employer market, they were doing pretty well before obamacare. >> they were not. >> not cost-wise. cost were going through the roof. >> yeah. >> i mean, the cost curve down significant hi. >> you put boat loads of federal dollars in there. it wasn't lowering cost. >> what are you suggesting, though? take away the money and people will be without health care and go back to a system where people used emergency -- >> this bill does not -- >> this freedom caucus. i'm not free if i don't have access to health care. i am -- i am enslaved to that. >> i also want to bring in doug, the former rnc communications director. doug, you said the only thing worse than pulling a bill is having it go down in the vote.
>> yeah, this -- look, this may be a brave new world we're in with donald trump as president because it's the only new dynamic of what we've seen and i worked in the house republican leadership for two and a half years. what we saw time and time again, bring up a bill on something controversial or what we call a must-pass bill, say the bush tax cut is expiring and shutting down the government, opening the government. the farm bill. the times when dana bash calls you and you don't answer the phone because you don't have a good answer for her. this is the reality where republicans are and where we've been for years. we have politics we bring something up we consider a real priority for republicans and have to go to the right to get the freedom caucus and lose folks in the moderates and swing back and forth and our members aren't happy. they don't have a direction forward and if donald trump can't bring this home as one dynamic we see that's different from what we've seen over the past six years, it sends real questions whether or not republicans can govern. >> so you're saying the vote tomorrow, it has -- i mean, for
the good of the republican forty, it has to pass. >> yeah, this is about a lot more than health care but whether or not we can pass tax reform or the president can past infrastructure bill and a working appropriations process and whether or not republicans can govern. this is a gut-check moment. it's familiar to me and dana and folks in the capital, when the pizzas arrive and gourmet sandwiches come. this is a gut check moment for republicans. the bill has to come up and if it doesn't pass, there will be serious repercussions. >> senator -- >> i couldn't agree more. i mean, they have to pass this bill. that's why they will because they have to and they all know they have to. >> can i talk about -- ask you and jeffrey maybe ask you this question about the deficit? and you have republicans want to lower the deficit et cetera, et cetera and tax cuts coming, and the aca will reduce federal
deficits by this is a cbo and i know you don't like the cbo but reduce federal deficits but nearly $4 trillion over the next couple of decades. that if you just left the affordable care act in place. this bill, this cbo says will increase the deficit and -- >> again, the cbo deals in -- rick, correct me if i'm wrong, static analysis. >> 150 -- >> more than the aca would. >> 150 billion. >> the analysis is always static. they have no idea what will happen tomorrow than the man on the moon. this is where they fall down. they are not -- >> why waste government money. >> they are not -- >> technically there is not a man on the moon. >> no, no, but there is a chance that this is going to be not costfect ti effective. >> when you -- >> in the long term it will be. >> when you -- look, when you -- this is about individuals. when you interview somebody as i did, who lost the father and
blames and cut employees off the role and you're talking with real employees and that's why and in a president trump in the first place. >> but you can talk to other people who say that they got insurance and -- >> low. >> and human -- >> that's why we vote and the vote vent in favor of those folks. >> the republicans won three and was a draw and republicans did not get punished and normally think they would. republicans have background here and the political won in 2010 and 2016 saying they would do this. the point is they will own it. they believe going to this more market base, still a lot of government involved, that's why they have a hard time getting votes. they believe the system essentially get people -- still
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well, hard to imagine but there is more breaking news. congressman adam shift says he has new information between president trump and russia. this comes the day after devin nunez lodged a bombshell into the investigation. he did not talk to democrats and told the public and president and the president trump that communications of trump and associates may have been collected by intelligence agencies. today he met with members apologized. here is what he said afterwards. >> judgment call on my part. that's -- at the end of the day, that's sometimes you make the right decision, sometimes you make the wrong one but you have to stick by the decisions you make. did this come from the white house? did this information you got come from the white house? >> as you know, we have to keep sources and mets here very, very quiet. i told the american public several times we want people to come to us to bring us information if they have it.
>> that answer didn't sit well with democrats, not surprising lynn collu ly congressman shift. you spoke to both congressman shift and nunez about the evidence inclusion. what did they tell you? >> there is a sharp disagreement between the two men who are leading this investigation, anderson, about what this evidence actually shows. mr. shift telling me that it paints a more and maybe not probable cause to bring to trial but enough for a grand jury investigation to look at this issue of coordination, look at this issue of collusion and learn if there is more there, but devin nunez says there is nothing there. he says he has no idea what adam schiff is talking about. take a listen. you said there is more than just
circumstantial evidence of collusion. what did you mean by that? >> i don't feel comfortable talking about the particular evidence, other the eyes are looking at or we're looking at. i think it's appropriate to say it's the kind of evidence that you would submit to a grand jury at the beginning of an investigation. >> this new evidence of collusion from schiff. you have no idea what he's talking about? >> i don't. no. >> you haven't seen new evidence of collusion? >> not that i'm familiar with, no. >> so the big question is where does this investigation go from here? adam schiff saying democrats plan to continue to participate in the investigation as they have been frustrated with how mr. nunez went to the white house and briefed on new information before talking to the committee, but schiff believe if democrats don't participate this investigation into russia will not happen but as you see, a sharp disagreement between the two over central question, what the actual evidence they are talking about
is in raising a question about whether or not the committee can ultimately produce a bipartisan report. anderson? >> man knu raju, thank you very much. he said he felt vindicated with the wiretapping but he saw no evidence president trump was directly or personally wire temperatured. in the latest issue "is truth dead," they embrace the untrue claims, the article is called can president trump handle the truth? it was wrote after interviewing president trump yesterday and joins us now. michael, thanks for being with us. fascinating interview and article. i want to get into some details what the president told you but on the timing of this, when did he reach out to the white house about the story and what did you tell them? >> i reached out on monday and told them i was working on a story about this issue of politics and trump and hearing i
expect expected. i had a conversation. i think what led, he wasn't getting credit for the things he said in the past that had been disputed to be true. i had said to them i also want to explore this idea, which i talk about in the story that sometimes falsehood has worked to his benefit, that sometimes he's able to see the national conversation of claims like the president was possibly born in africa and mexico sending rapist across the border and muslims celebrated on september 11th. that sort of work like viruses. everybody else in politics has to respond and take over the news cycle and deliver his message of the day and that he had been rather savvy about it and those are the two points i told him about and he called them wednesday afternoon.
>> you said they were flat out untrue. it's fascinating to read about it because he is -- as he often is in interviews, particularly during the campaign, completely unphased and often pinning it on articles or cable tv shows saying he was repeating what he read or heard or people were talking about or people say or he heard it or he read it. you know, despite this being a week the fbi director said there was back up the claims, he clearly feels vindicated and referenced to what nunez said at the white house. >> yeah, so we think of truth and falsehood szas a bay nainan. you see this as right or wrong. he'll maybe fall back and make a claim and change the topic or direct things to a different place. say i was only saying wiretapping in quotes. say i didn't say that. it was a newspaper article i was reading and i was just saying what the newspaper said even if it was the national inquirer and
a bogus story. so -- i think this says a lot about how he is always seen this issue. he came up in real estate. he came up talking about truthful hyperbole and he's always manipulated perceptions of reality and done it with significant success. this also brought the other part, i kept asking him about credibility and the credibility of the office of the president and if he worried over time, if he kept getting called out by the fbi director or other people for saying things that weren't true, if the credibility of the office would be hurt and his answer to that repeatedly was did you see the size of may cro -- my crowd in kentucky and did you know i won the election? he's not willing to give any ground on that because he thinks his approach to this has been affirmed by the american people and still by his supporters. >> what is also interesting in the interview and something we've seen before, to see it in
print, he will claim credit for something because he made a statement that was untrue about something that occurred like something that didn't actually occur but then it may be, you know, days later occurred or months later occurred and he will say that he was right because even though he was talking about something that hadn't occurred, something later occurred that he then could claim credit for saying it. >> right. that gets to what i was saying before. it's not black and white, not true or false. he's not judging but the literal words he said. the example was about what he said last month at a florida rally about something happening last night in sweden, referencing some sort of immigration issue in the country. there was no immigration issue at the previous night but a couple nights later, there was a disturbance in a suburb with a lot of immigrants and he said this vindicated what he said before. i said you were talking in the past tense on saturday, you weren't talking about a fau tut
event and he didn't see that as relevant for him and he said several times, he has great instinct and feel for what is happening if he said months earlier in a tweet that anthony weiner's sexting would get hillary clinton in trouble and it comes up in a letter from cow me a couple weeks before the vacation, he thinks he deserves credit and by its extension, he thinks if he says the president wiretapped me, even if the fbi director is saying that is not true, there is no evidence to that. he thinks we should basically suspend our disbelief and wait because he has a record that proves he's been right in the past. >> one of the headlines from today, what was the line he said to you about he must be doing something right? >> yeah, this is one of the times i was asking him about the credibility of the office, i tried one more time and he basically said i'm president and you're not. >> i must be doing something
right. i'm president and you're not. >> that's right. he was just repeating basically the same idea about crowds in kentucky. if you want to say i am misleading people, judge me by my success. >> right. michael, fascinating -- i just encourage people to read the interview. fascinating. thank you so much. back with the panel. it is interesting just in that article because it is a perception of the presidency, which is so unlike past presidents. you talk about the credibility of the office, it doesn't seem and i'm trying to say this, i don't want to sound snarky but it doesn't seem as if he has the same perception of the office perhaps that other presidents have had. >> look, i think the most telling -- may be the most telling quote we've heard from donald trump when he said when he justified all of it by saying i'm president and you're not and i think it really reflects his
governing principle, which is if you win, that justifies what you've done and you can do anything in service of that and the result will justify -- i also found interesting that his argument seems to be i may not be truthful but i am pressing. >> can i get the powerball number? [ laughter ] >> he's always been this way, and he's a 70-year-old man and he's not going to change and i remember one story in atlantic city opening the taj and the slot machines were shut down by the gaming commission because they weren't ready to be open and he went on larry king and larry king said what about the slot machines and he said they just blew up because so many people were using them. and they blew up from overuse, which of course, was not true. and he's always done it. >> but he knows exactly what he's doing. he's an evil marketing genius.
he became famous because he was on a -- >> you're using the term lovingly. >> i'm using it not lovingly. he became famous from a television show. he knows what he's doing. he's creating confusion and muddying the waters. what he hasn't confronted and we don't know because we're 60 days in is what that means when you're the leader of the free world and commander in chief and how the rubber may meet the road there because foreign leaders, the military, others may start to take what you're saying literally and there are real consequences. >> my friend cohen tweeted out this is donald trump's, this is the real president's tag line, i must be doing something right because i'm president and you're not. [ laughter ] >> speaking of "time magazine" i did a column on them the other week and one thing we don't talk about and i mentioned a piece in cnn is media narrative and the
piece i did on time compared directly, time magazine's cover of then president elect obama in 2008 smiling picture of the president and it says, person of the year. eight years later, donald trump comes along. there is his picture. he looks grim. it says president of a divided united states of america. now, all i'm suggesting to you is when you constantly say that one person is the greatest thing since sliced bread and you're media analysis is this guy is terrible, then that plays a role in all of this and how this is presented. >> how does -- forgive me. i don't want to debate media bias but okay, even if i accept your point, at least 14 things he said in the article were false. >> okay. john -- >> what does that have to do with barack obama versus donald trump? >> a lot because when i went back and took a look, there were plenty of stories from conservative outlets about president obama not telling the
truth. not just the famous if you like your doctor, you can keep it but all kinds of things. >> when that wasn't true, he was hammered for it. >> i do want to continue this discussion. we'll do this on the other side of the break. a lot more to talk about and what seems to be president trump's go-to response when he's proven wrong. we'll be right back. ho! ( ♪ ) it's off to work we go! woman: on the gulf coast, new exxonmobil projects are expected to create over 45,000 jobs. and each job created by the energy industry supports two others in the community. altogether, the industry supports over 9 million jobs nationwide. these are jobs that natural gas is helping make happen, all while reducing america's emissions. energy lives here.
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we're talking about president trump sometimes distant relationship with the truth. before i break i talked to the washington times burro chief that wrote about it in an article can trump handle the truth? it is a fair question concerning the number of times he's been caught or called out making untrue claims or when that
happens, he has a go-to move we've all kind of seen. watch. >> no, i was given that informati information. i was just given. >> i guess my question is why should americans trust you because you've accused the information -- >> i don't know. i was given that information. actually, i've seen that information around. we said nothing. all we did was quote a certain very talented legal mind who was the one responsible for saying that on television. i didn't make an opinion on it. that was a statement made by a very talented lawyer on fox. and so you shouldn't be talking to me. you should be talking to fox. >> maybe some recognize the behavior. does it -- any of that matter. >> yes, yes, it totally matters. don't we all want our president
to have integrity? >> the election and. >> that is true. >> i think it makes a huge difference. it makes and impeding lives our allies, it's a difference when negotiates on the floor. and they aren't sure and he is such a liar. i don't like a president who is a liar. >> just had one. >> oh, please. come on. jeffrey. >> it's also going to make a difference. >> classic examples of this. >> it's going to make a difference when there is a crisis, which they have not had yet and when there is a crisis, international or a shooting that happens, every president has to go in front of the american people and bring people together. and soothe them and tell them
it's going to be okay and he's -- i'm not sure he has the ability to do that and i don't think people will look at him and believe what he has to say. >> accept the buck stops here. >> in part i agree. i don't think the president should be doing this. that what the president puts something out there, it shouldn't be that i read it somewhere and i'm just repeating it. we expect the president to have better information than when he read in the newspaper or saw on fox news. so i don't think he should be doing it. i think it hurts -- i'm someone that believes in the president's agenda. i'm someone that wants to see him do something on immigration and trade and taxes and infrastructure. i believe in all those. i think we need to get our m manufacturing back here. i think the president is the right guy at the right time and i think this is a distraction that hurts his ability to get that done. i'm also going to agree with jeffrey that the previous president had his share of whoppers that have not been pointed out as much as this president, but the problem with
this president is the things he says that don't always -- >> wait, wait, wait a second. can you name two things -- >> some -- >> name two or three things, what are you referring to? >> the health care bill relied repeatedly -- >> how about the higher p percentage of black men in prison than urn verniversities. >> we're talking about the president lying about the contacts -- >> he didn't lie. >> those aren't lies. he may have made mistakes. every president says things -- >> he misrepresents. >> no president has a batting average of 100% but fund mentally, when you tweet that your predecessor bugged you or ourd ev ordered our offices wiretapped, that's a pretty specific charge and it wasn't true. >> i got to go to dana. i understand you're learning something? >> just talking to a senior administration official as this process is going down, even before the vote, and what this
source says is that there are increasing concerns about the way -- from the white house -- about the way the house speaker has specifically about the fact that they now believe that the speaker didn't work hard enough to bring members of the house freedom caucus in early enough before the president had to really start twisting arms for them. and that the meeting that happened earlier this evening inside the house speaker's office with the freedom caucus, house republican leadership and members of the president's senior team was very intense. i'm sure that the house speaker, and actually reached out to see if they have a response and initial, really want me to respond to a blind quote? which i understand but this is something percolating up.
i imagine if the vote goes down tomorrow, going to be even more. >> spin on this. postmortems follow the vote? >> this is why i think it's noteworthy and important to report on. this is the product of a lot of meetings. even more so today than the past few days, that include the house freedom caucus, white house officials and house republican leadership. this is a sense by somebody who is representing the president's team on this. >> look guys, i've been saying for a long time that cnn that speaker didn't handle this the way that other republican leaders who successfully passed big things handled it. absolutely right on this. message why leaking this and recriminations now? it's signal to the freedom caucus we got your back in the senate, going to try to do what
we can to hold on to what you did. we don't think you got a fair share in the house we're going to do it in the senate. its from the not charlie dent but freedom caucus. >> you might be right but this is also arranged marriage and always has been been the president and paul ryan. reince priebus has been close but donald trump never been close to paul ryan. if pass the buck to somewhere else, heard complaints from conservatives not brought in, he's the person likely to be blamed. >> and steve bannon is no fan of ryan. brietbart relentlessly on the attack. >> when steve bannon was running brietbart did many stories going after paul ryan.
one where a reporter went to speaker ryan's kid's school to talk about the notion of him being hypocritical because he was against the muslim ban, adof refugees not coming in here and his kid goes to catholic school where they ask kids for their religion. so that goes pretty deep. i know. but just saying -- exactly. >> this news you just got suggests they don't have votes and he's preparing to do the blame game. >> not sure its true. >> to keep what they got. want the guys to know we're with you against ryan. >> quick break. more breaking news. death toll climbs higher in the london terror attack. remember the lives lost including an american when "360" continues. little girl: daddy! trapped by your unrelenting nasal allergies? [ meow ] [ sneezes ] try clarispray clarispray provides unsurpassed relief.
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in the london terror attack. fourth victim died from injuries. unnamed 75-year-old man. tonight thousands gathered for candlelight vigil to show unity, message to terrorists that londoners stand strong. isis claimed responsibility. attacker ran over several people on westminster bridge in car, stabbed a police officer before he was shot and killed. as always we believe the focus be on the people who lost their lives, not the terrorist took them. three other victims including american citizen. >> kurt cochran and his wife melissa visiting london on tail end of a european vacation to celebrate 25th wedding anniversary, walking over w
westminster bridge on wednesday when mowed down in the attack. jammed on the pavement and parapit. kurt died from his injuries. ran a recording studio tonight near salt lake city. kurt passionate about music. one day away from flying home to utah. family issued a statement calling him a good man and loving husband. our hearts are broken they said. we love him so much and will never forget him. kurt cochran was 54 years old. keith palmer was on duty at gates of parliament where the attacker broke in and stabbed him. bystanders rushed to his aid but he died from injuries. with the metropolitan police. here his team members lay a
wreath in memory of the fallen officer. and he was also remembered today in parliament. >> he was a strong, professional public servient. and it was a delight to meet him here again a few months after being elected. >> he leaves behind a wife and young daughter. keith palmer, 48 years old. aysha frade lived in london with husband. administrator at college and walking over the bridge reportedly on the way to pick up two children from school. british national but originally from spain. a flag lowered to half mast to
her memory in spain where her relatives still live. aisha frade, 43 years old. cnn england. >> remember them and all of them in the hospital tonight. handing over to don lemon and "cnn tonight." >> boy, big breaking news. white house to the gop, negotiations are over. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. thanks for joining us. president trump with blunt message and warning to house republicans. he wants a vote tomorrow on the bill to repeal and replace obamacare, and if he doesn't get it, gop is stuck with obamacare. okay? that's what he says. is that what the president really wanted all along? and what are the odds that paul ryan can avoid a humiliating loss on the plan republicans have been promising for