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president trump warns gop if they don't fall in line, they're stuck with obamacare. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. house republicans working into the night, desperate to save their health care bill but after all the bluster and deal making and arm twisting, all comes to the vote tomorrow afternoon. supposed to be tonight. is repeal and replace down for the count? we'll see. plus new information on the
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russia connection. top democrat on the house intelligence committee says he has new evidence of possible collusion between trump associates and russia. political dream team with me but first phil mattingly live on capitol hill. burning midnight oil. we've been following every congressman, you have on capitol hill for us. finding out how everybody is planning is vote. negotiations is over. what is the latest? >> reporter: it was message delivered abruptly with no subtle tones whatsoever by one of the president's top advisers in a closed door meeting after it appeared multiple times everything else had fallen apart. it's time to vote and negotiations are over. reality is their blind as to whether or not they have the votes. going into the consequential meeting didn't have the votes.
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coming out, still unsure if they'll get the votes. that's what we're going into tomorrow. high stakes game of chicken. but the hope when you talk to sources and members of congress, involved a lot of emotion. 30 people coming to support this bill, hoping to ride that into a vote that seven hours ago never thought they would get to. i just learned president and speaker spoke by phone after that meeting. described to me as a good call going forward. again we know there's a lot of positioning right now about who might actually end up taking the blame. as it's been described to me, president, speaker and house leadership, whether anything is going on behind the scenes, publicly trying to show a united front and get this to the finish line but still don't have clear path. >> people gritting through teeth, yes going to get this
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done. any indication whether the freedom caucus will stick together throughout entire thing? >> reporter: it's the big question. couple i spoke to after said they were coming around and coming on board. how many members do they need? they got concessions in the bill. proposal, deal put out for them to accept moved closer to their side than the opposite side of the ideological spectrum. but is it enough? chairman of the freedom caucus told members to go home and pray on what they wanted to do tomorrow. there's another big question here, concessions made to bring conservatives on board throughout the course of the haft 24 hours unsettled the moderates as well. as leadership trying to thread the needle, risk is very real. push it one way, lose one side,
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push it other way, lose other. did you keep enough moderates in line as well? that's question they don't have answer to. we'll get one tomorrow. >> gloria borger calls it political whack-a-mole. bring in new york republican who supports the bill. can't wait for your perspective on this. you heard our report and heard phil say president and speaker of the house spoke this evening. i'm sure you saw the speaker very terse saying the president wants a vote tomorrow. that's it, going to do it. did not answer questions. what do you think? do you have the votes? >> i don't know but i know we had a very lively empassioned conference. i'm conservative republican from new york. been conservative of the year in new york and we've been fighting
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to get what we can for your taxpayers and help our constituents, aeshlly truly needy, those with special needs, senior citizens, small business community. struggling to get something but also want to phase this in. everybody acts like sky is falling and all down to this vote and do or die. we debated obamacare for years even after it was passed. couldn't get anywhere but we have the house, president and senate. >> this is your moment you believe. you mentioned seniors, look at what is estimated here, it shows seniors are going to pay much more money. >> actually that's not true in new york. new york has a one-to-one ratio determining whether you can discriminate bases on age. in my district where donald trump won by 60% margin, it's
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not a factor in new york state. i'm from new york and going to be not a factor. we've advocated for more for our constituents. put in unique amendment to remove the county share that -- one new york is one of the few states left that imposes this county share. will save my district $167 million a year in unfunded mandates from the state. and this is something that can easily be taken care of through governor andrew kwocuomo in his budget he has plenty of room to take care of this and new york state has many regulations in place to protect our seniors. i'm confident we're going to be having votes in new york and do well. >> bring steve israel in here. he's disagreeing with you. why? >> agree with claudia's assessment she doesn't know
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whether going to pass tomorrow. most accurate but fundamentally disagree with the respect of the cost increases particularly for seniors. what she's referring to is special deal made for new york members of congress to get their votes that says that counties no longer pay their share of medicaid but shifted to other taxpayers of new york state. robbing peter to pay paul. nothing free in washington. shifting burden to new york state, have to increase the income tax and property taxes. >> go ahead congress woman. >> respectfully disagree. completely untrue. i was new york state assembly member. governor has a slush fund to the tune of -- hundreds of millions of dollars been spent by this
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governor to meet his needs anz leverage his needs against the taxpayers. there is so much more room in the state budget. medicaid -- out of $152 billion bunt. 19 million people in new york. 38 million people in california and our budget is coming close to the california budget for a fraction -- >> i don't want to get into the weeds about new york city. but these are the conversations you've been having and have had this evening correct? >> absolutely. we've been fighting for a deal. in a free market system that we don't really have in new york, we would have -- this bill is really not a full repeal. it's the best we can do in light of what is happening with the senate but i'm pleased we're getting somewhere and going to provide some relief. i own a small business and had to look at people and say we provided great insurance for you, employees, now we have to
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comply to obamacare mandates and lose employees to keep up with them. gone to self-insurance. lot of people hurt by this terrible bill. especially in new york. >> i've got to run for time. i appreciate you joining us. >> i appreciate it. >> you see the kind of thing that's happening. robbing peter to pay paul, i disagree with you, whatever. health care is complicated. going to move on. get back to the panel. bring in "new york times" columnist nicholas kristof, good to have you on. heard the conversation with the congress woman. at white house, trying to salvage health care. president wants a vote tomorrow and let the chips fall where they machlt how are you calling it? pass the house? >> i think journalists can be chastened given performance in makes predictions, i would be
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wary betting on my predictions. on one level quinnipiac poll said gop plan only had 17% support. hard to see that parlayed into victory in the house. on the other hand trump shown more resilience than we had expected and his bluff may indeed work. if you really push me, i'd say it's uphill struggle. but i don't have a lot of confidence in my own predictions don. >> some folks are saying -- say this for my panel, i have some inside information what is happening in the white house. save it for the panel. there's another cloud over the white house. many investigations into possible collusion between the trump team and russia in the presidential election. here's what you wrote in the "new york times." there is a smell of treason in the air.
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that's a strong allegation. down that treason nicholas? >> i don't know, but it needs to be investigated. we have intelligence community agreeing there was concerted attack on the integrity of our election system by russia to benefit one candidate. now we have an investigation by the fbi to investigate whether there was collusion between the trump campaign and russia to accomplish that attack. if that happened, it seems to me what is at stake is a question of treason. if you did have people in the trump campaign colluding with russia to defeat the electoral process, yeah, then to me, i don't know what else you would call that but treason. and one other point i would make, this i think allies with the health care issue, the question competence in the plan.
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can disagree or agree with the health care system and how trump has managed things but there's question of competence that i believe undermines president's ability to win votes for health care and will for tax plan and infrastructure plan. that's ramifications for financial markets. >> david gergen make a similar point about competency earlier. and also said i'm told not by democrat there's pervasive piece of evidence that's not yet public. do you believe this piece of intelligence will come to light and what more can you tell us? >> i can't say more about it. but it was very persuasive to my source. as far as i can tell, fbi is holding the investigation,
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material, quite closely. it has a lot of people working on this investigation. i think it's very serious about it. and one of the things that i don't think is fully investigated yet is question of financial ties. one of the things we've seen in western europe is russia tended to pour a lot of money into campaigns that it supported. i think will be a similar but so far incomplete investigation about whether something similar may have happened in this country and whether it's not just political collusion but issues of financial interference as well. >> i know that you are loathe to make a prediction about what is going to happen since you believe the media got it so wrong. how is this all going to end do you think? ever get to the bottom of exactly what went on during the election? >> you know, i think that -- i mean, again if you push me.
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it seems to me democrats have focus maybe too much on jeff sessions and transactional quid pro quo collusion. i suspect in the long run get a better idea what happened and i suspect be more soft collusion between some members of the trump team and some people close to the kremlin that we will get evidence of that but question whether whether or not that misconduct can be tied to president trump himself and that may be a much, much harder thing to do. >> okay. thank you. appreciate it nicholas kristof. thanks so much. >> i got to bring the panel back in. grab my glasses here. president trump and speaker ryan spoke for 45 minutes tonight. president trump spoke by phone following the house republican conference multiple sources are telling cnn. source with direct knowledge described it as good call in
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wake of the house moving forward on the preferred strategy, no more negotiating. time to vote. aide to ryan called it great discussion. phil mattingly reported some of this. said entirely positive call. noting reports about potential blame. whoever is saying that, clearly doesn't know their relationship. >> i'll tell you what, let's wait until 6:00 p.m. eastern time tomorrow when we assume a vote will have occurred and see what the fallout is. put aside it's donald trump right now, and he tends go after his enemies. in washington, it's all about blame. right? if it doesn't work out, who are we going to blame. >> not just donald trump but brietbart, hannity, rush limbaugh. >> paul ryan, paul ryan, paul ryan. >> insider is telling me that trump and aides know this bill
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is getting trumped tomorrow. pressing to push it back on ryan and weak traitor republicans. >> if you listen to conservative talk radio circuit, they've been talking about ryan care as rhino care. they have wanted trump to get in there and do a deal that looks more like what they want. closer to what conservatives want. it's not surprising that white house is taking that up saying it's ryan's fault. i think they'll have an echo chamber ready made to say that. >> hold your thoughts. coming back, white house trying to change the subject from the russia connection but will they have to address all the unanswered questions? you're smart. you already knew that.
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republicans at odds on the house intelligence committee. what's it going to take to get to the bottom of the russian investigation. back with me now my panel. i guess if we figure out what it takes, you would be a wealthy woman. >> goes back to nick kristof, idea of predictions. nobody knows what is going to happen. causing panic among some republicans and democrats are tossing around the impeachment word. maxine waters doing that.
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democra democrats have to be careful overplaying their hands with this and what this investigation might turn out to be. white house in precarious position, basically saying they've never heard of paul manafort, mike flynn a volunteer. >> paul who? >> just a gentleman who worked for them for five or six months. they're in a difficult position. then all of this back and forth between nunes and schiff leading to the question of whether or not any of these investigations will be credible to the public. >> point is watching chairman nunes yesterday. went over to the white house, then gave two press conferences instead of going to his own committee. then he said -- giving the president cover for his claims but there's no prove. there's no cover for those claims. >> what i found most surprising out of what devin nunes said
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yesterday in interview with jake tapper. i thought the president needed to know so he could make a decision about whether the collection was right or not. to me made no sense. investigation about him or his associates. how could he be judging whether the evidence was rightly collected? >> i think schiff did the same thing today. came out with what i thought was unstory. old school thought. intel committee should get out of the press. go in the back room and be sequestered, seriously looking at documents. further you get away from the public debate, closer to bipartisan. >> you don't think should hand to independent? >> absolutely should. yesterday proved why. >> how can nunes have any credibility? >> they all are going out -- >> come on jack.
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don't do that. >> out in the press. adam today. i think the world of both. >> then you should support independent inquiry. all the more reason. >> i still have faith in them. if you get independent counsel, take them six months to gear up, staff up. everybody right now, bipartisan group with all the security clearances, know the ins and can get to it. special prosecutor not going to quit until he has a head. >> nunes so transparent yet. could see it all is partisanship. >> committee started out pretty good. bipartisan, agreement on witnesses and scope. yesterday devin nunes crossed the line. unprecedented. no good faith on that committee anymore. house of representatives,
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shocking as it may be to people, fraught with politics. intel committees also. this is why you need independent commission. >> never heard you say that for irs or -- >> proceed. >> did you have anybody doing that for fast and furious or benghazi? what nunes did yesterday? >> no. >> maybe that's why he's saying it. you can't say what he did yesterday didn't reek of partisanship and politics. >> i agree it wasn't helpful. it it was politics. but ranking member who is friend of mine does the same thing to the degree go out in press as he did today, make announcement about new resolutions. >> he's not running to the subject of the investigation and giving the subject information about the investigation. if this had happened -- don't
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you watch "law & order"? if you do that in -- you get in trouble. >> so far nobody gotten on airplane with attorney general. >> that wasn't investigation. >> when bill clinton's wife being investigated by fbi and gets on the airplane. >> and every single democrat in the world came out and said he shouldn't have done it. that he should never have gone on the plane. >> i really believe that right now intel committee should say stay off the press. see what we can get done by ourselves. >> damage is done don't you think? >> it is but i have to agree with jack on this. i would prefer independent commission and prosecutor. crit se critical issue is whether the justice department is going to interfere with what comey is up to with fbi. somebody has to make decisions how he goes forward and if that person is reporting to jeff sessions, attorney general,
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their boss, that's the danger of interference, but as long as you have the committee, seems to me leave the investigation to the investigator to not cherry pick and run out with conclusion based on incomplete information as piece of the survey. it does undercut the credibility of the committee. i think nunes went too far and i think schiff whom i respect shouldn't have gone there today either. just go quiet and let the investigations proceed. >> already. there we go. e.f. hutton has spoken. coming back. president trump fires off another line. i'm president u you're not. will that silence his critics? y. will that silence his critics? y. will that silence his critics? ,. will that silence his critics?
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"time" magazine's interview about president trump about past untruths is full of new untruths from the president. cnn's brianna keilar fact checks what the president has to today. >> president trump unveiling a string of untruths as he talks
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about how he handles the truth in an nv with "time" magazine. start with explanation of his recent claims that president obama wiretapped him before he entered the white house. claim unfounded and unsupported by almost all democrats and republicans. remember this trump said, when i said wiretapping it was in quotes because wiretapping today you know it is different than wiretapping. it is just a good description. but wiretapping was in quotes. what i'm talking about is surveillance. >> the president's tweet said clearly wiretapping, in quotes. >> not exactly. in this tweet but no in this one. on surveillance pointed to comments from devin nunes chair of the house intelligence committee. >> recently -- none of this
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related to russia or investigation of russian activities or of the trump team. >> that communication seemingly picked up by agencies legally looking at foreign targets. nunes's evidence remains secret. even members of his committee have yet to see it and he shoots down the original claim. >> just to be clear, there is no evidence that president trump was wiretapped? >> that is correct. >> on false campaign that ted cruz's father was connected to president kennedy's assassin. trump told time, i didn't say that. that was in the newspaper. i didn't say that. that was the "national enquirer." the supermarket tabloid. and on the untrue assertion that millions of people voted fraudulently which is why he lost to hillary clinton in the popular vote.
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mostly they register wrong. in other words for the votes. you have numbers of people. i'm forming a committee on it. interesting to see if that includes folks who oversee voting practices. secretaries of state. many republicans. >> voter fraud exists, it's rare. >> i'm not seeing in voting irregularity in the millions. always on the edges. not in the millions. i don't know what he was talking about. >> maybe not. trump also talked about he was right about winning on election night though he said he thought he would lose. and talking about muslims celebrating 9/11 in new jersey although never krob rated. at end he dropped the mike. i'm president, you're not. fact check, true don. >> back now with my panel.
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mark, first time i saw you, rereading -- >> first time you were sitting in chair getting makeup. >> just very little. two seconds. and i said rereading this. can't make heads or tails of it. what did you think when you read it? >> response to you was, i would be concerned if you actual understood what he was trying to explain right? because his idea of explaining his way out of some of the pronouncements he's made that some people call falsehoods, probably better termed lies, flat-out lies, causes people to get confused and creates chaos and he seems to thrive on chaos. that's what the time interview seems like, chaotic. >> at time he needs to be focused on health care and big vote, idea that someone in the white house okayed him doing this, sitting down and talking
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about -- knew it was about truthfulness and own record -- >> the interview? he thought it was about how he predicts things. then the writer says the crux of this interview is not about that, and he says it's about wiretapping? >> he should be talking about health care at this point. giving this interview, i think he wanted to do it partly because he thought he was going to be on the cover. at some point bragging he's been on more covers than anybody else. it's not true. nixon has. but it was sad reading this. this guy so protective of his ego and insecure he makes things up. >> that's why 40%. not that people disagree with him but he's so consumed with him instead of with them. >> reminded me reading it seriously like the high school quarterback that used to drive the camaro and see them 20 years
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later. i had the most touchdowns. why are you doing that? you're leader of the free world? it's interesting, when i hear him in person, for the most part you kind of get what he's saying. read the written word, i wonder, do you think he believes this? says it a lot. >> says lies. >> george con stanza, if you believe it, it's not a lie. >> if you talk to some of his friends, they say he actually believes some of these things. >> that's really sad. >> it is where it is. but i actually think that some of -- this has cumulative effect and i think in the last few days passed threshold on the wiretapping issue. put the public in whole new place. see the evidence of the
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quinnipiac poll. i believe if he gotten rid of his tweet and tried to stick to the truth with humility, think the popularity would be higher and he would have health care as a breeze tomorrow. but i think lack of the credibility is cutting into capacity to get other things done. >> this quinnipiac poll about dishonesty, 60%. >> astonishing number. >> jack did you read? >> i just want to point out some of the previous presidents, okay. not only can you keep your own health care plan, which we knew to be lie, president obama said 90% of the budget deficit due to george w. bush's policies. >> was that a lie? >> yes. fact checked. day after benghazi happened i acknowledged this was act of terrorism. he did not. i did not talk the islamic state
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the jv team. this was barack obama. over the past few years no -- executed attack on our homeland directed from overseas. >> that is in the course of eight years. >> major lies. >> but course of eight weeks and i've not fact checked those. may be right on some of those. did he believe in conspiracy theories? that ted cruz's dad had something to do with jfk or president not born in the united states? did he believe -- >> i guess this is where -- i think what happens is republicans are willing to defend their guy. my guy. and democrats are defend their guy. >> hold on. whoa. no. i want to just go over what you said. republicans willing to defend their guy. down he's telling the truth or just defending him? >> combination.
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depends on what he's saying. i think on the wiretapping his word got ahead of him. i think there was surveillance and what he intended to say. >> that's what nunes said. didn't say surveillance of trump tower but of foreign agents that might have been picked up. not true he said this was surveillance yesterday of trump himself. >> he also said no wiretapping. >> so what truth is there to what trump is saying? >> well i think if the discussion is on is this going on and on, think there was wiretapping lesson probably learned by this administration. i think in the last two or three weeks tweeting has gone down. so i do think we're moving on. >> that's true. >> producer is in my ear. let you in the other side. we'll be right back.
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back now with my panel. talking about the president and ti "time" magazine interview but
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has history of calling out others for not telling the truth. watch this. >> lying ted. in the case of lying ted cruz. oh, he lies. we don't want to say lying ted. i'd love to pull it out and just use it on lying, crooked hillary. she's a world-class liar. she's either a liar or grossly incompetent. >> representative kingston, don't you think it's a bit hypocritical though? >> he's a tough guy. it's a tough world. >> one more. >> one more obama quote. say this as plainly as i can. combat mission in iraq will end by this time. absurd. that involved people's lives. i think serious lie in itself by our former commander in chief.
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>> and i'll take over. wasn't exactly barack obama but there was also a line about how a video started the benghazi attack. >> susan rice. >> we could go on. i think quantitatively and qualitatively donald trump's lies transcend that. i think bill clinton and barack obama helped change norms and that they led us to donald trump who i think is a bigger liar than even they were. they get some blame for this. >> donald trump lies and then covers up his lie with a lie. right? in the interview -- >> other thing he does too -- >> there is no proof or evidence. yeah but what i was talking about is blah blah blah. >> one of the targets.
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"new york times," reporter on tonight proud of a headline that said treason in the area. and then in the interview didn't have anything but innuendo and possible treason. in fact last question to him, he actually said i think in the end find may have been somebody who had contact, probably soft cooperation, trump would not have known about it. >> new yo >> he probably didn't write the headline. >> let's not say the failed "new york times" as we might in republican circles. does the media at times lie? >> the norm of what is the media and definition wrongly frankly, has changed over time. folks who consider themselves journalists are really not yet what they are is partisan hacks quite frankly. >> i do see a lot of media, i
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don't mean mainstream but websites, who lie. lot of lies about me. people who write about me and don't ask whether it's true or not. but mainstream media, i think most of the mainstream media you have to go through standards and practices before you put information out and most do. >> and there's system of corrections to. go to the "new york times" in the paper you see corrections if they get something wrong. corrections is not something donald trump is familiar with. he doubles down on a lot of the falsehoods. why the article so startling. >> if you haven't read this, to me jack, the article is -- it's bordering on delusional. >> unadulterated donald trump. >> someone say there's absolutely no evidence and he goes ah -- >> wait a minute. there is no evidence to that. he goes on to pretend that there
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is. that doesn't concern you? >> it concerns me but i also think as david said, lot of the things he does believe. i have dealt with some highly successful people. >> do you have kids? when they believe things that you know -- do you tell them honey that's just not true, you can't believe that, it's not true? there's a monster under the bed. there's no truth. it's in your head? >> i think we all should be telling the truth but i also say i think a lot of people who have that -- don't say it negatively but to run for president of the united states you have to have a big ego. going to say out of 320 million people, i'm the one that should lead all of you. there's ego that comes with it. they have often -- >> delusional. delusions of grandeur.
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back with my panel. pictures of president trump sitting behind the wheel of a mac truck for truck drivers of america. come on, you have to admit these photos are hilarious. >> it's not michael dukakis. >> it's kind of charming. it's part of why people like him. only in that moment he is
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enjoying this. >> they invited the truckers and outside of the office and sat down and had awkward guy. >> a caption for this photo. i have to pass a fall stone or something. >> what do you want me to say? >> this is tomorrow's new york post. >> my way or the highway. >> that helps my way or the highway. >> is this your car. >> similar to it. >> let's put it right here. >> 1993 buick road master wagon.
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>> does anyone want one? >> when you don't build trump tower, that's what you drive. >> he's meeting with truckers in the middle of this. he's having fun with truckers. >> he said the vote was happening tonight. it had been canceled. everybody else knew for -- >> if he was on twitter, he would have known. it goes to white house staffing. no one slipped him a note and he was reading from a text. >> he wanted the break to get away from capitol hill. >> he was meeting with a speech writer and he said can you believe? i wouldn't say that. you want to sneak in here. >> why we love him. >> he said today after the last some odd days, i want to drive
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good evening from washington. thanks for joins us on the anniversary of the, fo affordab care act. a deadline is set where house republicans have been trying to reconcile two opposing factions and one the freedom caucus and one the coverage in the bill and the

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