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the ultimatum from president trump. get the health care deal done today or else. he tells house republicans he will move on if they don't. the ways of washington grind the deal to a halt. here it is. this is the day. good morning. thanks for getting an "early start" with us. i'm dave briggs. >> it is friday, march 24th. i'm christine romans. it is win or go home. laying down the ultimatuultimat. pass it today or you are stuck
with obamacare. all this after the vote was postponed thursday after it was clear they did not have the votes. frustrated with the freedom caucus after both spent the day trying to quote grind them down. >> one senior administration official said the president tried to address the freedom caucus concerns with the bill. they kept moving the goal post. mr. trump is just done. another official says he wants to move on with tax reform. now emerging with the white house laying the ground work to place the blame on others to paul ryan to caucus and others in the staff to roping him into the bill. the freedom caucus chairman mark meadows told members to vote their conscious. >> i'm optimistic. i don't put grades or numbers on anything. that would make for a better
headline. i'm still optimistic that everybody is negotiating in good faith. >> then among the horse trading, this dropped. the score from the congressional budget office. worst than the first. this revised bill would cost more, but leave just as many, 24 million, uninsured. if you are only saving $150 billion. how does that play into the notion of making it cheaper and better? >> and no improvement on premiums. that is what the freedom caucus is asking. >> and now 27 republicans are nos. 31 lawmakers maybe or definitely against it. >> with the vote hours away, big questions. will the president's ultimatum force the caucus to fall in line? what might be the fallout if the
dealmaker president can't close this deal. our coverage begins with phil mattingly on capitol hill. >> reporter: dave and christine, it was abrupt and not subtle. a message from the top adviser to the house republican conference. house republican conference that would not get into line for the health care bill. the time to negotiate is over. time to vote is now. the president, according to the budget director, was demanding a vote on friday. even the president's team and speaker's team knows they don't have the votes. listen to what house speaker paul ryan had to say after the conference meeting. >> we have been promising we will repeal and replace this broken law because it is failing families. tomorrow we are proceeding. >> reporter: they don't know they have the votes. they are pretty sure they don't. at least going into the enormous
consequential day. the hope is to back all of the individuals into the corner and give them no other option. will that work? we will see in a couple hours. dave and christine. >> he still looks fresh. i know he has been working his tail off the last 48 hours. if the house passes the obamacare repeal bill, it has a long road ahead. it next goes to the senate. only changes are effecting the budget. they chose to move under 51 votes instead of 60. then it goes it committee to work differences. if both houses sign off, it goes to the president for his signature. even if that happens, this is still just bucket one of what republicans promise will be a three-phase process. in bucket two, tom price makes changes to the way insurance is regulated.
bucket three, congress is supposed to pass other stand alone bills. those changes will need 60 votes. good luck with that. requiring cooperation from democrats. we learned about that yesterday with neil gorsuch. it doesn't look like cooperation is going to happen. let's bring in eugene scott with us here in new york and political economist greg valliere for horizon investments. good morning. thank you for being with us. eugene, let's start with you. best guess. what happens?reluctant lawmaker turn? >> within the next two hours? i guess four? >> vote happens later. >> i imagine significant change has to be made before this
morning. it is not looking like the lawmakers are going to budge and the trump administration is hoping they will. i think someone out there named john boehner is saying i could have told you this before if you thought this would be simple as you said it would be while you were campaigning. >> there is nothing simple about the legislation. nothing simple about undoing the legislation. greg, let's talk about the freedom caucus. you hear frustration from folks in the white house. about the power of the freedom caucus and moving the goal post. is there a chance that the president can wrangle them today? >> pretty unlikely. i agree with eugene. freedom caucus is the reason john boehner is in retirement right now. it is 30 people, but they will
control the debate. i think the obamacare issue dies on the floor today and on the floor of the senate. i don't see it making it. >> i heard interesting conversation yesterday from folks who said we should just pass the repeal bill like we did before. the house passed it. the senate passed it. president obama. straight repeal and go from there. >> that leaves millions on the hook. >> they say they will fix it later. is there a trick up their sleeve? >> i don't see one. in a perfect world, christine, republicans would go to the democrats and say let's reform obamacare. this is not a perfect world. tomorrow, they were going down a dead end. the democrats are not looking to be conciliatory. >> it doesn't look like 60 votes. eugene, the notion is the president is the closer or
dealmaker. it did not appear so yesterday. 30 republicans stood up in favor of signing on to the bill. one spoke out against. one that spoke in favor is bryan mast from florida. he lost both legs in afghanistan. how powerful is that for the lawmakers? >> i don't think it is powerful at all. one thing that many failed to realize. >> there were tears shed in the meeting according to reports. >> not by everybody. reality is the republican party philosophically is more diverse. i think the thought is we will scare the freedom caucus members with the plan. they are afraid they will lose to democrats in 2018. there are freedom caucus members who are afraid to lose more to the right of them. you can't get them to move moderate is if the fear is they
have already moved too much. >> greg, you will see the issue today. just 17% approve on the health care plan. 56% disapprove. maybe in hindsight the president should have done tax reform first. if this blows up today, does it hurt on the rest of the agenda? >> sure it does. who knew it would be this com y reply indicated? complicated? i worry he will change the sung. he will say or do something controversial in the next few days to divert attention away from the fiasco. >> we talked about things leading up. he sold himself during the campaign as the ultimate dealmaker. >> i'm going to make the great
deals. i'm going to make great deals for our country. i built an extraordinary business on relationships and deals that benefit all parties involved. always. >> i make deals. i negotiate. >> everybody wants me to negotiate. that's what i'm known as. >> i'm anxious to negotiate. >> nobody can out negotiate these deals. >> i will make a great deal and lots of great deals for the american people. >> we don't make great deals anyway. we will once i become president. >> that was the pitch. that is why people elected him. one thing i read in "art of the deal" he said quote i never get too attached to one deal. >> is he moving on? >> he would have to. i would make this quick point. it is too early to write an obituary for tax reform. it may take a year to get it done, but i think we will get it. >> that is what the markets want to hear. that is something the president
really wanted to do first. you hear this frustration. eugene, how he wanted to get moving quickly on tax reform. his treasury secretary said we have something done by, you know, by august recess. is that impossible? >> i don't think so. i think we saw he supposedly according to sources blaming speaker ryan for making this the first move that they have taken on because to your point, he wanted to move first with tax reform. we also have footage he would repeal obamacare on day one. the reality is this is something he promised voters he would tackle immediately. the reality is it is harder than he thought. >> we showed that montage. maybe the headline tomorrow morning is wow. they got a deal. >> look. how many times did we write this guy off? he was at 1% in the polls. no one gave him a chance. he was laughed out of the primary. he's the president now.
how can you count him out? >> we're going to come back and talk about this. get a cup of coffee. 4:00 a.m. in the east. talk to you in a minute. today's vote on health care could implicate tax reform. the biggest prize for the stock market. if all goes well, it will likely help the president's chances of scoring tax cuts. it will be easier for paul ryan because saving money there will pay for cutting taxes. if the bill fails, one former senior budget office staffer says it could derail the agenda. another says it may motivate republicans to move quickly on tax reform. since the election, the stock market is pricing in the best-case scenario. push stocks to record highs. the rally has paused because of the uncertainty. it has investors on edge. stocks is a leading indicatoind.
the health care bill to pave the way for tax reform. we see what happens. >> do you really get a sense for where it goes if there is no deal? >> if there is no deal, you have a lid on things. if you have no deal, stalled tax reform, a lid on the stock market. believe it or not, this is the start of the news from washington. top leaders of the house intel committee are at odds over suggestions of collusion over trump associates and russia.
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i think it is appropriate to say it is the kind of evidence you would submit to a grand jury at the beginning of the investigation. >> the new evidence of collusion from schiff. you have no idea what he is talking about? >> i don't. >> you have not seen any evidence of collusion? >> no. >> nunes apologized for taking the communications to the president before he told members of the committee. nunes will not say where he got the information. house minority leader nancy pelosi among the growing number of democrats calling for a non-partisan commission to handle the investigation of russia election meddling. senate democrats lining up to fight the confirmation of neil gorsuch. on the record opposing the president's supreme court nominee. schumer is vowing to launch a filibuster. gorsuch must earn support of eight democrats to break a filibuster. republicans are threatening to use the so-called nuclear option
to change senate rules so gorsuch could be confirmed with a simple majority of 51 votes. cnn has learned least six secret service members are facing discipline action for a suspect who jumped the fence and roamed the white house for 16 minutes until he was apprehended. mr. trump was in the white house at the time. special agents and officers from secret service are involved. death toll rising following the terror attack in london. we are live in london with what we are learning about the attacker.
new this morning, two cigars in the london terror attack. it comes after one more passed away. bringing the death toll to four. an american from utah celebrating his 25th wedding anniversary with his wife who was also injured. we are learning new details about the attacker who was known to police and inspired by isis. i want to go to scotland yard and bring in nina dos santos. what are we learning about the attack, nina? >> reporter: thank you, vi christine. we learned a lot. the metro police have given us statement. they given us his birth name. we know he is 52 years old. khalid masood. he was born in kent, east of where i am. he was living in the midlands in the city of birmingham.
the second largest city in the uk. 118 miles from where i am today. police confirmed they had made two cigsignificant arrests overnight. one in the midlands and northwest of the country. appealing toward all witnesses who continue to get in touch with police. anybody who knew khalid masood. and what he was doing in westminster and the immediate events that led him to committing the atrocity he committed a day and a half ago. >> british born. a concern for people who are trying to figure out how these men are radicalized. thank you, nina. president trump's deal making skills work in washington? we find out today thanks to his ultimatum demanding a house vote on health care. the white house already laying
president trump tells house republicans he'll walk away if they don't vote for and pass the health care bill today. will it work to bring conservatives and moderate republicans under one roof as the clock ticks. ticks. tick. tick. >> it is a loud tick. >> it really is. a clock or a bomb? i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs. donald trump called himself the closer. it is 4:30 eastern time. it is the political version of win or go home. president trump laying down ultimatum to house republicans. talks are over. vote on the health care bill today and pass it or you will be stuck with obamacare and forced to explain why you didn't vote to repeal it. all this after leaders postponed
votes scheduled for thursday when it became clear it did not have the votes. white house and house leaders said to be frustrated with the ultra conservative freedom caucus after trying to grind them down apparently to no avail. >> one senior official said the president tried to convince the freedom caucus. they kept moving the goal post. one official said he is done. he wants to win and move on to tax reform. now trying to lay the blame from house speaker paul ryan to the freedom caucus and his staff for roping him into the bill. the freedom caucus chairman mark meadows told the members to vote their conscious. >> i know it would make a better headline. i'm optimistic that everybody is negotiating in good faith to get
there. >> hurting the case for the bill is the updated score from the congressional budget office. the cbo says the revised bill will cost more and leave just as many, 24 million, uninsured with no impact on premiums. cnn's whip count of votes shows 27 republicans no. 31 lawmakers maybe or definitely opposed to the bill. >> and they are hours away. the questions, dave, will the ultimatum force the freedom caucus to draw the line? what might be the fallout if the dealmaker president can't close the deal? our coverage begins with phil mattingly on capitol hill. >> reporter: dave and christine, it was abrupt and not subtle.
the house republican conference would not get in line with the house bill. the time to negotiate is over. the time to vote is now. the president according to the budget director was demanding a vote on friday. although the president's team and speaker ryan's team know they don't have the votes. it is a strategy that is backed by house leadership. listen to what paul ryan had to say after the late night conference meeting. >> we have been promising the american people we will repeal and replace the broken law because it is failing. >> reporter: what is clear is they don't know they have the votes. they are pretty sure they don't. at least going into the huge enormous consequential day. the hope in president trump's decision to back the individuals into the corner and give them no other option that they will come along. will that work? we will see in a couple hours. dave and christine. >> thank you, phil. keep up the hard work.
even if the house passes the obamacare repeal bill, it still has a long road to go. next to the senate. the only changes allowed there are those effecting the budget. house republicans chose to most of the measure under reconciliation rules to pass with 51 votes instead of 60. if the senate passes the bill, it goes to conference committee to work out differences. at this point, major differences. then it goes to the president for hissi signature. >> if all that happens, this is still bucket one of what republicans promise a three-phrase process. in bucket two, tom price makes administrative changes to the way insurance is regulated. in bucket three, pass house bills. those changes will need 60 votes. that means you cannot do this
without democrats. let's bring in eugene scott with us here in new york. and in washington, greg valliere. chief strategist of horizon investments. two headlines tomorrow. this went down in flames. this didn't work. the other headline is they pulled off a miracle. could there be another headline? >> i don't think so. christine, if they pull off a mirac miracle, i cannot see this making it through the senate. we can glaze everybody's eyes this morning talking about the bird rule. dave hinted you can't get a lot of this stuff done in the senate without violating the bird rule. i just think chances of getting a bill of really slipped dramatically. >> we talked about stripping essential benefits. that is hard to argue. >> that's the bird rule. >> that is what the freedom caucus asked for.
sean spicer asked many times about is there a plan b. he had this to say. >> if it doesn't pass, there is a plan b? >> no. there is no plan b. there's a plan a. we are not looking at plan b. we have plan a. it will pass. we will go from there. >> is there acknowledgment of a plan b? >> no. >> what is the plan? >> it will pass. that's it. >> whether or not pushing the vote to today is plan b is hard to figure. to christine's point, eugene. if this fails today, what then? mark meadows says whether the vote is today or tomorrow or five days from now, the president gets a victory? >> it is important there is a timeline because a vote needs to happen by 7:00 p.m. we are still within the first 100 days.
this is something that the administration is not going to give up. this is something that people, i believe, will continue to press him on throughout his first term in office. i think it is possible that a plan b could arise later on. i don't think right now. i think that's the point spicer is trying to make. >> and one of the weird things is by keeping obamacare in place is a stretch. you have democrats who are watching the unraveling of the coalition of obamacare with almost glee. obviously we are talking about millions of people who are affected. in the deal, there were final sweeteners. repeal of the essential health benefits. requiring maternity care. requiring emergency services. you know, requiring the basic
standards of health care in all of the plans. it requires the states to list by 2018. it pushes the states for mental health and et cetera and delays repeal of the medicare surcharge. the charge the caucus was moving the goal post. what is it they want? >> the optics are horrible. they want reduction of the government's role in health care. that will not fly with moderate republicans in the senate. you not mention, christine, the other deal breaker for people like rob portman which is dramatic cuts in medicaid. i cannot possibly see a bill that can make it through the senate. >> the conservatives are calling this republican welfare bill. this is interesting, eugene. what moderates see as health care for citizens -- two world views. >> absolutely. i think we are seeing within the republican party the diversity
of the opinion on how the government should best respond to health care. we saw a new jersey republican yesterday actually say he thinks obamacare is actually better than the replacement plan which is a surprising response. it exemplifies how hard it is to get the republicans on the same page. >> hanging over all of this, president trump. we counted him out so many times. he was at 1%. he is now in the oval office. how can we count him out now? >> i think he has victories ahead. i think he will win with gorsuch. i think that nomination will be confirmed. i think we get tax reform. it will take a while. it is too early to write the obituary for tax reform even if the health care bill goes down in flames. >> i'm saying on this bill. who is to say he can't get those reluctant lawmakers in the end when they decide party unity. am i voting for president trump?
am i going to give him one vote to get him over the top? >> i don't think you win in the town with threats. he made a lot of threats to republicans. you will lose your seat. things like that. i'm not sure that is effective. as john boehner, who is now in retirement, in florida, will tell you that you can't beat the freedom caucus. donald trump will learn deal making in new york city is different from deal making in washington, d.c. >> there is somebody who can make threats. i use air quotes. the markets on tax reform. that is another powerful player in this. you stall on tax reform and you take a few bad days in the stock market. you get coalition in the house. >> absolutely. the markets could provide quite a verdict in the next few days if they think tax reform is now in trouble. i'm not sure they are there yet. a defeat of the bill is not a good story for the markets. >> some suggested they need the
money from the health care bill to do tax reform. one of many questions. >> don't go away. thank you for being here. speaking of money. the poorest american families could lose federal benefits worth one-third of income. this is is according to the urban institute and tax policy center. here is what it would look like four years in the republican plan. the average family earning less than $10,000 would lose $1,400 in subsidy. that is a loss of 30%. on the other side, families earning $200,000 a year would gain $5,000 of tax credits. the good news for those in the middle. families with younger and middle aged parents making more than $50,000 a year would be better off. still crunching the numbers. all of these think tanks.
optics for 2018, if you are making -- rich people have benefit in health care and hurting poor people and the middle class. that is a problem in 2018. as if republicans and democrats didn't have enough to work out, the top officials on the house intel committee now disagree over how much evidence really exists linking the president's associates and russia. we hear from both next.
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talking about the evidence the fbi is looking at or we're looking at. it is appropriate to say it is the kind of evidence you submit to a grand jury at the beginning of the investigation. >> the evidence of collusion from schiff. you have no idea what he is talking about? >> i don't. no. >> you haven't seen any new evidence? >> not that i'm familiar of. >> nunes apologized for rushing to tell the president that the information was collected. before he told members of his committee. n nunes will not say where he got the information. now nancy pelosi is calling for a non-partisan investigation for the russian meddling. >> you have nunes apologizing for not sharing information with schiff, but schiff appears to have information he hasn't shared. >> it is complicated. it needs a nice airing. we have to let this play out.
senate democrats lining up to fight the confirmation of neil gorsuch. chuck schumer of new york and bob casey of pennsylvania are on the record opposing the nominee. schumer is vowing to launch a filibuster. gorsuch must get the support of eight democrats to break the filibuster. republicans are threatening the nuclear option so gorsuch could be confirmed with a simple majority of 50 votes. six secret service employees are facing discipline action for the breach at the white house. the suspect jumped the fence and recommended the ground for 16 minutes before he was apprehe apprehend apprehended. special agents and officers from the secret service are involved. investors have paused the trump stock market rally as they wait for the vote on health care. the tone is turning optimistic. i'll tell you why in cnn money stream next.
new this morning, two significant arrests in the london terror attacks comes after another victim of the attack passed away bringing the death toll to four. among them, an american from utah celebrating his 25th wedding anniversaranniversary. let's go live to scotland yard and bring in nina dos santos. what are we learning this morning? >> reporter: good morning, dave. the significant thing we're learning is the real name of
khalid masood. the 52-year-old attacker. originally his birth name was adam russell ajao. he was born in england and spent time in the midlands where the arrests have been taking place in the last few days. he was a convert to islam. he had only embraced that faith halfway through his life. he has a string of convictions. earliest from 1983. the last conviction in 2003. he was well known with extremist views. at one point mi5 was part of the investigation. two people were arrested overnight. significant arrests. that brings the total number of people in custody to nine in total. a huge amount of evidence gathered. 16 searching have been taking place. five still ongoing at this hour. we are learning more about the
victims. we now know overnight that a 75-year-old local man from south london also perished. that brings the total victim count to four. he has now been named as leslie rhodes. one american lost his life. 54-year-old kirkurt cochran. celebrating his wedding anniversary. >> thank you, nina. police in israel looking for a motive after arresting a jewish teenager after the is series of bomb threats across the country. the 19-year-old israeli-american was arrested after a months long investigation by the fbi. cnn's oren liebermann is joining us live from jerusalem. we are hearing relief of the arrest, but people are sad and perplexed this was the culprit. >> reporter: absolutely. quite stunning to get the police. we did not -- to get the message
from police. we did not expect the notification of a 19-year-old american-israeli jewish teenager behind the scores of bomb threats in the u.s. police say this started with the first threats in new zealand and australia. and the fbi investigation pinpointed who was behind the threats. the name remains under gag order. police detained his father as part of the investigation. both will be held for another week as police try to figure out what is behind this. we had a chance to speak with his defense attorney who said he suffered from a brain tumor that affected his behavior. it kept him out of school since the first grade and kept him out of the army. he was deemed unfit to serve in the military which is standard for somebody who is 19 years old. we spoke to some of his neighbors who say he was polite, but intro verted.
one neighbor spoke with him only in english which gives you background. he was a dual citizen. now the question of where he will face charges. will he be extradited? that is up to the investigation. christine. >> a bizarre story. relief some of the jccs around the country know who is behind the terrifying threats. thank you for that. oren liebermann in jerusalem. the kremlin is denying claims by ukraine it was behind the shooting death of a former russian lawmakers. denis voronenkov. vladimir putin is calling the fatal shooting a terrorist attack. moscow claims that claim is obje absu absurd. the market is stalled the past few days.
uncertainty in washington has stalled investors. futures moving higher. global stocks are higher. stunning statement from ford. it is expecting profit to drop 50% this quarter. ford says it expects sales to decline worldwide. including a drop in the asia pacific region. it also expects brexit to hurt the european operations which swung to a profit last year. it says it will be able to deal with tariffs or taxes slapped on imports from mexico if the trump administration decides. disney's ceo is sticking around until 2019. that will mark 14 years with the company for iger. he looks forward to naming a successor. that is not worrying wall
street. the stock higher on the news. shares of disney are up more than 20% the last six months. it allows iger to enjoy the success of two more "star wars" films. a yet to be named han solo feature in 2018. that follows "rogue one" a feature length teaser for the next two films. i like "rogue one." >> and one a year. we'll get a lot of that. "early start" continues right now. >> the ultimatum from president trump. get the health care deal done today. will the ways of washington grind the dealmaking president to a halt? "early start" has live team coverage right now of the important story. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm dave briggs.
friday, march 24th. 5:0 a.m. in the east. the political version of win or go home. president trump laying down an ultimatum to house republicans. vote on the health care bill today or you will be stuck with obamacare and forced to explain why you didn't vote to repeal it. all this after leaders postponed the vote scheduled for thursday when they did not have the votes. both the white house and house leaders said to be frustrated with that ultra conservative freedom caucus. after both spent the day trying to quote grind them down. >> a familiar trend emerging with the white house laying the ground work to place the blame on others. freedom caucus chairman mark meadows told members to vote their conscious. >> i'm still opt on mystic. i don't put grades on anything. that would make for a better headline. i'm optim