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now let's go to cnn chief political correspondent dana bash on capitol hill. dana, is there a sense of how iguodala know minu ignominious this is? >> yes, you can feel the air is thicker and frankly down the hall from where we are right now waiting for the house speaker's press conference, the republican members have had a meeting and i just came from where the floor was, our colleagues, deirdre walsh and manu raju and others are over by the meeting and they are reporting very grim faces, very deep sense of disappointment, and understanding of what this means. and as you said, if we can take a step back and talk about what this means, this was the fundamental major promise election after election after ee alexis that won the house of representatives for republicans in 2010, that won the senate for
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republicans as well, that helped win the white house for this republican president and here we are not even 100 days in to president trump's administration and what the speaker is telling his rank and file right now, manu raju just had this reporting -- i'm looking at his text right now -- that not only is this dead, he believes and his intention is to move on from health care for the rest of this congress. it is really stunning, stunning to think about that, to take a step back and wrap your head around the idea that these republicans and the house of representatives voted 60 sometimes over and over again for show votes saying that they're going to repeal obamacare and obviously knowing at the time that it was not possible because there was a man named obama in the white house who would never sign such a thing. now there isn't, and they're not going to get this done and i should tell you just by way of process of how this finally went down in this unbelievably dramatic few hours at 3:00 we are told by a leadership aide
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and phil mattingly had this reporting earlier that the president told the house speaker, i'm pulling the bill, that is the best course of action. jake? >> all right, dana bash, stay with me. i want to go right now to cnn's manu raju who is live right outside the conference room where speaker ryan met with house republicans. with we are expecting speaker ryan to come out. meantime, manu raju, what are you hearing from your position? >> reporter: those were the exact words from paul ryan. time to move on. that's what we're hearing member after member who left this meeting t it was a very brief meeting. it was a sign they're done negotiating, it's time to move on to other issues and put health care behind them. i had a chance to talk to andy barr, congressman from kentucky, that essentially means health care is dead for this congress. take a listen. health care is dead for this congress? >> well, you never say never, don't know if it will be permanently, but i think for the
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time being sure sounds that way. >> who is to blame for this? >> you know, i don't know if there is anyone to blame for this. i will say this, that the president and our leadership did a great job in having an open process. i advocated for amendments, many of my colleagues did. in all factions of our conference, in the tuesday group, in the rsc and in the freedom caucus. >> reporter: but, jake, i can tell you there is palpable frustration with two wings of the republican party, particularly the right wing of the party, the house freedom caucus, efforts to try to get them to back this bill failed. negotiations, to change this bill to move it to the right could not get these members on board. and trying to win over those moderates at the same time in that so-called tuesday group proved to be futile. so, this just showed how difficult, how divided this conference is over a fundamental issue and there is a lot of frustration, finger pointing and
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about how this went down. and whether or not they could have done a better job of selling this going forward. not just to the conference, but to the public, but significant disappointment from members who are leaving this room after failing to deliver on their central campaign promise. jake? >> all right, manu raju, stick around. thanks so much. let's go back to cnn chief political correspondent dana bash. and, dana, obviously what we just heard from the republican congressman there praising president trump, praising the house leadership, we're going to hear a lot of that on camera, but off camera we're going to hear a lot of finger pointing, a lot of blame about why this colossal failure was allowed to happen. it is a big deal for such a momentous vote to be pulled twice two days in a row. >> reporter: pulled twice with no end in sight, no vote in sight, and as you just heard from manu, and we'll hear from the speaker here, it really sounds like they want to move on to other issues. and you talked about, you know, the public versus the private.
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let's be clear, the blame game is already happening. my phone is blowing up. i bet yours is, too, jake. it started a couple of days ago as they saw this incredibly messy, unbelievably messy process going down. and what does that mean? it means we're hearing from conservatives saying the house speaker didn't do enough to bring us in early in the process. you're hearing from conservatives saying, well, you should have started with a bill that was more conservative, that the speaker he ceffectively negotiated with himself by putting forward something that wasn't conservative enough knowing it would have to be battered down from a conservative perspective as it went to the senate. and then of course you have a lot of blame on those very conservatives. i got an e-mail from i would say somebody who i would call a long time gop establishment figure saying, are you kidding me? these republican freedom caucus members, the ones who effectively shut down the government a few years ago
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because they were demanding a vote to repeal obamacare, which they knew would never become law at the time. and now they're the ones who are holding out a vote on a piece of legislation that would have gone a very large step to doing just that. those are just some of the things we're already hearing from these republicans. a lot of praise for the president saying he did get involved. he did his best. he did as good as he could given the circumstances. but, you know, look, what is the saying that victory has a thousand fathers and defeat has none? this is that on steroids, jake. it is unbelievable how much we are hearing so much bitterness and concern because of what this means. again, just to reiterate, it bears repeating, this has been the key republican promise and campaign after campaign, repeal obamacare, and now they're saying, we can't even figure out how to get it on the floor of the house. the republican-led house and we're punting. >> dana bash, stay with me.
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and while we wait for house speaker paul ryan, i also want to tell you we are expecting to bring you comments from president trump as well about this defeat. the president has had a rocky couple months as president, but this is perhaps his worst day on capitol hill, certainly the worst week of his presidency i think it's fair to say. gloria borger, let me go with you and you'll preemptively, i apologize when i have to trump any of our pammists when speaker ryan has to come out. dana popularized the saying, success has a thousands fathers and fame you're none. why don't you tell me, who do you think bears the brunt for this failure? >> i think that in the end it's going to be the president of the united states is in charge. the buck stops there. and he may want to blame the democrats, as he will, and there are going to be people at the white house who are already
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pointing knives towards paul ryan because he didn't do this the right way. >> sure. >> but let's just step back for a minute and look at what a disaster this is for the president. i mean, this isn't even his first hundred days. he wanted to get this through and clearly he has already said to us, you know, well, maybe i should have done tax reform and i didn't do tax reform. >> except they need the money from the repeal of obamacare to do tax reform. >> exactly. but if you look back on this, so, health care hasn't happened. their travel ban has been held up in the courts. he didn't rip up the iran nuclear deal on day one as he promised. the wall, who is going to pay for it? mexico says no. and, by the way, the administration itself is under a cloud with the fbi director appearing before congress and saying that there was an ongoing investigation about whether there was cooperation between trump operatives and the russians. >> only four days ago, by the way. >> right, only four days ago.
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so, if you take this in its entirety and you take a look at it, you say, this is not going well. this is not going the way the white house envisioned. and this is a president who wants to win. and paul ryan had to go to him and say, look, i know you had an ultimatum, i know you want a vote today, but listen to me. if you were to lose this, it would be even worse for you and let me tell you why, because the house itself could be in peril. >> and president trump used to say as a candidate, there is going to be so much winning you're going to get sick of winning. you're going to get so tired of all the winning. i don't know that i feel that. i don't know that i'm tired of all the winning. and i can't imagine that the president is. >> well, look on the bright side, they failed together, so unity. >> you're such an optimistic person. >> i think this is undoubtedly a loss for them. i do think there was an argument for this bill three days ago before it got rushed and a bunch
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of stuff added to it. there are real problems with the situation we have right now. >> obamacare is not in a good place. it does need fixing. >> and passing health care reform is really hard because, as gina was noting earlier, you're going to take things way from people after entitlement was given. that is why it was important for republicans to defeat this when it was issued. the way you sell a health care program to the american people is to lie through your teeth how nothing is going to change, everything is going to be awesome and then let the fall out come. that's what happened to obamacare. to the republicans credit they weren't lying through their teeth what this would bring. i appreciate that and never telling anybody they would never lose their plans, which is true. but i don't see them getting to another vote on this closer to election. it's always going to be a tough vote. >> jan, i will let you have a response to that but we are expecting speaker ryan to come out any second. i don't want to cut you off. hold that thought and your response in defense of obamacare. john king, in the few seconds we have left before speaker ryan comes out, he's usually pretty
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punish twal, people at the white house have been blaming paul ryan as gloria pointed out. is that fair? >> i just got a text from one, we were suckered into a trap. >> oh. >> admiral akbar. >> admiral akbar made an appearance. >> there is a lot of blame to go around here. we'll see if they recover. no one thought trump had a prayer of winning, a presidency no one thought he had a prayer of winning. why? he said he was going to change washington, he was going to fix things he alone was capable with the business experience. we have to repeal obamacare and we are we can do it. i've dealt with politicians all my life. if you can't make a good deal with a politician, then there is something wrong with you. you're certainly not very good. on this day the president of the united states is not very good. and he began the week by his own words, and he began the week with a 37% approval rating. we have one example of this in recent history when bliill clinn tried to pass health care. look what happened to his party
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in the next midterm. we live in a new wash where with new rules. this is a president who said i can change washington, i can do business, i can get things done. the politicians don't get this, i do. he failed. his first big test. >> this idea, david chalian, the president was suckered in, i think brit hume, one of our friends at fox news, said this paints a picture of paul ryan as this svengali character and president trump an a duchdult. why would they put that forward? >> kellyanne conway just stated this was ryan's bill. this is trying to -- >> he wrote it with tom price, the secretary of the department of health and human services. >> i think in a larger picture here, his 100-day mark is upcoming now. it's not just this that is a complete body blow and a real failure in the administration. here's paul ryan. >> here's house speaker paul ryan. let's listen up.
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>> you've all heard me say this before. moving from an opposition party to a governing party comes with growing pains and, well, we're feeling those growing pains today. we came really close today, but we came up short. i spoke to the president just a little while ago and i told him that the best thing i think to do is to pull this bill and he agreed with that decision. i will not sugar coat this. this is a disappointing day for us. doing big things is hard. all of us, all of us, myself included, we will need time to reflect on how we got to this moment, what we could have done to do it better. but ultimately this all kind of comes down to a choice. are all of us willing to give a little to get something done. are we willing to say yes to the good, to the very good, even if it's not the perfect. because if we're willing to do that, we still have such an incredible opportunity in front of us. there remains so much that we
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can do to help improve people's lives and we will because that's -- i've got to tell you, that's why i'm here. and i know it's why every member of this conference is here to make this a better country. we want american families to feel more confident in their -- in life. we want the next generation to know that, yes, the best days of this country are still ahead of us. i'm really proud of the bill that we produced. it would make a dramatic improvement in our health care system and provide relief by people hurting under obamacare. and what's probably most troubling is the worst is yet to come with obamacare. i am also proud of the long inclusive member-driven process that we had. any member who wanted to engage constructively to offer ideas to improve this bill, they could. and i want to thank so many members who helped make this bill better. a lot of our memorandum berds put a lot of hard work into this. i also want to thank the president. i want to thank the vice-president, i want to thank tom price, nick mulvaney and the entire white house team. the president gave his all in this effort.
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he did everything he possibly could to help people see the opportunity that we have with this bill. he's really been fantastic. still, we got to do better and we will. i absolutely believe that. this is a set back no two ways about it. but it is not the end of the story because i know that every man and woman in this conference is now motivated more than ever to step up our game, to deliver on our promises. i know that everyone is committed to seizing this incredible opportunity that we have and i sure am. >> talk about real people. now you have a long book. you guys don't like, the white house doesn't like. but it's going to be the law. do you plan to try to help it along and prop it up or do you plan to let it wither -- >> that's the problem. the question is we kind of prop it along and try and prop it up. it is so fundamentally flawed i don't know that that is possible. what we're really worried about is and you've heard me say this all along is the coming premium increases that are coming with a
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death spiraling health care system. that is my big concern. we just didn't quite get consensus today. what we have is a member driven process to try and get consensus. we came very close, but we did not get that consensus. that's why i thought the wise thing to do is not proceed with a vote, but to pull the bill and see what we can do. but i don't think the law as it is fashioned or anything close to it is really going to be able to survive. >> will you work on legislation now -- >> we're going to see. we're going to go back and figure out what the next steps are. >> mr. speaker, can you explain if it is the conservatives of the freedom caucus who effectively drove out your predecessor, boehner? are they responsible for the defeat here today? >> i don't want to cast blame. there is a block of no votes that we had that is why this didn't pass. they were a sufficient number of votes that prevented it from passing and they didn't change their votes. we were close. some of the members of that caucus were voting with us, but not enough were, and
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therefore -- and i met with their chairman earlier today and he made it clear to me that the votes weren't going to be there from their team and that was sufficient to provide the votes, the balance to not have this bill pass. >> mr. speaker, you all swept the house, won the majority with a promise to repeal obamacare. the majority in the senate with the promise to repeal obamacare. the white house with the promise to repeal obamacare. how do you go home to your constituents and send all of your members home to their constituents saying, you know what, it's not even 100 days into the administration, sorry, folks, can't figure it out? >> dana, it's a good question. i wish i had a better question for you. i believe obamacare is a law that is collapsing, it's hurting families. it was designed in a fundamentally flawed way. we believe this bill was the best way to go, but we just didn't quite get the consensus to get there. >> two questions for you if you don't mind. one, the bottom line is obamacare right now remains the law of the land. is that going to change in 2017? >> yeah, i don't know what else to say other than obamacare is
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the law of the land. it's going to remain the law of the land until it's replaced. we did not have quite the votes to replace this law. and, so, yeah, we're going to be living with obamacare for the foreseeable future. i don't know how long it's going to take us to replace this law. my worry is obamacare is going to be getting even worse. actually, i think we were probably doing the democrats a favor. i think we were doing the architects of obama a favor by passing this law before it gets even worse. well, i guess that favor is not going to be given to them and it's going to get worse. so, i don't think the architects of obamacare, i'm sure they may be pleased right now, but when they see how bad this thing gets, based on all the projections we're being told by the plans that are participating in obamacare, i don't think they're going to like that either. look, five states, you have one plan left, one choice. over a third of the counties in america, one plan left. and the kinds of projections we're being told from the people providing health insurance to these people in plans, it's going to get even worse. and, so, i don't think the architects of obamacare envisioned this future.
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it's certainly not one we want for the american people. and i wish we had the kind of consensus we needed to bring a bill to the floor to pass and replace it. but we just don't have that right now. >> mr. speaker -- thank you. what about the political capital that was burned today? you have to keep the government open and about five weeks the debt ceiling, still do tax reform, you say this part was integral to get to that part. how much capital did you burn on this today and how does that potentially injure those other bills? >> i think our members know we did everything we could to get consensus. this is how governing works when you're in the majority. we need to get 216 people to agree with each other to write legislation. not 210, not 215. we need 216 people in the house to agree with each other on how to write a piece of legislation. we didn't have 216 people. we were close, but we did not have 216 people. and that's how legislating works. and, so, now we're going to move on with the rest of our agenda
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because we have big ambitious plans to improve people's lives in this country. we want to secure the border. we want to rebuild our military. we want to get the deficit under control. we want infrastructure and we want tax reform. the last question you asked about tax reform, chad, yes, this does make tax reform more difficult, but it does not in in way make it impossible. we will proceed with tax reform. we will continue with tax reform. that's an issue i know quite a bit about. i used to run that committee. i spoke with the president, the treasury and his advisors about tax reform. we are going to pro steed with tax reform. you know how the numbers work. it's about a trillion dollars. that just means the obamacare taxes stay with obamacare. we're going to fix the rest of the tax code. >> you don't think what is passed is cruel, portends bad things? a >> i don't think this is prologue for other future things. members leel eyes there are other parts of our agenda people have even more agreement on on what to achieve. we have even more agreement on the need and the nature of tax
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reform on funding the government, on rebuilding the military, on securing the border. this issue had a big difference of opinion not whether we should repile and replace obamacare, but just how we should replace it. and that is the growing pains of governing. we were a 10-year opposition party, where being against things was easy to do. you just had to be against it. and now in three months' time we tried to go to a governing party where we actually had to get 216 people to agree with each other on how we do things and we weren't just quite there today. we will get there, but we weren't there today. yeah. >> i just had something. i wonder if you're going to move ahead with things two and three hhs phase 2 and hear what phase 3 legislation, and also if you can just talk about how the conference is doing right now. >> the conference is disappointed. the conference -- we were on the cusp of fulfilling a promise that we made. we were on the cusp of achieving an ambition we've all had for seven years and we came a little
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short. we were close, but not quite there. on your other issues, this bill would have made what we call phase two much, much better. nevertheless, i think there are some things that the secretary of hhs can do to try and sort of stabilize things, but really we needed this bill to make it better. for instance, risk pools, we believe the smarter way to help people with preexisting conditions get affordable coverage while bringing down the health care costs for everybody else is through reinsurance risk or risk sharing pools which this bill supplied for the states. that is not now going to happen and therefore he won't be able to deploy that policy tool that we think is better than obamacare. so, we do lose a lot of the tools we wanted to help improve people's lives and bring down health care costs in this country. thank you very much. >> do you have confidence in the -- >> yes, i do. >> house speaker paul ryan trying to put a good face on an ignominious defeat, saying the failure for the republicans to
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come up with a bill that would repeal and replace obamacare is an example of their growing pains, going from the minority to the majority. saying that they, quote, just didn't quite get consensus today, unquote. although he did also acknowledge obamacare is the law of the land. robert costa was on the phone with president trump minutes ago and he said the bill will not be coming up any time in the near future and trump will wait for democrats to come to him. let's discuss this all with our panel. david gurgan, there is an opportunity, it would seem, for president trump to try to strike a deal, the consummate deal maker, with democrats and maybe some of the moderate republicans to actually repair and fix some of the problems with obamacare. >> i think that's right. but i think it's a bigger opening actually for the democrats. yeah, they haven't been heard from, they've been quite silent during all of this. but now what he's saying is obamacare, we're going to let that go into a death spiral. the democrats can come back and say, look, we have saved
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obamacare. the country is breathing more easily. there are millions of americans out there who are triumphant tonight that they were saved. but we acknowledge there are problems in obamacare and we would like to work with you, mr. president, and come and workout some fixes. if he then refuses to work with them, which i think there is a good chance he would, they are in a position to say, we tried, we tried to fix these things. and you guys wouldn't cooperate. don't blame it on us. you guys wouldn't come to the table. you failed and one of your major pledges to the american people, you abyss mally failed and now you won't come to help fix it? >> i don't think he declines to come to the table, though. >> oh, oh, oh. >> his problem there would be ryan and mcconnell because the very people who blocked the vote today, they ran on repeal. not replace. they wanted open market system. they wanted it replaced. if you're going to cut that deal, make a grand bargain on health care republicans have to i sa we want to fix obamacare. >> >> let's take a quick moment to go to cnn's phil mattingly who
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was in the room there with speaker ryan. we heard what ryan said publicly. you were also in the room when he was meeting with house republicans behind closed doors? >> reporter: yeah, i was talksing to sources in that room, jake. this message was it wasn't a bluff. we were all taken aback when he made clear they're moving on from obamacare from repealing obamacare what they promised campaign after campaign after campaign. if we thought it was jarring, the members inside the room did ten times that. in the message to leadership to those members after they fell short, very far short i'm told of the 216 votes they needed, the president is done, the president told you last night he would be done and now we are moving on. this thing we campaigned on, this issue we won elections and majorities on as dana asked to the speaker just a few moments ago, it's clear that it's time to move on and there is no turning back at this point. there are no plans, there are no secondary bills that are planned. the president himself has instructed the house and the leadership to move forward and that is exactly what is going to happen. that was the message that was
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delivered to the members of the republican conference just a short while ago, jake. >> go to jan sake on the panel. you were at the white house and defending and promoting obamacare was a big part of your job for many years. are you surprised that the republicans, when the dog finally caught the cab, that it wasn't actually able to -- didn't know what to do with it? >> well, if you would have asked me in november if obamacare would be dead by now, i would have said yes, sadly. i think this issue they're looking at now, if your refrigerator is broken you're not going to burn down your house, you're going to buy a nw refrigerator. they tried to burn down the house and people didn't like that. so, if there is a better option republicans have for getting more competition in the market place, they should put that forward. democrats, including obama, sanders, clinton supported public option. that's not something that many republicans support. it may be hard to get there, but i think the bigger problem right now for trump and even ryan is that success begets success.
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that has always been the case in washington. and tax reform is incredibly hard. that's why it hasn't happened for 30 years. it was probably in at least six of president obama's state of the union addresses. and trump promised a 15% tax rate for corporations. they also aren't getting the savings which you touched on that they were depending on. so, they're going to have to pay, if they want to get rid of aca taxes they're going to have to pay $600 billion in tax reform. that's really hard and we may be seeing the same movie in just a couple weeks or months that we're seeing now. >> sa moan sanders? >> i think it is important to note any failures going forward that has to do with obamacare are in fact on the hands of donald trump and the republican leadership. they are in charge. you are literally in charge of washington right now and you can't get anything done. that's not only embarrassing, that has real live implications come 2017-2018 when we come around to the midterm. so, i think this finger pointing about who is to blame, they are all collectively -- have blood on their hands where this is concerned. >> republicans absolutely
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control the house and the senate, cnn's manu raju is on the hill talking to them. what are you hearing to the bill being pulled? >> reporter: sheer disappointment, jake. even from folks who did not support this bill. of course, the party has been united over that central campaign pledge to repeal and replace obamacare, but disappointment that there could be no consensus even from conservatives like justin a imagine of michigan saying he's upset they could not come to terms. even people who did support the bill, steve woe mack from arkansas who i just talked to said what other people are saying. the republican party has not learned how to be a governing party. >> this is going to be an ongoing leadership challenge for the governing majority. we are a very diverse conference. we have moderates and we have ultra conservative people within our conference. we are going to have to
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reeducate ourselves in mathematics and basic arithmetic that we are going to be stronger when we are united and 218 votes is going to be necessary to accomplish many of the things that we have on our legislative agenda. >> all right. nancy pelosi is speaking right now. let's go to that live. >> the affordable care act, yesterday as you know, was the seven-year anniversary of the president signing the bill. and the american people expressed their support for it. that message became very clear to our colleagues on the republican side of the aisle. today is a great day for our country. it's a victory. what happened on the floor is a victory for the american people, for our seniors, for people with disabilities, for our children, for our veterans. also, it's not just about the 24 million people who now won't have -- be off of health
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insurance. it's about the 155 million people who receive their health benefits in the workplace who will not be assaulted to buy some of the provisions that the republicans put in the bill, especially last night when they removed the essential benefits package. so, again, it's pretty exciting for us. yesterday our anniversary, today a victory for the affordable care act more importantly, for the american people. tomorrow is the 51st anniversary of reverend martin luther king, jr., saying in a speech, that mr. clyburn quotes often to us, that of all of the forms of inequality, inequality in health care is probably the most inhumane and can sometimes lead to death. that was the spirit in which we came into this debate, honoring the vows of our founder of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the healthy life to
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pursue our happiness. it's about our country and the vision of our founders. it's about our faith and it's about the unity of the democrats united by our values. and with that i'm pleased to yield to our distinguished majority -- sorry -- not sorry. democratic whip. >> not yet. this is a good day for the american people. we worked over years to assure that the american public would have access to affordable quality health care. we went a long way towards that effort in 2010 when we adopted the affordable care act. much of the credit for passing that bill goes to then speaker pelosi, now leader pelosi.
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who was indefatigable for ensuring every american would have the security of having the availability of health insurance. this bill went down today. it went down today because the majority of the representatives of the american people in the house of representatives thought this was a bad bill. >> all right. you're listening to the house democratic whip sten i hoyer. we just heard from the house democratic leader nancy pelosi. and let's bring back our panel. i think one thing that people can agree on, just from being observers of capitol hill, is that whatever you think of her politics, nancy pelosi was an effective speaker. she brought bills to the floor of the house and she won them. and i think that speaker boehner and now speaker ryan are finding it's not that easy actually because when you're in the majority, you tend to have a left wing of your party that
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disagrees with everything that the right wing of your party agrees with. we saw that play out with the moderates from new jersey and other states not wanting to get rid of a lot of the stuff that this bill would do. while a lot of people in the freedom caucus wanted it gotten rid of more and more quickly. >> she got-er done. this is hard work. it was always going to be hard. and i think there's a cost to doing nothing as well. this is beyond just a political point because this happens to be personal for me as well. the problems remain with obamacare and there is a death spiral -- >> let's just explain to people. you are actually one of the people on obamacare in the commonwealth of virginia in an individual market and it is -- you have not enjoyed it. it's been bad. >> it's actually not about me. there are many people far less fortunate than i am who were told they would not lose the plan they liked, they would not lose the doctor they like, premiums would go down and they would have choices. none of that is true for millions of americans and those people remain. that does not say this is the
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perfect bill for fixing that because ted end of the day i don't think it was after it was all cobbled together. >> as long as we're making this a bit personal, would this bill have improved your situation? >> i think perhaps slightly. >> because you're younger and premiums would have gone down? >> if you take this top level of federal mandates off and it goes back to state mandates that you could have more variety in the market, yes. for that individual market. but we have this franken stein monster that we created back in the 30s when we favored employers. no one is going to sever that because everybody is going to to be angry if you sever it. changing health care is really hard because you have to promise people there is not going to be disruption. but there is disruption. people like me are losing and people less fortunate than me have high premiums and deductibles they can't use. >> that's why republicans say we're going to table this for a year and a half because the base, republican base is not going to give up on wanting to repeal and replace obamacare. and i was just texting here with
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a republican political consultant who said if they don't do something, it's at their own peril. the question now is whether they start doing it incrementally. and we don't have an answer. and it was clear to me watching paul ryan, it's really true, there was no plan b, none. >> and remember, to m.k.'s point, she's here in suburban washington. a lot of these places where you only have one choice, rural areas represented bip rub cans, they can't go home next year and say this is barack obama's fault. he does not happen to be on the ballot next year. they own this, they own the government just as much as they're going to take credit for the economy, some of which happened under obama and will be improved for president trump. they're in power. you get the benefit, you also get the blame. they are the governing party. i thought speaker ryan was a man actually. stepping up and saying we have growing pains, we stepped up, this is hard. the question is can they recover. did they recover especially at a time we're in the early hours after this. but as we noted earlier there is
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a bit of a circular firing squad going on and blame game going on. it is an inevitable in washington and in politics. but if this was david and i were talking during some of these. this is not a thing they said they would do. this is the thing they said -- they have said in the -- and they benefited from this. they won in 2010 in part because of this. we're still in a recession. they won hugely in 2014 because of this and they won it all in 2016 with this at the top of their agenda. how did they now explain -- never mind. we're going to move on. >> it's been the organizing principle. it's not just a campaign promise. it's been the organizing principle for the republican party for the better part of a decade. so, it goes much deeper than that, but to gloria's point and this is why i think watching donald trump's reaction to this is going to be so critical because -- >> better take his iphone away. [ laughter ] >> what gloria is saying, a lot of grassroots will demand some sort of action because it has been that organizing principle. and yet what is clear to me from that paul ryan press conference and what is clear coming out of the white house so far is that's not the case.
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they're not all that invested in doing something incremental and having this on the agenda right now. and, so, we've all studied donald trump. it seems to me, my observation of donald trump, that his psychology around this will be like, that health care thing is a loser. and i do not want to touch a loser any more. i don't deal with losers. and that health care thing is loser so i think watching howell he responds to this is going to be critical because i think he doesn't want it on the agenda at all and that gets fund amouamen back -- >> i want to talk about sean spicer in the preconference in which he was acknowledging this thing wasn't going to pass although he didn't come out and say it, talking about how president trump had left it all on the field and president trump had been really engaged. i don't know that that's accurate. i think he worked really hard in some of these meetings that he had in the white house over the last couple weeks. president trump did an interview with tucker carlson about a week ago and in that interview tucker
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carlson talked about there are a number of your voters who are going to be worse off because of this bill. it's a great question. and trump's response was, well, then i won't sign it. it wasn't the kind of wonky familiar with the details explanation of why tucker was wrong, and why those individuals were actually going to be better off. it was, well, if that's what comes before me, i'm not going to sign it. >> it's hard to emphasize how narrow a view of the presidency sean spicer's premise represents. a piece of the presidency is negotiating with the congress. and we all know barack obama had trouble with it, but other presidents have done very, very well with it. that's only a piece of it. that's a piece of playing the inside game. it's also important for the president to be able to play the outside game, and that is to rally the country -- >> not just his supporters. >> not just his supporters. >> right. i think that's an issue with him. >> it's a very big issue with him. because when obamacare got passed, president obama and
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obamacare approval ratings in the 40s. and here he came into this with an approval rating for his bill at 17%. that's a huge difference. they also -- in the white house, there is someone who does public liaison as it's called and that is to work with all the outside groups, all the outside interest groups before you go with the bill to make sure some of the significant ones are on board. all the major groups in health care came out against it. doctors came out against it, nurses came out against it, hospitals came out against it. >> even aar p. >> they kept asking for cues from the white house. >> that's what the president does, rally people to make it possible to pass it. >> speaking of white house, let's bring in sara murray. president trump did make remarks. we're waiting or that tape to come in. what are you learning about what he had to say in >> reporter: that's right. he scrambled to bring the press in after this news so he could make remarks to them. he was with his vice-president mike pence as well as tom price, the health and human services secretary and sort of lamented,
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said this was a close vote but they couldn't get there. he went on to say they're just going to letto bama care collapse, explode on itself. there is nothing else you can do, that is essentially what is going to happen. it sounds like based on this read out that we're getting that the president did take pains not to really play the blame game publicly. he said that paul ryan worked very hard to try to get this done as well as tom price as well as mike pence. the president -- it looks like complimented himself on being a team player here, but he does appear to sound a little bit disappointed in the house freedom caucus, a little bit surprised that he was unable to bring them along. now, of course, jake, the big question is how do you move beyond defeat like this? how do you change the subject? how do you show that you're still a president who can get something done after touting yourself as a deal maker? and to reporters the president did sound like what he would do next is try to move forward on tax reform.
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obviously this is another complicated, very complex issue. we've been hearing from senior administration officials for the last couple of days that is really what the president is passionate about, that he wanted to be able to get health care reform done and then move on to tax reform. obviously the health care component of that is not happening and it appears that he and paul ryan are on the same page in terms of okay, next. >> next, indeed. sara murray at the white house. let's bring in right now former georgia congressman jack kingston, republican and trump supporter. what would you recommend to president trump who as you know watches a lot of cable? who knows, he might be watching right now. how should he handle this defeat, what should he do, what should he not do? >> i think he should let the house do its thing. i think the house should be looking at this. i think although there is a philosophical idea, let let obamacare collapse. house members won't. they'll be hearing from their constituents. there is something wrong, you have to react. you have health care committees. you have health care appropriation bills. there will be plenty of
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opportunities for amendments and so forth. but remember, you still have reconciliation. and the house isn't going to waste that opportunity. that's a powerful tool to do something. so, i think that they will be coming back with some sort of bill. i think in the meantime -- >> do you think they're going to do another health care bill? >> i think there will be some sort of -- they're going to look at this. i've been texting back and forth with my freedom caucus friends and my tuesday group friends and they all feel like, you know what, tough decision, but in politics you have to survive. if you survive, you live to fight another day. today was the strategic decision to let this one go. >> what are they geneva convention to push, are they going to put full repeal on the board and try to get that on the floor and send that to the senate? >> i don't think that they can do that. i know there is a belief, but i don't think they'll be able to do that. i think the tuesday group alone will say -- >> the moderates in the house. >> the moderates will say you can't do that. you have to have something out there. >> and, jen take, there was a rumor, pam when he met with then
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president-elect trump, he said there are problems with obamacare, fix them. call it trumpcare and move on. but he did not do that. we have 30 seconds before the trump tape. >> president obama also wrote a lengthy piece in the journal of american medicine where he talked about the benefits of a public option and how that could help and he acknowledged there were some things that needed to be fixed. senator schumer has also said that. what will be interesting to see is what the democrats may do now with this recognition in mind. >> let's listen in to president trump. >> thank you very much. we were very close and it was a very, very tight margin. we had no democrat support. we had no votes from the democrats. they weren't going to give us a single vote so it's a very difficult thing to do.
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i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. many states have big problems, almost all states have big problems. i was in tennessee the other day and they've lost half of their state in terms of an insurer. they have no insurer. and that's happening to many other places. i was in kentucky the other day and similar things are happening. so, obamacare is exploding with no democrat support. we couldn't quite get there with just a very small number of votes short in terms of getting our bill passed. a lot of people don't realize how good our bill was because they were viewing phase one. but when you add phase two which was mostly the signs of secretary price who is behind it, and you add phase three which i think we would have gotten, it became a great bill. premiums would have gone down and it would have been very
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stable, would have been very strong. but that's okay. but we're very, very close and, again, i think what will happen is obamacare, unfortunately, will explode. it's going to have a bad year. last year you had over 100% increases in various places, in arizona i understand it's going up very rapidly again, like it did last year. last year was 116%. many places 50, 60, 70%. i guess it averaged whatever the average was, very, very high. and this year should be much worse for obamacare. so, what would be really good with no democrat support, if the democrats when it explodes, which it will soon, if they got together with us and got a real health care bill, i'd be totally open to it and i think that's going to happen. i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. they own it, 100% own it.
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and this is not a republican health care, this is not anything but a democrat health care, and they have obamacare for a little while longer until it ceases to exist, which it will at some point in the near future. and just remember this is not our bill, this is their bill. now, when they all become civilized and get together and try and workout a great health care bill for the people of this country, we're open to it, we're totally open to it. i want to thank the republican party. i want to thank paul ryan. he worked very, very hard. i will tell you that. he worked very, very hard. tom price and mike pence who is right here, our vice-president, our great vice-president. everybody worked hard. i worked as a team player and would have loved to have seen it pass. but, again, i think you know i was very clear because i think there wasn't a speech i made or very few where i didn't mention that perhaps the best thing that
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could happen is exactly what happened today because we'll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as obamacare explodes. so, i want to thank everybody for being here. it will go very smoothly. i really believe. i think this is something, it certainly was an interesting period of time. we all learned a lot. we learned a lot about royalty. we learned a lot about the vote getting process. we learned about some very arcane rules in obviously both the senate and in the house. so, it's been certainly for me it's been an interesting experience. but in the end i think it's going to be an experience that leads to an even better health care plan. so, thank you all very much and i'll see you soon. thank you. >> is it now your intention to go to tax reform or what's next -- >> we'll probably be going right now for tax reform, which we could have done earlier, but this really would have worked out better if we could have had
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some democrat support. remember, this, we had no democrat support. so, now we're going to go for tax reform which i've always liked. >> you're confident in speaker ryan's leadership and his ability to get things done? >> yes, i like speaker ryan, he worked very, very hard. a lot of different groups, he's got a lot of factions and there's been a long history of liking and disliking, even within the republican party, long before i got here. but i've had a great relationship with the republican party. it seems that both sides like trump and that's good, and you see that, i guess, more clearly than anybody. but we've had -- i'm not going to speak badly about anybody within the party, but certainly there is a big history. i think paul really worked hard and i would say that we will probably start going very, very strongly for the big tax cuts and tax reform. that will be next. >> mr. president, is it fair to
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letto ba let obamacare explode? >> bad things are going to happen to obamacare. there is not much you can do to help. i've said that a year and a half. eventually it's not sustainable. the insurance companies are leaving. you know that. they're leaving one by one as quick as you can leave. you have states in some cases soon will not be covered. so, there's no way out of that. but the one thing that was happening as we got closer and closer, everybody was talking about how wonderful it was and now it will go back to real life. people will see how bad it is and it's getting much worse. i said the other day when president obama left, '17, he knew he wasn't going to be here. '17 is going to be a very bad year for obamacare, very, very bad. you're going to have explosive premium increases and your deductibles are so high people don't even get to use it. they'll go with that for a
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little while. i honestly believe -- i know some democrats and they're good people. i honestly believe the democrats will come to us and say, look, let's get together and get a great health care bill or plan that's really great for the people of our country. and i think that's going to happen. >> are you going to pass a bill in the house without democratic support, why do you think you can craft a deal among the republican party? >> well, we were very close. we were probably anywhere from ten to 15 votes short. could have even been closer than that. you'll never know because you never know how though vote. but in the end i think we would have been ten votes, maybe closer. and -- but it's very hard to get almost 100%. you're talking about a very, very large number of votes. among any group, and we were very close to doing it. but when you get no votes from the other side, meaning the democrats, it's really a difficult situation. >> will you talk with democrats now? >> no, i think we have to let obamacare go its way.
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we can't. it's not a question of gee, i hope it does well. i would love it to do well. i want great health care for the people of this nation. but it can't do well. it's imploding and soon will explode and it's not going to be pretty. so, the democrats don't want to see that. so, they're going to reach out when they're ready and whenever they're ready, we're ready. >> do you feel betrade by the house freedom caucus at all? >> no, they're friends of mine. we could have had it. i'm disappointed. i'm a little surprised to be honest with you. we really had it. it was pretty much there within grasp, but i'll tell you what's going to come out of it is a better bill. i really believe a better bill because there were things in this billy didn't particularly like. and i think it's a better bill. both parties can get together and do real health care, that's the best thing.
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obamacare was rammed down everyone's throat 100% democrat. and i think having bipartisan would be a big, big improvement. so, no, i think that this is going to end up being a very good thing. i'm disappointed but they're friends of mine. it was a very hard time for them and a very hard vote. but they're very good people. >> what specifically -- >> well, i think there are things i would have liked to have more. if we had bipartisan, we could have a health care bill that would be the ultimate. and i think the democrats know that also. and some day in the not too distant future that will happen. and i never said -- i guess i'm here what, 64 days. i never said repeal and replace obamacare. you've all heard my speeches. i never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. i have a long time. but i want to have a great health care bill and plan and we
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will. it will happen. and it won't be in the very distant future. i really believe there will be some democrat support and it will happen, and it will be an even better bill. i think this was a very good bill. i think it will be even better the next time around. i don't think that's going to be in too long a period of time. >> anything specific you want to see changed going from this bill to the next bill? >> i don't want to speak about specifics, but there are things i would have liked even more. but i thought overall this was a very, very good bill and i thought tom price, dr. tom price who really is amazing on health care and his knowledge, i thought he did a fantastic job. same with mike pence. these two guys, they worked so hard and really did a fantastic job. thank you very much. thank you. thank you very much. appreciate it. >> president trump responding to the ignominoous in his speech. the health care bill was pulled two days in a row. let's go back to the white house.
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sara murray, prum blaming democrats saying on this day his worst political week of his presidency, that the real losers are house democratic leader nancy pelosi and december crack leader chuck schumer because they now have to own obamacare. >> but look at that discipline, jake. this is a president who has never made his concerns with members of his own party secret. not hearing that today. today he went out of his way to blame democrats. he went out of his way to say nice things about house speaker paul ryan. but let's read between the lines a little bit here because he said something that stuck out to me. he said, we learned a lot about loyalty and in an interview with the "the new york times" he went out of his way to praise the tuesday group, those are the more moderate republicans, calling them terrific. i think that what you have seen is sort of a crash course in governing for a president who has clearly never done this before. he may take a very different approach when it comes to tax reform than what we saw here in terms of the president trying to
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woo not only moderate republicans, but very conservative republicans. i do get the sense from the white house that they do feel a little bit burned from members of their own party. that's not what the president is going to say publicly, but you can bet that's going to be something they remember as they try to pull together tax reform and figure out how they can shepherd that through, jake. >> all right, sara murray, thank you so much. david gurgan, let me bring you back. you were sitting there, you worked for a number of presidents on both sides of the aisle. what did you make of president trump's response? >> it was delusional in some ways. and i thought, paul ryan manned up. he took responsibility. this is a man who just shoves it off on other people and described things in ways that are just misleading. you know, i'm sure he'll get better at this. and i think it's also fair to say that a lot of presidents stumble. a lot of presidents had trouble in their first hundred days. >> bill clinton had trouble in his first hundred days.
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>> jack kennedy had bad pigs in the first hundred days. when you add up the toe at of it, you said this is the worst week of his presidency. i think this may be the worst hundred days we've ever seen in a president. maybe it will get better. but earlier this week he has credibility, took a direct hit over the wieretapping. now his capacity. he came to us as the deal maker. his ultimate promise was he's the deal maker, make the system work. he clearly failed. >> he said the best thing that could happen is what happened today. this is a president who was trying to get his signature plan passed through congress, you know, repeal and replace, and he came out and said the best thing that could happen is what happened today because i think republicans in the end were more concerned about losing this than the president himself. and i saw a clear signal from him today, which was maybe i'll do a bipartisan bill. you know what that means?
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that means freedom caucus, sure he said they're my friends. they're not his friends. when he was talking about doing a bipartisan bill, just wait, freedom caucus, if he wants to do tax reform or infrastructure. he may be not so friendly with those folks any more. >> to david's point, he's president of the united states. he's president to those who like obamacare, too. he's their president, too. imagine if a fire chief showed up, obamacare is exploding he's going to watch it explode. fire chief says don't squirt any water, let it burn to the ground. he's in charge. i know he doesn't like this program. he thinks people who built this program made a mess. guess what, he's the president now. it's his mess. he didn't start it, but he inherited it. >> i don't know. david was quoting last night, i think we all saw the quinnipiac poll, 17% popularity for this bill. hey, if your party doesn't pass a vote that's 17% popular, it's not the end of the world. i mean, it could be the kind of
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thing ego tistically, they're not going to have ads against them -- >> if you look at the energy in the state in districts across the country, red districts and these town halls and very, very red places, constituents are coming saying there is a problem with my health care, you just want to repeal it and you're not going to do anything to fix it, tell me what you are going to do. i want to keep my health care but it needs to get better. so, this is definitely on the hands of republicans. you want to talk about tax reform in the latest quinnipiac poll, 74% don't want to see taxes lowered for the wealthy. that's not popular either. >> i want to go to mary catherine. she's one of the few people who is actually on obamacare right now. as somebody who uses this, what do you want president trump and congress to do? do you want him to cut a deal with the democrats to improve it? >> i think the end -- first politically, the end nothing matters opera we've all been
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watching is when he gets together with schumer and pelosi and does a public option. >> the public option that he said he wanted in his book in 2000? >> yes, of course. he doesn't care about this. the thing about him owning it, i'm sorry, i do think he's more invested in tax reform and manufacturing or infrastructure. all these things, he chose this as the first thing. this was the first thing. his name is on it and he's the deal guy. >> what was striking to me is that he won the election in part because he connected in a better way with the public and people who felt like nobody was standing up for them. and for every president there's an opportunity when you fail. they all fail at certain points. and he used that opportunity to do a nonsensical like out of his mind, you know, rant about people he was angry at. he didn't use it as an opportunity to speak directly to people and say, i'm fighting for you, i want to fix this. i promised you i would do it. and that was pretty striking to me. tactically from him and his team. >> not just nonsensical, cynical which is what john was getting
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at. i don't think cynicism like that saying let it explode for everyone, i just don't think americans are going to respond to that. >> thanks. >> i'm cynical about what possibly can be done. >> fair enough. that's for "the lead" with jake tapper. wolf blitzer is next in the situation room. have a great weekend. >> happening now, breaking news, pulling the bill. president trump and house speaker paul ryan pull the republican health care bill after days of intense negotiation fails to secure enough votes to pass it. who will take the blame? trump stakes, the president's attempt to raise the stakes for the gop falls short. his warning that failing to pass the bill means republicans will have to live with obamacare. was not enough to sway critics of the measure. why couldn't he close the deal? and russia investigation, the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee cancels a public hearing on russian election meddling. angry democrats say he's trying to