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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  March 24, 2017 5:00pm-6:01pm PDT

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thank you so much for joining us tonight. "ac 360" starts right now. geepg from the smoking political crater formerly known as washington. today republicans failed to do what they've been promising for year, the president failed to do what he said he would from the beginning of his campaign. >> we have to repeal obamacare and it can be -- and it can be replaced with something much better for everybody. let it be for everybody. but much better and much less expensive for people and for the government. and we can do it. so, i've watched the politicians, i've dealt with them all my life. if you can't make a good deal with a politician, then there's something wrong with you. you're certainly not very good.
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>> without commenting on that assessment, the simple fact is he could not bring home a deal with house republicans nor could house speaker paul ryan so a deal no one especially seemed to like entered a death spiral yesterday, euthanized today. paul ryan weighed in followed pi the president. before we go to our correspondents and panel and bernie sanders, let's take a look at the comments. >> we were very close. it was a very, very tight margin. we had no democrats support. we had no votes from the democrats. they weren't going to give us a single vote so it's a very difficult thing to do. i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. we couldn't quite there. we're just a very small number of votes short. in terms of getting our bill passed. a lot of people don't realize how good our bill was because
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they were viewing phase one, but when you add phase two, which was mostly the signings of secretary price, who's behind me, and you add phase three, which i think we would have gotten, it became a great bill. premiums would have gone down and it would have been very stable, very strong. what would be really good with no democrats support if the democrats, when it explode, which it will soon, if they got together with us, and got a real health care bill, i'd be totally open to it and i think that's going to happen. i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. they own it. 100% own it. and this is not a republican health care. this is not anything but a democrat health care. and they have obamacare for a little while longer until it ceases to exist, which it will at some point in the near future. and just remember, this is not our bill. this is their bill. now, when they all become
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civilized an get together and try and work out a great health care bill for the people of this country, we're open to it. we're totally open to it. i want to thank the republican party. i want to thank paul ryan. he worked very, very hard. i will tell you that. he worked very, very hard. tom price and mike pence, who is right here, our vice president, our great vice president, everybody worked hard. i worked as a team player and would have loved to have seen it pass. but, again, i think you know i was very clear because i think there wasn't a speech i made or very few where i didn't mention that perhaps the best thing that could happen is exactly what happened today. because we'll end up with a truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as obamacare explodes. we all learned a lot. we learned a lot about loyal pi. we learned a lot about the vote-getting process. we learned a lot about some very
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archaic rules in obviously both the senate and in the house. so for me it's been a very interesting experience. in the end i think it will be an experience that leads to a better health care plan. i'm here, what, 64 days? i never said repeal and replace obamacare. you've all heard my speeches. i never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. i have a long time. >> never said repeal and replace within 64 days he said there. that's not true. he promised repeatedly during the campaign to make it his first order of business. take a look. >> on my first day i'm going to ask congress to immediately send me a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. immediately repealing and replacing the disaster known as obamacare. immediately repealing and replacing obamacare. we will be able to immediately
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repeal and replace obamacare. >> that was the president on repealing and replacing obamacare asap during the campaign. phil mattingly has more on where they go from here. what happened? how did it end up on the cutting room floor? >> reporter: a long way from last night where there was an optimistic atmosphere out of the conference meeting. it became clear early to paul ryan and other leadership that the votes weren't there. they worked on the conservative house freedom caucus, but by the time lunchtime came around the speaker made the cal lags, he had to go to the white house and tell the president that the votes weren't there. the votes weren't coming. and it was probably time to pull the bill. an interesting element is the president said he understood where the speaker was coming from but this was a loyalty test and this was something that could help expose some of those members that didn't necessarily appreciate what the leadership and what the white house were willing to offer.
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the speaker warned him off of that. made very clear that the individuals that would be voting for this bill were many of the individuals that helped republicans secure and maintain the majority, told them it wasn't the best idea. that said, there was still a house freedom caucus meeting that was scheduled with tom price and nick mulvaney. they allowed that to happen after it was clear after the meeting there would be no movement with the conservatives, the house freedom caucus members. the call was made. president trump called the speaker and told him clearly it was time to pull the bill and that is exactly what happened and the ramifications of that aren't just micro, not just this week or this bill. they are health care, period. obamacare stands not just for now, not just for the next couple months butter for the foreseeable future. >> a lot of republicans talked about if this goes down maybe kind of go piecemeal, piece by piece, try to do this in smaller chunks than all at once but is the president saying he'll just move on to tax reform and
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dropping health care completely until obamacare, in his words, implodes? >> reporter: all together. in a closed door conference meeting this afternoon after the decision was made to pull the bill, that was the message, direct message from speaker ryan, trump is done, the president is moving on. there was stunned silence when this was conveyed to the room according to people who were inside of it. they realized this issue they've been campaigning on in 2010, 2014, 2016 was now off the table and they were moving far. the real question is how does this damage or help them learn going forward when you tackle other big am pentagon officials items like tax reform and infrastructure? the reality is there's no answer to that question. >> going to talk to the panel. first cnn political analyst maggie haberman who spoke today with the president by phone shortly after the bill was pulled. you said he showed uncharacteristic discipline. how did the conversation go? >> certainly in that phone call. i'm not saying lit hold until
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tomorrow morning which i think people are looking for his twitter feed to see how he reacts. he was focussed in his message, which was this is the democrats' fault. you can argue with it but that was his message. we couldn't get a single democratic vote, only go by republicans and didn't have enough. >> downplaying divisions among republicans. >> to a point because he did volunteer, i didn't ask, he said, you know, he didn't blame paul ryan and then said -- singled out the tuesday group, a group of moderates. there are a lot of members there, called them quote/unquote terrific, which i took as a dig at the house freedom caucus even though he didn't name them. later on he talked about one of the complications was there's a lot of different party, it's eventually -- he didn't say it with this way but as if you're dealing with different political parties, conservatives, moderates, all within the same republican umbrella. he did not sound frustrated. i have heard from adviser who is spoke to him that he is quite
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frustrated, i think he's been a little gob smacked by what kind of process this is. >> you asked how this compared to business. >> i asked how it compares to real estate deals. he said no different, e sechblly the same thing but as he was departing the oval office tonight or talking to aides he said to one of them this was a lot harder, real estate was much easier than this. i think this is a learning curve for him. also worth remembering, he said that to me as well that i've been here 64 days, i didn't say i would do it in this number of days. he did push congress to push this through pretty quickly and there was some resistance from congress on this. so it's going to be hard for him going forward to navigate the way out of owning this. i don't know that blaming it on the democrats is the way to do it. what he said to me is in a year it will collapse, democrats come back to me and they'll want to make a deal and i'm open to doing that. i do not believe that that is likely to happen. but that is where he's putting hi focus.
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>> you don't believe it's leekly to happen pause you don't believe obamacare is likely to implode in the way he believes? >> not the way he describes. enrollments are down but not to the degree he's saying. either way certainly at the moment democrats are not many much of a deal mood with the president. >> he trashes the "new york times" all the time. >> he does? >> so i've heard. did he call you? did he -- >> i reached out to one of his aides and asked if he was up for speaking and they put me through to him. >> just in terms of -- there was one thing in the article that stood out to me, he said -- i don't know if relief but sort of like it's done. >> i asked him are you happy to have this in your rear-view mirror and he said -- he didn't hear the question and i repeated it, are you happy it's over with and he said i am. it's enough already. i think -- i don't think he meant that he found legislating
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is hard, which is how some took it on twitter but more that i think there was enormous frustration for him and i think this is a fair complaint, just that it's his own party, they would go to the house freedom caucus and make what they would thought was a concession and then hear back, you know, now we're moving the goal posts over this way, and once they agreed to something here, then the tuesday group would want something too. i think he felt like he was navigating a game of inches pack and forth. >> that's one thing that's always been so hard about health care. been described as whac-a-mole. solve one problem and another pops up. with what you've done for the freedom caucus annoys the moderate. >> we reported last night he started musing to people over the last couple days that he should have done tax reform first a number of his advisers urged him to do. congress didn't want to do that. one of the things this president does, it's like he stress tests an idea and talks to different
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aides and says do you think this this is good but the more he does that it's because there's nagging doubt. >> maggie will stay with us for the full panel. later my conversation with an advocate for a different kind of health care reform, bernie sanders when we continue. modern life deserves a modern way to pay. on your phone and online.
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not just a legislative defeat today but his ability to do what he always does best. >> i have tremendous energy to the point it's elementary dick louse when you think about it. but we need somebody with great energy, great passion, great deal making skills. i'm going to make the great deals. i am going to make great deals for our country. what i do is i do deals, i deal. i negotiate by creating leverage so i can extract a good deal for the united states, for the people. i make deals. i negotiate. everybody wants me to negotiate. that's what i'm known as, a negotiator. i'm so anxious to negotiate. nobody can out-negotiate these deals. i will make a great deal and lots of great deals for the american people. i am a deal maker and that's
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what the country needs. we don't make great deals anymore but we will once i become president. i'm a closer. i'm going to close. we're going to start winning so much. we're going to win and win and win! >> back with the panel. gloria borger and ryan liz sa, john king, maggie haberman, jack kingston, james sake, jason miller and brian fallon. john king, an extraordinary day. >> it is and donald trump has defied every rule in politics so don't put anything in cement tonight. however, he failed at his first big test. to the point you played that sound and from his announcement speeches, i know the politicians, i can get a deal, if you can't get a deal, you're not very good. hi words. i'm the guy who does deals. he could not get his party to follow him on the first big test of the trump presidency.
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to maggie's point, he can second guess the sequencing but he came to washington, i'm uniquely qualified to do this, plus my friends, brought in inside washington guy, i'm the outsider, we're going to get this dope. what is the lasting effect, who knows. but the factions in the republican party he inherited is a pre-existing condition. they were there before. this idea that he didn't know, who knew health care was so complica complicated, who knew there were different parties within the republican party, anyone who did their homework would know that. this is not all politics. they had deep political divides, philosophical divides how to replace obamacare. they'd all repeal it tomorrow. some need to replace it because of where they live and who they need to answer to for the next election. if he didn't know that coming in he didn't to-do his homework. >> gloria, in maggie's interv w
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interview, clearly the democrats but it's a republican-led house. >> i think he's clearly angry at the conservatives in the freedom caucus, i don't know if he said it directly to you, but it seemed to me today when he was speaking and said they're my friends but then talked about a bipartisan deal, that it was a clear dig at them because it would be clear that he would be going around them. i think the big problem here is that he hasn't figured out how to translate the populism from the campaign into any kind of legislative agenda that he can get through the congress. this bill was a paul ryan bill. this wasn't a donald trump bill even though in the end he came to embrace it. he didn't do it as wholeheartedly. maggie, correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems to me that in his tone today he wasn't as angry as he seemed to be after jeff sessions recused himself, you know, from dealing on anything with russia that the anger that we've sometimes seen pop up just
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wasn't there, and i think the republicans cared more about losing this than donald trump did. >> i think you're right in theory in the sense when i spoke to him his demeanor was pretty calm, as i said very disciplined and on message. but as we also know -- not taking anything away from that, but we know based on history he has a habit of kind of stewing a little while. >> we'll see tomorrow. >> heading into a friday night. saturday, he lives alone, will be alope in the white house residence watching television, possibly right now. how this all plays out i think is going to affect it. i think he was a little gob smacked. i don't know where whether that means he will blow up or get upset. to your point that he cared less than paul ryan did because this wasn't his bill, i agree but it's also important to remember the thing that he discovered more than i think he understood during the campaign, maybe a reflection of not doing homework
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or fully grasping the nuances of your on party but he and the freedom caucus don't have a ton in common in terms of the way you govern. donald trump is from new york city, despite borrowing the language out outside of new york city -- >> go ahead. >> i want to say they have a common enemy that i'd say would be inside washington. >> yeah. but that doesn't say how you should actually -- the role that government should play in terms of people's lives. so when you are talking about government-funded programs and medicaid, donald trump is a lot less with paul ryan and the freedom caucus frankly than he is with a lot of democrats. >> there's this debate within the party between eventually the neolibertarians that the freedom caucus represents, small government, free market, that's what they pushed every step. you have to give them credit because they were pushing policy. they had a philosophical idea about this bill.
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trump has these inchoate ideas that are populist and nationalist but nobody could take off the shelf what the populist -- >> jason? >> i would say the president ultimately is right, the democrats didn't come over so there's -- a lot is on them. let me finish. i think too we need to go down the list and call out some names and make it clear where this fell apart. speaker paul ryan and house leadership, they should have been waiting there on november 9th in the wee hours when myself and the president and kellyanne and all the other folks were there, found out the app called the race and the speaker should have been jumping out of a celebration cake with a big obamacare repeal and replace -- >> not have been a pretty sight. >> mr. president, here's the bill, we have had seven years since this passed, six years we've had the majority, here you go. >> did you expect they would have something prepared? hold on one second. >> absolute mal practice the
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republican leadership did not have this ready to go. one over problem, republican leadership didn't bring in the freedom caucus early enough in the process. that being said, the freedom caucus, can't say they goat off scot-free because with this power they have is a voting bloc comes responsibility. they had the opportunity here to improve this bill and finally come up with something to repeal and replace obamacare. no one's going home this weekend throwing high fives to people at supermarkets. >> what happened to the buck stops here for president of the united states? >> ultimately this is paul ryan's bill. hold on. this is a lesson for the administration. >> that's the new title on the december that can the buck doesn't stop here, it stops with paul ryan? [ talking over each other ] >> do you think there should be a new speaker? >> i don't think the game is over because every single republican that ran for the school board and county coroner promised to repeal and replace. they have a two-year term.
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>> for four consecutive elections. >> they'll be up for re-election in two years and i can promise they'll have primary opponents who will say you didn't deliver. there will be great 30-second sound bites. who's sitting in the better seat is the president. he can say stew about it and call me. i'm not convinced this isn't a negotiating tactic of his saying i'm going to mover on to tax reform. >> he said i'm moving to tax reform but he can't do the tax reform he wants to do because he doesn't have the money because they didn't repeal obamacare. >> he wants a border tax a lot of republicans oppose, then an infrastructure plan a lot of republicans oppose. he has to start winning. >> this is the democrats' home advantage on health care because it is entitlements, government expansion. it's a subject that you guys feel a lot more -- taxes, we
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feel better about. i think republicans -- >> the cheshire cat grins. >> you like health care. >> i don't think most republicans will like you saying democrats like health care and republicans don't. >> aren't all americans going to like health care? having health care? >> today was a big day for many of the democrats who fought against obamacare but nobody should be gloating or thinking this is over. there are still fixes that need to be made. even if hillary clinton had become president that would have been a discussion that was on the table. >> does that happen now? >> here's the question. what jason said, donald trump has written about being open to a public option before. chuck schumer and president obama and hillary clinton have talked about that. is this an opportunity? >> he said this will lead to a better health care plan. >> we have to take a quick
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breaking news. president trump blaming democrats for the pill's failure when he spoke to reporters this afternoon. >> we had no democrat support, no votes from the democrat. they weren't going to gives us a single vote so it's a very
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difficult thing to do. so obamacare is exploding with no democrats aboard we couldn't quite get there. i think the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. pause now they own obamacare. they own it, 100% own it. the u.s. just remember, this is not our bill, this is their bill. this would have worked out better if we could have had some democrat support. remember this, we had no democrat support. >> joining us now is former democratic presidential candidate bernie sanders of vermont. when you hear the president blaming the democrats for his bill's collapse, what's your response? >> that's exactly what the american people wanted. the american people understood that this is not a health care bill, anderson. this was a $300 billion tax break for the top 2%, massive tax breaks for the drug companies and for the insurance companies, and threw 24 million people off health insurance, defunded plan t parenthood,
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significantly raised premiums for all the workers and cut medicaid by $880 billion. poll after poll showed that is exactly what the american people did not want and democrats should take credit for killing a really, really bad piece of legislation. >> who do you think is responsible for the failure to get the bill passed? you say credit should go to the democrats. >> anderson, that's just a media game. nobody really cares that it's a failure of trump or a failure of ryan. what the american people are asking is how does it happen that we are the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people as a right? anderson, i am talking to you tonight 50 miles away from the canadian border. get there in an hour. they manage to vo provid health care for every man, woman, and child in their country at half the cost per person than we do. the cost of prescription drugs in canada significantly lower than it is in the united states.
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the question is why are we not moving forward with a medicare for all single-payer program guaranteeing health care to all people which will be much more cost effective than we presently have? >> what do you think happens now? cheerily that is what you would like to see happen but the president is just talking about letting obamacare fail, cb objection says it's not imploding or on a death spiral like republicans are saying it is. what do you see happening? many democrats say things need to be amended or changed in obamacare. >> right. look, again, i believe in a medicare for all single payer program but it ain't going to happen right now. we don't have the support in the congress for that. so while we continue that long-term struggle right now we need to improve the affordable care act, and that means a public option available in every state in this country which gives people a wide variety of options but makes sure that there is competition in every community in this country.
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in my view, it means lowering the age of medicare from 60 through 65 down to 55 allowing more americans to participate in that program. it means passing medicare, negotiating ability with the pharmaceutical industry and reimportation allowing us to buy less expensive drugs around the world which will not only lower the cost of medicine in this country, lower the cost of health care. those are some authority term remedies i think we need to go forward on. >> obviously you need to convince republicans in the house. that won't happen it seems at this point. what happens over the next year? the president is saying this will fail on its own and democrats will come back to him a year from now trying to make a deal. >> i look at life a little differently needless to say than the president does. i think one of the reasons this legislation went down today is that all over this country we had hundreds of thousands of
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people coming out to rallies. cnn covered town meet wrgs instead of having 20 or 30 people agreeing with their republican of -- let's cut security and medicare, you had a thousand people showing up saying you know what you're not going to trip it will rates that i pay for health insurance. you're not going to throw me off of medicaid. people began the process of fighting back. we have got to continue that. the republican agenda, tax breaks for millionaires, massive cuts to health care, great increase in expenditures for the military budget. not acknowledging the reality of climate change. all of those ideas are way out of touch with where the american people are. our job now is to rally the american people to demand that the u.s. congress represent the middle class in this country, not just the 1%. >> what is your opinion on this republican notion that obamacare is going to explode, that it's
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going -- in a death spiral, it will explode? >> i think the suggests that that is not the case. but on the other hand, what is fair to acknowledge is the deductibles in many cases are too high, premiums are too high, and while obamacare has slowed down the rate of health care increase, it is going up much too fast. a sensible approach is to say here are the problems. here's one example. could you a million. a couple years ago the l.a. statistics we had the five major drug companies in this country made $50 billion in profit. five companies while they charged the american people the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. if we had medicare negotiating prescription drug prices with the drug companies, if we allow pharmacists and distributors to buy lower cost medicine from canada and other countries we could lower the cost of prescription drugs and health
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care. trump has talked a lot about the high coast of prescription drugs. i skuspect it's another high, he's not serious about it. if republicans are serious, let's work together. that's one way to save billions of dollars for americans in terms of health care costs. >> when you heard the president say nobody knew how tough this would be, nobody knew how tough it would be to overturn obamacare, what did you think? >> well, i mean, i thought it was rather amusing that a few weeks ago president trump said health care's really complicated. well, you know, for those of us who are on the health education committee, those of us who had dozens of hearings and mark-ups, yeah, health care is pretty complicated. but at the end of the day, this is -- the bottom line here, we pay by far more -- much more per capita for health care than do the people than any other
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country. double the canadians, almost trip it will british, and our health care outcomes in many respects are not as good. so i think we need to rethink a health care system which is dominated by private, for-profit insurance companies, dominated by very greedy drug companies, and let's go forward and try to protect the american people and not just wealthy campaign contributors. >> senator sanders, appreciate your time as always. thank you. >> thank you very much. just ahead in the hours before the gop health care bill was pulled white house press secretary sean spicer said over and over that president trump had given his all in trying to close the deal. so what happened? donald trump: everybody's got to be covered... i am going to take care of everybody... everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now. announcer: 20 million americans gained health coverage under the affordable care act... ...including millions of our most vulnerable citizens - children, the disabled and the elderly. now, under some plans in congress, millions of these americans could lose that health coverage.
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the women and men of america's hospitals urge congress to protect affordable coverage for as many americans as possible.
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breaking news on capitol hill, president trump could not seal the teal for health care. not for lack of trying according to white house press secretary sean spicer. >> when you look at legislative efforts i think the president has given it his all, put a lot
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of time and effort into this and made a strong case. i think it shocked a lot of people frankly how very detail oriented, how personal it was for him. there's no question in my mind at least the president and the team left everything on the field. has the team left everything on the field? absolutely. we've done everything. we've done every single thing, every meet, every call, calling members, you know, as early as 6:00 in the morning going until 11:00 in the last several nights. has he pulled out every stop, called every member, tweaked every tweak, done every single thing he can possibly and used every minute of every day that's possible to get this thing through? the answer is yes. >> sean spicer in the hours leading up to the bill's defeat. brian todd, how damaging is this for president trump in term os-what he wants to do moving forward? >> pretty damaging. and i think it's his failure. he can say it was paul ryan's bill but the decision to outsource the drafting to paul
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ryan was his decision and he didn't go out there and sell it. this whole process has only taken about three weeks and he's not been out selling. 17% approval according to quinnipiac. that's his problem. he may have gone through the motions of lobbying, brought people to the white house, went to capitol hill, but at the end of the day people didn't hear him. we heard for days the freedom caucus members would succumb because of fear he would come to their districts and primary them. in one meeting he stood up and pointed to meadows, the head of the freedom caucus, and said i'm coming after you, people didn't know if he was joking or threatening. the outside republican groups didn't fear the president. that will be a problem when it comes time to pass things like the debt ceiling. >> those who were opposing this were saying we'll support you, have your back. congressman kingston, again it's early and every president has
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ayn justment from campaigning to lead bug failed to repeal and replace obamacare, the travel ban blocked twice by federal courts, the iran nuclear deal he promised he would rip up on day one didn't happen, the border wall doubtful mexico will pay for it. no truth to the wire claim tap claims. how to you spin this as a good start? >> he has a great cabinet and is about to get a supreme court nominee. chuck schumer is not looking good in his opposition to gorsuch. nobody is taking him seriously. >> the supreme court clearly -- >> he'll get that. keystone pipeline, $8 billion project that obama held up for seven years, today charter communication has announced a $25 billion investment, 20,000 new jobs. he's had success with lockheed, carrier, talking to businesses. these aren't really government programs but these are wins and these are things that conservative voters are going to
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say yeah -- >> do you think overall for the first 60-some-odd days he's winning? >> i think he is. a tough atmosphere in washington, d.c. people tend to give the president the benefit of the doubt. no matter who the president is, they still have -- >> his approval rating is 37% so it looks like they're not giving him that much of a benefit of the doubt. let me say this about the selling of the bill, brian was talking about. this president knows how to sell stuff. he knows how to go out and go on the stump and make the case. the problem i think this time was that he couldn't make the case because he didn't believe in the case. and educate the public about what was in the bill that is better than what is in obamacare. people didn't know. the democrats made a very good case in opposition, i would argue, and were out there every minute, making that case. and the republicans did not go
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home and make the case and when they were first attacked at their town hall meetings, that was the first sign. that was the sign that they were in trouble. >> do you think those town hall meetings had a big impact? >> i do. they went back to the negotiating table, a lot of them got nervous and maybe the president got nervous. i don't know. but he never said this is better than obamacare. this provision will do more for you than obamacare did. so he never got out there and sold it. >> i'm going to come back. if you take sean spicer at his word, that's a pretty damning indictment of the president's sway then. if he didn't everything he could and couldn't move members of his own party, that's a pretty damning indictment of how much sway he has. i do think the president put a lot into this in the last couple weeks but if you studied history like immigration for republicans this the quicksand of american politics, health care. those democrats who voted for
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obamacare thought they were casting a good vote. they lost 63 seats in the next election. still a recession, unemployment. a in 2014 after losing the house in 2010, in 2014 the democrats lost the senate. do you not think every republican today thinking about am i undecided, yes or no, was thinking about the history of politics, one, and you do have profound policy differences within the republican party. the freedom caucus people don't believe the government should be in the health care business. they should be in the market and the government should have a limited role. those for hillary clinton have to answer to a different set of voters who didn't want guaranteed maternity coverage or health care coverage. donald trump didn't run on a specific health care plan. he ran on repeal and replace and it will be better for you, i promise. >> he ran on tacks and trade. >> if he was going to touch health care -- he didn't litigate it. obama and edwards litigated health care. they spent a tub of time on the campaign, fought about universal
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coverage and the subset, then the president took months to sell it to the country. he went to the house republican cop conference in baltimore where mike pence introduced him. it was fake, i'll say it up front. president obama was not genuine in his outreach to republicans on health care but he at least checked the box. this is to complicated. we were talking about this during the break. if once the president decided to let ryan -- outsource the bill to ryan to take the insiders' game, do health care fist, not your outsider agenda you ran on, they should have been doing work during the transition, going to the southern members districts asking anderson cooper to cast a vote he doesn't want to cast for me in january and you voted for me, back him up. he didn't. >> i don't think they'll make that mistake for taxes and infrastructure and trade. this administration has to get back to donald trump issues. taxes, trade, immigration, defeating isis. those are the cores, the things
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that move voters. might not have been traditional republican voters -- >> wasn't the repeal and replace obamacare, wasn't that a huge issue, a core -- that was the number one thing for donald trump, wasn't it? >> that was more of a ted cruz issue. >> come on. >> oh my gosh. [ talking over each other ] >> that was on day one. >> i was at 20 rallies where donald trump spoke. i never -- >> that's interesting. you're saying it was obligatory, he was faking it. >> an obligatory republican line for everybody who runs for office wearing the -- >> written by his staffer paul manafort. in fact, let's just look at this again because i think i'm in an alternate universe. let's take a look at what he said.
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>> on my first day i'm going to ask congress to immediately repeal and replace obamacare. >> we will be able to immediately repeal and replace obamacare. >> let me say this. t if i was looking at the sign -- >> okay. >> back to jason's point, his core issues really were jobs, strong national defense. to begin with and that's where he likes to be. it is an obligatory -- >> repeal and replace obamacare, you asked him what he was going to do on the jobs he would say -- >> if at the end of all this process -- >> are you guys really -- [ talking over each other ].
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>> if at the end of all this process the best we as republicans could come up with was a bill that had a 17% approval rating i think the president and his smart guys in the back room probably said let's get out of this thing because you're about to make your guys walk the plank for a bill that would be killed in the senate. >> today he said i'm here 64 days, i never said repeal and replace in 64 days. no, he actually said sooner than that. >> we have to take a quick break. other breaking news on capitol hill. three former top aides during the trump campaign including paul manafort have volunteered to be grilled by the house intelligence committee. top aides, carter page isn't really correct. but two top aides, the republican chairman of that committee has sprung a surprise, canceling the next public hearing. ♪
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information from monday's hearing that can only be addressed in closed session. >> it was slammed, saying nunez is biased. >> we really do need an independent mission she independent commission here. because the public at the end of the day needs to have confidence that someone has done a thorough investigation, untainted by political considerations. >> tensions between nunes and schiff have been cranking up. we have more details. >> reporter: paul man tort, karlter page and roger stone are already under fbi investigation. now they say they'll go before lawmakers. donald trump's campaign chairman resigned over questions of his previous lobbying in ukraine.
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he says he looks forward to discussing the facts. campaign adviser carter page denied allegations he met with putin associates. he said i look forward to meeting with you. and stone is anxious to talk. stone told cnn, i acknowledge, i am a "hardbalhardball player. michael flynn is also under investigation but his spokesman had no comment on whether flynn might make a similar offer. devin nunes suddenly canceled next week's meeting with sally yates and john brennan, the ranking democrat accusing the
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white house of meddling. >> there must have been a very strong push back from the white house about the nature of monday's hearing. it's hard for me to come to any conclusion about why an agreed upon meeting would be canceled. >> reporter: they want rogers to come back next week in a closed session. nunes refuses to disclose what new information he has and where he got it, but he says it revealed incidental collection of information of trump and his associates. >> you can ask me every name on the planet, and i'm still not going to tell you who our sources are. >> reporter: schiff is calling for an independent investigation saying that he may have shared were the white house. >> it was wholly inpromote, aap and cast grave doubts into his ability to run an investigation. >> reporter: they are expecting
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welcome back to the second hour of 360. failure, fallout and finger pointing after a bill to replace the affordable care act collapsed it w collapsed. in the end, neither house speaker paul ryan nor the president could bridge the divide. the vote on the bill was canceled. here's a portion of remarks from the oval office. >> we were very close. it was a very, very tight margin. we had no democrat support. no votes from the democrats. they weren't going to give us a single vote, so it's a very difficult thing to do. i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. we couldn't quite get there. we're just a very small number of votes short. in terms of getting our bill
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passed. a lot of people don't realize how good our bill was, because they were viewing phase one, but when you add phase two, which was most lly the signings of secretary price, and you add phase three, it would have been a great bill. the losers are nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. now they own obamacare, they own it, 100% own it. this is not a republican health care, this is not anything but a democrat health care. and they have obamacare for a little while longer, until it ceases to exist, which it will. at some point in the near future. and just remember, this is not our bill. this is their bill. they all become civilized and get together and try to work out a great health care bill for the people of this country. we're open to it. we're totally open to it. i want to thank