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health care is dead. blame game begins. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. republicans control every branch of government, so who's president trump blaming for the biggest loss of his administration? democrats of course. now the president warns bad things are going to happen to obamacare. but if the deal maker in chief couldn't get health care done, what will happen to the rest of his agenda? plus under a cloud from the
russian investigation. paul manafort, roger stone, carter page all volunteering to testify as chairman nunes cancels the next meeting. that adam schiff charges is designed to distract. ever get to independent commission? discuss all of that. president earlier today. let's listen. >> we were very close. a very, very tight margin. we had no democrat support. no votes from the democrats, weren't going to give us a single vote so it's very difficult thing to do. i've been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. it is exploding right now. many states have big problems, almost all states have big problems. i was in tennessee the other day
and they lost half of their state? terms of insurer. they had no insurer. happening to many other places. in kentucky the other day and similar things are happening. obamacare is exploding. with no democrat support couldn't quite get there. small number of votes short in terms of getting our bill passed. i think the losers are nonsy pelosi and chuck schumer because now they own obamacare. 100% own it. this is not republican health care, not anything but democrat health care. they have obamacare for a little while longer until it ceases to exist, which it will at some point in the near future. just remember this is not our bill, this is their bill. everybody worked hard. i worked as team player and would have loved to have seen it passed. but i think you know there
wasn't a speech i made or very few where i didn't mention perhaps best thing to happen happened today because end up with truly great health care bill in the future after this mess known as obamacare explodes. i like speaker ryan. he worked very hard, lot of different groups. he's got a lot of factions. there's been a long history of liking and disliking even within the republican party long before i got here. but i've had a great relationship with the republican party. it seems that both sides like trump and that's good and you see that perhaps more clearly than anybody. i'm not going to speak badly about anybody within the party. there's a big history -- >> dig deeper. bring in mark mckennen, go creator and executive producer of show i love. waiting to get you on.
perfect night. mark thank you. who is to blame? speaker ryan? president? house freedom caucus? >> weeks like this and days like today, why we brought back the circus. never saw a campaign like last year and administration like this. donald trump is galvanizing this country. huge civics lesson going on, everybody is paying attention no matter where you are on the dial. in terms of today, the buck stops with the president. all presidents should own -- once you step in the oval office it's your baby, you've got the keys to the car. paul ryan owned it. came out, we screwed up. we have to do better. what i hope everybody will get out of this. take a step back, democrats i talked to all think obamacare needs to be improved, health care needs to be improved but this is not the way to do it. george w. bush and other presidents first come in want to
build a coalition and govern for all america. to come in with the most controversial legislation and try to ram through with only republican votes, i think the wrong way to go. >> everybody was saying why now, i think thought they needed this piece for the next piece, tax reform. supposed to be negotiator in chief. how does this impact his ability to get other things done? i'm sure looking for cost savings from this to go to tax reform. >> fiscally that's why it's sequenced the way it is. one to pay for the other. >> smart? >> i don't think so. health care is way too complicated and trying to get it done too quickly but more complex from fistal side,
republicans will be frantic to get something passed so line up on tax reform. >> he needs a win and they do for the folks back home. >> that's why tax reform is way to go. infrastructure is great place for republican and democratic votes. if you're for that, donald trump is only one who could get it done. republican never spend that money, democratic president could never get the votes. donald trump is perfect for that. >> let's listen to this and discuss further. >> moving from opposition party to governing party comes with growing pains and we're feeling them today. this is a setback, no two ways about it. but it is not the end of the story. i know that every man and woman in this conference is now motivated more than ever to step up our game, deliver on your promises. i know that everyone is committed to seizing this incredible opportunity that we have. i sure am. >> you said they need a win.
folks back home need win. he said this motivates him. does it motivate the base? what happens when the republicans go home? >> people want problems solved. they say don't care if it's democratic or republican solution, just want results. thought that's what they were getting with republican house, senate and president. if you can't get it done with all three branchs of government, you're in big trouble. >> question is though, everyone is asking how in the world do you have a republican senate, congress and white house, run on repealing and replacing, and then you don't get it done? >> that's the problem. not only that, came out with plan a and there was no plan b. should have been plan b and c. put all the chips on the table on complex piece of legislation nobody really understood, pulled
vote way too quickly and now there's consequences. hopefully as learning moment. >> following this monumental embarrassment, president trump said something that has a lot of people scratching their heads. listen to this. >> i never said repeal and replace obamacare. i never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days. >> that was today but look at this. >> on my first day, i am going to ask congress to send me a bill to immediately repeal and replace disastrous obamacare. somebody said the other day, what's the first thing you're going to do? well we're going to work immediately on repealing obamacare. from day one i've been talking about we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. >> so mark t was a day one
promise. >> you just showed the tape. there it was. i don't think you manufactured that tape. i think real facts and words coming out of the president's mouth. >> wasn't fake news? >> i don't believe it was. there it is. out there. took a big gamble. said it was art of the deal. turned out to be art of the orr deal. i hope republicans step back and get strategic and hopefully reach out to democrats because that's what the country wants. >> talking about news and media. from day one president trump rallied against the media but first calls following defeat to "the washington post," "new york times," two of the papers he attacks the most. hello bob, president trump called my cell phone to say that the health care bill is dead.
what does that tell you about president trump and his real relationship with the media? >> he won because of the media, partly by attacking it but because he got so much attention because he's a great performer and understands how to get media and understands consequences when it goes south on you. it's -- it's part of being in the big top. he's the ringmaster. knows how it works. wheeling and dealing with the media. attacks them which his base loves but he knows he needs them too. >> you brought back "the circus" on showtime. play this part. >> mr. speaker, what makes you think you're going to get the votes? congressman, feel lucky or good? >> good morning. >> mr. president -- >> mr. president. how are you?
how are you going to get the votes? >> can you get the votes mr. president? >> i don't think so. >> how did that go. >> i wish move the bathroom somewhere else. >> how you doing? what with as it like in there? >> it was just streaming his thoughts. great. >> talked about a lot besides health care? >> a lot. >> converted anybody? >> very persuasive. >> but not enough. we had tons shot, thought finished yesterday and had to scrap all of it because now the whole show is today. >> this is going to air sunday? >> shoot monday through saturday and try to keep it up to the minute. so much happened today, the show is yesterday and today and scrapping monday through wednesday. >> sunday night on showtime, check your listings. always a pleasure. >> thank you. did the president make a mistake tackling health care
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to the trump campaign. all join me. bob talk about failed health care bill. you say day was historic day and historic failure. >> it was. we'll look back to this day and say the first priority of the white house and speaker ryan failed. and it didn't even get out of the house. democrats couldn't stop this bill and republicans were the ones whoer t torpedoed it. membrane in the long run good thing, move on to something else and not taking current benefits away from people but going to be messy. conservatives say go back to 2015 bill that passed republican congress and vetoed by obama. centrists don't want to vote for that right now. this is messy. now going to difficult think, tax reform. this is going to be a major challenge and odds against them. i think can cut taxes but
reforming the tax code, odds against them. >> gives us something to talk about. president trump said if nothing is done obamacare will explode. democrats take responsibility for that. are you worried about that? should democrats be careful about being gleeful about this? >> not at all. people spoke. that's what we saw. american people won. came out with tons of energy and called their house members, went to town halls and made voices loud and clear. one of the things that republicans have been able to do in the last seven weeks that democrats weren't able to do in seven years is make obamacare popular. donald trump had an opportunity to reach out to democrats. could have said i know obamacare needs tweaks, let's get together and fix this. he decided to meet with the freedom caucus and get in bed with them. white house reported they met
with over 100 members, not one a democrat. he can't put this at their feet. republicans had seven years, and this is what they came up with? something going to take away health care for 24 million people? >> bill, i have to ask you, you speak to people all the time. i don't think, this is just me, democrats in former administration i don't think did a good enough job explaining for touting the affordable care act. did have help on the right with people who didn't like it but it seems like public mood about obamacare changed within the last couple of months. is that so? what happened? >> i don't think there's any doubt about that. i can't agree with you more. used to sit at white house briefings and was stunned by operation so flawless during the campaign against hillary clinton
with message machine, obama machine didn't miss a beat. got to the white house and in terms of explaining and selling number one priority, they did a lousy job. we remember the total screwup when they launched the sign-up, whatever they called it, website at the time. democrats particularly obama administration didn't do good enough job but still people signing up in the state exchanges. one thing we all learned once people get a benefit like that and start depending on it and using it, see the value to their families, 22 million people, you can't take it away from them. that's why once it was under attack and looked like republicans were going to take it away and replace it -- >> voted for this president even. >> and leave them high and dry, they were saying whoa, wait a minute. take a different approach. i think undermined their
efforts. >> play something the president said today. >> so what would be really good with no democrat support if the democrats when it explodes, which it will soon, if they got together with us and get a real health care bill. i'd be totally open to that and i think it's going to happen. >> you're staunchest defender of this president and we have you on partly because of that. president now saying can't wait to get together and work with the democrats on a real bill to fix obamacare. are you looking forward to that? will republicans end up regretting not passing this bill? >> i got to tell you what a debacle, fiasco. president trump said in statement he's a team player. he got on a losing tem. paul ryan is a losing team.
gop fekless leadership is a losing team. president trump talks about winning, this is gang who can't shoot straight. 72 month consecutive losing streak. paul ryan loses everything he does. he sold his president down the primrose path. told him he would deliver the votes. he told the president that he had a plan they were working on for 72 months. they had nothing. a pile of garbage. this was a lousy bill. he sold it to the president. he said he could deliver it. he couldn't do it. you know what needs to be replaced? paul ryan needs to be replaced. >> amen to that. >> hold on, i thought we booked john fredericks, not -- >> feet to the fire. >> amen brother. >> jump in here. >> had enough of these people. just had enough. >> he's fed up jason. what do you say to him? he's the staunchest supporter of
the president. and republican supporter. what do you say to someone like john? >> i would say look i think the single biggest losers unfortunately today are the americans who will see premiums go skyrocketing again next year as well as have coverage plans go away. enough states as it is where you only have one plan. >> not to be rude but that's a talking point. >> that's a real thing. >> but. >> come on. >> it's very clear that people do not agree with what you're saying. would have been a higher -- more people would have wanted to repeal and replace obamacare. this new bill. they didn't like it. voters have spoken. >> malpractice that we didn't have a bill ready to go. full stop. absolutely no excuse for that. but the other group that i think
were the losers today, folks who were both this entire week in freedom caucus and tuesday group that went running down pennsylvania avenue to go talk to the president to help the bill and running back to the tv cameras to mug it and then ultimately walked away from it. work this much on the bill then get to the point and abandon it. no one should throw them high fives for failing to repeal and replace obamacare. but problem fundamentally, this wasn't the president's bill. as we look ahead, donald trump needs to be donald trump. >> doesn't the buck stop at white house with the man in charge? >> in my opinion i think the president was a little bit to trusting in this one, thinking that folks who supposedly had the plans ready to go were ready to go. >> you think he did enough to
sell it? >> i think he worked hard. talking about the tax plans, steve mnuchin and -- all these smart people working on that. >> i want to stick to health care. >> this is the third president in a row made the mistake thinking health care has got to be number one. bill clinton, barack obama, and donald trump. this is a complicated matter as he just discovered. and also trusting paul ryan to number one craft a bill he could sell and number two, get the votes. he couldn't do either one. but idea going to walk into tax reform as if it's going to be easy. for 30 years presidents promising tax reform and didn't work. and donald trump i'm sure didn't read the damn health care bill. not going to deliver tax reform
in that time. this is the problem with the presidency on every issue. >> respond. >> winning cures everything. get the win with neil gorsuch, economy going. tax -- >> could we stick with this? gorsuch was good but let's stick to this. bob, where was jared kushner? cnn is reporting he's upset with his son-in-law he wasn't there. son-in-law and senior adviser not around in this crucial week. should he have been there? >> big week but can't blame him because he wasn't around. from a big picture republican party is entering a new phase where paul ryan said today obamacare is the law of the land until they can pass a new bill. they're moving on after --
>> should he have been there. >> it was big week and according to reports trump was not pleased but would think trump would tell him, why don't you ski another week? >> if you're senior adviser, should you be away this week? >> he's a 70-year-old man. they have the white house, house, senate. the majority. it's amazing they couldn't get it done anyway. and ivanka trump and jared kushner are not saviors but enablers, they were never going to save health care. it was dead on arrival. quinnipiac poll showed only 17% of americans actually liked the bill. it was disastrous. 24 million people, cutting medicaid, maternity leave, infant leave, this was complete disaster. >> that will have to be the last word. thank you all. have a great weekend.
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the white house reeling tonight from historic failure on health care but russia may be an even bigger problem and it's not going away anytime soon. david rohde, juliet chiem, jason miller and steve hall. retired chief of cia russian operations. david start with you. dark russia cloud looming over the white house is reflection of president trump's inability to control his party and administration. explain that. >> really bad week. not as big as health care but for the committee leading the investigation, devin nunes, hearing on monday whereas disaster first, comey announcing active investigation and nunes announcing new information that sort of backed this wiretap
claim from trump but he backed off from it and privately saying nunes is mishandling it. >> you're there. take me behind it. >> it's all politics. democrats are trying to prolong the investigation. more it goes on, better for them. republicans are trying to shortern it. now nunes is postpoeng a hearing that was supposed to happen. another round. but spoke to one person, what are you looking at? your stories. >> on the intel committee? >> yes. these are democrats, concerned how far the republicans will take the investigations. democrats are minority. going better with cooperation in the senate than the house but it's tussle.
>> they're telling you to keep writing and republicans trying to make it go away. does devin nunes, he was roundly criticized by democrats and republicans. does he have any credibility? >> well -- >> i mean in washington among the intel. >> i don't know on the intel people. it's seen politically he's trying to cover this up. >> and schiff? >> schiff, again, we're so divided politically. schiff has won points among democrats who want this in the headlines. nunes not had a good week. >> devin nunes canceled this week's hearing. no longer hearing from james clapper, john brenn or sally yates. he still hasn't shown the information he says shows incidental collection of the president's communications.
what did you make of this move? >> it's been bizarre. he was claiming he had information that had to be briefed to the president immediately. held a couple of press conferences on wednesday. this week in the last three days embarked on a media blitz pushing information that in the end he backed off of today. last night he admitted on fox he had done what he had done to relieve political pressure that he thought was mounting on president trump, which is what thee the effort appeared to be. take-away is nunes is not committed to the investigation. would like to ob fuse kate it. if that's the case, allow someone else on the republican side of the committee to take the reins and move forward. ilyawn that ross leighton or
someone else. he's doing a disservice not allowing it to take place. >> i was surprised he called another press conference after he apologized. >> schiff is slamming nunes, saying it's more proof he's bias. >> one of the profound take-aways of the last couple of days is we really do need an independent commission here. the public at end of the day needs to have confidence that someone has done a thorough investigation, untainted by political considerations. >> steve, i know you agree with this. we've spoken. what do you think? >> don, there's no way at this point that this particular committee can go forward meaningfully. good news is we have hundreds of fbi people working on counterintelligence operation. there's a lot of politics but
that's the important piece. get the investigation right. i'll go one further, if you name another republican or democrat, however you wanted to restack thing, it's not going to change. politics baked into it. highest office in the country, presidency, questions about how the election went and whether or not there was foreign power involved. that's not something politicians inside the system who battle for presidency can resolve amongst themselves. you to have take have 9/11 style to take as much of the politics out of this. >> don -- >> wait first this interview on fox. >> for me it's clear i would be concerned if i was the president. that's why i wanted him to know. i felt i had a duty and obligation to tell him. as you know he's been taking a
lot of heat in the news media and to some degree i think there are things he has to look at as to whether or not things were properly collected or not. >> the white house and president are under investigation. why feel it's his duty to inform the subject of an investigation about information from the investigation? does that do more harm than good? >> didn't say the president under investigation. said name swept up. goes to issue of why we haven't seen the names. letters sent to the -- >> that's another subject and legitimate but talking about the -- nunes, why go to the president when the administration, james comey said that they're looking at possible
coordination between folks in the trump administration or the campaign, and his name is trump, that's his name. and -- with russia. >> but president himself isn't under investigation. that's not accurate at all. clearly chairman nunes saw something -- >> you see no conflict here? >> he's a very cautious guy. must have really seen something that disturbed him to go to the president. we weren't part of the conversation and don't know what was said. this whole issue of data collection, americans swept up into this back door surveillance issue, this is problematic. one thing that i'm most frustrated about, i wish we had info on monday when we had the hearings, maybe be a little bit more balanced. >> interesting.
juliette saying the move was a suicide bomb to destroy the investigation. what do you think? >> looks that way. whether his intention or not. nobody can look at this committee as formed as objective. i do agree i have more confidence in the senate and they have subpoena power. but this doesn't have to align around politics. 100 agents is a lot looking into this information. house will continue and unfortunately given what nunes did this week be difficult to take seriously. but there's another piece that came out today that nunes said that for me was the jaw dropper. he said now carter page, manafort and roger stone all agreeing to talk somewhere sometime to the committee. may seem interesting but not that much to me. won't be under oath. name not mentioned, mike flynn,
former national security adviser. it's starting to look like from my sources and open reporting that mike flynn is the one who may have a deal with the fbi and that's why we've not heard from him for some time. >> can i ask you -- >> if that is true -- >> finish your thought. >> there's four names and three willing to talk voluntarily. if that is true, someone high up in the team, not a mere volunteer and was national security adviser for some time whose dealings with turkey at one stage and of course with russia have come under suspicion. said before on the show with jason and others. there's a lot of dots. i'm not at collusion yet but scale of zero to ten, hard to be under six at this stage. >> can i ask you something?
heard can with the comey letter and democrats and hillary clinton. would say hillary clinton is not under investigation. jason is saying president is not under investigation. who is under investigation? is the president under investigation? >> i don't know where -- we've been told by the fbi -- >> no answer. >> let her answer. >> jason. we've been told by the fbi so far that the president isn't specifically under investigation but wait we have also been told by comey, what we know so far, not speculating or skpeeconspir theorist, that the investigation involves people related to the trump campaign, don't know who but heard some names and they're potential dealings with the russians leading up to the election and release of the
wikileaks and -- >> there's no evidence of any wrongdoing. >> you don't have to be at collusion. just as investigation unfolds over time, national security investigation, it takes time. people who didn't talk at some stage will later on. problem with what nunes is doing is, trying to get to the end before any of the investigators are there. that's all. not at collusion or saying trump go to jail -- >> you'll be first on the other side of the break. >> thank you. escape from monotony. together, we are perfectly balanced, our senses awake, our hearts racing as one. i know this is sudden, but they say: if you love something... set it free. see you around, giulia ♪ nobody does unlimited like t-mobile.
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all right. back now with my panel. i promised jason miller first word. you were disagreeing with something julette said. >> i think at certain point it's getti getting hysterical here. collusion when nothing has been put forward suggesting that anyone from the trump campaign or orbit was in any way colluding with foreign officials is dangerous talking about the presidency here. fact of the matter is know american names are being
unmasked, somehow general flynn's conversation, transcript leaked, confidential information put out. at certain point have to put out evidence -- >> only thing i have to say, wikileaks leaking about wiener, clinton, podesta, all i heard was lock her up. hnt haven't heard one democrat say lock him up. i hear investigate. i didn't hear anyone on the other side saying enough with the hillary clinton investigation. >> the difference, she had illegal secret server. >> nobody said it was illegal. >> her secret server was definitely illegal. >> it wasn't illegal. >> don, can i just jump in here? >> shouldn't have had it, bad
judgment but no one said she broke the law. >> there is fbi investigation into president trump's campaign that may or may not include him. fbi doesn't go investigating these types of things, they're short staffed, unless it really sees a need. fact there is a investigation means this is valid, valid concern may have been collusion. wouldn't just be happening for fun. i think when jason tries to dismiss this or other people from trump side try to dismiss it as nothing, doing a major disservice to the country. fbi sees reason to investigate collusion. that's what they're doing. that's a fact. want to address another thing. people talking about independent commission. got to realize that independent commission can only be established by law. president would have to sign that. or have to be veto prf
majorities in both chambers, house and senate. that isn't happening. more realistic scenario is specific select committee. would be better in the senate, could be joint, bicameral. but not going to get independent commission. highly unlikely. president never sign that into law. >> so steve if you listen to what evan is saying, i'm sure american people saying what good is all of this? what can come out? any recourse? is anyone exposed? >> two things don. first with regard to special commission or independent commission, there are indeed a lot of regulations and laws that would have to go into determining exactly what mechanism we would use. i'm little bit less concerned about specifically what mechanism it is but has to be as apolitical as possible. but back to something that jayce p was alluding to.
there was a lot of hue and cry, perhaps it was some sort of surveillance. fine. as part of an investigation i'm looking at what names came up and when were they unmasked. evan made an important point. the fbi was not doing this for fun. likewise when you are talking about surveillance and listening to electronic communications, that has to be done with a fisa warrant. if somebody was looking at a foreign power, probably russians involved in this and as names are unmasked, what we see is they were looking at americans probably and it appears to be someone associated with trump talking as part of this collection. when people say this was incidental collection and these names and everything, you have to understand when we were looking at the russians, other names were coming up and that's how the investigation continues. we need to see who the people are and what relationship they
had with the trump campaign. >> that's why we have to get this list from the fbi to find out who was getting swept up with this and if it's proven that there was surveillance of the president before the election, someone is in big trouble. >> there is no evidence of that. no one said that they were surveilling foreign agents which happens all the time and they were caught up in it. thank you. we'll be right back. when you have moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the unpredictability of a flare may weigh on your mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go, and how to work around your uc. that's how i thought it had to be.
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